I'm still waiting for the other 'karmic' shoe to drop, but farming and happy with the relatively consistent results. If my fear of having bad luck is belittling... ANYONE, then I apologize. I am merely sharing my results.
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06-01-2014, 03:53 PMDuuude007
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06-03-2014, 07:46 AMAxlle10Karma may have just dropped on me a little, so far 1 hour in and 2 atma stones. total of 8 now. my only issue is the 500 fate mark to make it 1/4 of the way there then get the 2/4 after just 200. who knows. maybe its somewhere in the code to increase your chances after doing so many fates. but it does seem like the karmic balance is finally taking effect and i could not hope for a better time *knocks on wood, throws salt over shoulder, puts ladder away in garage, and changes the 13 in all documents to SUNSHINE!*Quote:
Originally Posted by Duuude007
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06-03-2014, 08:11 AMAmyNeudaiz
It's funny - before doing Atma I was looking at all my friends log on less and less wondering how they could be so burnt out. I did all my roulettes almost every day, I farmed a lot of content, I spent time making money and playing around with glamours, I just generally played this game a lot.
Now post Atma I hardly have logged on and I barely even go in to even tend my plants. Great for the health of this game to do this to people with this stupid quest. -
06-03-2014, 08:37 AMDuuude007This statement befuddles me. You don't have to touch atma anymore, and yet you blame your disinterest in playing on... atma?Quote:
Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz
There's plenty other things to do, why focus so much disdain on such a small element of 2.2, particularly if you have surpassed it for your job?
And you are coming across as... what, an angel? I asked a simple question and you respond with an attack. Tell me, why do I remain patient with your continued attacks?Quote:
Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz
More hostility. Conveniently tied into a loaded question.Quote:
Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz
Can anyone be irritated with even benign posts? Yes. You have made that abundantly clear as both the recipient and the instigator. But that is neither here nor there.
I do believe that... No, I am certain that not only did I congratulate you on your 12, but I have on numerous occasions referred to "A reliable source having confirmed waiting 400 fates for only 1 atma". I have also provided plenty of advice on how people can make the situation less daunting.
Ignore, cherrypick, whatever you wish to do; The point is that I provide compelling data and even seriously consider and share data from those who remain hostile and abrasive with me day-in, day-out.
Hell, I have even offered ideas on how to boost atma without making it a pure handout, something you seem to want, but seem to have no interest in sharing realistic ideas toward. Tell me, If someone is offering ideas to alter game content in a way that benefits those complaining about said content, is that person still a... white knight? Your logic is truly dizzying.
Oh, I'm sorry, did you expect me to respond to every post from which you insulted me, or were you trying to make a different point?Quote:
Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz
And I do believe that I was quoting your use of the term "cherry picking. Oh, the irony.
Mhm. Oookay, I believe you.Quote:
Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz
you know what, I'm not taking your baiting to fight. If you want to further discredit me, when I have been patient with your attacks, even generous enough to credit you for your statistics- whatever. That is your perogative. Do what you gotta do. -
06-03-2014, 12:57 PMAmyNeudaiz
Cherry picks things to reply to and even admits to cherry picking numbers
Accuses others of cherry picking
Oh, insult you? I'm just making innocent observations and asking simple questions. :) -
06-03-2014, 01:04 PMA_Magical_Unicorn_Rider
Currently I sit at 31/36 atmas. I didn't even mean to start a third atma line, it just kinda happened while I was waiting for a friend to stop being afk for T1. Joined a random FATE and thought, "Hey, wouldn't it be funny if atma dropped on the fir-"
And so it dropped on the first FATE I decide to do. After that, I felt like I had to finish a third set. Approximately 1,300 FATEs later, I'm sitting with 7 atma on a third line in my inventory. And I'm glad to say I've given up on it. Already have my tank and DPS weapons, so it's no big deal for me.
If there were any ideas on how to improve atmas, I would have to suggest they actually be the books and not a random drop from FATEs. People are already complaining how long it takes for some of these book FATEs to appear (I never seem to have that problem), so why couldn't that be a nice solution to an existing problem since people don't want the relic upgrade quest to be RNG-heavy? Hell, even make the books cost 2k myth, if that's what it takes to balance the scales on "skill." -
06-03-2014, 09:07 PMBristolRuss
Only got my Zenith weapon yesterday and was dreading farming fates for Atma's after hearing all of the horror stories. But I got my first Atma from Bentbranch after about 30-45 minutes. Which was less time than I was expecting. I'm not on Southern Thanalan. No luck as yet, but I always enjoy doing that dancing zombie fate :D
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06-04-2014, 02:06 AMRueian
The real test is the Atma of Crab
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06-07-2014, 07:46 AMJo2nice23I agree with Kensatsu 100%.... Sh** ridiculous man sittin here all day fishin for nothing lol id rather join a DF and wipe Titan 52 times!!Quote:
Originally Posted by kensatsu
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06-07-2014, 01:16 PMTheodan
Just curious to know how and it what method many of you farm for your atma's.
Do you actually stay and do fates in just one area at a time to get an atma before moving on to the next one?
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Do you just do a few, take a break, go back to the same area or do a different area?
TBH when I first got to the stage of doing my atma's I was dreading it (especially since I hate fates anyway), and when I first tried it I stayed in one area for 4 days (in total) trying for my first atma with no luck.....
At that point I said FK this and took few days break and did other stuff like crafting.... then I said to myself, there must be a better way to get through this atma nightmare....
I then tried just hammering away at fates for no more than 30 mins at a time in any one area and then move on to the next area in hope that not only would it be a change of scenery but improve my luck.
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06-07-2014, 01:17 PMTheodan
Needless to say this seemed to have worked for me (and other friends who now do the same). Now it has it's ups and downs and yes it costs gill to warp every 30 mins, but then again I can now say that I have collected all my atma and I'm now on my 7th set and the atma grind is not that bad.
I would like to know if others have tried different tactics and what results they have had with them. :D
FYI, I don't follow any zone rotation, I just pick a zone kill fates for 30 mins or less and move on, and I only spend no more than 4/5hrs a day (if that) on atma farming.
I feel sad for those who are still working on their first set, but surely there is a way to improve anyones and everyones chances... maybe I can pass a little luck on :D -
06-07-2014, 01:33 PMAmyNeudaiz
That's just confirmation bias. There's no "method" to obtain Atma better. It's a flat chance.
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06-09-2014, 11:02 AMHooliganhero
I tried these methods thus far:
1) Farmed atma in North Shroud for about 15 hours over a week and a half before atma dropped.
2) Decided to switch zones every hour and after a total of 10 hours over 3 days got second atma.
3) Changed it up and followed the Japanese theory switching zones every hour according to the theory and after 8 hours on one long Saturday I got my third.
4) That was two weeks ago, and countless hours later I have not received my fourth atma.
At this point I decided I'm done with this game. I loved how this game was and I had high hopes. If atma is any indication of the direction this game is going than I cannot abide paying for such a time trap. So long SE. Off to ESO. I'm hoping they don't have the same kind of crap going on. -
06-09-2014, 11:24 AMAmyNeudaiz
Another player quits because of Atma. Good job S.E.
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06-09-2014, 04:15 PMEntheogenI too will be unsubing if this Atma grind is not changed, I've simply started running out of things to do and this is a RNG timesink worse then my desire to obtain all the EX mounts, I almost have every single minon, everything I have is 50 with a zenith or better,(6/9 leviathan? weapons not counting shields,) literally almost every single drop from T1-5. missing 3 pieces from T4, and healer pants, Tank helm, ( I believe I'm also 6/9 on allagan weapons.) I have every single craft at 50...which prior to the mastery books could make 2 star anything. I beta Tested the original 1.0 and I want this game to succeed so so badly.Quote:
Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz
(The only reason I haven't gotten obsessed with T6-9 is all the decent statics have already formed on my server.)
and it's not like I'm even doing that bad on the atma farm 5/12 with 3 spare atma of the crab, just going towards that 6th atma it's been atleast 40+ hours of seeing nothing now add in an additional 15min or so of atma grinding.
I'd played FFXI for many many years, and while this is bringing the grind back to relic weapons, the relic weapons in the game don't feel the same level of reward for the effort,
so hopefully something at E3 reveals something of interest otherwise I'm just done :/ -
06-09-2014, 09:38 PMMilesSaintboroguh
May as well unsub now because Square already said they have no immediate plans to boost Atma drop rates.
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06-10-2014, 09:43 AMHooliganhero
I too played FFXI for a long time. Battling the gods for 2 hours with my entire linkshell was pretty epic, and competing with other linkshells for HNMs like Behemoth or Nidhogg was fun as well. But the gear was also epic. SAM AF2 was awesome and well worth the time. Artemis Atma/Animus/Novus, not so much.
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06-10-2014, 09:46 AMriktirresponse to player
the thing is i love how when the atam thing started se said they would listen to the players more and that they'll make games fun... lies all lies what since march they didn't do anything and the soonest we can hope they will change the way atamas are dropped is after 2.3 patch so ya grind'ohoy ppl, and if ppl say "no its ok", i bet a sheep's uncle and a fat pig that they already have their atama weapon, well guess what? good for you. ppl are playing money to have fun in a final fantasy world .. and grinding like its a f2p mmo is not fun, and before you say you think this is hard , i don't, i think its not fun, i think is mind boggling boring and ridculously time consuming. to say so you want everthing handed to you, no i want a final fantasy adventure to get my atama weapon thats what i want , if you say well ff11 was long and hard well we're not in ff11 first off ff11 was a menu based game, slow paced compared to ff14
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06-10-2014, 09:47 AMriktir
, i played a while and left it becuase of it's pace. you say , you don't have to get it? the atma grind is for ppl that can't find groups to run raid what do you think it was made for? a raid group? no a casual player to get a high lvl weapon , guess what you have to get it to be on par with the raiders to at least try and raid with them unless you be ostrised by the raiding party and before you say oh well get into an fc, now thats where you don't ahve to get a fc. this is my view on this atama fiasco what SE did , they were doing so well too. you wanted to stop ppl from progressing then lengthen the time between patches , cuz thats what it really is about SE couldn't keep up and had to slow down the hungry grubbing content eaters.
GOOD DAY YOU MUNCHKINS GO HAVE SOME PIE, AND HAIL MOFO'IN HYDRA!!!
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06-10-2014, 10:53 AMDarkLordCthulhu
A better idea would've been to make the ATMA drop at the end of the leveling dungeons. That would've made the grind less boring and all the level 50s would actually be helping the lower level players progress. Instead of having gear/weapons drop at the boss, if you have your Relic Zenith equipped you have a chance at the ATMA drop. If they were going to recycle content those lower level dungeons would've been better than FATEs. I know theres low level roulette. But I think we are all tired of getting Haukke Manor on roulette. Or am I the only that happens to?
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06-11-2014, 03:30 AMMaero
Or maybe even make it that atma drops are from enemy/boss Solo players fights. Would be alot more fair then it is now.
Some of us still put in countless hours to get atma while someone can get their full weapon in a day, such a bad design.
Really new content being introduced does not need to always be in fates, be a little more creative SE is all i am saying -
06-11-2014, 08:05 PMGamma621
The amount of people defending this atma system amazes me. Are you seriously saying that 10 hours of grinding for 1 of a 12-piece set to drop is acceptable?
You realize that people have jobs, families, and responsibilities right? Some of us don't have the luxury of playing for 14 hours every day like you. We're lucky to get in 2-3 hours a day. That means that farming a single atma piece can take 3-4 days of NOTHING but FATE grinding. Multiply that by twelve pieces, that's over a month and a half of NOTHING but FATE grinding to get a single weapon. Sounds like so much fun. But then again, games aren't supposed to be fun right? Nope, games are supposed to be about work right? People like you are the reason the game industry sucks today.
Also good thing this game isn't built around using multiple jobs requiring multiple weapons....oh wait. Anybody who mains more than one job, like me, is completely screwed. Just to get a weapon for 1 Healer, 1 DPS, and 1 Tank job could potentially take me until the end of this year.
And this is only the 3rd tier of a 5+ tier weapon that could potentially become one of the most powerful in the game. (Which they basically confirmed at the E3 conference today.)
I'm sorry, but this has nothing to do with skill, or dedication, or some test of will. This is a RANDOM system, that serves as nothing more than a time sink, and a way to keep money flowing in. People claiming they have 80+ atma pieces (without providing any proof and then fabricating statistics to make themselves feel special) need to rethink their life and what they're doing with it. -
06-12-2014, 08:21 AMdthmchnekYes. Its just a videogame, take it with a grain of salt...Quote:
Originally Posted by Gamma621
Yes as do I, but the ones who make it seem like its a "job" are the ones who complain about it... Why? You made the decision to play the game and you can easily make the decision not to if it doesn't meet your expectations... Do you think you should have every say in a game's development because you spend your worthless piece of graphic paper or internet imaginary money on it? If you are upset about this then you make it seem like you do not know what you want and made a bad decision... That is the "problem" with the game industry... These folks are putting so much work, art and design and you still have to pay only 60 dollars and a 12 dollar sub fee... Its always been like this, and it needs to be much more than what it used to be now. Pretty much the industry needs to die because people do not appreciate it anymore and complain instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gamma621
You can use your Pseudo-opinions on what the game should and should not be... Its still a personal problem you and most of these folks are having... Again its just a video game not a second job like you are actually making it out to be, take it with a grain of salt and move on.Quote:
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06-12-2014, 10:16 AMGamma621Yes, it is a video game. Which by definition means it should be fun. Atma farming is not fun in any sense of the word.Quote:
Originally Posted by dthmchnek
Actually, I can't make the decision not to play since I've already paid my 180-day subscription. A subscription I renewed pretty much right before they implemented Atma farming, back when I was still happy with the game. So I've already paid for at least a few more months. And yes, grinding for 120+ hours for one weapon is a job. A job that we are paying them to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by dthmchnek
Um, yes. They are a business, we are paying consumers. If a majority of the paying consumers are unhappy with a specific part of the service, Square Enix, as a business, is obligated to change it or risk losing said consumers. (Which, if you read these forums, is already happening.) This is how business works. Telling displeased customers to just "Deal with it," is a great way to make this game fail, just like the original version failed.Quote:
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lolwat? Are you seriously saying that we should just accept every game as it is and never complain because it's art? How much of a sheep are you? That kind of thinking is what perpetuates the hundreds of mediocre games we constantly get year after year. So thank you for being the perfect example of what's wrong the game industry today.Quote:
Originally Posted by dthmchnek
Again, key word you said there is "most." Meaning the majority of players are unhappy with this feature. So since you are the minority here, why don't you go play a different MMO with boring, time sink features, and let us have the game we've been enjoying since it was first released.Quote:
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06-12-2014, 10:34 AMDuuude007I'm so sorry that you have everything you can earn from Moogle, Leviathan, SCOB, and this is all you have to look forward to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gamma621
Oh, wait, you haven't?
But I digress...
Me, I like it. And many others have expressed this shared agreement. Sure, some stuff I do not consider fun, but others do. I simply do other stuff and remain content.
Also: If you have something on paper that confirms "majority" or "most" for people who dislike it, fantastic. How about you share it with us. -
06-12-2014, 11:44 AMdthmchnekThat is a personal problem...Quote:
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Bad decision, not anyone else's fault.Quote:
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These forums do not show proof of the majority...Quote:
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Your personal Preference in what a videogame is... Your Personal Preference... This is not a government conspiracy, or a real world problem like your making it out to be, Why am I sheep? I do not understand your logic on this subject...Quote:
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Unless you can pull figures somewhere else, then I will disagree with you.Quote:
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06-12-2014, 11:46 AMGamma621It's funny that you ask for something on paper, when everything you've been preaching about atma drop rates has all been based on heresay and promises. Show me proof that you have 80+ atmas. Show me proof of exactly how many FATEs it took you to get those Atmas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duuude007
How is that a personal problem? If a game isn't fun, then it's work, which you keep claiming atma farming is not. So just keep throwing random phrases at me instead of actually posing an argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by dthmchnek
No it wasn't a bad decision. I'm still going to play this game, because I still enjoy everything else about this game. I'm not quitting over this, I'm just trying to point out how stupid and blind you are for defending it, and how stupid Square Enix would be for not changing it.Quote:
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Nope, but they help indicate how the community feels about issues like this, and is one of the few good outlets for people to express their concerns.Quote:
Originally Posted by dthmchnek
I never said it was a government conspiracy. It's the downward spiral of the game industry, which I happen to care about, and which you are perpetuating. It's funny how you claim to care about this game, and that it is such a piece of art that it should be appreciated, yet you just blindly follow (Like a sheep since you can't pick up on the analogy) and tell Square Enix that everything is perfect. However, people like me and the others voicing their concerns, are actually attempting to help Square Enix improve their game and keep players coming back. So keep saying that it's fine until Square Enix ruins this game just like they ruined the last one, and nobody is playing anymore. Hope you enjoy farming your atmas on an empty server.Quote:
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Unless you can pull figures, then I disagree with you too. You guys are demanding a lot of evidence yet giving none yourself.Quote:
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06-12-2014, 01:01 PMdthmchnekIts a personal problem because what you find fun and not fun is friggin personal...Quote:
Originally Posted by Gamma621
So I am blind because I do not think there is a problem with it, and you are the saving grace of square enix because you dislike it and want it to change. Its also cool to call the game you love so much "stupid".Quote:
Originally Posted by Gamma621
True. Ofcourse you aren't going to see the people who do like it or do not mind it come on the forums though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gamma621
I never said you said it was a government conspiracy I was just trying to make an analogy to what scale you are trying to make this bit of content in the game be. I also never said that I cared about this game, say that is was "such" a piece of art, and tell Square Enix that everything is perfect... You think the fall of the industry is people making games that you, I say this again... personally dont like, and I am a sheep because I appreciate the work put into a game..., the story, the gameplay, the... whatever... I am beginning to not understand what you are saying any more... ofcourse I got the dumb analogy thats why I gave my analogy about the real world problem and government... never mind... just... I am not fluent in jack ass.Quote:
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06-12-2014, 03:43 PMGamma621Atma farming is hours upon hours of running between FATEs, requiring no thought whatsoever. However, looking at your replies, I can see why you would find it fun to not use your brain for an extended period of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by dthmchnek
Giving constructive criticism in an attempt to improve the game =/= acknowledging myself as the saving grace of Square Enix. Also never once did I call this game stupid. I called the atma feature stupid, and I called Square Enix stupid for implementing it. Which, given their recent track record, is a valid statement.Quote:
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Except you apparently.Quote:
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People are quitting over this. That kind of makes it a big deal.Quote:
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Wanna try that again? Complaining about people who don't appreciate a game sounds like you do, in fact, care about it. And your entire argument is based around telling Square Enix that everything is perfect, since you're determined to defend this broken system.Quote:
Originally Posted by dthmchnek
No, you're a sheep because you want everyone to appreciate work, even when the work is bad. That's the definition of a fanboy. Blindly liking anything put out by Square Enix just because of who they are. If they put out a game, or a feature in a game that is disliked, they should be called out on it. Not just given a pass so they can keep repeating the mistake.Quote:
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It's sad watching you try and backpedal to save yourself from looking stupid.Quote:
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Considering the way you type, it doesn't sound like you're fluent in anything. And through all of your pointless rambling, you've yet to give a single example of why this Atma system is good, and should be kept. All you've said so far is "Deal with it."Quote:
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06-12-2014, 04:56 PMDuuude007What preaching, what hearsay, what promises? In what context?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gamma621
Fine, I'll answer your demands first, as an act of good faith that you will respond in kind.
Demonstrating my Atma count is simple.
http://i.imgur.com/psFMMvX.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/gQUH2bO.jpg
12- Curtana Animus, Holy Shield Animus
24- Thyrus Atma
36- Omnilex Atma
48- Veil of Wiyu Atma
60 - Undeclared set
72 - Undeclared set #2
84 - Undeclared set #3
91 - Undeclared partial set (7/12)
As for How many fates I have done, I have already achieved 3000 fates achievement, as seen in lodestone. So my persistence is neither applicable nor relevant.
In contrast, you have left your profile achievements hidden to hide what you have truly done in FFXIV, but no matter.
So! I shared with you what evidence I have And I feel that my response was quite thorough. Are you prepared yet to share your evidence about said majority of players?
Hint: No forum posts thus far have what you are looking for, as it is not truly representative of the FFXIV playerbase. Merely the most vocal. -
06-12-2014, 08:02 PMGamma621Asking me for data and then forbidding me from using the only data I have available...that's very convenient for you. Regardless, I'm not going to wade through the entire internet and tally up every negative forum post that I can find about atma farming, just to have you dismiss it anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duuude007
Also accusing me of hiding my achievements, when the fact is I never bothered to set up my Lodestone profile in the first place. I have now opened my achievements to the public, so go ahead and dig through them to your heart's content and see exactly what I've been hiding.
Thank you for providing evidence of your acquired atma stones, but yet still brushing off my request for evidence of how long it took you to obtain them. Now, in an attempt to be as thorough as you think your response of 2 pictures and accusations was, I will try to extrapolate my own evidence based on what little data I have to work with.
I took the liberty of looking over your Lodestone profile after you mentioned it, and as you said, you unlocked the "Successfully complete 3,000 FATEs" achievement on 05/19/2014. You also unlocked the "Successfully complete 1,000 FATEs" achievement on 04/26/2014. Since it does not tell me at what time of day these achievements were unlocked, this could be between 22 and 24 days to complete 2,000 FATEs. (I will use 23 days as an average.)
2,000 FATEs/23 days=86.956522 FATEs per day (I will round to 87 to make the math easier.)
Now, depending on the size of the map, Type of FATE, transit time, and respawn timers of the FATEs, let's say you could successfully complete a FATE every 5 minutes. That means you would be able to complete 12 FATEs every hour. It would take you approximately 7.25 hours of FATE grinding every day to achieve this. Not allowing for any breaks during the farming session of course.
Between your latest achievement on 05/19/2014, and present day, (~24 days) you could have easily done another 2,000 FATEs, if not more, since you clearly have been farming atmas.
Also the time between your achievement on 04/26/2014, and the day atma was released, you completed anywhere between 1, or 700 FATEs since your "Successfully complete 300 FATEs" achievement was completed prior to release of atma. So I will again have to take the average of 350 FATEs for those days.
Estimated 4,350 FATEs/91 atma=average of 47.8021 FATEs/per atma drop
This equates to 3.98 hours of farming, again assuming 1 FATE is completed every 5 minutes, and no breaks are taken. (And I think I'm being pretty generous with the 5 minutes.)
It has been approximately 77 days since atma was integrated. Let's take the time required to obtain all of your atmas, and spread them evenly over those days.
91 atma/77 days=1.1818 atma/day multiplied by 3.98 hours/atma=4.7 hours per day of farming.
Think about this number for a second. A person would have to spend an average of 4.7 hours farming FATEs EVERY DAY SINCE RELEASE and still would not have a complete weapon set.
Now let's look at your case. Considering you barely farmed FATEs at all for the entire first month, this means you farmed OVER 7 HOURS EVERY SINGLE DAY to get where you are right now, and you're still not even done. And this does not even include the absurd amount of myths tomes required after getting every atma, which will also need to be farmed.
Furthermore, this data only applies to you since the RNG makes all of it not applicable for every other player on the game. So tell me again how, in the best case scenario, farming for 5 hours every day for over 3 months to get every weapon is an acceptable system.
In conclusion, the only thing we've proven here today is that you clearly have no life, and only farm atma so you can brag about having the most and feel like you accomplished something, when you've really accomplished nothing.
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06-12-2014, 09:50 PMdthmchnekQuote:
Originally Posted by Gamma621
Okay... let me try this again, These(as in every developer out there including Square Enix, yes) are putting so much work(The amount of people that they need to hire and the teams put together incredibly outweighs what they needed in the past), art(The equipment needed to make the art, the computer hardware needed to produce the level design, character design, etc.) design(The planning, meetings on how things will work, how much crap they do scrap because they dont think its a good idea). It needs to cost more because of those reasons, I think. And people lose their crap when something doesn't go their way when its just a video game, and complain about it. I despise FFXIII, but others do enjoy the hell out of it, Do I go around belittling them because they like something that I do not like? Nope...Quote:
Originally Posted by Gamma621
I never said the system was good and fun, I just do not have a problem with it.
I never said to "deal with it", but I am saying that you are just making this game out to be about "Work" because your complaining about it and you think you "have" to do atma farming, like SE is forcing you to do it.
I have expressed no fanboyism here... you are just making me out to be one because i just don't have a problem with the atma system... which is blasphemy, I get it... I will agree to disagree. -
06-13-2014, 01:53 AMDarkLordCthulhu
The players that defend the current state of obtaining atmas are the ones that got lucky and found them in a reasonable amount of time. Theyre going to respond with "QQ and put in the time if you want your atma." Thats the issue tho. Most of us have put in the time, some even more time than those who already finished that part of the quest, and have nothing to show for it. You cant just say "put in the time" cause there is NO GUARANTEE that even if you put in the time you will get the atmas. How is it okay for someone to find 12 atma pieces in say 400 FATE while others are at 800+ and yet to even be half way done with the quest? Explain to me how this is type of system is ok.
And dont tell me well theres other weapons you could get. Yes there is, but the relic/zodiac weapon updates are going to keep coming. A large majority of the community is paying for content (Animus/Novus) that SE is keeping us from enjoying by implementing a stupid RNG element to the atma stage.
No i dont want the relic upgrade to be handed to me. No I dont mind a grind. I want to work for my upgrade. Yesterday I FATE grinded for 4 hours after my daily roulette and have nothing to show for it. While a PLD that join my FATE party received his atma after 15 minutes of joining. How is something like that ok?
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06-13-2014, 02:46 AMDuuude007You or I could have farmed 1, maybe even 2 Atma, in the time it took you to formulate this argument. Well done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gamma621
Its like this:
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in 2000 fates, you have this many Atma (grabs 65 straws) So, to get this many more, (grabs 26 more straws) and put them together...
Yeah, it seems I am grasping at a lot of straws here.
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06-13-2014, 05:19 AMGamma621Duke Nukem Forever must be your favorite game of all time, cause they spent 15 years of work on that, and look how great that game is.Quote:
Originally Posted by dthmchnek
No Man's Sky was created by a team of less than 10 people, and it already looks better than most big budget, mainstream developer games. So tell me again how you need so many people and a huge budget to make a game worth appreciating.
You're belittling people right now for not liking the atma system.Quote:
Originally Posted by dthmchnek
And the backpedaling continues. Maybe I can get you to actually admit that you don't like the atma system if I go long enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by dthmchnek
The very fact that you feel the need the defend a system that you claim not to like just screams fanboy. There's literally no other reason for you to be responding in these threads otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by dthmchnek
Oh look! You dismissed my data because you have no argument for it, just like I knew you would. And it took me less than 30 minutes to look through your achievement list and do some basic math. I could have done that 7 more times before getting a single atma. (Actually more like 17 more times since I've already farmed for 9 hours without a drop.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Duuude007
You asked me for data, I gave it. I even used your own personal experience as an example. Yet you still have no response disproving my numbers, in fact you've basically confirmed them by not even denying how much you time you spent farming.
So I thank you in your assistance in proving how broken this system is. -
06-13-2014, 10:48 AMTeuciont
Not challenging, not fun. No way to circumvent RNG like you could with Hamlet in 1.0. Relic was the perfect chanced to give people something to do with their FC outside of four weekly locked boss fights. No one in my FC wants to even do Atma, which is a real shame because Animus is a great chance to allow for some off hours content and FC bonding on a smaller scale.
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06-13-2014, 02:21 PMDuuude007I know you did. This is why my response was not grateful, because it wasn't even what I had asked for, far from it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gamma621
And so, said "majority" claims remain a claim of yours, hearsay if you will, without sufficient supporting data.
You know, the one thing I requested in the first place. -
06-13-2014, 03:27 PMGamma621Then why shouldn't I ask you for data to the contrary? Give me proof that the majority DOES approve of atma farming? You are making these claims just as I am. We both know that it is a ridiculous request that neither of us could complete, and you're just using it as a stall tactic because you have no argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duuude007
And you still have not even answered MY original question, how many FATEs it required to gain 91 atma. It should not be a hard question, I figured it out for you in less than 30 minutes. And you still refuse to answer because you don't want people to know how many hours you've actually wasted on this feature.
And I still have not heard one valid example as to why this atma system is good, and should be kept. All I've heard from the defenders is to stop complaining, without a single reason why we should. -
06-13-2014, 03:51 PMCynfael
The Atma system is poorly implemented as it stands. The very low drop rate makes it an RNG nightmare for some players.
As an example, I got 12 Atmas in about 700 FATEs. My friend has now completed nearly 900 FATEs and has been stuck at 7 Atmas since FATE #400 or so. It's tremendously bad luck, but there should be a sort of failsafe or alternative system that helps curtail outliers like that. If you've done 900 FATEs trying just to get your Zodiac weapon to the point where you can begin working on the 9 books for Animus, you probably deserve to be able to move on.
The developers are clearly concerned about antagonizing players who recently completed this step, so they won't change it yet, but you can see that they are learning from their mistake with Alexandrite. You can farm FATEs for it, but you can also acquire it in other ways, so you aren't 100% at the mercy of RNG. -
06-14-2014, 01:57 AMDuuude007I never said I had an argument inferring that the majority of players support OR protest it. To make such a claim would be both dishonest, and unrealistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gamma621
I am merely glad that you finally came around to admitting that to the rest of us, so we can move on.
Oh, and thanks again for further deflection tactics.
Feel free to continue complaining. Frankly its white noise to most supporters, and I couldn't care less. That said, don't be so shocked if supporters decide to fact check lofty claims. Just as you have been attempting to do.
Anyways, as to your other 'farming atmas has no benefit' claim, for one simple example, several people have previously pointed out how much more alive zones are with people actively darting from fate to fate, which also benefits xp grinders at nearly every level, with more people to down xp- & seal-rich fates, in less time.