Elitist Housing Must Go. Every Single Player Should Have A House.

Everyone has the option - you just don't want to because you think it's more costly than it's worth. Which is fine - but at some point you've got to live with the choices you make. How many multi-owners do you really think you'd shake out on Balmung, anyway? The scant handful that exist are going to be very canny and very resource-rich people who would have found a way regardless, because for everyone else it's always been far easier to go elsewhere.

As for Dynamis, I can already see the near-guaranteed repeat of the Mateus situation on the horizon - when Dynamis' servers start filling up in 7.0 from people who get tired of 8 hour queues to get into Crystal and a wailing cry goes up that the houses are being taken up by the people who bought them after they sat around unused for months. Wasn't particularly sympathetic then, not going to be terribly sympathetic in the future. Part and parcel of moving to a popular server after it becomes popular.

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Originally Posted by CatStarwind

It's really something that people think it's okay to simply say 'just move worlds lol!' as if everyone else is as self-centered to have no social connections to the world they're in. Especially coming from those who flagrantly break the plot requirements when they could simply just play literally any other MMO that offers exactly what they want.

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Criticizing people for suggesting a world transfer to get housing while also suggesting that they transfer to an entirely different MMO to get housing - all in a single post. Impressive.

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Originally Posted by CatStarwind

It's really something that people think it's okay to simply say 'just move worlds lol!' as if everyone else is as self-centered to have no social connections to the world they're in. Especially coming from those who flagrantly break the plot requirements when they could simply just play literally any other MMO that offers exactly what they want.

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"You can move to Dynamis if you really want housing or to Phantom/Sagi/Alpha/Raiden for EU if you really want housing" is not ok

but

"yeah just move to a different game if you like housing so much heeh xd" is okay

man you never fail to impress with how stupid what you write is, and I say this in the nicest way possible because otherwise I'd get banned

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Originally Posted by Pablomaldito

Criticizing people for suggesting a world transfer to get housing while also suggesting that they transfer to an entirely different MMO to get housing - all in a single post. Impressive.

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That was rather the point yes.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

"You can move to Dynamis if you really want housing or to Phantom/Sagi/Alpha/Raiden for EU if you really want housing" is not ok

but

"yeah just move to a different game if you like housing so much heeh xd" is okay

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Neither is okay, yeah? I mean, in the past you thought the former was okay but it's heartening to see growth.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

You're on Odin, which currently has 500 open plots.

Why are we taking houses from people again ?

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Well if Odin is anything like Siren maybe the issue is, as we all know, FCs are those open plots and they AREN'T buying them bc they are too busy buying properties that could also go to private buyers.

FCs should all have to go Dynamis and the housing should all be changed in favor of private buyers.

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Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe

Well if Odin is anything like Siren maybe the issue is, as we all know, FCs are those open plots and they AREN'T buying them bc they are too busy buying properties that could also go to private buyers.

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Odin has fc plots and private plots available, and there were plots of both kinds with 0 bids last cycle. No one is missing out in EU anymore. All of the malding and brainstorming for ways to take away people's plots is coming from NA.

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Originally Posted by Sindele

Everyone has the option - you just don't want to because you think it's more costly than it's worth. Which is fine - but at some point you've got to live with the choices you make. How many multi-owners do you really think you'd shake out on Balmung, anyway? The scant handful that exist are going to be very canny and very resource-rich people who would have found a way regardless, because for everyone else it's always been far easier to go elsewhere.

As for Dynamis, I can already see the near-guaranteed repeat of the Mateus situation on the horizon - when Dynamis' servers start filling up in 7.0 from people who get tired of 8 hour queues to get into Crystal and a wailing cry goes up that the houses are being taken up by the people who bought them after they sat around unused for months. Wasn't particularly sympathetic then, not going to be terribly sympathetic in the future. Part and parcel of moving to a popular server after it becomes popular.

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I really don't understand this take. Getting a small in NA is guaranteed even outside Dynamis. All Dynamis larges are taken or they are super competitive with the lotto.

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Originally Posted by Kaiproberts

I really don't understand this take. Getting a small in NA is guaranteed even outside Dynamis. All Dynamis larges are taken or they are super competitive with the lotto.

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Not on Crystal. Before auto-demo there were 20-30, sometimes more, bids on the few available smalls. We got a nice chunk opened up from auto-demo, even a lot of mediums and some larges. But give it 2-3 rounds and those will be gone, with a good many still homeless.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

Odin has fc plots and private plots available, and there were plots of both kinds with 0 bids last cycle. No one is missing out in EU anymore. All of the malding and brainstorming for ways to take away people's plots is coming from NA.

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Let's be honest with ourselves, it's Balmung and Mateus 90% of the time.

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Originally Posted by ElysiumDragon

Let's be honest with ourselves, it's Balmung and Mateus 90% of the time.

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We have to understand those poor Souls, unable to rewrite RP backgrounds for Server movements or going directly for a medium / large instead for going small first. Just like Flies getting into a bug zapper.
Instead just daydreaming that Square would give in to waist server ressources on additional housing on overpopulated worlds instead on new worlds.

Can’t really blame them though… there’s only 6 larges a ward (including the subdivision) and only so many mediums. If you don’t bid when they’re available, you’re going to be waiting a long time to get another chance. And even the smalls have high competition nowadays because there’s so few of them. May as well try for what you really want when you have the chance.

Def, we are seeing a lot of houses open up on Jenova this round also.

Last round we had about 10 total houses available for bidding and the bids went through the roof...

Even though I'm crossing my fingers I still believe all players should be able to have a house. Maybe this message will reach SE at some point. We can only hope and pray <3

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Originally Posted by Mr_Happy

Def, we are seeing a lot of houses open up on Jenova this round also.

Last round we had about 10 total houses available for bidding and the bids went through the roof...

Even though I'm crossing my fingers I still believe all players should be able to have a house. Maybe this message will reach SE at some point. We can only hope and pray <3

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We should be able to have the house size that we want/can afford as well.

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Originally Posted by Kaiproberts

We should be able to have the house size that we want/can afford as well.

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Sorry, you are not going to get a free S60 just for yourself uncontested because you want it, should have moved to Dynamis on day 1, you'd probably have one by now.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Sorry, you are not going to get a free S60 just for yourself uncontested because you want it, should have moved to Dynamis on day 1, you'd probably have one by now.

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I couldn't care less about a Tier 1 large. I WANT any large that faces its' entrance but I have been bidding on the lowest entry larges regardless. There's 5 Goblet Larges on Siren right now. All are 10+ entries so it's not like my chances of getting ANY large are better than a dream large right now anyway.

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Originally Posted by Kaiproberts

We should be able to have the house size that we want/can afford as well.

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We should be able to have every mount and minion that we want/can afford as well! Give us everything SE because we pay sub. FFS.

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Originally Posted by MINEHausMINE

We should be able to have every mount and minion that we want/can afford as well! Give us everything SE because we pay sub. FFS.

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We can have every purchasable mount and minion we can afford. Crap analogy.

I just like the elitism getting a house for your ffxiv barbie doll gives people lol

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Originally Posted by Pablomaldito

We can have every purchasable mount and minion we can afford. Crap analogy.

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Is it really though? I don't have the HW, SB, ShB Ex mounts. Should I just expect them to be handed to me because I posted about it on the OF and stated how unfair it is that I actually have to work for it? Or we could go further. I'm in the EU, how come I didn't get a chance to buy the Butterfinger exclusive mount or the /pizza emote. I pay my sub just like everyone in the NA regions.

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Originally Posted by PaalHenrik

Is it really though? I don't have the HW, SB, ShB Ex mounts. Should I just expect them to be handed to me because I posted about it on the OF and stated how unfair it is that I actually have to work for it? Or we could go further. I'm in the EU, how come I didn't get a chance to buy the Butterfinger exclusive mount or the /pizza emote. I pay my sub just like everyone in the NA regions.

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Mounts and minions are not content. The Pizza emote and Butterfinger mount do not receive new items to use with them every patch. Houses do.

There is a massive portion of the game that less that half of the active NA/EU playerbase can enjoy. All because Square doesn't want to add more wards/instance things.

I legit would pay an additional 20 dollars a month in sub fees for an instanced house. Many others have said the same thing. I even suggested it to a community rep in 2019 in a QnA. But Square just seems to want to bury their heads and ignore the community.

I'm tired. I've been trying for a SMALL since 2.4. I still have no house. I feel like the game just doesn't have housing at all, despite me offering to pay additional money for it.

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Originally Posted by Pablomaldito

We can have every purchasable mount and minion we can afford. Crap analogy.

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that's a crap hat.

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Originally Posted by Sourcy

Mounts and minions are not content. The Pizza emote and Butterfinger mount do not receive new items to use with them every patch. Houses do.

There is a massive portion of the game that less that half of the active NA/EU playerbase can enjoy. All because Square doesn't want to add more wards/instance things.

I legit would pay an additional 20 dollars a month in sub fees for an instanced house. Many others have said the same thing. I even suggested it to a community rep in 2019 in a QnA. But Square just seems to want to bury their heads and ignore the community.

I'm tired. I've been trying for a SMALL since 2.4. I still have no house. I feel like the game just doesn't have housing at all, despite me offering to pay additional money for it.

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But you won't create an alt on another server where SE has GIVEN you houses. JFC on a cracker.

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Originally Posted by Pablomaldito

We can have every purchasable mount and minion we can afford. Crap analogy.

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You can have EVERY crap house you want on OCE. EVERY one of them.

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Originally Posted by Sourcy

I legit would pay an additional 20 dollars a month in sub fees for an instanced house. Many others have said the same thing. I even suggested it to a community rep in 2019 in a QnA. But Square just seems to want to bury their heads and ignore the community.

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Same… I mean I had suggested maybe a retainer like fee, around $5 a month which is like $60 a year. But at this point, I don’t care what it would cost as long as the instanced plot is both indoor and outdoor, has all the same functionality, and can be made to look like any plot in the existing wards. I have a thread called Instanced Housing: Ideas & Details a bit further down. Beyond the problem of just securing a house at all, there’s never going to be enough mediums and larges for those that want them. With instanced, everyone could not only participate in housing, but also have their dream plot, without having to take anything away from anyone else. Let the wards stay as they are, but make an instanced option for those that want it.

There’s another Q&A for the PAX East thing on the 24th, and there’s a thread to post questions. I may try to write something up about instanced housing for that.

It’s just so soul-crushing to lose lotto after lotto… if I didn’t love the rest of the game so much, this housing situation would have made me rage quit a long time ago. This game does so many other things so well, it’s incredibly frustrating that they can’t get this right.

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Originally Posted by SweetEquity

But you won't create an alt on another server where SE has GIVEN you houses. JFC on a cracker.

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I don’t do alts. (I do have a level 2 conjurer alt that I created before New Game Plus came out because I wanted to relive the story. NGP made the alt irrelevant.) That’s one of the upsides of this game is that you can do everything on one character. And transferring my main, with all the stuff I’ve accumulated over the years, not to mention my social ties to participate in another lotto on an underpopulated server where I know no one is a hard ask.

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Originally Posted by SweetEquity

But you won't create an alt on another server where SE has GIVEN you houses. JFC on a cracker.

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And do what exactly? All my friends and FC RP events are on Crystal. Literally a decade of character building and storylines. And Walk up RPers just will not go through the tedium of DC travel just to see a house.

Sure I can make an alt on Dynamis and get a house. In fact I DID. I cannot decorate it. I cannot do anything to it on my main. All the neat, untradable things I have, gil, crafting skills, none can be used by the level 63 catboy alt. I can't even give him any of it without having someone come over via DC travel to be a pack mule.

I don't see why anyone would be against more wards/instanced housing for the life of me. It not only FLOODS the Furniture market with new buyers for the crafters, it also is a boon to new players who start the game or have yet to start the game.

How do you think someone who started last month will feel when they get told "Yeah you can buy a house!" and then see every plot on every server filled to the brim?

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Originally Posted by Sourcy

How do you think someone who started last month will feel when they get told "Yeah you can buy a house!" and then see every plot on every server filled to the brim?

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Someone who started last month should have started in Dynamis. If they skipped all the bonuses to play on a busy server and can't get a house, that's their own fault. Veterans with connections have an excuse to not move, completely new players have no excuse.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

Someone who started last month should have started in Dynamis. If they skipped all the bonuses to play on a busy server and can't get a house, that's their own fault. Veterans with connections have an excuse to not move, completely new players have no excuse.

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Yes. Because the first thing you would think is "I should go buy a house instantly!" instead of finishing the MSQ, Leveling, unlocking other things. And the Gil given could be spent elsewhere by a new player who doesn't have the immediate knowledge that housing is a "GET IT NOW." situation.

Housing is a side quest that is easily missed by a new player and not mentioned. All these houses were immediately gobbled up by transferring vets/vet alts and now new players who finally are finished with EW look around and see every plot taken.

Besides, imagine someone who started fresh today. By the time they get to max and look at housing, it's all going to be gone.

Again, the people here who have houses cling on to this "Forget you, I got mine. No more for the suckers who lost an RNG roll!" mentality that baffles me to no end.

Why would you be against everyone being able to have a house? It helps the Economy with thousands of more furniture buyers and is a huge gil sink. Is it because suddenly if another 3000 people of the 20k on your server own a house you would feel like yours is less special?

And honestly, there should be enough houses on a server for everyone who plays on that server to have one. Most of the NA worlds are locked now. New people are starting on the new servers as they should, since 6.3. But older players transferring to the new worlds should not be the only action taken to address the problem. Because eventually Dynamis will grow and have the same problem: too many people, not enough houses. There’s only 9000 plots a server if I have my math right. Now look at how many people play on any given server. Then figure in that individual players and FCs are both vying for those plots. There’s nowhere near enough for everyone and we’re all paying the same sub.

Now we can either start getting ridiculous with restrictions and trying to get rid of multiple home-ownership (which as others have said would only be a drop in the bucket anyways) or we can push for an instanced system which can actually solve the supply issue. Let the 30 wards stay as they are, but add instanced to make up for the shortfall. I know I’m repeating myself here, but throwing more wards and even more worlds is not solving the core problem. My world was a preferred world when I started… only takes a few years to grow congested.

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Originally Posted by Sourcy

Why would you be against everyone being able to have a house? It helps the Economy with thousands of more furniture buyers and is a huge gil sink. Is it because suddenly if another 3000 people of the 20k on your server own a house you would feel like yours is less special?

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Because it doesnt make sense to throw server capacity on overcrowded servers. It only make sense to install new worlds to spread the playerbase. Specially with the login queues on new addon releases. I swear the Crystal DC should spent less time in RP and visiting a Business course from time to time.

I basically agree with the thread; transferring to a new server should not be the only way to get a good house; the system is dumb, archaic, and needs a good looking at.

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Originally Posted by Kaiproberts

I basically agree with the thread; transferring to a new server should not be the only way to get a good house; the system is dumb, archaic, and needs a good looking at.

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It's arguably better now vs back when when it was spam clicking placards or always having to be ready to relocate at the drop of a dime.

Losing to RNG sucks, and I really think they could tweak the system a bit more so it's easier to place bids and collect your gil if you didn't win, but getting a house used to arguably be a full time job instead of just bid and forget.

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Originally Posted by Dogempire

It's arguably better now vs back when when it was spam clicking placards or always having to be ready to relocate at the drop of a dime.

Losing to RNG sucks, and I really think they could tweak the system a bit more so it's easier to place bids and collect your gil if you didn't win, but getting a house used to arguably be a full time job instead of just bid and forget.

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I 100% believe determined individuals had way better luck before the lottery system. You can have 100+ entries on a good large but it would never be camped by 100+ people. The lottery system just made it easier for everyone with alts to put in multiple entries. I would rather go back to the free trading of houses; larges wouldn't be 1 bil gil to buy from another player if that were the case. The whole system is completely borked.

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Originally Posted by Kaiproberts

I 100% believe determined individuals had way better luck before the lottery system.

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And bots.... especially bots. They didn't need to work, eat, sleep, use the bathroom, etc... It was a great time for bots.

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Originally Posted by Pablomaldito

And bots.... especially bots. They didn't need to work, eat, sleep, use the bathroom, etc... It was a great time for bots.

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Why not skip all the bots and placard clicking and just let players trade houses without restriction again? Aftermarket prices would be a A LOT cheaper than they are now. 1 bil for a large and 500 mil for a medium is bonkers. Larges used to be 200-300 mil and mediums were 70-150 mil -ish

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Originally Posted by Kaiproberts

Why not skip all the bots and placard clicking and just let players trade houses without restriction again? Aftermarket prices would be a A LOT cheaper than they are now. 1 bil for a large and 500 mil for a medium is bonkers. Larges used to be 200-300 mil and mediums were 70-150 mil -ish

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Letting people trade houses would make it too convenient and easy, housing has to be torture and you have to wait a 5 days bidding period, then go and claim your gil and enjoy the walk of shame, you will do it and you will like it, square enix doesnt like convenience, its more fun for them if you suffer through these 9 days cycle over and over again and lose every time.

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Originally Posted by Kaiproberts

Why not skip all the bots and placard clicking and just let players trade houses without restriction again? Aftermarket prices would be a A LOT cheaper than they are now. 1 bil for a large and 500 mil for a medium is bonkers. Larges used to be 200-300 mil and mediums were 70-150 mil -ish

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They were cheaper because they were all resold. Now only a small portion are resold because resellers lose the lottery to real buyers. Fewer houses resold means a higher price. There has also been quite a lot of inflation since then.

Trading houses must have been before my time… but I really miss instant relocation. :(

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

then go and claim your gil and enjoy the walk of shame

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This walk of shame is a diffirent issue (and one they should solve)

But the cycle itself is not an issue. 9 days might be a long cycle. But it barely matters as the number of available houses doesnt change over time anyway. Either it could for example be 1 per day, or 9 every cycle. And with 9 per cycle, the odds are generaly visualy better (instead of 270 people on 1 house every day, its more likely 30 on 9), even though effectively its the same: 9/270 get a house. It removes the daily online requirement which is a positive thing.

And that its 270 people bidding is again another issue (lack of supply). And again, its not the lottery, or the cycle of the lottery being the issue here.

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Originally Posted by UkcsAlias

This walk of shame is a diffirent issue (and one they should solve)

But the cycle itself is not an issue. 9 days might be a long cycle. But it barely matters as the number of available houses doesnt change over time anyway. Either it could for example be 1 per day, or 9 every cycle. And with 9 per cycle, the odds are generaly visualy better (instead of 270 people on 1 house every day, its more likely 30 on 9), even though effectively its the same: 9/270 get a house. It removes the daily online requirement which is a positive thing.

And that its 270 people bidding is again another issue (lack of supply). And again, its not the lottery, or the cycle of the lottery being the issue here.

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There is an underlying reason for that though, because if the rounds were faster, we'd run out of houses even faster, showing the flaws in the system and the absolute scarcity of housing (on NA only minus Dyna, I cant tell about JP, but EU is fine)

The problem itself should be fixed, this is not fixing anything its just delaying it