Heals for Scholors need a buff

I think a lot of you are really over complicating the scholar job. I've always come from the standpoint that you want to be as mana neutral as possible. This means that I don't want my mana bar moving a ton minute by minute. Scholar is unbelievably good at resource management compared to a WHM. Furthermore, I've built my scholar as full mind and my heals are close to equal and even sometimes greater than a WHM (~370 mind). I've experienced most of the end game content and honestly if you are blowing adlo all of the time then you are over healing or you have a bad tank. That spell is designed to buy you time to heal a non-tank or to stop a back-to-back burst. It's better to simply use Lustrate to spike a tank over the course of 60 seconds and then regain stacks. I usually do 1-2 Lustrates per minute, the other two stacks go into Sacred Soil. Earlier in the battle I'll use the drain to keep my mana at 100%.

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Originally Posted by Rainsford

I'm still not sure why you're comparing 2 WHM's to the shield of one SCH. A SCH using Adlo + faerie will heal more on a single target (and prevent a good chunk of damage) than a WHM spamming Cure with both Regen's up, and the WHM will run out of mp long before the SCH does. This is from post-50 gameplay and just simple reading of the potency of the heals/effects. If you cast both Regens on a tank and the boss gets stunned/misses, those Regen ticks are wasted. As long as the tank gets hit again in 30 seconds, Adlo gets its full potency.

You're right that, as it stand, 2 SCH's can be redundant in pugs. But 2 coordinated SCHs who do things like time Fey Illumination so it never overlaps and make sure they have separate Adlo priorities so shields never go to waste will do much better than 2 coordinated WHM's.

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the potency is per tick not overall effect THAT makes the difference

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Originally Posted by gigi_frana

Yeah as a SCH I felt I needed Much Stronger heals yesterday when 3 guys from Shiva let me tank the adds in AK at last boss, and then complained that the DPS were dieing while I was healing the tank, and then tank dieing whyle I as healing the dps, Huehuehue.

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well clearly not your fault, nuff said.

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Originally Posted by Valiant

the potency is per tick not overall effect THAT makes the difference

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It is per tick, yea you are defiantly right. But Dont forget that Aldo also heals. lets say we heal for 700, then you also get an absorb for 700 and its equal to 1400 damage mitigated, and if you crit it is even more, and the pet heal for around 400.
if the tank got full hp already the shield is giving him 700 more hp, and that is insane.
The mana management is so ridiculous with scholars as well, almost an infinite pool of mana if you manage it right.
And as Rainford says, if the tank does not take damage the the healing on regen are wasted, while an absorption shield is the opposite.

But meh, enough of bashing and whining which class is better, both class got their weak and strong points, and i would say that you should they are really good together and covering for each other weaknesses.

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Originally Posted by Rainsford

I feel like SE did this on purpose. Imagine if SCH's heals stacked. 2 SCH with macros to force-cast Embrace on the tank would let them keep everyone else in the party running 4 shields, 2 Succor and 2 Adlo. That's essentially a 900 potency shield with little fear of running out of MP. It would trivialize every encounter.

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Using Succor and Adlo like that will drain your mana so fast it's not even funny. Your mana would only last for a few minutes and then you'd be hovering around 5-10%, waiting for your cooldowns to come up, so you can cast anything other than Physick.

whm is currently superior for coil atm due whms higher hps and burst hps. Whm also have more control over their healing/buffs compared to sch who relies on a flawed fairy and critical strikes.

Whm hps is garunteed and thus overall better then sch . Medica 2 is also 20 yard range and crazy aoe hp healing per cast.

SE need to give us much more control over the fairy because it will occasionally let us down in critical situations.

E.g in coil i need to constantly heal and i rely on my fairy to spam heals back to back. I cannot afford any delays . But..
Since the fairy can't be controlled while casting , it may cast something i dont want to it too (reducing my hps)
Since the ai will auto heal lower hp people/me over the tank( so the faerie will occasionally not be available to heal so my hps is reduced compared to guaranteed whm hps)
The embrace spell recast is 3 seconds whereas mine is 2.4(thus there being times where my gcd will come up when fairy is on recast) I cannot simply give the faerie a preemptive command since there is lack of pet command queueing. Or a pet action/macro to spam embrace on a target .Thus If i delay my physick to get off the embrace , i am reducing my hps further.
When it comes to hps aql spam is flawed. Because the way tanks take damage in this game is every xx sec they eat a large hit, thus cure 2 spam is way better suited for how tanks take damage. Casting two aql back to back may often cause 300 potency to be wasted since the shields effect will either overwrite or say no effect. 300 potency for double physick mana cost is a waste. (not like i can cancel heal at the last second either after like 80% cast the heal will always go through)

What should SE do to fix?
1. First off if they are going to balance sch around perfect faerie heals then we need complete control over the fairy. Perhaps let us control it during casting since its gcd does not benefit from spellspeed and conflicts with our gcd. OR they can give us more pet commands e.g pet command spam embrace on this target. and ofc the command to stop it from casting on its own completely.
2. Fix "wasted shields" Either Shield stacking ,less wasted shield or increased healing on shielded target.For shield stacking they can make shields stack upto a certain number cap. The cap could be critical aql shield amount. So the cap be reached by casting 2 aql back to back or 1 aql critical.
3. Succor sucks in comparison to medica and medica2. Whms get two heals for aoe (preemptive healing and burst). While sch get 1 (just preemptive).

Sch will never touch whm when it comes to aoe healing but its actully not even better then whms at tank healing so what is sch niche exactly? Mana efficency? but the fact is we need to cast 2-3 spells for every whm spell to match their hps anyways. If we soil or lustrate spam then our mana return isnt that much better then whm.

Scholar is perfectly balanced until you reach titan. If you haven't reached titan yet then you don't understand the drastic differences between White Mage and Scholar. Firstly you can not run with 2 scholars. unlike White mages our skills don't stack. We can't stack our bubbles they don't even refresh duration unless the next heal is larger than the first. A white mage can stack medica II with another white mage that alone is enough of a reason not to take a scholar into Titan. Why take a scholar when you can have another WHM.

The scholar is not currently balanced for the high big damage fights. You think scholar is balanced because a WHM doesn't out heal you in Ifrit... I don't even bother healing in Ifrit no one takes enough damage to warrant two healers come back and speak to me once you've been told to GTFO from Titan because of your class.

We don't need a buff just some small alterations that make us a viable option.

I suppose this is my old thoughts from playing WoW, but I always felt like the Scholar should have Regen. I've sort of pictured the Scholar as a Disc priest, with bubbles and regen, and the White Mage as the Holy priest with massive heals and crits.

I'm not that high yet - 36 I think? - but I feel like I would really benefit from a better AoE cure. Normally when I'm curing I'll spam Embrace, and hardly ever need to heal. If the tank gets to just above 50% hp or so then I'll start using Adloquium followed by Physick. But in situations where everybodys HP is dropping super fast from unavoidable AoE, there isn't much I can do. Everybody is constantly losing HP, but I can't just cast Adloquium on the tank to heal the dps, since he's taking that AoE plus the damage of the boss/adds. So I have to focus on my healing, and hope my fairy heals the dps, until a point where the tank is fairly stabilized and I can spare 2.3s to cast and another 2.5s gcd.

It feels almost 100% useless to use Succor in these situations. It heals for me around 150 HP, and with the constant damage the bubble is eaten instantly. I'd have to spam succor around 8 times to fully heal everybody from them being around 40-60% health. I know that's not its use, and I would be instantly OOM if I did that of course, but the crazy low potency bubble on it makes it feel pointless to cast for a bubble, and same for the heals. I feel like Succor really has no place on my action bar. I don't know if it changes later, but that's how it feels to me right now.

Maybe it would be better if it was made into an AoE 250 potency Bubble. I feel like it needs to specialize. Maybe if it was a pure bubble, it would be good to cast BEFORE an AoE to prevent the damage, as opposed to trying to work with a measly cure and bubble effect that don't really do much of anything together.

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One thing that NEEDS to be changed, is our fairy/summoners pets dying from instant death abilities. After running Sunken Temple a few times, it is IMPOSSIBLE to keep pets alive in the first fight. Yes, they follow you fairly closely, but not closely enough to be standing on the correct spots to be safe from Doom. Once I lose my fairy I lose most of my heals, and my mana starts dropping a ton faster. For that fight I can't just use Swiftcast to re-summon her either. Not only will she just die the next Doom cast, but I need to save Swiftcast for when somebody dies.

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Originally Posted by peaches

One thing that NEEDS to be changed, is our fairy/summoners pets dying from instant death abilities. After running Sunken Temple a few times, it is IMPOSSIBLE to keep pets alive in the first fight.

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Ugh, this is so true. My fairy died every time I ran that dungeon and I've only gotten one tank to stun the boss when he casts Doom. Its much easier if you do it that way...Back to the point, she dies very easily.

You can manually tell your pet to run to the tile to clear Doom. Now Aurum Vale is something where the pet dies and you can't do anything about it.

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Originally Posted by Eccho

Scholar is perfectly balanced until you reach titan. If you haven't reached titan yet then you don't understand the drastic differences between White Mage and Scholar. Firstly you can not run with 2 scholars. unlike White mages our skills don't stack. We can't stack our bubbles they don't even refresh duration unless the next heal is larger than the first. A white mage can stack medica II with another white mage that alone is enough of a reason not to take a scholar into Titan. Why take a scholar when you can have another WHM.

The scholar is not currently balanced for the high big damage fights. You think scholar is balanced because a WHM doesn't out heal you in Ifrit... I don't even bother healing in Ifrit no one takes enough damage to warrant two healers come back and speak to me once you've been told to GTFO from Titan because of your class.

We don't need a buff just some small alterations that make us a viable option.

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Just like how titan and coil shows that warrior is inferior to paladin . Coil and titan show that sch is inferior to whm atm.

Aoe wise
Whm gets a 200 potency heal that applies a 100 potency regen(total regen potency 500) overall 700potency which is both preemptive and great healing
Along with a 300 potency aoe heal as a burst heal

Sch get a 150 potency heal with a 150 potency shield which is a preemptive heal. Sch don't get another reliable aoe heal even we should have a burst aoe heal since it is an essential tool.

Schs option to deal with aoe damage is preemptive succor >cast succor and instant succor 150+150 +150+150=for 3 spell casts 600 potency healed +150hp temp shield left on target. Which means sch needs to cast moar suckers to do the same amount of hp healing as whm.
Whm option to deal with aoe is preemptive medica 2 >cast medica and instant medica 200+500 +300+300=For 3 spell cast 1300 potency healed (then straight back to tank healing!)

Whm can regen and chain cast cure 2 on a tank for great tank healing. Oh shit heals are benediction and instant cure3.
Sch cannot chain aql since there is often overlap in shielding thus wasting potency so they must physick>aql>physick>aql etc. Lustrate and instant physick is our ohshit heal.
The faerie isn't as reliable when it comes to tank healing (read my previous post to see why)due to conflicting gcd timers(3 second vs 2.4), not being controlled while casting and occasionally healing someone else so being unable to direct the heal to tank. so often the sch healing rotation works like this.
sch rotation aql=600,physick=400,embrace=250
Aql>physick>embrace>Aql>physick>Aql>physick>embrace=3500(+250 if you manage to get off another embrace) potency over 10 seconds. So basically sch needs too add lustrate to its rotation to keep up. Lustrate is the only thing keeping sch from being unviable(to some extent).
whm rotation regen=150(total 450 for 3 ticks) cure 2=650 potency
Regen>cure2>cure2>cure2>cure2>cure2>cure2=4350 potency over 10 seconds . Whm is just so reliable healing compared to sch. In titan/coil you want reliable and burst healing which whm offers.

Whm can also just instant 20 yard medica 2 for 700 raid healing and go back to tank healing compared sch who can instant 15 yard succor for 150 raid healing+150 shield.

There is also the fact whm can use its divine seal,regen and POM smartly to buff their healing output whenever they need it Whereas Sch's faerie just wastes its cool-downs.

I prefer Sch for easy farm-mode dungeons and ifrit/garuda . But when it comes to actual serious business content whm reliability and output makes them the clear choice. Similar to warrior and how warrior is so damn self sufficient in easy mode dungeons but they are a joke compared to paladins in coil.

Hopefully we see changes soon for pet ai and to bring up sch's aoe healing/stacking up a tad. At least there should be some changes in 2.1.

actualy every titan run I've done until now where I was paired with a SCH was much less stressfull on me than every single run made with a second WHM...

probably it is because u don't need a 1300 potency of healing (the only fight where I spam medica/medica II is demon wall when dps chose to ignore add... 1st stomp got nullified by SS+precasted Succor.... second and following Stomp are preshieldied and healed by a single medica I... Jump (the big aoe that crack the ring) pre-shielded by succor and reduced by the GT (I never rember that 10% dmg reductino GT) than healed by a medica II + succor (that will also work as preshielding for the next stomp)... and so on...

100% of the big aoe dmg that 2 whm will solve with double medica II can be solved with preshielding + medica II + succor (whose shiled will most likely work as a preshielding for the next aoe... unless u have dumb dps but that will still save the time and mana to heal them and u will use that mana and time to recast succor before the next aoe...)

it simply is a metter of timing the first succor before the aoe... once u do that right the aoe dmg for a whm+sch setupe is not a big problem... also note that adloquim is really better than cure II... with than in mind when couple with a whm sch focus on tank and whm focus on party helping each other when needed or when the section u'r taking care of is not in need of healing...

this is the point of view of a WHM that usually run 8 man content paired with a sch (guild mate that I usally run with) and can really feel the difference when paired with a second whm rather than a SCH...

PS: note that I still have to run coil... but as far as I've heard the problem there is the massive dmg on tank rather than the party... but still without personal experience I will refrain from comment on that untill I've done it myself with both healing setup

@sharazisspecial Have you tried putting your pet on Obey? Then you cast all her non spammable abilities when you want them rather than when she wants to. She will just use her spammable heal when on Obey. You need to recast Obey when zoning and logging in/out though.

swift cast insta summon fairy your arguments on fairy dying are now not so bad.....
i just wish she had more controll options, like if i hit obey she should spam embrace on my target anytime it is not at exactly 100% hp, not wait till hes half dead and heal automatically, i think it would be cool if she just stayed doing random heals on whoever , but if i set her to target someone she would spam like crazy on them, and also i wish she could follow me as well as my minion can lol, wtf at how my minion is always right with me, but shes 20ft back.... also i want to be able to make her cast embrace manually with switching her to cast every fkn heal she has mode, cause unlike some people i save her other moves

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Originally Posted by Comalol

adloquim is really better than cure II

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cure 2 650 potency hp healed
adlo 300 potency heal 300 potency shield
Adlo is worse then cure 2 because of numbers and the fact adlo can't be spammed like cure 2 can due to the fact 2 adlo back to back is wasted healing since shield doesnt stack.

medica 2 is also preemptive healing like succor. whm get both a preemptive aoe heal and a burst heal.

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swift cast insta summon fairy

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So i have blow instant cast cd on poorly designed fairy but whm gets to swiftcast medica/medica 2/raise even furthering the gap

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@sharazisspecial Have you tried putting your pet on Obey

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Eos still wastes her aoe heal when i have obey on

Anyway folks i have done the math and seen the difference in healing. I have tested sch in coil and now i will play whm in coil instead. When se fix sch issue i will use in challenging place but not atm

With only a 150 potency aoe heal i need to chain cast it spending more time not healing the tank. Compared to whm who can toss a 700 total potency aoe heal and go back to tank healing.

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Originally Posted by sharazisspecial

Adlo is worse then cure 2 because of numbers and the fact adlo can't be spammed like cure 2 can due to the fact 2 adlo back to back is wasted healing

medica 2 is also preemptive healing like succor

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Why would you spam a heal with a shield while the shield is still up? If your saying that WHM raw HP throughput is higher when you get yourself in trouble and need to dig yourself out of an HP deficit... well yeah. The difference is that you can cast that Adlo sooner in the HP deficit and not have to worry about overhealing. Ultimately it's a spell better suited to keeping you from getting into an HP deficit in the first place.

Lets stop comparing Medica II to Succor. Succor is almost a carbon copy of Medica I. If your going to compare Medica II to anything, compare it to Whispering Dawn.

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Originally Posted by Draemos

Whispering Dawn.

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I have a whispering dawn spell? All i see is a greyed out on cooldown spell.

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Lets stop comparing Medica II to Succor. Succor is almost a carbon copy of Medica I

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Why? you can preemptively cast medica 2 same way as you can preemptively cast succor. To easy up the healing required from the aoe.

Sch lacks a burst aoe healing tool. They dont have a medica equivalent so they waste half the succor spell effect to bring the raid's hp back up. Same would happen if SE removed medica from whm, whm would have to waste half of medica2's effect if it wasn't enough healing.

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Originally Posted by sharazisspecial

Just like how titan and coil shows that warrior is inferior to paladin . Coil and titan show that sch is inferior to whm atm.

Aoe wise
Whm gets a 200 potency heal that applies a 100 potency regen(total regen potency 500) overall 700potency which is both preemptive and great healing
Along with a 300 potency aoe heal as a burst heal

Sch get a 150 potency heal with a 150 potency shield which is a preemptive heal. Sch don't get another reliable aoe heal even we should have a burst aoe heal since it is an essential tool.

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You are ignoring whispering dawn. It has the same AoE potency as Medica II (700), costs no mana, and generates no threat for the caster at the price of having only a 35% uptime.

I'm not saying it's as good as Medica II (it isn't and it shouldn't be). But completely ignoring that ability to prop up your argument is disingenuous.

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Originally Posted by Draemos

You are ignoring whispering dawn. It has the same AoE potency as Medica II (700), costs no mana, and generates no threat for the caster at the price of having only a 35% uptime.

I'm not saying it's as good as Medica II (it isn't and it shouldn't be). But completely ignoring that ability to prop up your argument is disingenuous.

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You are ignoring we have no control over when fairy uses it. It has a hefty cooldown too. Unreliable and thus lower numbers that why whm is better atm till SE fix sch.

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Originally Posted by sharazisspecial

I have a whispering dawn spell? All i see is a greyed out on cooldown spell.



Why? you can preemptively cast medica 2 same way as you can preemptively cast succor. To easy up the healing required from the aoe.

Sch lacks a burst aoe healing tool. They dont have a medica equivalent so they waste half the succor spell effect to bring the raid's hp back up.

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There is several tips about how to control your pet in this thread to prevent it from casting unwanted spells while still using embrace. SCH pet control is an issue and unintuitive, but that's THE ISSUE. Not giving you more healing throughput.

Continually comparing Medica II to Succor is just going to get you put on my troll list. It's a nonsense comparison when Succor is obviously a 1:1 copy of Medica I

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Originally Posted by Draemos

There is several tips about how to control your pet in this thread to prevent it from casting unwanted spells while still using embrace. SCH pet control is an issue and unintuitive, but that's THE ISSUE. Not giving you more healing throughput.

Continually comparing Medica II to Succor is just going to get you put on my troll list. It's a nonsense comparison when Succor is obviously a 1:1 copy of Medica I

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Obey does not stop faerie from wasting it

Succor is preemptive healing
Medica 2 can be preemptive healing
You would never ever cast medica on a full hp raid would you? But you would cast succor/medica2 on a full hp raid to prep for aoe damage.

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Originally Posted by sharazisspecial

You are ignoring we have no control over when fairy uses it along. It has a hefty cooldown too. Unreliable and lower numbers that why whm is better atm till SE fix sch.

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You're ignoring several tips about how to control your fairy. Regardless, the issue is pet control. If you want to post about improving that, you'll not see a single complaint from me.

Petitioning to increase your healing throughput when your pet control is the real problem is not something I'm going to support. Mostly because they will probably fix your pet control and then you'll be ridiculously overpowered.

I have said before
obey does not prevent it blowing whispering dawn

Pet dies extremely fast to residual aoe or mob conal. Place is great way to get it killed . Placing it near tank(where there is less residual aoe) will result in a poor aoe radius for whispering dawn. We cannot control pet movement while casting. Expect sch to spend 2 second every xxx to move their pet is 2 second in which tanks are not getting heals. Not affordable in coil.

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Originally Posted by sharazisspecial

Obey does not stop faerie from wasting it

Succor is preemptive healing
Medica 2 can be preemptive healing
You would never ever cast medica on a full hp raid would you? But you would cast succor/medica2 on a full hp raid to prep for aoe damage.

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It's irrelevant because you are ignoring your most potent healing spell (which is also preemptive) and Medica IIs peer due to pet issues. Your presenting data in a skewed way to prop up an argument.

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Originally Posted by sharazisspecial

I have said before
obey does not prevent it blowing whispering dawn

Pet dies extremely fast to residual aoe or tank conal. Place is great way to get it killed . Placing it near tank(where there is less residual aoe) will result in a poor aoe radius for whispering dawn. We cannot control pet movement while casting. Expect sch to spend 2 second every xxx to move their pet is 2 second in which tanks are not getting heals.

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I'm pretty sure it's Steady, not Obey. The thing is you have to put her back on Steady after you use an ability, because it flips her switch to active.

Regardless, those are pet control problems. That should be your focus.

So sch is currently inferior to whm in coil because of pet issues. They are unreliable and thus have lower numbers. I was never wrong.

SE can fix this sch inferiority by either fixing our pet control issues or increasing our healing.

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Originally Posted by sharazisspecial

So sch is currently inferior to whm because of pet issues. They are unreliable and thus have lower numbers. I was never wrong. SE can fix this sch inferiority by either fixing our pet control issues or increasing our healing.

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Sure, I'll give you that much. But you should definitely not have your healing increased. The pet control needs to be fixed. You don't patch a hole in the wall by painting over it.

Scholars don't need a buff at all. Players need to learn the fight instead. Stop comparing our raw AOE healing to whm. If you want raw AOE roll a whm . We can prevent so much damage. Steps fo big AOE. Cast covenant, succor, SS, illumination, succor 30% damage reduction plus pre shield with 20% buff. We need a fix not buff. Whispering need slight range increase and auto cast turned off plus pet macros and we are set. If you think we need a buff you are doing it wrong. I do agreed better proc rate on SS would be nice

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We need a fix not buff

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fixes are buffs -.-

Personal opinion, sch only need 2 things:

Option to directly disable pet abilites from auto cast similar to WoW (it was a right click-toggle to turn auto-use for abilities on and off for pets). This needs no explaining as to why.

Medica. Just plain 300 potency AOE heal. Succor alone is just plain bad in practice, since if you're trying to heal multiple people up in any situation without a WHM in the party, it will take the SCH twice as long, and twice the mp to do it, time being the biggest price to pay for succor since the tank has the most damage to worry about.

The following shield isn't a factor in most of these situations if the group isn't taking consecutive hits. Individually healing each person between the fairy, physic, and maybe quick lustrates just feels like it does the job alot better, while succor is only good at efficiently pre-shielding a group. I mean we have the choice between single target heals for sch, and that works very well, yet the lack of alternatives for efficient aoe healing has me playing the triage game with my single target heals when multiple people take heavy damage most of the time, made worse by the fact you have a tank taking consistent damage that needs attention at the same time. In my experience, succor is really that inefficient to use when it comes to time, and MP spent.

A combination of not having a medica (or whatever you want to call a SCH equivalent of it), or simpler pet control makes it so much easier for a SCH to fall behind in 4 person light parties with no WHM to make up for intense group damage. I'm sure no one here needs to be told why Arurum Vale and demon wall are so much harder for any normal SCHs to deal with. Right now, I cannot name a single scenario that normal WHMs would have such an increase in level of difficulty to heal compared to a SCH.

I don't think SCH need any direct number buffs, cure 3s, medica 2s, benedictions, proshells, 18% stoneskins, or anything else WHMs have to their name; they can still have that AOE healing superiority with it. Just a meaningful option for AOE healing when it matters (which would only take as much effort as putting the 'SCH' tag on medica) similar in value to the options SCHs have for single target healing to go along with pet control fixes.

Or at the very least, a succor potency buff would be welcome... 200-250 would be passable.

I don't understand what the issue is. The only thing WHM has over SCH is burst AoE healing, and not having to deal w/ a pet dying. Everything else (single target, sustainability, etc.) SCH does better. I think the only thing SCH needs is pet control improvements and pet skill macro support. If SCH gets medica, there would be no reason to bring WHM at all.

The best healing lineup for 8 man parties is 1 SCH 1 WHM.

This post is a joke ? Why buff heals of SCH ?
Main heal is WHM!! SCH is support heal/buffer. Is obvious WHM will heal more than SCH.

Why a healer is considered support for another class? A support cant stand on its own, which is a very terrible design. You aint understanding both SCH AND WHM.

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Originally Posted by jgg1988

This post is a joke ? Why buff heals of SCH ?
Main heal is WHM!! SCH is support heal/buffer. Is obvious WHM will heal more than SCH.

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this is actually wrong under so many point of view...

1) there is no distinction between main heal and side healer (like there should not be between pld and war but unfortunately they really can feel the difference... and we as healer can feel it too -_-')
2) sch are actually better MT healer than WHM while WHM are better group healer than SCH... so if u want to call one of the 2 classes a main healer than it should be the SCH... (even if as said before there is not an actual distintion since both of them can cover either role... is simply that one cover a specific role a little better than the other...


all in all... WHM+SCH are the best setup... I'm usually running this setup with a guild mate... every time I run pug and get a second WHM I really feel the difference.. even not so good SCH feel better than a second good WHM sometime... and I asked other WHM I parted with if they felt the same having always the affermative answer from them...

what really SCH need... is a serious improvement on the pet... the ability to macro the pet skill... the ability to set the pet into a REAL steady stance (not one that is overwritten every time u give him the orther to use a single skill -_-')...

SCH is actually a LITTLE (while on the paper should be a sensible margin) better than WHM as single target healing... this because the pet sometime act on his own using skill not needed in that moment or healing a differnt target that what u would like for her to heal...
SCH is actually a LOT (while always on the paper should be behind but not that much) less performing of WHM on group healing due to the pet firing his aoe regen whenever he want instead of when YOU want

still... smart using of SCH shielding heals (yes even succor with his small shield) can be of great help during fight with big aoe transition (primals fights for example) and makes the job of the WHM lot easier while the SCH can istantly turn his attention on the tank leaving the party totally to the whm that will be safe without looking at the MT health for a good 2 or 3 gcd...

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This post is a joke ? Why buff heals of SCH ?
Main heal is WHM!! SCH is support heal/buffer. Is obvious WHM will heal more than SCH.

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Your entitlement makes you not worth responding to.

Just make it so the fairy never uses the cooldown skills unless you command it to.

Buff Sustain's heal, pet hp for both summoner and scholar by 30-50%, and make sustain remove debuffs off the pet.

Double succor's potency.

And BTW being a better tank healer means nothing. What kills a group in most encounters is not the tank dying -- it's aoe damage to the group forcing the healers to divert attention.

Thats why SCH is currently inferior to WHM. Tank healing is moot if you are geared sufficiently, both WHM and SCH can do their job fine, but SCH struggles during high AoE damage phases while WHM breezes through with 2 high HPS aoes. Shielded AoE is too situational (read: constant damage required to maximize its effect), while most AoE in this game are spiky. Pet needs to be fixed ASAP, and let SCH micros its pet regardless of GCD. Otherwise, I suggest healers switch to WHM to really experience the difference. Afterall most gears are shared between healers classes.

With manual pet healing/proper pet placement the only fight I have found whm to be necessary is Titan and that is only for stomps past heart. Coil Turn 1 is all Sch specially the end boss. Same with Turn 2 I much prefer shields and sustained heal over whm burst cure....

Basically, the main problem the way I see it, is the lack of control over our Fairy. If we could have total control over her AoE HoT, this would be a far lesser issue. Succor and Whispering Dawn seem made for each other, when cast together or in quick succession. It won't have the 'burst' of a WHM, but it should suffice in most situations, especially when further combined with Fey Illumination. In my opinion, this was in fact SE's intent, yet their execution is unfortunately flawed due to archaic and frustrating pet mechanics.
Just give us a way to stop the pet from blowing it's cooldowns all the time and halve the cooldown on Whispering Dawn and the issue is gone.

Did you not see my number calcs? whm base tanks heals is much higher potency then sch.Until Sch puts in lustrates then the sch catches up and beats whm until they run out of lustrate where they will fall behind again. Whm in same gear also heals like 40hp more then sch with same potency spells i have noticed.
Whm cure heals 880-912hp
sch physick heals 850-880
In same gear. That widens a gap a little too.

Also remember that due to whms crazy aoe heals. They can just cast 1 20yard medica 2 and go straight back to tank healing compared to sch who has to use succor a few times.

Due to the crappy fairy control schs potential healing is nerfed.

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If we could have total control over her AoE HoT,

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I would like them to give it more range, less duration but less cooldown. So it becomes more of preemptive reactionary tool to deal with aoe for which sch is at such a disadvantage. Whereas whm can tank heal just fine.