RP shout ads are obstructive to chat and gameplay

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Originally Posted by Bonoki

Got me there, but I never said the devs were perfect lol

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What I meant is that he knows what his community is like because he... well himself is pretty much part of that community xD

All the exaggeration aside I feel like a lot of people have forgotten what it's like to be playing the popular MMO, or simply never experienced it. Because I'm seeing a lot of people say it's just the XIV community, and I'm not gonna say this is the most normal community, but yeah I remember how it used to be in other MMOs in their time. I remember a youtube video from ages ago talking about this subject and why weirdos flock to these types of games when they're doing well. and it's simple, easier to find people who are down, and into it.

We also have to acknowledge how much this community wanted everyone and their grandmother to play XIV, they literally posted that horrid meme on every sub reddit, every twitch chat, every comment section, I've watched several streamers who dont even play MMOs have it in their twitch chat. In the end it's equal parts the community AND the fact that xiv is doing well like so many wanted.

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Originally Posted by Bonoki

Honestly bro I don't even know what you're talking about and how it relates to what I said, but you sure seem to make a whole lot of baseless assumptions about me. lol

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Shall we go back to what you said? Sure.

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"Most of the ones I have spoken to will always say stuff like, "I am an RP vet, I have been RPing for 15 - 20 years". And when you put the math together you find out they started when they were like 12 or 13. But then you look around at all these 18+ only places and it makes me wonder how a 13-year-old can begin in an RP hobby when everyone is so adamant about age."

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Answer: they don't begin RP in this game. That was the answer you "apparently" can't figure out.

I could be considered an RP vet, as I have been engaging in Role Playing activities for at least 20 years. How about you?

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

Shall we go back to what you said? Sure.



Answer: they don't begin RP in this game. That was the answer you "apparently" can't figure out.

I could be considered an RP vet, as I have been engaging in Role Playing activities for at least 20 years. How about you?

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Please go back into whatever bridge you crawled out of until you're ready to have a real discussion without making stuff up that nobody said by twisting their words. Thanks have a nice day troll.

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Originally Posted by VirusOnline

Hm, this is a bit difficult to approach as we're sort of switching things up here.
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As you yourself point out, the teenager will have access to these media, without being able to understand their full significance. But we still feel that giving them a glimpse is necessary, even beneficial. As Bonoki says above, cutting children off from complicated subjects can even lead to a lack of maturity. In RP, you'll adopt the same approach: you'll take into account the age of the player in front of you, and approach the subject by simplifying it. In this case, immaturity will be taken into account as an RP fact, no more, no less. In fact, that's why everyone I've seen in RP generally advises taking on characters who can mirror the player's age IRL. In that sense, it's not a limitation, just a character trait like any other. X is immature, still young, impulsive; Y is too reckless, grumpy and disillusioned. In the context of the RP, these are just some of the factors that will prompt you to ask yourself how your character reacts to such personalities.

At no point are you going to have deep conversations about geopolitics, philosophy or literature; that's not what you're looking for when you RP. It can be a possibility, but the activity isn't limited to that. If that's the interaction you're looking for, a group of friends is indeed much more likely to provide it.


As for your first point: on the contrary, I think the comparison is valid, even if I understand the difference you want to emphasize. Through the media, it's indeed an adult who interacts with the world.

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With RP/online interactions, like before, you don't have that.

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Do some RP enthusiasts have a pronounced escapism? Yes, like those who are avid consumers of video games, romance novels or B-movies. Is this the norm? No, I don't think so. I would, however, like someone to justify to me how RP makes it easier to blur the line between what's real and what's not; it's a phrase I've often seen repeated (echoing, ironically, what was said about video games), without anyone being able to justify it to me rationally. So in what way do the usual media cause a clearer separation than the average RP gamer?

It's possible that I'm projecting my own experience onto this opinion; but in my experience, my own persona is all the more perceptible in RP because embodying a character forces me to make decisions I wouldn't normally make - and thus to see the gap between character and player.

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Originally Posted by Merrigan

As you yourself point out, the teenager will have access to these media, without being able to understand their full significance. But we still feel that giving them a glimpse is necessary, even beneficial. As Bonoki says above, cutting children off from complicated subjects can even lead to a lack of maturity. In RP, you'll adopt the same approach: you'll take into account the age of the player in front of you, and approach the subject by simplifying it. In this case, immaturity will be taken into account as an RP fact, no more, no less. In fact, that's why everyone I've seen in RP generally advises taking on characters who can mirror the player's age IRL. In that sense, it's not a limitation, just a character trait like any other. X is immature, still young, impulsive; Y is too reckless, grumpy and disillusioned. In the context of the RP, these are just some of the factors that will prompt you to ask yourself how your character reacts to such personalities.

At no point are you going to have deep conversations about geopolitics, philosophy or literature; that's not what you're looking for when you RP. It can be a possibility, but the activity isn't limited to that. If that's the interaction you're looking for, a group of friends is indeed much more likely to provide it.


As for your first point: on the contrary, I think the comparison is valid, even if I understand the difference you want to emphasize. Through the media, it's indeed an adult who interacts with the world.



Do some RP enthusiasts have a pronounced escapism? Yes, like those who are avid consumers of video games, romance novels or B-movies. Is this the norm? No, I don't think so. I would, however, like someone to justify to me how RP makes it easier to blur the line between what's real and what's not; it's a phrase I've often seen repeated (echoing, ironically, what was said about video games), without anyone being able to justify it to me rationally. So in what way do the usual media cause a clearer separation than the average RP gamer?

It's possible that I'm projecting my own experience onto this opinion; but in my experience, my own persona is all the more perceptible in RP because embodying a character forces me to make decisions I wouldn't normally make - and thus to see the gap between character and player.

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As I don't wish to further get away from the OP, I'll leave it at that I think quite a bit of your last few posts do have projection.
Some people just do not wish to interact with teens/people younger than them and that's that.

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Originally Posted by VirusOnline

As I don't wish to further get away from the OP, I'll leave it at that I think quite a bit of your last few posts do have projection.
Some people just do not wish to interact with teens/people younger than them and that's that.

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I understand, thank you for the discussion.

Man the mods really cleaned up 14 pages worth of comments? Sheesh
Bottom line being that the venue ads are getting overwhelming for a large number of people, and I'd like to see a new feature implemented for this type of stuff so that it's not disruptive to everyone else. They either need something like fellowship finder or fellowship finder to be expanded on, allowing links in chat as if it were party finder, and an increased character limit. The alternative to this would be a chat channel that works like msgs you see like "seasonal event has just begun" so that people can see it anywhere, so they don't need to sit in one city waiting for these things. And then it would need a cooldown timer , just like the ones between tells or shouts , but much longer. Both of these ideas are significantly better for everyone than chat flooding.

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Originally Posted by tsuchii

As much as I dislike it too, it's not hurting anyone nor obstructing gameplay. Just ignore it and let people enjoy things - be it in their roleplaying.
As someone who AFKs in towns a lot, I don't mind it and I am used to it.
If I want peace and quiet, I'd hang in my house or somewhere quiet like Sharlayan.

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It actually does interfere with gameplay, as someone who's played this game since beta I can confirm this. You know how many people used to use shout chat for game related stuff 6 years ago compared to now? There used to be tons of content related shouts, from fate chains to hunt trains and savage carries at random , every day there was something. Now, the few things that do get shouted are swiftly buried under a pile of venue ads. It's taken over shout chat and completely destroyed the spontaneous random activities that many people joined in on, for what? So people can gather and violate tos with their mods and listen to a twitch dj stream stuff while they loop emotes? Myself and thousand upon thousands of players are forced to miss out on game related content because only mod dancing and nudes matter? We are all paying customers here. No side is more entitled than the other. Hence the suggestion to have a seperate place for community event advertising so people can use shout chat again without it being a constant wall of spam

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Originally Posted by Gordita

It actually does interfere with gameplay, as someone who's played this game since beta I can confirm this. You know how many people used to use shout chat for game related stuff 6 years ago compared to now? There used to be tons of content related shouts, from fate chains to hunt trains and savage carries at random , every day there was something. Now, the few things that do get shouted are swiftly buried under a pile of venue ads. It's taken over shout chat and completely destroyed the spontaneous random activities that many people joined in on, for what? So people can gather and violate tos with their mods and listen to a twitch dj stream stuff while they loop emotes? Myself and thousand upon thousands of players are forced to miss out on game related content because only mod dancing and nudes matter? We are all paying customers here. No side is more entitled than the other. Hence the suggestion to have a seperate place for community event advertising so people can use shout chat again without it being a constant wall of spam

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This is actually very well said. I work at a venue but seen the sheer spam in cities and agree. I thought fellowship was supposed to be used for venues.

Unfortunately, unless GM's get active in cities to monitor and grow the balls to do something. Nothing will happen.

I looked into the fellowship finder thing, and found that it's less than ideal for the situation. There's very low character limits, meaning venues won't be able to fit a shout macro wall of text into it to describe how they have the exact same stuff as everyone else who spams chat, along with their address. I'm looking at the fellowship finder right now, but since I'm on aether I can't actually open them to really look into it. So far I see nothing but fellowships for gays, trans, FC's and raiding. I adjusted the filters for rp and player events, all languages selected, to give as many results as possible. There's 0 results (Player events main, rp sub). Reversing the main and sub yields 3 results, seemingly discord communities.
I can see why people don't use the fellowship finder for venue ads, it's inconvenient. The tiny character limit prevents people from saying what they want to about their venue. The search function doesn't have appropriate filters (ie venue) for people to easily find venues that are open. In order for that to work , someone would need to make a new fellowship each day the venue is open so that new people could find it easily. Needless to say that would lead to it being overrun with spam from more active venues. It also lacks the functionality that party finder has where you're able to link the pf to chat for people to click on, read the details, etc
The best solution I can see is to add that missing functionality to the fellowship finder, and increase the character limit to 300 instead of whatever useless number it's at now. Then take that, and pair it with a new chat channel (gonna call it the ad channel for the sake of simplicity), that has a limitation on how often one can post in it. Make this chat channel behave like system messages so that all players online can see it if they have the channel filtered into their chat tab. Then they can also add custom sound effects to it, so they get extra notice for their venues (this feature already exists in game).

A little clean up of the fellowship finder search tags ,and the ability to view most recent posts with selected tags would make a world of difference for the entire community and create a much healthier atmosphere. People are complaining about the shout spam every day. The reason nobody speaks up about it is because the community becomes toxic and trolls anyone who has an opinion that doesn't suit their agenda. That's why this thread had 15 pages or more deleted from it. I'm sure my ideas could be expanded on, or refined, but at the end of the day something similar to what I suggest is simply better for everyone , no matter which side of the fence they're on
Please support the post and contribute to finding a solution ,for a better FFXIV for ALL PLAYERS

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Originally Posted by Gordita

It actually does interfere with gameplay, as someone who's played this game since beta I can confirm this. You know how many people used to use shout chat for game related stuff 6 years ago compared to now? There used to be tons of content related shouts, from fate chains to hunt trains and savage carries at random , every day there was something. Now, the few things that do get shouted are swiftly buried under a pile of venue ads. It's taken over shout chat and completely destroyed the spontaneous random activities that many people joined in on, for what? So people can gather and violate tos with their mods and listen to a twitch dj stream stuff while they loop emotes? Myself and thousand upon thousands of players are forced to miss out on game related content because only mod dancing and nudes matter? We are all paying customers here. No side is more entitled than the other. Hence the suggestion to have a seperate place for community event advertising so people can use shout chat again without it being a constant wall of spam

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Beta was over 10 years ago at this point. What you're experiencing is time changing, culture changes lol. FATE trains, hunt trains, ect still exist. It's just all in PF now because it's easier to post there than to shout in city chats. Just a thought.

Also savage carries in this day and age. LOL You pay for that now.

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Originally Posted by Padudu

Beta was over 10 years ago at this point. What you're experiencing is time changing, culture changes lol.

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The culture was changed due to SE not moderating the game properly. Going lol about it doesn't change why it's bad, not all change is good and needed. stop the cap.

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Originally Posted by strawberrycake

The culture was changed due to SE not moderating the game properly. Going lol about it doesn't change why it's bad, not all change is good and needed. stop the cap.

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It's called appealing to wider audience, they don't stop it because it's ultimately not harmful to the games performance or profitability. It's not like people would stop using faloop discord or equivalent services and go back to le good ol times of manually visiting every hub and shouting things even if the ad spam were to disappear overnight, so why bother trying?

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Originally Posted by strawberrycake

The culture was changed due to SE not moderating the game properly. Going lol about it doesn't change why it's bad, not all change is good and needed. stop the cap.

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SE moderates the game plenty tho, it doesn't break the ToS therefore it's allowed. I find it fine lmao - but I'm also able to ignore it. Going "ITS NOT LIKE THE OLD DAYS" doesn't help either, because again, it's been a good 10 years from then to now. Have you considered, like, the average player has changed lmao. For example most people don't even touch savage content. A lot of people haven't even touched HoH/Eureka/PoTD. Most people do very, very casual content. There's no cap, you're just coping.

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Originally Posted by Padudu

SE moderates the game plenty tho, it doesn't break the ToS therefore it's allowed. I find it fine lmao - but I'm also able to ignore it. Going "ITS NOT LIKE THE OLD DAYS" doesn't help either, because again, it's been a good 10 years from then to now. Have you considered, like, the average player has changed lmao. For example most people don't even touch savage content. A lot of people haven't even touched HoH/Eureka/PoTD. Most people do very, very casual content. There's no cap, you're just coping.

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No, the ToS is too Vague to push proper moderation and We literally had a thread recently of a girl being stalked for 3 years on here showing SE moderation is weak and needs to be fixed. Also GMs aren;t even sure about the Moderation of the RP chat spam because it's been an issue off and on as well. The cope is for anyone blindly believeing SE GMs do their job at all in this game xD

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Originally Posted by strawberrycake

No, the ToS is too Vague to push proper moderation and We literally had a thread recently of a girl being stalked for 3 years on here showing SE moderation is weak and needs to be fixed. Also GMs aren;t even sure about the Moderation of the RP chat spam because it's been an issue off and on as well. The cope is for anyone blindly believeing SE GMs do their job at all in this game xD

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Except they've been pretty clear when it venue advertisements cross the line or not, I've seen RP ads get moderated when they step over the "other" tab, most RP venues don't spam beyond a certain point (and don't spam as much as FC ads, anyways), ect. SE Mods aren't perfect, ofc, nothing is, but RP in general has been touched upon by GMs repeatedly lol.

RIP Stalker girl though, yes moderation can be shit, but with RP ads at the very least it seems to be fine.

The cope is you believing that a MMO would be the same as it would be 10 years ago. It's just not. The audience has changed and it's just not for you, babe. Hell, even RP culture has changed from back then to now. Lots of it was contained to forums back then, now the FFXIV RP Forum has shut down because discord exists.

With that server being relatively new, content drought, and now that it has been established that there are approximately 3 shouts per 20 minutes, so I cannot see how exactly it interferes. And interfere with WHAT exactly? AFK? Chatting? Your own Gil extortion scheme?
Also, have you tried leaving Limsa Lominsa?

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Originally Posted by TBerry

With that server being relatively new, content drought, and now that it has been established that there are approximately 3 shouts per 20 minutes, so I cannot see how exactly it interferes. And interfere with WHAT exactly? AFK? Chatting? Your own Gil extortion scheme?
Also, have you tried leaving Lims Lominsa?

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It most certainly has not been established that there's 3 shouts per 20 minutes , and what server are you talking about? Nobody has mentioned a specific server. You're only carrying on like the same troll that got banned for trolling this thread. Please refrain from trolling and being part of the problem instead of the solution! Thanks

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Originally Posted by Gordita

It most certainly has not been established that there's 3 shouts per 20 minutes , and what server are you talking about? Nobody has mentioned a specific server. You're only carrying on like the same troll that got banned for trolling this thread. Please refrain from trolling and being part of the problem instead of the solution! Thanks

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There's no need for a solution actually, and I am myself on Hali on my main and see no problem, but then again I dont live in Limsa like you seem to be doing.

Also there's barely any shouts at all on our servers on dyna, I can stay in limsa on hali for an hour and see barely anything. (both in spam and normal chatter since our dc is just dead)

Stop living in Limsa maybe and you'll have less problems, play the actual game.

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Originally Posted by AlexiaD

There's no need for a solution actually, and I am myself on Hali on my main and see no problem, but then again I dont live in Limsa like you seem to be doing.

Also there's barely any shouts at all on our servers on dyna, I can stay in limsa on hali for an hour and see barely anything. (both in spam and normal chatter since our dc is just dead)

Stop living in Limsa maybe and you'll have less problems, play the actual game.

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I have no idea what you've got in your head that would make you want to argue against everyone having a better experience. Nor do I know why you also mentioned dynamis, when nobody else has mentioned it besides people trolling? To make matters worse the only way you can attempt to make your invalid argument is by being condescending and disrespectful? Nobody cares for the trolling, please refrain from commenting if you have nothing useful to add.

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Originally Posted by Gordita

I have no idea what you've got in your head that would make you want to argue against everyone having a better experience. Nor do I know why you also mentioned dynamis, when nobody else has mentioned it besides people trolling? To make matters worse the only way you can attempt to make your invalid argument is by being condescending and disrespectful? Nobody cares for the trolling, please refrain from commenting if you have nothing useful to add.

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"You disagree with me so you're a troll"

good argument

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Originally Posted by Gordita

I have no idea what you've got in your head that would make you want to argue against everyone having a better experience. Nor do I know why you also mentioned dynamis, when nobody else has mentioned it besides people trolling? To make matters worse the only way you can attempt to make your invalid argument is by being condescending and disrespectful? Nobody cares for the trolling, please refrain from commenting if you have nothing useful to add.

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Nobody's trolling you, your profile literally shows your server...which is Hali...on Dynamis.

Therefore, we are taking it that you're referring to things that happened on Dynamis, which is known for being a low population DC that hardly anyone actively plays on. All you need to do is go to any other DC and check out how packed their main cities are compared to even Seraph. It's mainly a DC for botting and throwing venue spam into for the few people that are there at night (since the majority of people on Dynamis moved for housing but play actively in their original DC).

If it was a different DC, feel free to say otherwise for clarifications sake.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Nobody's trolling you, your profile literally shows your server...which is Hali...on Dynamis.

Therefore, we are taking it that you're referring to things that happened on Dynamis, which is known for being a low population DC that hardly anyone actively plays on. It's mainly a DC for botting and throwing venue spam into for the few people that stay there full time.

If it was a different DC, feel free to say otherwise for clarifications sake.

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You literally just said it's known for being low pop, do I really need to clarify something so obvious? It's well known that even dynamis players don't play on dynamis. The forum shows only one character of mine, from one service account. I moved this character to dynamis for the exp buff, and play on aether with this character. I also play on crystal and primal, and I have for years.

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Originally Posted by Gordita

You literally just said it's known for being low pop, do I really need to clarify something so obvious? It's well known that even dynamis players don't play on dynamis. The forum shows only one character of mine, from one service account. I moved this character to dynamis for the exp buff, and play on aether with this character. I also play on crystal and primal, and I have for years.

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Just explaining why some are taking it as not a big deal since most people aren't there anyway to see it. *shrug*

Also, thank you for contributing to making Dynamis even more deserted. c:

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Just explaining why some are taking it as not a big deal since most people aren't there anyway to see it. *shrug*

Also, thank you for contributing to making Dynamis even more deserted. c:

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Yeah well it's not my fault people make assumptions and act foolish
As far as dynamis.. I wouldn't be playing there regardless so my actions don't affect its population lmao

I believe I mentioned it in a previous post here or I intended to and didn't follow through, but I would argue the PF spam as more obstructive than the shout chat advertisements. However, I am rarely in the city states for long periods of time so maybe I just don't see them. I do know the shouts tend to get more active when the venues are close to opening, and since everyone decided to do it on the weekend the traffic can increase there but usually the chat is quiet outside of advertisements whether it be for venues or FCs.

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Originally Posted by Gordita

Yeah well it's not my fault people make assumptions and act foolish
As far as dynamis.. I wouldn't be playing there regardless so my actions don't affect its population lmao

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Had you mentioned this, even though it's still a broad generalization, maybe things would've gone differently.
But still, have you tried leaving Limsa Lominsa?

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Originally Posted by TBerry

Had you mentioned this, een though it's still a broad generalization, maybe things would've gone differently.
But still, have you tried leaving Limsa Lominsa?

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Have you tried not trolling with baseless assumptions and accusations behind your comments , have you tried contributing something constructive instead of being a nuisance? You're the only person talking about limsa, so idk why you ask if I try leaving the place.
Idk if you're aware but at least 2 people have been permanently banned from the forum for their behavior on this thread, and you're echoing their words and behavior. I'd advise you to make sure you don't overstep and follow the community guidelines

I still doubt the intent behind this thread. And any goodwill was lost on page 1 already making gross generalizations about venues, and conflating them with nightclubs and whatever gil extortion venue there is.

Dynamis has been in discussion a lot through this thread. Why you are acting like this is new is strange to me. I mean you had multiple discussions with people where they used dynamis as an example and never once did you say you played on another DC (until recently).
Also if you're stalking people to see if they get banned or not, I'd recommend stepping away from this. That level of obsession cannot be healthy.

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Originally Posted by TBerry

I still doubt the intent behind this thread. And any goodwill was lost on page 1 already making gross generalizations about venues, and conflating them with nightclubs and whatever gil extortion venue there is.

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Im sorry that you've formed a negative opinion but that's no excuse for condescending comments or trolling. The intent behind this thread was stated clearly several times. To find a solution that makes everything better and easier for everyone, and by extension making more enjoyable for everyone. So senseless arguments like the ones deleted from this thread never have to happen again. I suppose now's a good time to tell you that my FC mansion is actually a venue and they don't rely on shout ads at all, as they see it as obnoxious to spam the chat like so many others do. They use discord and other places to advertise and they're constantly at max capacity when they're open.

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Originally Posted by Gordita

Im sorry that you've formed a negative opinion but that's no excuse for condescending comments or trolling. The intent behind this thread was stated clearly several times. To find a solution that makes everything better and easier for everyone, and by extension making more enjoyable for everyone. So senseless arguments like the ones deleted from this thread never have to happen again. I suppose now's a good time to tell you that my FC mansion is actually a venue and they don't rely on shout ads at all, as they see it as obnoxious to spam the chat like so many others do. They use discord and other places to advertise and they're constantly at max capacity when they're open.

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Perhaps if you stopped using the "troll" word around so much people would actually take you seriously, you keep calling anyone not agreeing with you right off the bat a troll and it's very off putting

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Originally Posted by AlexiaD

Perhaps if you stopped using the "troll" word around so much people would actually take you seriously, you keep calling anyone not agreeing with you right off the bat a troll and it's very off putting

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People who make things up and ignore the point of the subject in their arguments and make personal attacks while derailing a thread with every comment they make are trolls. This isn't a place to come and argue or be condescending to others for trying to seek improvement and solutions , and I don't think you've made a single helpful comment on this entire thread so why don't you just find something better to do

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Originally Posted by AnneWand

Da ich in diesem Forum keine einfache Möglichkeit finden kann einen Thread zu posten (geschweige denn Antworten zu meinen Threads zu sehen), werde ich zukünftig meine Meinung als Kommentar unter eure Threads setzen und hoffen, dass sie jemand liest...sorry!!!

Hier mein heutiger Vorschlag: Wie wäre es (vielleicht in der nächsten Erweiterung) mit einem „Begleiter-Sammler“...also ein NPC der sich vorgenommen hat ALLE Begleiter zu bekommen. Ähnlich wie Khloe könnte er uns wöchentliche Aufgaben geben, bestimmte Begleiter bei ihm abzugeben. Hierfür bekommen wir dann (nicht handelbares) Zeug...eventuell Notenrollen, Kostüme oder andere einzigartige Begleiter, oder auch irgendwelche Ticket, die wir sammeln müssen, um eben Kostüme, Notenrollen...zu bekommen. Aktuell sind die Preise sowas von inflationär, dass es eigentlich gar keinen Sinn mehr macht, die zu farmen! Was soll ich sonst in FFIV machen?

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Für den Anfang würde es vermutlich helfen, wenn du nicht in Deutsch ins englische Forum schreibst, da werden dich nicht viele verstehen. ;)
Abgesehen davon: Schau dir an, wie die Foren heißen, geh in ein Unterforum, was passend erscheint (zum Beispiel Deutsches Forum -> Spielsystem -> Gegenstände wär so meine erstbeste Vermutung) und dann klick oben links auf den großen Button "Thema Erstellen". Wenn der Button nicht da ist, dann bist du noch nicht im Unterforum selbst drin, nur in der Kategorienliste, da kann man nix posten. Und um zu sehen, wer geantwortet hat, kannst du oben rechts ins Benutzerkontrollzentrum gehen, oder direkt ins Thema selbst.

Komplett fremde Themen zu kapern wird dir höchstens irgendwann ne Meldung wegen Spam einfangen, und die richtigen Leute, die es interessieren könnte, sehen es da sowieso nicht.

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Originally Posted by Gordita

People who make things up and ignore the point of the subject in their arguments and make personal attacks while derailing a thread with every comment they make are trolls. This isn't a place to come and argue or be condescending to others for trying to seek improvement and solutions , and I don't think you've made a single helpful comment on this entire thread so why don't you just find something better to do

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How about you follow your own advice and find something better to do than complain about advertisement for venues in a video game that has no impact on you at all ?

Play the game and spend less time in Limsa.

Unnecessary, disregard.

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Originally Posted by Gordita

Im sorry that you've formed a negative opinion but that's no excuse for condescending comments or trolling. The intent behind this thread was stated clearly several times. To find a solution that makes everything better and easier for everyone, and by extension making more enjoyable for everyone. So senseless arguments like the ones deleted from this thread never have to happen again. I suppose now's a good time to tell you that my FC mansion is actually a venue and they don't rely on shout ads at all, as they see it as obnoxious to spam the chat like so many others do. They use discord and other places to advertise and they're constantly at max capacity when they're open.

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Congratulations on your success in a video game, although now this is reading to me more like a superiority thing just because you claim you don't use shout ads lol. Really off-putting.
I also find it a bit confusing that you're getting mad about venue spam when you're running a venue yourself and apparently do all of your advertising over Discord. If it doesn't affect your ability to pull in customers, what does it matter? Just glance at it and move on lol.
Obviously the outright perverted ones are a problem, no one is denying that, but I don't get the logic of getting upset about general spam if it doesn't affect your business. You could easily just turn shout off in main cities temporarily while you're there since you don't appear to use it? (unless you do just sit in Limsa all day like others have claimed in which case...idk what to tell you as someone who actually moves through the open world rather than just idling in main cities).

I'd also think you'd want to help raise other venues up and work with others so that the community you're a part of can thrive even more, rather than tear them down in a public thread that anyone can read, but that's just me.

As far as not making useful contributions: I'm down for an RP tab so people can put their ads there, one that is separate from Other. Therefore, people who want to see it can just tab over and people who want to use Other for reasons other than advertising venues (crafting/gathering jobs, art commissions, whatever other fluff things that don't constitute as venue ads) can still use it for that.

As far as the spam goes, I don't have one for that because it doesn't really bother me to the extent it does others but I also don't think Square necessarily cares either. You can report people all you like and they'll still be there the next day or the venues will just hire new shout-runners and it continues. The way I see it, they'd have to start babysitting every venue and monitor their communications to see any kind of change and they absolutely don't have the staff for that lol (especially since new venues sprout up every day).

At some point, you have to kind of make choices for yourself (turning off shout, not going into main cities unless you're buying something, etc.) if it really affects your experience to the point of getting actually mad about it and you don't want to just outright quit the game.

No one has Square on speed-dial to get things changed and even if someone passes this suggestion to them, they might not even implement it until the next expansion after Dawntrail (if they already have their "cup" full of content/changes approved and in the works for DT). So, do you really want to spend the next 6m+ angry in the forums about shout ads or do you want to find a compromise that makes your experience better on your own in the meantime?

You misunderstood, I don't run a venue. My FC leader runs it, the estate is a venue. I already went over turning off shout chat and how it's not a reasonable solution. Chat flooding in as obstruction and it's annoying, there's no reason people should have to jump through hoops or miss out on things because people are obnoxious , it's that simple. As far as "try leaving limsa" ... Those types of comments aren't even worth replying to, especially when they come from trolls who have done nothing but derail this thread as much as possible, as if they're threatened by this post or simply being spiteful because they chose to blow something out of proportion to use an excuse to act offended and malicious. Their time is borrowed, so it's whatever. Though maybe I should just sit in town and report every single one of them every single time til se gets fed up with it (sarcasm)
I don't wanna see people getting suspended or anything over it. Just be decent people and not spam the chat, it's not a complicated thing. It's not unreasonable to wish for that either. And I don't understand the motives of the people who come here (not you) to do nothing but attack me and behave in a manner that only embarrassed them and made a fool of themselves. Like it's a crime to seek a solution to a problem or something ... Really pitiful
As for the superiority aspect, it's just an example of why it's unnecessary to spam chat as my FC venue is able to operate without any issue without bothering thousands of players

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Originally Posted by Gordita

You misunderstood, I don't run a venue. My FC leader runs it, the estate is a venue. I already went over turning off shout chat and how it's not a reasonable solution. Chat flooding in as obstruction and it's annoying, there's no reason people should have to jump through hoops or miss out on things because people are obnoxious , it's that simple. As far as "try leaving limsa" ... Those types of comments aren't even worth replying to, especially when they come from trolls who have done nothing but derail this thread as much as possible, as if they're threatened by this post or simply being spiteful because they chose to blow something out of proportion to use an excuse to act offended and malicious. Their time is borrowed, so it's whatever. Though maybe I should just sit in town and report every single one of them every single time til se gets fed up with it (sarcasm)
I don't wanna see people getting suspended or anything over it. Just be decent people and not spam the chat, it's not a complicated thing. It's not unreasonable to wish for that either. And I don't understand the motives of the people who come here (not you) to do nothing but attack me and behave in a manner that only embarrassed them and made a fool of themselves. Like it's a crime to seek a solution to a problem or something ... Really pitiful

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Apologies then for the confusion, the way it was phrased "my FC mansion" made it seem like it was your venue.

1. I don't think I really derailed it from my knowledge, you were complaining about shout spam and how you didn't want to worry about your child. I have kept it on topic as far as I'm aware of by offering solutions for how to mitigate the problem until Square decides to do something about it (turn off shout, leave main cities unless you have to be there, find a different game to play with your daughter than is more age appropriate, etc.) and by being realistic about how much they actually seem to care about RP spam (They don't, I've also been part of the group reporting people for having overly-sexual PFs and the same people are still doing it now years later). Apologies if the recommendations aren't to your liking but that's just what we as the playerbase are left with unless they actually do something about it.

2. In relation to what I underlined, maybe you should so you can understand it as well that handling RP ads, bots, RMT, etc. is very low priority compared to banning people for offering advice in dungeons.

3. If you really don't want to leave Limsa then fair enough, just do what you gotta do to make it okay for you to be there lol (i.e. turn off shout). If this is really such a massive deal to you as well (since you took the time to make a thread on here), then at the very least you should do something to remove the issue for yourself. Sitting and not doing anything except waiting for the devs to do something and arguing with people on here isn't going to remove the issue for you. As I said, do you really want to spend the next 6m+ arguing over shout ads in the forum or do you want to spend the next 6m+ enjoying the game you're paying for by taking away the stressor (shout chat)? Personally, the latter seems like a more efficient use of my time.

4. To the shout runners, one ad per hour is not spam. I also wouldn't constitute one ad per hour from the same person as spam. From my knowledge, shout runners go to each server and post an ad in the main cities and move on (so you're really only seeing one unless you want to follow them around while they do it). It's the fact that there are dozens of venues going at the same time doing it which is the spam effect people are seeing. Reporting the one person for spam isn't going to go anywhere because they aren't technically spamming by doing one ad in Limsa and then leaving to do it in another zone, you'd have to somehow group all of the venues together in a report and say that all of these venues are posting an ad at the same time and creating a spam effect (PF ads being the obvious exception since you'll see 4 ads for the same place at once which is actually annoying but again, dunno if they'd count it as spam since it's one person per ad).

So what do you want Square to do exactly? Put in a timer that limits messages in general across the entire game (I.e. Person A posts a message and then has to wait 30-60 seconds before sending another)? Put in an automatic bot that scans for certain words and has a 50/50 chance of banning you for something that isn't even rule breaking (Speaking from personal experience, I got temp banned from a military game a few years back by an auto bot for saying the word "training"...in a war game....where you train people to play the game....)?