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Deny it all you want, this is what is being requested. If you completely suck and put forth no effort, you don't deserve to win. That sounds harsh but I'm sorry, a BLM (as an example) who is decked out in full i100 gear and yet still starts his dps rotation with 3 fire 1s instead of fire 3, does not deserve to be handed a T5 win.
You want older content to be easier, SE should add in job quests that actually require people to learn their job, instead of making it a face roll to 50 and then expecting them to not suck. Having said that, every job out there has countless forum discussions with number crunching and explanations on how to play them well. If you can't be bothered to learn, even after someone else has made a guide for you, you're not trying.
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07-30-2014, 07:39 PMIamBenpi
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07-30-2014, 08:12 PMAlexander_DragonfangIf you think that all that is what being asked for. Then you are not reading and sadly, you don`t want to do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamBenpi
Difficulty of high end content is way too high for casual players. And said difficulty added to the weekly lockouts doesn`t allow them to even "practice". So is really hard for them to even get close to beat the first coil, not to even talk about other walls like titan EX. Even titan HM is a challenge for parties of +i90 if they get together via DF.
There need to exist an instance that allows players to prepare better for said content, and quest won`t do it. For example, an easier (high echo + stat reduced enemies) version of Coils without any drops. Just for practice. So players learn the mechanics properly, can train themselves properly, can use their time properly and then they can move on to the real thing to get their gear progression.
You make content easier and more accesible to casual players? Yes.
You handed something to them in any way as you described? No. -
07-30-2014, 08:25 PMUrielparadox
the echo buff never makes a fight harder, it just means you have to adjust your strategy. However what mechanics do you find "too challanging" for the casual gamer? divebombs, and preovergeared/echo buff conflags, but not now conflags are a joke, twisters have always been a joke(been hit 1 time by twisters ever and i'm a blm so yeah). all it requires you to do is react, now reaction is usually the problem, and unfortunately the natural lag that exist for ps3 users and low end pc users can give you less time to react and dodge
wrong on so many levels. A fully geared group on levi b4 echo can skip every dive that isn't 100% required, this means you are actually skipping the entire challenging mechanic of the fight. Add in 25% echo and the fight gets even more easy so why you think a fully geared group would wipe enough to build a 25% echo Idk, but it does in fact make the fight a million times easier. also levi fight is 100% broadcasted if your getting knocked off repeatedly then stop playing while under the influence. I mean honestly levi is a joke, and easily the easiest ex primal fight second to ifrit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eclipsed
twintania, you can only get 1 get messed up phase, not phases. The 1 bad phase you can get is pushing divebombs while a conflag is up, that's it. If you think you can mess up multiple phases then you don;t know enough about the fight and that is why you are failing. unless for some reason dps are attacking twintania while a conflag is up. which means your dps, don't know how to dps. if your dps is high enough to mess up conflag timing it's more then high enough to kill every conflag without cd's even if they area all fast conflags, been there and done that. -
07-30-2014, 08:39 PMNJAAt the risk of repeating what has already been said by many others - simply no.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang
I'm a casual player, by which I mean I play for 5-6 hours per week. Does that make me a bad player? No, it does not. It DOES mean that I progress through content slower. I was irked by the fact that Demon Wall was nerfed just before I got to play AK as I was looking forward to some more challenging content. The same will be true of BCOB and future content.
This thread seems to suggest that casual players are getting stuck on content because they're worse players - we are not, we simply take longer to play through it. The suggestion that 'casuals need a practice mode' is somewhat insulting. Is DF full of inexperienced players? No, it's a mixture of inexperienced players and experience roulette players. Keep it up and check guides, you'll get better and eventually get a good group (or FC). -
07-30-2014, 08:42 PMDefterosthey are called HIGH end contents for a reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang
they are just not suited for casual players.
High end contents are for people who decide to spend their time playing these contents, learning mechanics,practicing.
you won't pass anything if your mentality is "yes, I want to pass T5 but I can try it only a few times a week because I need to farm soldiery to gear up my 6° class"
that's not how end-game contents works.
I am a casual player myself, i spend most of the time farming dungeons for glamour, leveling up DoL/DoH classes and other jobs.
I don't have time, and most importantly, I don't want to do end game content.
when I wanted to do primals Extreme, I spent my days doing Garuda EX till i cleared it.
I spent weeks on titan EX trying to learn mechanics, learning how to work my rotation at best with the continuous "dodge this" "dodge that".
eventually, i got tired, and resumed my casual play without clearing it. -
07-30-2014, 08:43 PMDefteros
the point is.
what do you need a "nefted lootless coil" for.
yes, you clear the easy mode, do you really think that makes you capable of clearing the "normal" mode?
if you can't dodge divebombs in T5, you will never clear that. if you can't dodge plumes in titan ex, you will never clear that ( and you have 2 "easymode" titan, too!)
easy mode or not.
nobody will do a lootless content, if you want to practice, might as well do the real thing, if by some miracles, or the party skills, you clear it, you get the loot too. -
07-30-2014, 08:48 PMdejavutwoI've been seeing stuff like that a lot too. The other problem with players over-value the difference gear makes is that they often do not get any better until they max out their gear because "I just need better gear" is always used to excuse mistakes, preventing the player from taking a critical look at what they did and what they could have done better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall
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07-30-2014, 08:59 PMMeiUshuever considered that what you think you know may not exactly what the reality is ? ever considered that what you see on your screen, may not be what others see on their screen ? ever thought that this game is open to all and not just to an *elite* ? and that before being an *elite* you need to go through mistakes errors and trials PROVIDED stuff out of yourhands doesnt occur ? you have ? good then why are we having this conversation ? right ?Quote:
Originally Posted by dejavutwo
This to say that some players are prone to insult bash and the rest other players based on their experience, gears arent all, same as buff is not all, but if you max out gears and have buff (though here I am not totally ina greement) it does help to finish a given thing right ? How many players have I heard bash other players becasue they didnt have their gears maxed out, gears that were only obtainable in the dungeon where they were ? too many in my opinion
What does it matter to those that claim this or that dungeon is easy that some tiny minor adjustmetns are made in order to make it so that others having difficulties, no matter what the difficulties is, can actually enjoy the game ? no difference, was easy before changes is still the same easy after changes...I think people are just plain selfish and only consider their little person rather then the big picture and more importantly, that the average player is the major constitunat of the player base and not the *elite* ....which SE has very well understood, otherwise changes like echo wouldnt have occured.
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07-30-2014, 09:18 PMDefterosyou can't compare dungeons to high endgame contents.Quote:
Originally Posted by MeiUshu
you have plenty of time, with dungeons, story, quest, and whatever, to learn how to play efficiently your job.
if by the time you get to EXprimals/coils, you still haven't learned how to play your job, you won't be able to do anything.
yes, mistakes happens to people. everyone screw up is rotation sometimes, fail to dodge an aoe, you get distracted by a flying pig.
human beings aren't perfect.
but if you continue to repeat every time the same mistake then the problem is, you don't know how to play your class.
and THAT is a problem.
and doesn't deserve a nerf on endgame contents.
DUH, gurl.Quote:
only consider their little person rather then the big picture
we are talking about people. human beings. not gods.
everyone thinks for themself. even you.
we just adapt to other people, because we need to stick to a party, to play.
"think of the greater picture", what are we, predicators? -
07-30-2014, 09:20 PMmicropanther7Well yes, gear can only carry you so far, having some measure of skill is necessary. As Mei already said, you can't make assumptions and sweeping generalisations about every single player, which I see a lot of people doing on these forums. In fact, it hardly ever seems to happen in-game, just here :/ How do you know that they aren't going to go away and try to improve on their skills and do better? Why can't some people get that others take longer to learn things and just need more practice? Is it the age or something? Older people just seem to be more patient and tolerant overall? I know that's not true though :) Just feels like a load of kids screaming "hurry up, hurry up, do it right or you CAN'T PLAY cos you SUCK!" whilst throwing their toys at you.Quote:
Originally Posted by dejavutwo