Lack of End Game Content

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Originally Posted by Ibkee

Isn't this exactly what Ultimate is? Challenging content? A high skill cap? Post-MSQ hard progression? What am I missing here?

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To be fair, I wager most people asking for more end game content aren't referring to bleed edge difficult fights like Ultimate. They want harder dungeons, more raid bosses or even a more fleshed out Eureka. Basically, stuff they can do at max level that isn't entirely brain dead.

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Originally Posted by Xieldras

I don't know, maybe Devs should stop spending that limited time and those limited resources on content everyone hates (Diadem 3.0)?

*Edit before I get shredded for it. I applaud the Devs trying to make new stuff, but no one likes FATEs and they know it. So why would they keep making that type of content?

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You mean you and other people with similar opinions on that content. There are those who enjoyed content like FATES, Diadem and Eureka, including myself. We aren't just very vocal about stating our enjoyment.

I would be ok with removing some resources from content development I like if I know that there would be a sufficient, consistent population doing the content that the sacrificed happened for. If gutting Diadem/Eureka happened so that there could be more raid type content, but there isn't an increase and consistent populating doing those raids, then I would feel that the sacrifice was not worth it.

If there would be anything that I wouldn't mind seeing cut are dungeons. In my opinion, we have enough dungeons. There are dungeons that I don't even get in DR... I have to choose those dungeons manually if I want to run them. I wouldn't mind losing dungeon development for raid development. Of course, the rule still stands: the sacrifice has to produce a sufficient and consistent population.

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Originally Posted by Xieldras

I don't know, maybe Devs should stop spending that limited time and those limited resources on content everyone hates (Diadem 3.0)?

*Edit before I get shredded for it. I applaud the Devs trying to make new stuff, but no one likes FATEs and they know it. So why would they keep making that type of content?

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You people keep throwing the words "Everyone" "Large majority" "no one" and others around. Meanwhile I saw Eureka instances constantly full of people who seemingly were hating every single instant of their lives being there.

Maybe, just maybe, the vocal part who constantly moans about lack of content or endgame is actually not such a huge part of the playerbase. Maybe they have data that support the decisions they make to spend their resources.

Or maybe they are just stupid and want their game to fail by not delivering what a massive percentage of the playerbase is asking for.

All I am reading in many of these posts is "I dont like X, it should be cut/reduced and make more of Z, which I do like"

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Originally Posted by Ashgarth

Something like story boss fights, but harder?
Extreme even?

Sarcasm aside, If you play an mmo only for the endgame raiding, then you are going to run out of content rather quick no matter what game you play.

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This isnt true....ffxi kept me busy for years

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Originally Posted by IzzyData

Honestly, I think you should just quit and go do something else. There is little reason to believe the entire format of the game will change at this point. If the game as it exists today is not fun for you then why bother?

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I love ff...have supported it for years so excuse me for having a loyalty to the brand. Id just like to see certain roots that it established itself under historically truly manifest in this version solely because it is multiplayer game....its new school people like you whos entitlement to watered down mess of content that absolutely irritate me to no end because for some reason (money) you have become the majority which enables this problem with no real end in sight.....There i said it...

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

So the one thing I wonder is what will need to be sacrificed for this "extra" content? Or even just different. They have a formula that works (really, can you argue it works if this game is still challenging WoW for top spot?). Yes it doesn't work for everyone but for a large amount of people (regular subs don't stay regular if they don't want to keep playing the game) the game has enough and they're OK doing the same thing every expansion.

Something HAS to be sacrificed, the team has shown time and time again that they are working within limited resources (whether by upper management limitation or just sheer availability of talent we don't know) to hit a set schedule. The fact we have 2 debatably unfinished races (not genderwise, just equipment and customization wise) shows they're starting to fall behind with what they NEED to complete, let alone what they'd like to do.

They've tried different sometimes and we've gotten content that fell extremely flat: Diadem, Eureka.
We had ultimates and I think it was a tiny % of the userbase who even completed it? Someone have those numbers?

Sure more "endgame" stuff would bring more endgame type players, but what and who would be the cost?

This is most of the "themepark" players concerns I believe. What will be taken away from them that they already expect regularly so that another group can just get another .. something.

You can't make everyone happy, they're going to disappoint someone somewhere and right now it looks like they're choosing to go the safe route and disappoint the people who already are disappointed.

It would be tremendous if they suddenly dumped more resources into the game and everyone got stuff, but I don't think that's gonna happen to a 6/9 year old game.

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If glamour didnt = equal end game there would be plenty of resources. This has happening by design hence why we are here pleading..dont worry you guys are very close on is giving up on this discussion. By the responses i think i have the closure i didnt want... yall actually enjoy glamour more than anything so i dont blame yoshi for milking...much less work to create sparkly items than end game content. It is what it is...

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Originally Posted by Ashgarth

Since you like to write LIMITED so much you should consider than in the real world there's something called LIMITED money and LIMITED time. Hence LIMITED things exist.

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How about try to EXPAND something, we're no more in HW expansion, where the game had little player base, I thought with bigger amount of money you can spend more on product you're working on, and with bigger budget you can hire more people and produce more content.
Use your f*ing brain. I can't stand how people being stupid while protecting what they love.

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Originally Posted by Ashgarth

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Well, this certainly seems like a great money and time investment to appease a massive portion of the playersbase. They really should make one every patch at the very least.

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You dont get the point....this is truly going in circles. This thread has shown me the light in a very bad way...imagine me being loyal to this game since the beta of 1.0 to reach a bitter end like this....smh

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

But.. the new fates work pretty well for people.. I just don't think they should have made a whole world based on the old fate formula.

I don't think this thread is helping though, it has long since dissolved into MMORPG VS MMORPG pickle waving and namecalling. The community managers have probably long since stopped reading this and only end up in it when someone gets flagged for abuse/manners.

For what it's worth the new mechanics they've invented for the bosses are neat, I'd love to see more time paused effects and although I HATE the "line maze" one, it certainly made that part of the fight exciting.

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New FATEs are indeed a step in the right direction for those! I'm glad!

Unfortunately, as much as I try to keep my posts neutral and void of any insults for this thread, I still get attacked for it. People also seem to question my love for the game because I do not agree and wish for better, as a consumer. To me, this is a big no-no in any community, and it does not reflect well on this one.

Just chiming in:

End-Game we have:

* Eden
* 2 EX fights

That is it. Now, it is very very early in this expansion, this is very much to be expected. Once you have dumped the EX bosses as many times as you need and then moved on and done your eden for the week, you are done with the hardest stuff available.

Truth though, this is the time to level your other classes while not losing out on much (if you are someone who does not have unlimited time to play) since the end game is in its expansion desert phase. There is really nothing wrong with it.