Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

So right now I'm going through all my 80s to determine the jobs I adore and the jobs I loathe to play at endgame. I get to AST and queue for Eden 3 and 4, get slotted into an Eden 4 in progress. Cool, no problem, I get to help out a group that had a healer drop for whatever reason.

Oh my goodness this group.

Tanks were both soaking the tankbuster at the same time, and getting up to 4-5 stacks of Vulnerability.
The two dancers spend have the battle on the ground or running around eating Vulnerability stacks.
I watched the WHM spam casting glare while everyone needed heals, people were dead, and I was oom trying desperately to keep the raid stable.
We went through 7 transformations. I don't remember the last time having that many transformations.

We get it down, and I get the snide "You guys need to spend more time healing".

There's a good chunk of my hair missing from me pulling it out.

Good news, though. Still love AST far more than SCH and WHM.

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Originally Posted by Averax

I loathe ranged dps who stand out in Narnia while in a damage intensive fight. Like if you aren't going to make the effort to stand in range of my aoe heals, i'm not going to make the effort to keep you alive. We were in the Copied Factory, and This MCH consistently stood as far away from the healers as possible. I tried to yank him in several times and he just bee lined his way back to his corner so he could edgelord it up. I told him "Stand in range of my heals" and he retorted with "I'll stand where i wanna stand". So i brought out the old "Then perish" line and made a point to never directly heal him, he would only be healed by my AoE abilities.

A couple deaths later, he started standing in range.

It's always the people with some variation of "wolf" in their name, or something equally edgelordy. News flash kids, the lone wolf starves and dies but the pack survives. I don't care what your RP persona is, we're trying to clear some content.

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I'll admit to sometimes doing that on BLM. But I'm not doing it to look cool or anything. I'm doing it to be out of range of point-blank AoEs, because any kind of movement is death to a BLM rotation.

There's no reason in the entire world for a MCH to do that.

So, I have an alt that I just got to Titania, and I have been putting off taking her through because I don't like doing that fight if I'm not healing.

I finally decide to take her through, I watch the cutscene so I can enjoy the story again.

As soon at the gate goes down, my cotank is barreling in and pulling... Without their stance on... (Which I am not mad at, cause I have done it before... it happen...)

I queued with my stance on and didn't get synced, so I lob it and take it after a few of the DPS get a love tap. The other tank doesn't put their stance on until someone reminds them in the chat. They're better geared than me, but I had aggro and I was confident, so I don't give up. There is no reason to trade aggro at this point.

But they continue to try and take her from me.

And well, I usually don't like playing aggro games, and I'll shirk someone before I fight them... but I hold on. They keep on standing in the front like they wanna take her. Nope, not today. They nearly die to growth ruin... and provoke while they are dying? So I voke it back... because NO... Today she is mine.

We get to adds. I mention I would pick up Pease before they spawn in, but they run in and get it. So I just get puck.

They promptly die to the tank buster and I end up with both of them. I make a joke about how I guess I'm getting both of them.

The next phase they go for mustard and don't pick up either??? So I pick them both up...

They continue to stand in the front of the boss after adds. They have two vuln stance and eat a divination ruin with me, bringing them down to less than 25%...

I'm like, little catfriend, stop... please... Stop fighting me.

Thank you healers for keeping us up, and for the dps for doing a stellar job too. XD Cotank... Don't try and take aggro after you already messed up in pulling!!

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Originally Posted by Averax

I loathe ranged dps who stand out in Narnia while in a damage intensive fight. Like if you aren't going to make the effort to stand in range of my aoe heals, i'm not going to make the effort to keep you alive. We were in the Copied Factory, and This MCH consistently stood as far away from the healers as possible. I tried to yank him in several times and he just bee lined his way back to his corner so he could edgelord it up. I told him "Stand in range of my heals" and he retorted with "I'll stand where i wanna stand". So i brought out the old "Then perish" line and made a point to never directly heal him, he would only be healed by my AoE abilities.

A couple deaths later, he started standing in range.

It's always the people with some variation of "wolf" in their name, or something equally edgelordy. News flash kids, the lone wolf starves and dies but the pack survives. I don't care what your RP persona is, we're trying to clear some content.

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This has been driving me nuts in the Copied Factory lately. My dude it's not my job to chase you. This is not tag!!!

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Originally Posted by Callinon

Or we have door #3: A GCD from the healer is worth more damage than a GCD from the tank. If I can sustain myself with Clemency alone, the healer can focus on DPS, and the mob pack dies faster because they do a whole hell of a lot more damage than I do in a single GCD.

There's also another point: I straight up do NOT trust the healer. If my HP is at 40% or 30% or 20% and showing no signs of increasing, then you're damn skippy I'm going to use Clemency. Because if I die in that scenario it's my fault.

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What pld could do with that gcd for aoe(no other cds or abilities needing to be used):
Total Eclipse - Delivers an attack with a potency of 120 to all nearby enemies.

Prominence- Delivers an attack with a potency of 100 to all nearby enemies.Combo Action: Total Eclipse, Combo Potency: 220, Combo Bonus: Restores MP

Holy Circle- Deals unaspected damage with a potency of 250 to all nearby enemies, costs 2000mp(same as all pld spells)

Here is what whm has for aoe gcd(same stipulation as pld):
Holy- Deals unaspected damage with a potency of 140 to all nearby enemies. Additional Effect: Stun, Duration: 4s

Here for sch(same stipulation):
Art of War- Deals unaspected damage with a potency of 160 to all nearby enemies.

And finally AST(same stipulation):
Gravity- Deals unaspected damage with a potency of 140 to target and all enemies nearby it.

Now scaling is different across the jobs but from flat potency the moment you get Holy circle your aoe is better than healers by a decent amount in a single gcd, if you were mid total eclipse combo your aoe is better than healers, it is more beneficial for plds to use their aoes over all healers so unless you flat out don't trust your healers, don't use Clemency, it is not worth the healer gcd, your gcds are more desirable for the group.

Rabble rabble people still not stacking in E2 even after all this time, rabble rabble...

To clarify - people stacked, then ran out of the stack before it hit, resulting in myself and one other person getting atomized. I shortly after accepted a rez on reflex, juuust as the boss was gearing up to knock the party off the platform, killing myself. Well done, me!

Later in the fight, the OT gets the stack and runs away with it to die alone. Thanks, I wanted to spend mana on a rez for no reason. Come oooon... Oh well, evens out (?) I guess, since I derped earlier.

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Originally Posted by Callinon

I'll admit to sometimes doing that on BLM. But I'm not doing it to look cool or anything. I'm doing it to be out of range of point-blank AoEs, because any kind of movement is death to a BLM rotation.

There's no reason in the entire world for a MCH to do that.

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I'll admit that I do that on MCH, because I can't think to dodge while doing the big combo, but I am at least smart enough that if I notice my hp getting low, I'll run in and catch heals. Course, trying to do this in the factory is ... just beyond the limit of my abiliy, sadly. I either don't notice, or I can't find the healer.... but at least I've got the decency to not blame the healer, and thank them for keeping my ass off the ground as much as they can.

I tend to stand on the outer edges of the group in alliance raids just so I can see ground AoEs under the press of bodies (and yes, I have effects turned off for other parties to reduce visual clutter). I run in for healing during/after raid-wide attacks, then move out again for dodging room. Most of the big damage is avoidable as long as you can see where it's going.

Just want to quickly mention that I have been trying to pug e4S for three weeks now and have been unable to reclear because this community is just such a beacon of intelligence, such a wall of common sense, a fountain of competence, that reclearing isn't in it for me anymore. It's like all the actual competent players stopped doing savage and are doing Ultimate content and now all that is left is a swamp of mouth breathing grasshoppers who's sole purpose it is to fuck things up, repeatedly and shamelessly. Honestly, if you want to conduct a scientific experiment to gauge the bottomless stupidity of human beings, look no further than the FFXIV raiding scene in EU at this point in time. That's the end of my rant and I feel better now. Thanks.

Makes me feel relieved that i already cleared this tier.

Instead i'm having trouble with Hades EX.

Co-tank, why will you not swap targets during the add phase when the debuff swaps? WHY!?

*Cries as the co-tank stays right where he is continuing to hit Lahabrea instead of running over to grab Igeyorhm, causing her to follow me when i try to pick Lahabrea up, tether, and then wipe the group*

Every time. Every bloody time.

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

[-] Now scaling is different across the jobs but from flat potency the moment you get Holy circle your aoe is better than healers by a decent amount in a single gcd, if you were mid total eclipse combo your aoe is better than healers, it is more beneficial for plds to use their aoes over all healers so unless you flat out don't trust your healers, don't use Clemency, it is not worth the healer gcd, your gcds are more desirable for the group.

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The damage scaling difference is bigger than you think. I tested this by taking my *unmelded* i445 WHM with an i440 weapon (totaling 3740 Mind) to Holy spam a training dummy. Damage average from the Holy was 6372 per cast (eliminating crits and directs, not that there was any of the latter). I then took my *fully melded* i470 Paladin, and equipped an i430 sword to balance things out a bit (totaling to 4178 Strength), and spammed Eclipse+Prominence on the same dummy. Again, eliminating crits and directs, dealing on average of 2617 and 4881 damage per hit respectively. Note that even with this gear discrepency, Prominence would need the FoF boost of 25% to be even in the same thousand group as Holy (and still not measure up), not to mention Eclipse being even weaker. Holy Circle does about 5k (didn't test that one out as much), so it does definitely get stronger than Holy under Requiescat. But that also means the only situation where PLD would do more damage than a White Mage in AoE is during Requiescat.
Unless of course there's something off with my testing, which is always a possibility...

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Originally Posted by Averax

I loathe ranged dps who stand out in Narnia while in a damage intensive fight. Like if you aren't going to make the effort to stand in range of my aoe heals, i'm not going to make the effort to keep you alive. We were in the Copied Factory, and This MCH consistently stood as far away from the healers as possible. I tried to yank him in several times and he just bee lined his way back to his corner so he could edgelord it up. I told him "Stand in range of my heals" and he retorted with "I'll stand where i wanna stand". So i brought out the old "Then perish" line and made a point to never directly heal him, he would only be healed by my AoE abilities.

A couple deaths later, he started standing in range.

It's always the people with some variation of "wolf" in their name, or something equally edgelordy. News flash kids, the lone wolf starves and dies but the pack survives. I don't care what your RP persona is, we're trying to clear some content.

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I'm BLM and I tend to camp in max caster range, because as someone else noted, we don't do movement too good. I kind of get it. I mean whats the point of ranged if you don't use that distance but also yeah. I get the point as well, when I heal and your party is spread out its like @_@. I try to stay on the side my Alliance woukd normally take but that's not always possible.

I know why the healer last night rescued me now, even though I wasn't about to get hit with anything. XD

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Originally Posted by Ursa_Vonfiebryd

I'm BLM and I tend to camp in max caster range, because as someone else noted, we don't do movement too good. I kind of get it. I mean whats the point of ranged if you don't use that distance but also yeah. I get the point as well, when I heal and your party is spread out its like @_@. I try to stay on the side my Alliance woukd normally take but that's not always possible.

I know why the healer last night rescued me now, even though I wasn't about to get hit with anything. XD

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BLM is actually very mobile now. There's not really an excuse to be that far out.

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Originally Posted by Ursa_Vonfiebryd

I'm BLM and I tend to camp in max caster range, because as someone else noted, we don't do movement too good. I kind of get it. I mean whats the point of ranged if you don't use that distance but also yeah. I get the point as well, when I heal and your party is spread out its like @_@. I try to stay on the side my Alliance woukd normally take but that's not always possible.

I know why the healer last night rescued me now, even though I wasn't about to get hit with anything. XD

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Think of it like this. Healers generally position themselves just behind melee (near the center of the room if practical). You can stand anywhere you want as long as it's within 15-20 yalms of the healer. If you're not taking any extra damage other than room aoes and the healer has to target you specifically for a heal, you're too far away.

Though it is also generally good to stand just behind melee because it's easy to dodge stuff from there.

So... my take on all this stuff in the last 2 pages..

BLM is fairly rooted til they can get Between The Lines, and get creative with the teleport move they got in tandem with Leylines..

I never felt slighted at a PLD using clemency. Go for it. I can be real slow sometimes, and I do have bad days and there are times I am held prisoner by the GCD. I am good, but I am not perfect, I can and will screw up and your death can be a result of that. This extends to any job capable of self heals. No one wants to, nor likes to die, do what you must to prevent it.

Ranged Jobs hanging out in outer space: I try to form a "Triangle" between me and the DPS. The tank is the top of this triangle, and I am in the middle, dps are left and right. I mentally build a radius around myself and gravitate towards the dps within this triangle, but both must be in the "circle". It doesn't matter if the tank isn't as the running regen should hold them over. Probably the only situation where DPS is moved up ahead of a tank on my priority list.

As a DNC, I tend to be on the front lines anyway because some of our AOEs are only melee range, and the 2 flourish windows therefore puts us at the front anyway, because of Bladeshower, Bloodshower and Rising Windmill being part of the window.

I don't care if a guide says to do it this exact way "ranged bait", so I automatically have to run south even though I am north. Just because a guide says something one way doesn't make me care. Get off your high horse book readers, because I actually don't care. If something doesn't go exactly as planned you all die, because you don't know how to do it any other way. Ridiculous. That ninja wasn't gonna get any extra uptime anyway, he died 3 times that run.

For the record I did start moving down south when the ninja walked off the edge. You all killed yourselves, multiple times.

Had an... uh... interesting 50/60/70 roulette just now. Zone in, Sastasha HM as DRG. Okay, not my favorite but not heinous either. (Or so I thought...)

Tank pulls big, nice, good sign--anddd the aggro is instantly on me and the healer because level sync killed his tank stance. Understandable, I've been there before, I feel your pain, bro. Second pull goes better, things seem like they'll work out fine, but first boss, healer does not cleanse a single debuff. BRD stands near them. Double stacks of debuff. Healer gets targeted by the tail attack, tank doesn't stun... Healer dies instantly. Welp. We finished the fight, at least.

Next pull, tank drags all the crabs into the room with the naga bowladies, which theoretically would have been fine and sped things up if literally anyone but me had bothered to the hit the middle add, the Drowned Wench that spawns the healing orbs. No one touched that add but me, so I just get to watch the healer confused about where the damage is coming from while the Drowned Wench continually heals herself back to full... took twice as long as normal. RIP.

Then I brb'd and kept the party waiting for a sec (which was my bad--was #41 in the queue so I thought I had time to go pop some food in the oven; queue popped much faster than expected, sorryyyy. ._.) Second boss, BRD uses the LB1 on Captain Madison. Not Captain Madison and all his adds... JUST Captain Madison. On the last add before the boss, I got his holmgang... and the tank dragged him away from me so I couldn't hit him. T_T Then final boss... half the party ignores the boss and the arms to DPS the tentacles? Why? Then the BRD again used LB1 on the boss by itself?

Only one person in the group got the mapping achievement.

My reaction the entire time: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Originally Posted by Averax

I loathe ranged dps who stand out in Narnia while in a damage intensive fight. Like if you aren't going to make the effort to stand in range of my aoe heals, i'm not going to make the effort to keep you alive. We were in the Copied Factory, and This MCH consistently stood as far away from the healers as possible. I tried to yank him in several times and he just bee lined his way back to his corner so he could edgelord it up. I told him "Stand in range of my heals" and he retorted with "I'll stand where i wanna stand". So i brought out the old "Then perish" line and made a point to never directly heal him, he would only be healed by my AoE abilities.

A couple deaths later, he started standing in range.

It's always the people with some variation of "wolf" in their name, or something equally edgelordy. News flash kids, the lone wolf starves and dies but the pack survives. I don't care what your RP persona is, we're trying to clear some content.

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Never knew that people thought the last name wolf was edgy. Though I’m sorry you had to deal with that, not everyone with this last name is like that. <3

I constantly get self-important DPS thinking they can lead me like I'm on a leash, always running ahead of me and trying to pull things. It's funny to watch them learn and stop doing that when I don't save them. What's not funny is that it happens in 2019 and somehow people are learning such bad habits, even in high-level dungeons. If you queue as a DPS, you submit to playing however fast or slow the tank wants to go. You're not entitled to be asked what the precious DPS wants to do.

I would say this happened to me when I did Baelsar's Wall yesterday, but actually it happens literally every time I tank. Even before they can get fed up with me not speedrunning the duty, they just frolic ahead right into enemies and then sprint back. If you want to be the first person to encounter a group in a duty, be the tank.

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Originally Posted by Doozer

I constantly get self-important DPS thinking they can lead me like I'm on a leash, always running ahead of me and trying to pull things. It's funny to watch them learn and stop doing that when I don't save them. What's not funny is that it happens in 2019 and somehow people are learning such bad habits, even in high-level dungeons. If you queue as a DPS, you submit to playing however fast or slow the tank wants to go. You're not entitled to be asked what the precious DPS wants to do.

I would say this happened to me when I did Baelsar's Wall yesterday, but actually it happens literally every time I tank. Even before they can get fed up with me not speedrunning the duty, they just frolic ahead right into enemies and then sprint back. If you want to be the first person to encounter a group in a duty, be the tank.

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Sounds to me you think you are one of those self-important tanks who's just petty. You are playing with mature people here, not some high school children you have to teach not to do a meanie weanie and pull ahead of you. Boohoo, I AM THE TANK, I pull, boohoo. If someone pulls ahead of me, I just pick it up, because I'm not a petty person and I don't want to put more strain on people. That never happens though because I'm actually not a slowpoke. I would kick you on the spot for griefing. Had a tank who was waiting 2 minutes almost between each pull. Guess we'll just stand here then, you are the boss mister tank! That's not how it works, fortunately. Just because you are the tank doesn't mean other people expect you to go at a decent pace, just as it's expected you do decent DPS and as a healer at least attempt to DPS too. You don't get a free pass because you are mister boss tank. Also, if you constantly get them, you are most likely the problem that people get so tired of you being so slow, that they pull ahead of you. It never happens to me, never.

I'm gonna start calling tanks that don't use CDs, 'No Cooldowns Johnson'. Now I just need to think of a song to complete the circle.

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Originally Posted by Rasikko

I'm gonna start calling tanks that don't use CDs, 'No Cooldowns Johnson'.

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I don't get it.

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Originally Posted by Doozer

I constantly get self-important DPS thinking they can lead me like I'm on a leash, always running ahead of me and trying to pull things. It's funny to watch them learn and stop doing that when I don't save them. What's not funny is that it happens in 2019 and somehow people are learning such bad habits, even in high-level dungeons. If you queue as a DPS, you submit to playing however fast or slow the tank wants to go. You're not entitled to be asked what the precious DPS wants to do.

I would say this happened to me when I did Baelsar's Wall yesterday, but actually it happens literally every time I tank. Even before they can get fed up with me not speedrunning the duty, they just frolic ahead right into enemies and then sprint back. If you want to be the first person to encounter a group in a duty, be the tank.

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So instead of asking them not to pull ahead or picking up the extra mobs given how aggro has become a joke now... you intentionally leave them to die which only slows the run now even further and puts more work on the healer. All because you're petty. Yeah... I'd initiate a Vote Dismissal without a second thought. Just because you're a tank doesn't mean you get to dictate everything. If the party wants to go faster and you refuse, you're just being selfish. You've now forced your preference against three other people.

And maybe you continuously have DPS pulling ahead because it's Baelsar's Wall in 2019. That dungeon has long become a joke that most tanks will always speed run. Nowadays, there simply isn't an excuse to pull less than two packs.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

So instead of asking them not to pull ahead or picking up the extra mobs given how aggro has become a joke now... you intentionally leave them to die which only slows the run now even further and puts more work on the healer. All because you're petty. Yeah... I'd initiate a Vote Dismissal without a second thought. Just because you're a tank doesn't mean you get to dictate everything. If the party wants to go faster and you refuse, you're just being selfish. You've now forced your preference against three other people.

And maybe you continuously have DPS pulling ahead because it's Baelsar's Wall in 2019. That dungeon has long become a joke that most tanks will always speed run. Nowadays, there simply isn't an excuse to pull less than two packs.

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I have no problem with picking up as many or as few mobs as the party wants.

But if I say "Do not engage the next mob until we finish recovering", and a DPS runs ahead to pull the next mob, then I reserve the right to be petty and let them die. It's not even the fact that they're pulling ahead, I have no problem with grabbing enemies from DPS that do that, it's that they did it after being specifically asked not to.

I have to ask, recovering from what? Unless your healer is spamming GCD heals instead of using the rest of their kit and runs low on mana, there's generally nothing to recover from that won't be ready by the next trash pack.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

I have to ask, recovering from what?

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Cooldowns can be an issue for tanks in midlevel-dungeons were you may have only two 'normal' midigation-CDs.

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Originally Posted by Doozer

I constantly get self-important DPS thinking they can lead me like I'm on a leash, always running ahead of me and trying to pull things. It's funny to watch them learn and stop doing that when I don't save them. What's not funny is that it happens in 2019 and somehow people are learning such bad habits, even in high-level dungeons. If you queue as a DPS, you submit to playing however fast or slow the tank wants to go. You're not entitled to be asked what the precious DPS wants to do.

I would say this happened to me when I did Baelsar's Wall yesterday, but actually it happens literally every time I tank. Even before they can get fed up with me not speedrunning the duty, they just frolic ahead right into enemies and then sprint back. If you want to be the first person to encounter a group in a duty, be the tank.

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Not this again. Tanks do not dictate the pace of a dungeon. The group does. If the group wants to speedrun then oh well, that's too bad. Better adjust or leave. Slowing the group down even more because you're petty is what I find disappointing in 2019.

On the other hand, wiping the group because you are impatient and run ahead pulling more than the group can handle is also disrespectful, and also costs the party even more time than the tank being a bit slow on pulling. Which actually makes it worse.

So we should start vote kicking DPS who do that. They are wasting the groups time after all.

Cause a wipe by running ahead like a goddamn Leeroy, get the boot.

On the other hand, it's Baelsar's Wall. If you can't handle a little bit of extra mobs then what are you even doing.

We were mass-pulling the Wall when it was current, never mind now.

Oh good, this discussion again. Like anyone's going to change their mind.

If you want to be a DPS that pulls ahead, cool! I mean, I won't heal you if I'm healing, or engage if I'm the second DPS, or pull off you if I'm the tank - but go ahead and do it! That's totally up to you, you're a person. Deal with the consequences.

And if people want to kick me for that, I really don't care.

And if people DON'T want to do that and want to pull them off you as tank, cool beans. I also don't care. No amount of thumbs up or discussion on a forum is going to change my mind so... can we drop it?

If everyone just played Samurai we wouldn't be having this discussion ¬.¬

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Originally Posted by Mordraug

If everyone just played Samurai we wouldn't be having this discussion ¬.¬

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But samurai is garbage job for garbage people.

Everyone should SMN. You get a 3 piece chicken combo with a side order of worms. Wyrms.

EDIT: Sorry, I forgot that with 5.0, the menu has been updated to a 3 piece chicken combo with an extra, super spicy hot piece on top.

Nah, everyone should be a red mage. You won't have the DPS of a full caster, or the healing of a full healer, but hey, you'll be stylish as hell.

Meanwhile Paladins have the advantage of being nearly impossible to kill unless we do something stupid, allowing us to outlast everybody else and win by attrition in the abscence of enrage timers.

See also, all the stories of Paladins soloing stuff after the entire rest of the party manages to get themselves killed before the halfway point of the fight.

It's not fast by any means, but as far as i'm concerned it beats wiping and starting over.

All that shouting about "Just die!" from the rest of the group? Nope, if it's within my power then i'm gonna finish the fight, not my fault you all killed yourselves. Even better if it's the final boss, because then the dungeon is over afterwards and they can't even try to kick me for it.

In short, you lot manage to all kill yourselves on a dungeon boss? You can stand there outside the boss arena and watch me do it myself, or just watch Netflix or something in the meantime.

Does this make me toxic?

Their rage is a greater fuel than any mana.

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Originally Posted by Mixt

Meanwhile Paladins have the advantage of being nearly impossible to kill unless we do something stupid, allowing us to outlast everybody else and win by attrition in the abscence of enrage timers.

See also, all the stories of Paladins soloing stuff after the entire rest of the party manages to get themselves killed before the halfway point of the fight.

It's not fast by any means, but as far as i'm concerned it beats wiping and starting over.

All that shouting about "Just die!" from the rest of the group? Nope, if it's within my power then i'm gonna finish the fight, not my fault you all killed yourselves. Even better if it's the final boss, because then the dungeon is over afterwards and they can't even try to kick me for it.

In short, you lot manage to all kill yourselves on a dungeon boss? You can stand there outside the boss arena and watch me do it myself, or just watch Netflix or something in the meantime.

Does this make me toxic?

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Ah reminds me of this one time when weeping city was new (as in currently highest 24m raid), i had been running it all week with varying degrees of success to abandons, it got to Sunday and i was having a particularly bad day, everything was fine until Ozma where 4 wipes happen late into the fight. This ofc increased my frustrations but manage to kill on the 5th attempt.

Cue Calefostari(however you spell her name, too lazy to look up), few deaths to 1st haircut, i was calm, cool, get people up kill adds thought finally another clear at last i thought, then it happened, 22 people all got caught by the snare hair and when they died something in me snapped, i just looked at timer, looked at mt who was in another group and i decided i am taking this thing down by myself (i was a ast btw) so it got combust, combust II and malefic II to death from 50%, mt gave up at around 40% but they had such an aggro lead i wouldn't take it and i made sure they stayed alive so i don't take boss, so many shouts to just die, so much negativity, but i straight up did not care and i proudly solo'd that part.

Was i toxic oh yea, did i waste so much of their time you betcha, but damn was it satisfying knowing they cannot kick me because i was in combat and downing an easy boss wasting their time rather than my own(It may have taken longer but there was no garentee that next few pulls would've killed it so as far as i was concerned worth it), the cherry on top i got the healer chest i wanted and the minion, i'm sure i entered a lot of peoples' blacklist that day but meh :P

Ah yes, Calofisteri.

There was that one time shortly after Alliance Roulette was first added to the game where we got her down to like 5%, then 23 people all drop dead at once, leaving me alone with her.

Hahaha, just die you say? I think not. You can't win by yourself, stop wasting our time you say? We will see about that.

I then proceeded to finish her off myself. A whole lot of Clemency and Goring Blade/Royal Authority combos later she goes down, i laugh, and Alliance Chat explodes.

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Ah yes, Calofisteri.

There was that one time shortly after Alliance Roulette was first added to the game where we got her down to like 5%, then 23 people all drop dead at once, leaving me alone with her.

Hahaha, just die you say? I think not. You can't win by yourself, stop wasting our time you say? We will see about that.

I then proceeded to finish her off myself. A whole lot of Clemency and Goring Blade/Royal Authority combos later she goes down, i laugh, and Alliance Chat explodes.

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That's... nearly the same as my first clear of the place. It's just that the near-wipe was at like 20%, and I had a couple of rez-less DPS friends who also survived. Made it a bit more manageable.

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Meanwhile Paladins have the advantage of being nearly impossible to kill unless we do something stupid, allowing us to outlast everybody else and win by attrition in the abscence of enrage timers.

See also, all the stories of Paladins soloing stuff after the entire rest of the party manages to get themselves killed before the halfway point of the fight.

It's not fast by any means, but as far as i'm concerned it beats wiping and starting over.

All that shouting about "Just die!" from the rest of the group? Nope, if it's within my power then i'm gonna finish the fight, not my fault you all killed yourselves. Even better if it's the final boss, because then the dungeon is over afterwards and they can't even try to kick me for it.

In short, you lot manage to all kill yourselves on a dungeon boss? You can stand there outside the boss arena and watch me do it myself, or just watch Netflix or something in the meantime.

Does this make me toxic?

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I dunno about that toxicity, but if you are like holding on until boss is almost dead, those doubts turn immediately to cheer you on to finish it?

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Meanwhile Paladins have the advantage of being nearly impossible to kill unless we do something stupid, allowing us to outlast everybody else and win by attrition in the abscence of enrage timers.

See also, all the stories of Paladins soloing stuff after the entire rest of the party manages to get themselves killed before the halfway point of the fight.

It's not fast by any means, but as far as i'm concerned it beats wiping and starting over.

All that shouting about "Just die!" from the rest of the group? Nope, if it's within my power then i'm gonna finish the fight, not my fault you all killed yourselves. Even better if it's the final boss, because then the dungeon is over afterwards and they can't even try to kick me for it.

In short, you lot manage to all kill yourselves on a dungeon boss? You can stand there outside the boss arena and watch me do it myself, or just watch Netflix or something in the meantime.

Does this make me toxic?

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Or one DPS survives and you attempt to keep them and yourself alive from unavoidable damage, but you must make the unavoidable and inevitable choice of letting the lone DPS die because you wont be able to sustain the two of you by yourself. Such has happened to me once so far on both sides of the fence.