Is there too much soy in this game's community

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

It takes no effort to not be an asshole to people.

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Do you walk around with a sign displaying all your so called “trigger warnings”? Pull your socks up big guy

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

It takes no effort to not be an asshole to people. Grow up and treat people with a basic level of respect. You don't have the right to intentionally trigger people because you think it's their responsibility to deal with your bullshit.

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You keep editing to add more bs. Where did you pull "you don't have the right to intentionally trigger people" when the person you're arguing against even said "just because you have certain sensitivities doesn't mean someone's trying to trigger you"?

Unhinged behaviour.

You keep talking about respect and how easy it is to not be a jerk while making wild accusations and acting out of line, yourself.

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Originally Posted by MaxCarnage

You keep editing to add more bs. Where did you pull "you don't have the right to intentionally trigger people" when the person you're arguing against even said "just because you have certain sensitivities doesn't mean someone's trying to trigger you"?

Unhinged behaviour.

You keep talking about respect and how easy it is to not be a jerk while making wild accusations and acting out of line, yourself.

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Some of these people read what they want to read. They need to create an argument to argue their own point. Living in a make believe land of fairy tale villains.

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Originally Posted by MaxCarnage

You keep editing to add more bs. Where did you pull "you don't have the right to intentionally trigger people" when the person you're arguing against even said "just because you have certain sensitivities doesn't mean someone's trying to trigger you"?

Unhinged behaviour.

You keep talking about respect and how easy it is to not be a jerk while making wild accusations and acting out of line, yourself.

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'Not being an asshole' is BS?

The phrase used was "offense is taken, not given" which is used to absolve oneself of responsibility. "I can say whatever the hell I want and it's your fault if it offends you". It's victim blaming. That means intentionally offending people, however they decided to excuse it afterwards.

If that's not what was meant, maybe try using your words more carefully so that they convey what you mean? See? How words mean things?

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

'Not being an asshole' is BS?

The phrase used was "offense is taken, not given" which is used to absolve oneself of responsibility. "I can say whatever the hell I want and it's your fault if it offends you". It's victim blaming. That means intentionally offending people, however they decided to excuse it afterwards.

If that's not what was meant, maybe try using your words more carefully so that they convey what you mean? See? How words mean things?

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You're allowed to be offended all you want but the expectations that random strangers need to care about you being offended is where I have issues with people nowadays.

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Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn

You're allowed to be offended all you want but the expectations that random strangers need to care about you being offended is where I have issues with people nowadays.

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That's fine. You don't need to give any additional effort to dealing with other peoples problems. But it's easy enough to be conscious of them so that you don't cause them to begin with.
In the current climate where people are taking exception to basic measures such as avoiding known slurs and triggers, majority exceptionalism "I've never had a problem so why should I bother to educate myself? Other people should deal with my ignorance", sometimes it needs to be said.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

That's fine. You don't need to give any additional effort to dealing with other peoples problems. But it's easy enough to be conscious of them so that you don't cause them to begin with.
In the current climate where people are taking exception to basic measures such as avoiding known slurs and triggers, majority exceptionalism "I've never had a problem so why should I bother to educate myself? Other people should deal with my ignorance", sometimes it needs to be said.

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Are you assuming everyone knows what triggers you though? People get triggered by the word moist. Doesn't mean I'll stop using it.
The issue nowadays from my point of view is people get all up in arms about "muh feelings". You can just say what triggers you without the expectation from the other person. If the person cares/respects you they will listen.
Let people make their own decisions, no need for this stupid follow up.

As a straight White unvaccinated Christian, don't worry, I'm an extremist with borderline too high testosterone. And I agree with you.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

That's fine. You don't need to give any additional effort to dealing with other peoples problems. But it's easy enough to be conscious of them so that you don't cause them to begin with.
In the current climate where people are taking exception to basic measures such as avoiding known slurs and triggers, majority exceptionalism "I've never had a problem so why should I bother to educate myself? Other people should deal with my ignorance", sometimes it needs to be said.

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Or I can just not bother dealing with you because I hate people who expect other people to walk on eggshells around them.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

'Not being an asshole' is BS?

The phrase used was "offense is taken, not given" which is used to absolve oneself of responsibility. "I can say whatever the hell I want and it's your fault if it offends you". It's victim blaming. That means intentionally offending people, however they decided to excuse it afterwards.

If that's not what was meant, maybe try using your words more carefully so that they convey what you mean? See? How words mean things?

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See how you took offense on something that wasn't meant to be offensive?

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

That's fine. You don't need to give any additional effort to dealing with other peoples problems. But it's easy enough to be conscious of them so that you don't cause them to begin with.
In the current climate where people are taking exception to basic measures such as avoiding known slurs and triggers, majority exceptionalism "I've never had a problem so why should I bother to educate myself? Other people should deal with my ignorance", sometimes it needs to be said.

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Slurs? So we are to presume you only get up in arms about slurs which in general are frowned upon? No one is using slurs and getting away with it. Way to stretch. But you are responsible for what your own sensitivities are. No one else. You’re being pussilanimous trying to control others for your own issues. You want sensorship when what you really need is a therapist

A: "this community is full of soy"

B: "Let's be kind to each other"

A: "omg, stop taking offense at everything"

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Just saying, this is what I missed about HW

Is it my turn to resurrect a post from 1998 tomorrow?

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Originally Posted by Hallarem

Is it my turn to resurrect a post from 1998 tomorrow?

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Sure, I just do it when I get reminded that points I am now saying have already been said years ago. Honestly the game and the community are so stale I seriously cannot come up with anything new now.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

'Not being an asshole' is BS?

The phrase used was "offense is taken, not given" which is used to absolve oneself of responsibility. "I can say whatever the hell I want and it's your fault if it offends you". It's victim blaming. That means intentionally offending people, however they decided to excuse it afterwards.

If that's not what was meant, maybe try using your words more carefully so that they convey what you mean? See? How words mean things?

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Also lol, now that I'm reading the replies... The original point was about people joking around and saying shit like "lmao did you really use LB as he jumped? go back to hall of the novice" "bro shut up you literally used tank lb3 3 seconds early three times in a row lmao"

Still happens in statics but never happens in DF now lol. There is a sort of male camaraderie that you just don't see in public nowadays. It was pretty common in HW.

Short answer: Yes.

definitely

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Originally Posted by Caddo

Troll post or not, the online community has definitely changed over the past decade, that is for sure. I made a lighthearted joke the other day about seizures during Ultima Weapon (so bright, such light!) and was told it's not funny and I shouldn't make those jokes.

... I legit had to tell them that I made the joke because I take medication for seizures and I was pointing out the obvious drawback to this cutscene.

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Playing video games with epilepsy is a IQ 500 chess move.

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Originally Posted by Hallarem

Is it my turn to resurrect a post from 1998 tomorrow?

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Back in 82, I used to be able to throw a pigskin a quarter mile. How much you wanna make a bet I can throw a football over them mountains.

play ff and believe in something like this is kinda funny the one game series that was honestly designed for girls and gay guys ;P, your a lying if you say your 100% straight guy playing ff lol

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Originally Posted by Skiros

Back in Heavensward and Stormblood you can insult people and mock them and they'll just insult and mock you back. Banter, friendly or unfriendly, was the norm. What happened to this game's community man!? Now you make a mild joke and they collapse and freak out and start crying. People don't even fight back anymore! What happened to FF14? Where is all the testosterone?

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If I had to guess: it's because the social vibe of the game is chasing in so many other respects for the worse, such that people are jumping to the defensive quicker not so much because of how the comment affects them, but because of a desperation to preserving XIV as they valued it previously. Also, because general wide spread negativity has drained their resilience.
Lastly because the games centric has changed, and those that remain do so because of traits that... make them to handle things in that way.
Wild speculation, but bits fit.

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Originally Posted by Daughterofdeath

play ff and believe in something like this is kinda funny the one game series that was honestly designed for girls and gay guys ;P, your a lying if you say your 100% straight guy playing ff lol

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FF14 started out more as an MMO than as a FF.

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Originally Posted by Gurgeh

If I had to guess: it's because the social vibe of the game is chasing in so many other respects for the worse, such that people are jumping to the defensive quicker not so much because of how the comment affects them, but because of a desperation to preserving XIV as they valued it previously. Also, because general wide spread negativity has drained their resilience.
Lastly because the games centric has changed, and those that remain do so because of traits that... make them to handle things in that way.
Wild speculation, but bits fit.

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Yeah no I mean you pretty much covered it. That and people live by the mantra 'respect is earned' which basically translates to respect my authority or I won't treat you like a person. So no anyone with that mentality can stay on their muddy side of the fence and not even look at my side of the grass lol. Who uses soy unironically anyways?

I'm loving the "necroposting on old whining threads because there somehow aren't enough new whining threads" forum arc we're currently in.

(I'm being serious, it's hilarious)

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Originally Posted by Gurgeh

If I had to guess: it's because the social vibe of the game is chasing in so many other respects for the worse, such that people are jumping to the defensive quicker not so much because of how the comment affects them, but because of a desperation to preserving XIV as they valued it previously. Also, because general wide spread negativity has drained their resilience.
Lastly because the games centric has changed, and those that remain do so because of traits that... make them to handle things in that way.
Wild speculation, but bits fit.

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Too many femboys in FF14!!

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Originally Posted by Fagotura

Too many femboys in FF14!!

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Too many Internet tough guys!

Yes, it honestly creeps me out how soft a lot of this community is when it comes to friendly, competitive banter. People unironically claiming emotional harm and distress over getting emoted on in PvP. I feel like I'm playing a game surrounded by people with unmanaged personality disorders or something.

There's a weird trigger-happy culture when it comes to reporting too. It's like, "Oh, this person did something I personally don't like. Let's try to get them banned!"

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Originally Posted by JohnLakeside

Yes, it honestly creeps me out how soft a lot of this community is when it comes to friendly, competitive banter. People unironically claiming emotional harm and distress over getting emoted on in PvP. I feel like I'm playing a game surrounded by people with unmanaged personality disorders or something.

There's a weird trigger-happy culture when it comes to reporting too. It's like, "Oh, this person did something I personally don't like. Let's try to get them banned!"

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I've never reported a person for something so petty. I have however made a post asking people's opinion on what is a rule violation to see their responses.
What's more creepy is someone running the forums on alt accounts asking internet tough guy questions that any normal person can see through as pure insecurity.

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Originally Posted by JohnLakeside

Yes, it honestly creeps me out how soft a lot of this community is when it comes to friendly, competitive banter. People unironically claiming emotional harm and distress over getting emoted on in PvP. I feel like I'm playing a game surrounded by people with unmanaged personality disorders or something.

There's a weird trigger-happy culture when it comes to reporting too. It's like, "Oh, this person did something I personally don't like. Let's try to get them banned!"

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I'd love to have a couple of examples of what constitutes "friendly, competitive banter." And in what situations it might be used.

As someone who used to enjoy a bit of banter now and then, I grew up, and realised that it wasn't what I wanted.

Because that's what people do. They change, and they grow, and the community changed and grew with them.

I don't expect bleeding-edge performance from the Tank, because I know they're probably trying their best, so why be pointlessly cruel to them? Optimisation for the sake of optimisation creates an unhealthy dynamic, so why not take it slow now and then?

Password for a BA run on a discord was 9999, I joins group and said loved the password was nein, nein, nein nein. Got kicked. Don’t know how these people get through life. Not even offensive ������

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

I'd love to have a couple of examples of what constitutes "friendly, competitive banter." And in what situations it might be used.

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I'll list some things that have been said to me in OSRS by people after they killed me in PvP—things that brought a smile to my face and made me want to 1v1 them again asap.

1. Sit
2. F*ck, you even trying buddy?
3. Get wrecked

Are we really going to sit here and intimate that trash talk (within reason, as in no slurs/biogtry/irl related insults) is somehow morally wrong or immature?

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Originally Posted by JohnLakeside

I'll list some things that have been said to me in OSRS by people after they killed me in PvP—things that brought a smile to my face and made me want to 1v1 them again asap.

1. Sit
2. F*ck, you even trying buddy?
3. Get wrecked

Are we really going to sit here and intimate that trash talk (within reason, as in no slurs/biogtry/irl related insults) is somehow morally wrong or immature?

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I remember playing PVP in another MMO with a much smaller player base, where the regular PVPers more or less knew each other on a casual basis and were friendly to one another, and the banter was much worse than this and while I never participated, I could tell that between them, it was mostly done in fun and I could appreciate it for what it was. But whenever some community event occurred that got the wider player base into PVP when they otherwise never touched it, tempers would flare because what worked with the small group of mutual friendly antagonists didn't work with hundreds or thousands of people who don't know each other at all.

I suspect that's the situation here. That kind of banter works with people you know (or have a mutual understanding with even if you don't really know them)--but in a large community of thousands who aren't normally competitive with each other, it doesn't. Which is what FFXIV's PVP is like.

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Originally Posted by JohnLakeside

I'll list some things that have been said to me in OSRS by people after they killed me in PvP—things that brought a smile to my face and made me want to 1v1 them again asap.

1. Sit
2. F*ck, you even trying buddy?
3. Get wrecked

Are we really going to sit here and intimate that trash talk (within reason, as in no slurs/biogtry/irl related insults) is somehow morally wrong or immature?

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I certainly don't regard it as a moral issue. And in EVE Online that sort of thing would be regarded as mild. Honestly, yes, it does strike me as immature, but equally if it meets the common standards of a game and is regarded as amusing, no problem.

The issue doesn't arise in 14 PvP, of course, since you can't communicate with the enemy. When someone jumps on or teabags my unconscious form, I conclude they're an idiot since they're sacrificing uptime.

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Originally Posted by Hallarem

Is it my turn to resurrect a post from 1998 tomorrow?

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Even better if it's your own post that you wrote yourself that you necro.

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Originally Posted by JohnLakeside

I'll list some things that have been said to me in OSRS by people after they killed me in PvP—things that brought a smile to my face and made me want to 1v1 them again asap.

1. Sit
2. F*ck, you even trying buddy?
3. Get wrecked

Are we really going to sit here and intimate that trash talk (within reason, as in no slurs/biogtry/irl related insults) is somehow morally wrong or immature?

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In FF14 we have something better really. Ignore marking. Honestly it's so funny because the community became so passive aggressive that the insults are even more cutting: ignore marking someone is basically saying "you're so worthless I'm not even going to bother typing a sentence" LOL

ARR Days where way better than HW and SB, ARR days as so much shit talk it was funny af. HW felt meh, SB started the baby mode.

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Originally Posted by Zarkovitch

ARR Days where way better than HW and SB, ARR days as so much shit talk it was funny af. HW felt meh, SB started the baby mode.

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Honestly the FF franchise fans are the babies and originally this game contained more of a MMO playerbase and not the FF fanbase lol

I'm usually the person people talk smack about, and I never minded it too much. I approve of absolute free speech so I can enjoy the drama—ideally from afar. ������

Too much vinegar in the forums more like, har har!