Roleplay Party Finder Account Suspensions

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Originally Posted by TosumeTosu

1. Do you not know how creepy it is to ask people you just met in-game to send you their ID for an age check or to hop on a voice call with them? Or the fact that some people like a measure of privacy and don't give their discords out.

2. If an adult either ignores the fact that someone is a minor then yes, they are at fault. However, if someone actively lies about their age whether it is for an RP venue or to get into an FC, that person blatantly disrespected boundaries that were laid out plainly and clearly.

3. Most players are not immortal who just want to go around sexting or corrupting teenage players. Hence why a lot of venues are 18+ and blacklist/block people they find out to be underage. A majority of people already enforce it in a way that is reasonable for what the game allows because pretty creepy for strangers to want to hear your voice to try to verify whether you are an adult or not or request that you send them your ID.

Lastly, it isn't hollow for adults to say that they don't want to be in the company of minors. A majority of players already enforce it by using the in-game measures of blocking/blacklisting people if they lie about their age. If you'd rather adults just hang around teenagers in-game and not even bother to say they want the company of other adults, I mean by all means.

I just personally find it is creepy that some players would rather adults hang out and RP with teenagers who may be upwards of a decade or more younger than them and not have spaces where adults don't have to be in the company of children because apparently adults wanting to hang out with other adults is somehow problematic because children who lie about their age don't listen and/or respect boundaries?

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The only creepy people are the ones that ERP with people, not caring if they are minors or not, all the while having 'carrd' pages with ERP type of stuff on them. If you don't at least make an attempt to understand who you are interacting with, that is on you as an adult, just like IRL.

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Originally Posted by TosumeTosu

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Yes it is creepy and as a roleplayer myself i feel for all other roleplayers. I know 18+ doesn't just mean ERP, it means also other adult content and especially when you go into the direction of tabletop RPGs with well...things that include also gore and death and stuff ofc that is also 18+. So i don't blame the roleplayers flying under the radar completely, sure it is also a bit their fault but what i would wish for is MMOs, which will never happen, rating their games as 18+. But they would lose a huge audience with that which well leads to less money.

It's just sad that we are in this weird limbo between laws, protecting minors and well allowing adults to do what they want between themselves. SE wants both young and old people as audience, roleplayers want to roleplay adult themes and well governments and parents want their kids to be safe. And these things clash with each other and as long as this doesn't get resolved in any way there will always be people who go to the chopping block to be the example that SE actually does "care" even if they turn a blind eye on the rest.

So the only problem i see with the adult players here is that their standards get so easily compromised. Heck i would be freaking out having ERP with a random dude in the quicksand (we take the fact that i play Lalafell out here for the sake of this example) cause they could be a minor and i don't know it. And this is the point, the fact that this isn't troubling people at all they just accepted it as part of the system that 1/10 is maybe a tiny bit underaged is...creepy at best.

That said, i like the roleplayer culture and all the nightclubs even though i don't visit them. And i would hate seeing that culture getting just nuked, i mean Covid really hits all of us hard and i believe that many of the people going to such clubs ingame just want to relax a bit and taking that away idk i would be against it, personally. But there will be people who will get hurt in the future and as long as all people accept this moral limbo as a compromise this will go on.

So the lesson to be learned here is that if it hits you, you shouldn't cry about it. Cause you are part of the system. If SE decides you need to be the next example so they can say that they actually care, then you take the bullet for the rest. Making a forum post about it like this thread well it won't change anything. That is what i want people to understand at the end. And it is the same with mods. SE can't ban everyone, half of the playerbase is modding their game in some sort by now but to show that they do something here and there people will get hurt and get a ban, it's a risk you might or might not want to take.

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

The 'Teen' rating' holds in the United States and other parts of North America. The ESRB holds little sway around the rest of the world. In most of Asia this game is rated 15+, in most of Europe it is rated 16+.

Those ratings give wide latitude to retailers to limit sales of a game, but that's not their main purpose. The game rating system is a Band-Aid that pretends there is no need for policing video games by law because, see, game producers are voluntarily suggesting age ranges for which a game is suitable, despite not knowing anything about your children or what you'd allow them to play. I'm pretty sure that a 10 year old with a credit card can purchase M-rated games via Steam (used as an example only), as there is no way for Steam to verify your age, other than to ask and pretend that's enough.

Please keep this in mind as you attempt arguments using "for the kids".

This game was never designed "for the kids", although SE is perfectly welcome to police their game in any way they choose. There are plenty of other venues, non-RP venues by the way, where interactions between players are both unregulated and possibly dangerous "for the kids".

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My point was not semantics regarding the age rating. My point was that the game devs want to attract a certain demographic - ideally as wide a net/as inclusive as possible within the laws of certain countries, and will enforce a very PG-13-esque game strictly rather than risk potential banning from an entire country, such as Australia.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

So the only problem i see with the adult players here is that their standards get so easily compromised. Heck i would be freaking out having ERP with a random dude in the quicksand (we take the fact that i play Lalafell out here for the sake of this example) cause they could be a minor and i don't know it. And this is the point, the fact that this isn't troubling people at all they just accepted it as part of the system that 1/10 is maybe a tiny bit underaged is...creepy at best.

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Why is that creepy?

Deliberately grooming minors is awful. We all agree on that. No one here is in favor of kids having pretend video game sex with adults.

But if I ask someone's age and they lie to me, why should I care? I've done as much as any porn website, adult game, or adult chat site on the internet does. If some minor somewhere untruthfully testifies about their age to access some porn site somewhere on the internet, I couldn't care less. I am not their parent. Why is it creepy if I choose not to devote any of my limited emotional bandwidth to worrying about whether some anonymous person on the internet is lying to me?

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Originally Posted by Kakure

Why is that creepy?

Deliberately grooming minors is awful. We all agree on that. No one here is in favor of kids having pretend video game sex with adults.

But if I ask someone's age and they lie to me, why should I care? I've done as much as any porn website, adult game, or adult chat site on the internet does. If some minor somewhere untruthfully testifies about their age to access some porn site somewhere on the internet, I couldn't care less. I am not their parent. Why is it creepy if I choose not to devote any of my limited emotional bandwidth to worrying about whether some anonymous person on the internet is lying to me?

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Cause it means you have compromised morals. Easy as that. Your morals are fake and compromised and you don't care about it. In most societies you have a public responsibility. Like not running naked through the streets in front of kiddos. Even if you paint on your forehead that you only want to be watched by adults.

In many countries you have this responsibility also online. Not to do shit in places where minors are active. No matter if you put 18+ up there or whatever. This is a fact, it's nothing optional and SE has to act after it or well corporations have to act like they care so they can cater to as many audiences as possible cause money. So people will get hurt, just not SE. xD

I on a personal level dislike any forms of RP, be it normal or ERP, but I always lived by the motto : Live and let live. As long you don't push it down my throat, you do yours.

But the problem is, this community is way too report happy, you get reported for the most minor things, be it, Glams, RP and ERP, Opinions, Profanity, simple mods, etc.

Oh, you called me an Idiot for failing an explained mechanic 10 times in a row ? Report!
Oh, you disagree with me ? Report!
Oh, you don't share the same views on things as me ? Report!
Oh, you don't like the mods I'm using to enhance my personal experience ? Report!


This is exactly the price you pay for this "nice" community. People are not robots they enjoy different things, have different views, like to speak their mind, and should not be penalized for it, even if you don't like it.

Every single person in here laser focused on the whole "18+" thing has completely and utterly missed the point. At no point did the GM state that was the issue, which is the ACTUAL issue going on here. That the only reason the GM said the suspensions were being issued is for "inappropriate" behavior is silly because "inappropriate" could mean literally anything. Inappropriate in what sense? In what context? Inappropriate because it was sexually implied? Inappropriate because it wasn't related to the game or game mechanics? What exactly is "inappropriate"? Anyone pointing at the 18+ thing... I think that speaks more about you than it does the GM.

The GM has gone on an RP crusade before, last year, and the 18+ topic wasn't even brought up because it had nothing to do with what was happening. "18+" is being used as a scapegoat, and not even by the GM, but by the community itself.

I also read some comments about "good riddance, the sooner the ERP brothels are gone, the better" and all I have to say to you is this.

Mind your own business.

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Originally Posted by GaleMex

Every single person in here laser focused on the whole "18+" thing has completely and utterly missed the point. At no point did the GM state that was the issue, which is the ACTUAL issue going on here. That the only reason the GM said the suspensions were being issued is for "inappropriate" behavior is silly because "inappropriate" could mean literally anything. Inappropriate in what sense? In what context? Inappropriate because it was sexually implied? Inappropriate because it wasn't related to the game or game mechanics? What exactly is "inappropriate"? Anyone pointing at the 18+ thing... I think that speaks more about you than it does the GM.

The GM has gone on an RP crusade before, last year, and the 18+ topic wasn't even brought up because it had nothing to do with what was happening. "18+" is being used as a scapegoat, and not even by the GM, but by the community itself.

I also read some comments about "good riddance, the sooner the ERP brothels are gone, the better" and all I have to say to you is this.

Mind your own business.

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The carrds. It was mentioned then and is mentioned in this thread.

Maybe you should read before telling people to mind their own business.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

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It's understandable to want to protect minors from predatory adults. But the way that you do that isn't by removing 18+ or thinking players who only want to want to interact with other 18+ people or thinking that they should just accept a ban because they... didn't want to interact with kids. If anything, it can send the message that it is more acceptable if an adult interacts with a teenager than it is for an adult to interact with another adult. 18+ players who don't want to interact with children shouldn't be put on a chopping block because they're doing what other reasonable, non-predatory adults would do.

It's one thing to pause and ask someone if they're an adult before continuing an ERP or to just not do an ERP because you are unsure of their age, it is another to ask that someone that you met in-game, via roleplay, should send you age verification via either an ID or voice call. That part is creepy and it comes off as a violation of privacy or attempting to do so. Many people, especially women, don't want to do give out their discord let alone voice calls because of the number of creepy weirdos you can get.

If it isn't against TOS to put 18+ in a venue, then it shouldn't be a bannable offense. You're asking people who aren't predatory to just "take one for the team" and get punished for trying to do the right thing. Of course, this could probably be fixed if SE added some verification on their end. Alternatively, being able to actively kick people out of FCs and bar them from entering. If they want to show they care, they can remove people that are legitimate harassers and stalkers as opposed to punishing someone for notwanting to interact with kids.

If they're going to make 18+ against the rules or something that can't be listed, then go ahead and make it a blatant part of the TOS.

Like, from personal experience the reason I have 18+ only in my search info isn't that I have modded NSFW and am just ERPing. It's because I, as someone who is in their mid-twenties, does not want to engage in a roleplay with someone who is nearly 10 years younger than me and still in high school, especially not over the internet. It can become a weird power dynamic and as a reasonable adult, I don't want to engage in that for the sake of "not being punished" or to avoid "taking the bullet".

tldr; Most adults do reasonable diligence to make sure they aren't rping with minors and unless advertising a venue as 18+ is against TOS it shouldn't be a punishable offense and roleplayers who actively want to cultivate spaces for adults shouldn't be punished or have to "take the bullet" while genuinely predatory people get to continue doing whatever they're doing.

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Originally Posted by Zsolen

The carrds. It was mentioned then and is mentioned in this thread.

Maybe you should read before telling people to mind their own business.

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Did the GM mention the carrds in the conversations with these people? The two occasions I've seen don't mention them.

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Originally Posted by GaleMex

Did the GM mention the carrds in the conversations with these people? The two occasions I've seen don't mention them.

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They don't have to do so, but it is the common link. You put an ERP carrd in advertisement or on your character's info, and you are putting yourself at risk. SE made it quite clear to not advertise ERP. You keep something like that private.

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Originally Posted by Zsolen

The carrds. It was mentioned then and is mentioned in this thread.

Maybe you should read before telling people to mind their own business.

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Just one thing, but from past experience with literal fucking predators in this game, the GMs are instructed that anything that's outside the game cannot be used as basis for an in-game punishment. They won't even ban people who are preying on kids for real if there are no in-game logs.

So why does everyone think it's carrd? And even if it were the 18+ carrd, wouldn't that mean the GM was still breaching policy by issuing a warning for something on a third-party platform?
Addendum: Yes, they changed this rule for Twitch, but only for Twitch. I even recently spoke with a GM about things like RMT on Twitter and was told third-party platforms cannot be used as evidence except Twitch specifically.

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Originally Posted by armoroad

Just one thing, but from past experience with literal fucking predators in this game, the GMs are instructed that anything that's outside the game cannot be used as basis for an in-game punishment. They won't even ban people who are preying on kids for real if there are no in-game logs.

So why does everyone think it's carrd? And even if it were the 18+ carrd, wouldn't that mean the GM was breaching policy by issuing a warning for something on a third-party platform?

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It's linked to them in game. It's just like how Arthars got hit through his stream over attacking a player. He said nothing in game. FFXIV knows it is his character connected to the stream. SE also knows these carrds are connected to the characters.

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Originally Posted by Zsolen

It's linked to them in game. It's just like how Arthars got hit through his stream over attacking a player. He said nothing in game. FFXIV knows it is his character connected to the stream. SE also knows these carrds are connected to the characters.

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Stream is the cinch. The ToS cites Twitch to be an exception to the otherwise standing rule that third party platforms are not punishable. Selling art for gil on twitter, for example, even linked ingame, can't be punished under current policy.

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Originally Posted by Zsolen

They don't have to do so, but it is the common link. You put an ERP carrd in advertisement or on your character's info, and you are putting yourself at risk. SE made it quite clear to not advertise ERP. You keep something like that private.

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We're missing the point again.

This thread was never about ERP or selling/advertising ERP. The GM's only justification was "inappropriate", which is a barely defined term at best in this scenario. Harassing someone is inappropriate, too. Is that what happened? What is the "inappropriate"?

If the GM had simply stated something as short as "your advertisement contained a link with services that break our terms of service", then this thread wouldn't exist. We would all definitively have known what the problem is. But until such a clarification is made, pointing to the carrd's ERP services is missing the point at best and scapegoating at worst.

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Originally Posted by armoroad

Stream is the cinch. The ToS cites Twitch to be an exception to the otherwise standing rule that third party platforms are not punishable. Selling art for gil on twitter, for example, even linked ingame, can't be punished under current policy.

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The suspensions prove otherwise. SE doesn't rando ban so easily.

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Originally Posted by GaleMex

We're missing the point again.

This thread was never about ERP or selling/advertising ERP. The GM's only justification was "inappropriate", which is a barely defined term at best in this scenario. Harassing someone is inappropriate, too. Is that what happened? What is the "inappropriate"?

If the GM had simply stated something as short as "your advertisement contained a link with services that break our terms of service", then this thread wouldn't exist. We would all definitively have known what the problem is. But until such a clarification is made, pointing to the carrd's ERP services is missing the point at best and scapegoating at worst.

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The don't have to do so. From my understanding, they don't want you to connect the dots to the reporting individual. It's not hard to understand why SE doesn't want ERP carrds in their game. If you don't want to have an honest conversation and would instead prefer to misuse terms such as 'scapegoat,' maybe don't continue to respond.

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Originally Posted by Zsolen

The don't have to do so. From my understanding, they don't want you to connect the dots to the reporting individual. It's not hard to understand why SE doesn't want ERP carrds in their game. If you don't want to have an honest conversation and would instead prefer to misuse terms such as 'scapegoat,' maybe don't continue to respond.

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You've gotta be a dang good detective to glean who reported you from stating "your pf has a link that contains something that breaks our ToS".

I'll have an honest conversation when people are honest with themselves that they just don't like RP of any kind, E or not, in their vicinity and/or server.

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Originally Posted by GaleMex

You've gotta be a dang good detective to glean who reported you from stating "your pf has a link that contains something that breaks our ToS".

I'll have an honest conversation when people are honest with themselves that they just don't like RP of any kind, E or not, in their vicinity and/or server.

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It is a blanket policy on anything. I don't make their rules. People have complained about it in the past. This thread feigns innocence. They knew they weren't innocent. People telling them not not use these carrds for that purpose is actually helping them out and not being anti-ERP.

Don't make assumptions about me. You have no clue what I am and am not okay with.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

Cause it means you have compromised morals. Easy as that. Your morals are fake and compromised and you don't care about it. In most societies you have a public responsibility. Like not running naked through the streets in front of kiddos. Even if you paint on your forehead that you only want to be watched by adults.

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That's offensive and patently ridiculous. And also not really an answer to my question.

I have zero desire to ERP with teenagers. None. (I don't really roleplay at all and consider myself more of an RP ally, but that's neither here nor there). I thought teenagers were stupid when I was a teenager myself, and now that I'm old enough to have teenagers of my own -- and many of my friends do -- you literally could not pay me to spend time with them (no offense to any teenagers out there, but you'll get it someday).

But I am not the police of underage sexuality and my duty of care cannot possibly extend beyond taking reasonable steps to make sure the person I'm roleplaying with is an adult. In a real-life setting (a bar, a strip club, a liquor store), it is reasonable to ask someone for physical ID. Here in a video game, asking someone their age is pretty much all you can reasonably expect. As Tosume has pointed out a couple times, what is actually invasive and creepy isn't taking someone's word about their age, it is pressing them to give you any kind of contact or personally identifying information to prove it.

I'm not sure what kind of public responsibility (presumably legal) you think I have, but it is laughable to suggest that my legal responsibility extends beyond the legal responsibility of an actual porn site which you can access just by checking a box that says you're eighteen. Some do not even do that.

Deliberately grooming kids is one thing. That is bad, no question, and it may be a crime. But that is not what we are talking about here. We're talking about adults taking reasonable, good-faith precautions to vet their RP partners and you freaking out and calling them names because they aren't super paranoid about the possibility that some kid could be lying to them.

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Originally Posted by Zsolen

It is a blanket policy on anything. I don't make their rules. People have complained about it in the past. This thread feigns innocence. They knew they weren't innocent. People telling them not not use these carrds for that purpose is actually helping them out and not being anti-ERP.

Don't make assumptions about me. You have no clue what I am and am not okay with.

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Comments like "banning all the brothels is better off" and similar comments are not helpful, nor are the comments equating that 18+ = sexual implications/ERP. I have no beef with people suggesting that the ERP in the carrd is the problem and suggesting removing it, even though I think that is still missing the point.

At no point have I made an assumption about you specifically.

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Originally Posted by Zsolen

The suspensions prove otherwise. SE doesn't rando ban so easily.



The don't have to do so. From my understanding, they don't want you to connect the dots to the reporting individual. It's not hard to understand why SE doesn't want ERP carrds in their game. If you don't want to have an honest conversation and would instead prefer to misuse terms such as 'scapegoat,' maybe don't continue to respond.

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Calling it "an ERP carrd" is disingenuous at best. By this logic, I could be banned for a Tumblr or Twitter link, both of which contain NSFW content. Many discord servers do as well - are we no longer permitted to include a discord link because it might have an NSFW channel?

The carrd's focus was far and away not on the adult part of the venue. Of nine pages on the carrd, only one mentions adult RP, and it's only one of three sections.

I mean if it isn't a carrd...there is always the advertisement for 18+ content. Beautiful characters and company we all know what that means and so does SE.

"However, if you encourage or invite a player to participate in such role-play without being certain of their consent, there is a high possibility that you will be reported and penalized. Please be very careful."

Reading rules can help a lot. Cause:

"In the case of role-playing involving mildly sexual expressions (such as erotic role-playing) with a consenting group of two or more players, if it is conducted in a private area, it will not be considered a violation unless a report is made."

A club isn't a private area and if you advertise basically "beautiful company" you violate that rule. Cuz it is not private! Just cause it's your house doesn't mean it's private. GM probably saw "18+" and "Beautiful company" and "Be a mess" and was able to combine the pieces of that puzzle to what it actually means.

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Originally Posted by armoroad

Calling it "an ERP carrd" is disingenuous at best. By this logic, I could be banned for a Tumblr or Twitter link, both of which contain NSFW content. Many discord servers do as well - are we no longer permitted to include a discord link because it might have an NSFW channel?

The carrd's focus was far and away not on the adult part of the venue. Of nine pages on the carrd, only one mentions adult RP, and it's only one of three sections.

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If you post a link into the game which leads to adult content then yes, you are absolutely at serious risk of getting your account hit if a GM sees it.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

I mean if it isn't a carrd...there is always the advertisement for 18+ content. Beautiful characters and company we all know what that means and so does SE.

"However, if you encourage or invite a player to participate in such role-play without being certain of their consent, there is a high possibility that you will be reported and penalized. Please be very careful."

Reading rules can help a lot. Cause:

"In the case of role-playing involving mildly sexual expressions (such as erotic role-playing) with a consenting group of two or more players, if it is conducted in a private area, it will not be considered a violation unless a report is made."

A club isn't a private area and if you advertise basically "beautiful company" you violate that rule. Cuz it is not private! Just cause it's your house doesn't mean it's private. GM probably saw "18+" and "Beautiful company" and "Be a mess" and was able to combine the pieces of that puzzle to what it actually means.

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Sir, the ERP is in locked personal chambers in the FC house. It's private.

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Originally Posted by armoroad

Calling it "an ERP carrd" is disingenuous at best. By this logic, I could be banned for a Tumblr or Twitter link, both of which contain NSFW content. Many discord servers do as well - are we no longer permitted to include a discord link because it might have an NSFW channel?

The carrd's focus was far and away not on the adult part of the venue. Of nine pages on the carrd, only one mentions adult RP, and it's only one of three sections.

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Ah yes more words used to create a false narrative. Let's call something 'disingenous.' That will work.

If SE can link something to your in game character that is NSFW, you are putting yourself in a bad position. I don't report people over this stuff, myself, but people will do it. I would much rather people act more responsibly, on their own accord. If the NSFW channela in the Discord require certain permissions, you might be good. I wouldn't know.

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Originally Posted by GaleMex

Comments like "banning all the brothels is better off" and similar comments are not helpful, nor are the comments equating that 18+ = sexual implications/ERP. I have no beef with people suggesting that the ERP in the carrd is the problem and suggesting removing it, even though I think that is still missing the point.

At no point have I made an assumption about you specifically.

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But you did. I want honest convos. You said you will have it when people admit they are anti-RP. Why would that be your response to me, if I was never your intended target.

Also not missing the point. OP knows what they did. SE being vague is an old thing everyone knows about. It's been talked about often. I doubt SE would even consider changing that policy.

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Originally Posted by armoroad

Sir, the ERP is in locked personal chambers in the FC house. It's private.

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It was private until a GM came snooping around after receiving a report, and discovered gil was being exchanged for ERP, which is absolutely explicitly not allowed as per the words out of Yoshi-P's own mouth. GMs can access locked rooms and read the logs of everything that happened in them.

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Originally Posted by armoroad

Sir, the ERP is in locked personal chambers in the FC house. It's private.

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YES! And still you advertised it publicly. Who knows how the venue at the end looks? The GM doesn't. If you write "FAT BOOBAS COME NOW TO XYZ" into the PF and then you sell them in private darkrooms so nobody can see that they are actually Hrothgar, the GM doesn't know that. They see what you advertise and that is enough. 18+ + obvious escort/brothel advertisement is enough to get you into Gaol.

Cause what they know is that the venue you can go to is publicly available, i mean lol you posted the adress in PF. And you promised a bunch of naughty 18+ things. You think the GM visits the venue and makes a background check on all the stuff that is going on there?

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Originally Posted by Zsolen

But you did. I want honest convos. You said you will have it when people admit they are anti-RP. Why would that be your response to me, if I was never your intended target.

Also not missing the point. OP knows what they did. SE being vague is an old thing everyone knows about. It's been talked about often. I doubt SE would even consider changing that policy.

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That was not pointed at you, specifically, but I will admit that I may have been overly general and rude and understand that you felt targeted. Apologies.

In the interest of being honest, to me, the point of this thread was genuinely never about ERP or carrds. The point was SE's vague language leading to discourse about what specifically is the issue here, resulting in confusion and then later multiple inferences made on something as vaguely defined as "inappropriate".

This is tangential, but something else that really odds me out is that multiple people have been issued 3 day suspensions when that isn't even the lowest tier of punishment. I've personally known people who did things like exploit the Ungarmax bug back in Stormblood when Squadrons were introduced and they only received a 1 day suspension. If the accounts have no prior warnings or strikes, why was the punishment ramped up so quickly?

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Originally Posted by GaleMex

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Apology accepted.

My point to you before is that the OP knew and was relying upon SE's policy of being vague to gain sympathy. They knew they had something NSFW out there. They had the real reason. It wasn't because of normal RP ads were targeted by a GM. SE's policy itself has been talked about often on these forums.

I have never heard anyone that used Ungarmax only get one day.

SE on their suspensions:

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◆ Temporary Service Account Suspension
"Temporary Service Account Suspension" is a penalty issued when a serious violation is confirmed. When a Temporary Service Account Suspension penalty is issued, the user will not be able to play Final Fantasy XIV during the applicable suspension period.

There are three types of Temporary Service Account Suspension: 3 Days, 10 Days, and 20 Days. The duration of the suspension period is determined according to the severity of the violation, combined with the player's record of past violations. Even if a Caution or Warning was not issued in respect of past behavior, a temporary suspension may be imposed depending on the nature of the violation.

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People ought to read the "Prohibited Activities" definition of ERP.

It does not match the actual reality of what ERP is.

SE cannot condone something in its guidelines that would put their ESRB at risk.

Dev's gave you fellowships, but RPs still go to PF and get banned time after time.

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Originally Posted by kejakalope

It was private until a GM came snooping around after receiving a report, and discovered gil was being exchanged for ERP, which is absolutely explicitly not allowed as per the words out of Yoshi-P's own mouth. GMs can access locked rooms and read the logs of everything that happened in them.

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Why in the world would you willingly go into someone's room where the other person clearly has the intent to engage in adult RP, only to report them?

You can't report on behalf of others, it would have had to have been one of the persons involved.

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Originally Posted by Imora

Why in the world would you willingly go into someone's room where the other person clearly has the intent to engage in adult RP, only to report them?

You can't report on behalf of others, it would have had to have been one of the persons involved.

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Like I said twice already throughout this thread:

There are literally people out there who want the nightlife/RP scene shut down fully and will go into venues to trap workers for the sake of reporting them. It's happened before and still occurs now.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Like I said twice already throughout this thread:

There are literally people out there who want the nightlife/RP scene shut down fully and will go into venues to trap workers for the sake of reporting them. It's happened before and still occurs now.

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That in itself should be an offense. Disruption of gameplay.

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Originally Posted by Imora

That in itself should be an offense. Disruption of gameplay.

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Yes, but what exactly are you gonna say as a counter to that report? "Yes, I was violating the ToS but so were they!"?

Doesn't change the fact that the person in question originally was in violation nor the ruling put onto the person by the GMs. It's a gross way to go about it on the part of the reporters but it doesn't change the reality of the situation that you're breaking the ToS by having paid brothel services and advertising it publicly. The acts themselves are behind closed doors, yes, but the advertisements and carrd information are not.

That is the actual issue here compared to the actual act of ERP. If the ERP was the issue, then the game would be like PSO2:NGS where all messages (private or public) are scanned for sexual content and people are permanently banned shortly after.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Yes, but what exactly are you gonna say as a counter to that report? "Yes, I was violating the ToS but so were they!"?

Doesn't change the fact that the person in question originally was in violation nor the ruling put onto the person by the GMs. It's a gross way to go about it on the part of the reporters but it doesn't change the reality of the situation that you're breaking the ToS by having paid brothel services and advertising it publicly. The acts themselves are behind closed doors, yes, but the advertisements and carrd information are not.

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At best both will be ban. This problem has been here since forever, or in any social media really, salty people are going to report you because blocking/ignoring and moving on with your life is not enough. Then, you have an even more special kind that do it for the luls, I meet many that like annoying others to get a reaction and then report.

Still, this is a self made problem by the ERP community in particular, instead of keeping a low profile the whole thing evolved to what we have now. Some forget that even if SE look the other way if they could make it go away without loosing money they will.

It's like with DPS metters, tolerated as long as you keep it to yourself.

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Originally Posted by kejakalope

which is absolutely explicitly not allowed as per the words out of Yoshi-P's own mouth.

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Errm, are you sure that Yoshi-P said something like that? O_o

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Originally Posted by Larirawiel

Errm, are you sure that Yoshi-P said something like that? O_o

Cheers

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Press: What is your official stance on player-run “brothels,” wherein two consenting players have cybersex in exchange for in-game currency? [This was a contentious question, and one that Yoshida seemed blindsided by. -Ed]

Yoshida: First of all, there is a user agreement that all players have to agree to before they can even start playing Final Fantasy XIV. Within that user agreement is a clause that prohibits any unacceptable conduct to this end, including behavior that infringes upon laws. Any players who violate those rules will be punished by banning or other penalties. This applies no matter which end of the exchange a player is on. Everyone who plays Final Fantasy XIV is subject to investigation for violating the terms of service, period. Because Final Fantasy XIV is a worldwide game, there is the potential for players from many different regions to interact with one another, and we have legal support available to assist us in investigations to this end in many countries. If you see someone engaging in this type of behavior, we ask you to report it.

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Original: https://www.cgmagonline.com/intervie...naoki-yoshida/

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Originally Posted by Driavna

Original: https://www.cgmagonline.com/intervie...naoki-yoshida/

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Thank you. But he mentioned "including behavior that infringes upon laws". I can not see how it violates laws. OK, maybe in Germany it is not such a big problem. But if they start to allow only such behavior which is the least common denominator of all countries you can play FF14 then almost nothing will be allowed anymore. Mhhh ... not a good outlook for the players. :/


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Originally Posted by Larirawiel

Thank you. But he mentioned "including behavior that infringes upon laws". I can not see how it violates laws. OK, maybe in Germany it is not such a big problem. But if they start to allow only such behavior which is the least common denominator of all countries you can play FF14 then almost nothing will be allowed anymore. Mhhh ... not a good outlook for the players. :/


Cheers

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Kind of can't do much about that unless they either choose to not make the game global or every country in the world aligns their laws to be the same. What's allowed and viewed as fine in your country may or may not be viewed the same in another (referring to how you can't see how it violates anything). They're still a company at the end of the day and have to protect themselves.