Institute Temporary AFK Kick Timer

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Originally Posted by Bouteiller

I enjoy this debate because it's a symptom of a larger social problem. Selfish pricks log in and stay in without regard for anyone else. Considerate people log in, play, then log out so others may play. There is very little else I could do to the pricks that life hasn't already so I'm fine just continuing to be a considerate player.

An AFK timer would be a good start to help alleviate the 1017 wall many are encountering.

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Sounds like you be "considerate" for the wrong reasons. You have a very self-righteous attitude about it which isn't healthy.

Also, the only time you're being "considerate" is during prime hours but you're playing at that time probably. The people staying logged in over-night don't hurt anything as the server isn't congested then.

What's irritating is being online, crafting, and then get the 9000 error and can't get in for what's going on 20 minutes. Seriously, something needs fixing. How are people going to raid if someone gets booted for an unknown reason and gets the world is full message? Even regular instances?

Have you guys not read the latest letter? he mentioned an AFK kicker will be in the works...

honestly, you people.

An AFK timer really doesn't do anything. It's childishly simple to circumvent. It's more of a "feel-better" feature than anything that actually helps.

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Originally Posted by Rekujen

Have you guys not read the latest letter? he mentioned an AFK kicker will be in the works...

honestly, you people.

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And then you'll see all the AFKers jumping or running in circles while botted to prevent this. I don't bot, but really, I can't blame people for not wanting carpal tunnel by clicking past a 1017 error.

AFK timer is more like a little, itty bitty tiny lock on your luggage for airports.

It won't really stop anyone, its just there to keep an honest person honest.

*** Honestly. At the moment I'm less appalled by the AFKers as much as the fact that gold selling bots have made it on the servers and is spamming. Boot them first. :|

First major broken promise everyon is asking for an AFK timer and it is being ignored by the Director.

How ignorant to launch a game without one.

It's standard and should be done.

RECONSIDER!!!!

The people trying to defend that never logging out isn't a problem is hilarious. I cant tell if there trolling or not.

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Originally Posted by Meiyu

And then you'll see all the AFKers jumping or running in circles while botted to prevent this. I don't bot, but really, I can't blame people for not wanting carpal tunnel by clicking past a 1017 error.

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Luckily, that's not as common as you'd think. The only ones that were known for doing this in WoW were the people AFK in battlegrounds.

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Originally Posted by Leonas

At the moment I'm less appalled by the AFKers as much as the fact that gold selling bots have made it on the servers and is spamming. Boot them first.

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Re: Gold Spammers - I made a thread suggesting a report option from the chatbox with a silence function built in. Basically, you report the spamming bot, it silences them so their spam no longer shows up on your chatbox and reports them to special task force so that they can evaluate their account.

sadly i was a nice guy logged in about 5am this morning and logged out when i had to leave just so someone else could play...and what do i get, a nice hard shaft when i return....cant even call up the na/eu server. if your not going to implement 15 min idle kicks then put in a rolling server restart every hour til you add more servers. maybe ill play the ass and just log in at 4 or 5 am then just stay in although i hate that idea. i guess were just suppose to be brutal and careless just screw over the next person so i can play when im ready to play.

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Originally Posted by Valthein

sadly i was a nice guy logged in about 5am this morning and logged out when i had to leave just so someone else could play...and what do i get, a nice hard shaft when i return....cant even call up the na/eu server. if your not going to implement 15 min idle kicks then put in a rolling server restart every hour til you add more servers. maybe ill play the ass and just log in at 4 or 5 am then just stay in although i hate that idea. i guess were just suppose to be brutal and careless just screw over the next person so i can play when im ready to play.

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I guess I ahve to be an ass as well until they fix this. No more loggin out when I am done playing and if this sint fixed, I will cancel my subscription until it is. They don't need my money until they deliver on service.

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Originally Posted by Quesse

SE please spend your time fixing the server problems so logging in will work fine instead of wasting your time implementing this useless solution.

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Exactly. Totally agree.

"Quit being stupid. If you aren't going to actually play then you have no reason to be in the game.
15 minutes is more than enough time for an AFK kick timer. If you get kicked and still want to play then you can log back in. In the meantime it will fix the congestion issues and allow everybody to actually play the game."

This is stupid. Only reason people are stayin logged in is to avoid havin to go through the trouble of getting back in again. I've had to spend hours trying to get logged on so when I finally get in after those HOURS I spent trying to get in, I'll be damned if I'm logging the hell out. There shouldn't be a afk timer because later on the people that whined & bitched about it will be the same damn people whining & bitching for it to be gone. SE just needs to get new servers etc to remedy the situation. People will be more inclined to log the hell out if they know they won't be having anymore issues trying to get back in later. THAT's the issue.

people can hate me but im not login out when I get in next time, the game is online there should but room for 1mil players.

I am for kicking the afk'ers. It's extremely frustrating getting the world is full message and EVEN MORE SO when I come into every town and city has people just standing there...

By staying logged in, you are contributing to the problem.

1. More players AFK means less spots for active players.
2. Less active spots means more players get 1017.
3. More players getting 1017, means even more players stressing the login system by repeated logins.
4. Stressed login system means some players can't either login or even view their characters.

My valuable playtime is as equally valuable as yours. I don't see why my time is any less important than any one elses (let alone more important). Be respectful and humble and logoff when your done :)

This needs to be a thing already!

More then 1/2 of my old FC never logout and they rubber band a control in their Inn room...so a better work around will be needed....

You're wasting your breath on raged people looking to blame somebody, and maybe they should be blaming someone... like SE, for not having the servers capable of holding it's player base.

This all just goes to show how stupid humans get when they form an angry mob against things they don't understand.

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Originally Posted by Vaughn

AFK kicking is the only short term solution for now. Take last night for example. A maintenance window was announced and so people actually started logging out instead of staying AFK. As a result multiple people in my FC including me were actually able to logon around 11 pm EST for the first time in 3 days.

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I logged off and was unable to log back in for the rest of the night -_-

Today, Im trying to log in for... 2 hours 51 minutes so far...

...Obviously there is a different team for programming in game features and another team for bringing up the new servers... Priority needs to be getting people into the game, then working on improving it..... SOOOoo, Saying it will be implemented after current plans is NOT ACCEPTABLE. I fail to see how SE is addressing the issue immediately? Saying "oh we will have it fixed eventually" really is only a pacification.

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Originally Posted by xkrimepayzx

The people trying to defend that never logging out isn't a problem is hilarious. I cant tell if there trolling or not.

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Its not the problem. The problem is the server infrastructure. Once its fixed it won't matter if people don't log out.

Never mattered in FFXI or FFXIV 1.0 and it won't in 2.0 once the servers are fixed.

People are screaming for the wrong solution like whiny babies because they can't wait 2 more days.

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Originally Posted by Hairspray

People forget FFXI had this.... *snip*

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As I recall it was first optional, and second customizable - not hard set to 15 minutes. That would be incredibly rediculous.

People are acting as if auto booting a small number of afkers would suddenly make it so they didn't have to wait in que to get in game. Check out the numbers of concurrent users that they've posted. They weren't ready for this. People log out and immediately their spot is taken, and people are still waiting.

The priority needs to be on making it possible to have MANY more concurrent users and fixing the duty finder so people aren't sitting around waiting on it. AFKing (literal) isn't as big an issue as some are making it.

I have characters on 4 different servers and haven't seen afkers in any large number... in fact I haven't seen any.

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Originally Posted by Quesse

Its not the problem. The problem is the server infrastructure. Once its fixed it won't matter if people don't log out.

Never mattered in FFXI or FFXIV 1.0 and it won't in 2.0 once the servers are fixed.

People are screaming for the wrong solution like whiny babies because they can't wait 2 more days.

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Yup, every time I see someone complain about not being able to get in it makes me laugh. At least they told us when and what they are doing to fix the problem. If you are not aware that they are making server changes in a few days then you cant read.

I'm sick and tired keep getting disconnected from the server and unable to login with in an hour or more!

AFK kick feature will be pointless. People are assuming that AFK is the problem and it's not. Every single time I've been in a que, it didn't matter where I was at(highest I've seen is like 160ish)within a minute I was logged in. This shows people are constantly logging out just like they are logging in. Unless something is very wrong with the log in que, one must presume people are taking the time to log out of the game, when they aren't being kicked out by the system when a problem arrises, that is. The problem here is the login que was ill-equipped to handle the demand. I've never seen more than 160ish people in que, and usually when I get through to the que, I see like 35 people. It's really sad how hard the log in que fails.

I don't like auto kick features in MMOs, and no, they are not the standard unless it's a freebie game. It should be a last resort option for a pay game.

Yea please put this AFK kicker in game, what is the point staying in the game without playing/chatting/moving around?
If you don't play you have to logout, EASY PEASY.

You guys shouldn't wait on implementing the AFK kick. You can work on it in tandem with server optimizations. I promise you, getting the AFK kick in place will greatly help the strain on the servers and it will make many players happy which will reduce some of the extreme negative word of mouth and reputation surrounding this game.

I still think people should realize the plethora of issues they're already trying to fix. If anything AFK kick will come after the expansion of servers

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Originally Posted by Sebazy

Go download something like Quakeworld, setup your own server, have a bunch of clients sit idle and watch the servers CPU usage, now get them all running around, firing at each other and interacting with the level. You'll quite literally see a tenfold increase in CPU usage on the server. Not to mention that idle players are not even impacting on the portion of SE's infrastructure that is actually the root of all this whole problem.

A good portion of the FFXIV "community" is really showing it's lack of insight over this situation.

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You're a true idiot if you think that's the problem. The problem is a fixed set of "seats". AFK players take up those seats that could've been used by someone with more activity. This is a game to be played, not a game to sit in idly. The f*ck is wrong with people's reading comprehension.

I beg to differ, I've got experience running various game servers going right back to NetQuake and even a couple of mildly popular emulated UO servers (Which was massively inefficient and resource heavy in it's day). The problem is actually that the fixed number of seats are calculated by a theoretical CPU usage across a given player base. You remember the first couple of days of early access where SE gradually ramped up the servers until they crashed? They weren't out to torture the playerbase, they were simply working out what the servers could handle and simply dialling it back a little from the point where their infrastructure got swamped. Both idle and active players would have been factored in by this process. Please remember that this isn't an FPS server where it's assumed that every player is going to be active.

Lets not forget though, the truest mark of an idiot is someone who brings little more than slander and insults to the debating table. Over to you!

An AFK time and boot is entirely essential to the game. Please implement it Square Enix... on top of the queue system for logging into a server that you need to implement. The two in tandem, on top of server expansions will make a huge difference, and will calm the playerbase.

Thank you.
Concerned Customer,
Zack

This helps explain why an "afk kicker" won't work to make it so that more can log in. http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/1l7n5x/

Seriously, people need to try to understand how this all works rather than trying to go from an uninformed perceived "easy button" idea to fix things. Even if they put in an afk feature, people STILL would have the same exact problem in the same high numbers. Capacity is set at 230,000 concurrent users - with a current estimated need of 350,000 (which is probably still wrong). Do you honestly think there are tens of thousands of afkers? Or, just thousands with only a couple thousand who can't log in?

People want a scapegoat to blame and afk people are it.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

People want a scapegoat to blame and afk people are it.

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Hit the nail on the head methinks

I read to the 7th page and got tired.

The reason why the auto-kick AFK function does not exist is because, they did not have it in their other MMO which has been around for almost 11 years now, as well as ffxiv 1.0 so players could run an in-game shop. I am going to make an assumption that most of the AFKers are previous FFXI / FFXIV players. As well as that in 1-2 months from now, the population will have decreased a significant amount meaning there is no real reason to implement an auto-kick in the first place.

This is a week 1 launch of an MMO, there will be issues, be patient, it is a virtue after all.

It's 2013, a proper Queue system and Idle Out mechanic are not some hocus-pocus magic trick. They are standard features that should be put in place to address long term issues. The cycle of World Full->No Queue->Back to Lobby will begin again when they release a heavily advertised expansion or large patch. The adding of servers is a short solution that could be costly if/when the population declines during the course of the game's life.

Don't understand why this isn't in the game, I guess I can understand why it wasn't at early access or launch day....oh wait no I can't. This is one of the things that would actually help the servers please add this...

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Originally Posted by SekiShiki

Yea please put this AFK kicker in game, what is the point staying in the game without playing/chatting/moving around?
If you don't play you have to logout, EASY PEASY.

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If I don't play, that doesn't mean I have to log out, you people really need to stop this afk timer bullshit it really won't help, and will cause the players getting more grief than the players trying to log in. I have been playing since beta and it only ever takes me a max of about 10 minutes trying to log in to actually get in, you people stating it takes hours upon hours to log in, are blowing things way out of proportion. In no way does it take hours to log in, stop over exaggerating and trying to force other players off the server just because it takes you a few minutes to log in.

-1 on afk timer

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Originally Posted by seikenflash

If I don't play, that doesn't mean I have to log out, you people really need to stop this afk timer bullshit it really won't help, and will cause the players getting more grief than the players trying to log in. I have been playing since beta and it only ever takes me a max of about 10 minutes trying to log in to actually get in, you people stating it takes hours upon hours to log in, are blowing things way out of proportion. In no way does it take hours to log in, stop over exaggerating and trying to force other players off the server just because it takes you a few minutes to log in.

-1 on afk timer

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Today I was trying to log in (off and on) for 6 straight hours without success. Then I finally got logged in and the first time I teleported after about 15 minutes I got kicked. Haven't been able to get back in since.

I promise you very few people are exaggerating.