Months of harassment

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Originally Posted by Kikoten

Are they still at it? I left the Novice Network a long time ago because I wasn't a mentor at the time and I didn't find anything particularly useful in it. I'm on Brynhildr, and I can't remember which Data Center that's on right now, I'm short circuiting. I find it funny that SE hasn't dealt with this troll yet, because from what I've read so far, the player has violated ToS in almost every way possible. Is it possible for SE to ban a whole IP from their game? Because that's what needs done with this person. The only thing I can think that might be slowing SE down on dealing with this is if they're investigating whether or not the person's account got hacked/stolen... but even then, does it really take that long for them to determine that?

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It has currently stopped, but it could be like last time. He did this crap a few months ago, left for a while, then came back and started it up again. We don't know if he just stopped playing for X amount of time, or if he received a temp ban. Same with the current silence from him now.

1. Report the player to support with details about the harassment.
2. Add the player to your blacklist to ensure you no longer can view the harassment. The most people blist him the less reaction and attention he will recieve. Trolls get bored when no one is paying attention to them.
3. Encourage players affected by his actions to add him to blacklist. The more this happens the less attention overall he'll get and eventually will leave NN.

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Originally Posted by Lauren

1. Report the player to support with details about the harassment.
2. Add the player to your blacklist to ensure you no longer can view the harassment. The most people blist him the less reaction and attention he will recieve. Trolls get bored when no one is paying attention to them.
3. Encourage players affected by his actions to add him to blacklist. The more this happens the less attention overall he'll get and eventually will leave NN.

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Just a semi dumb question but if I Blacklist a character does it Blacklist all the characters on the account in this game? Some games do it that way and some don't which is why I am asking.

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Originally Posted by Myrany

Just a semi dumb question but if I Blacklist a character does it Blacklist all the characters on the account in this game? Some games do it that way and some don't which is why I am asking.

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It just blacklists that one character.
Any other characters that player makes will not be blacklisted until you blacklist them, individually.

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Originally Posted by Lauren

2. Add the player to your blacklist to ensure you no longer can view the harassment. The most people blist him the less reaction and attention he will recieve. Trolls get bored when no one is paying attention to them.

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lol, this does nothing when he's using multiple throwaway characters. this game desperately needs some actual player-level social features like a "global friend" and "global block" that friends or blocks the account itself instead of the character.

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Originally Posted by Lauren

1. Report the player to support with details about the harassment.
2. Add the player to your blacklist to ensure you no longer can view the harassment. The most people blist him the less reaction and attention he will recieve. Trolls get bored when no one is paying attention to them.
3. Encourage players affected by his actions to add him to blacklist. The more this happens the less attention overall he'll get and eventually will leave NN.

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I know reading 20 pages is a bit long but why reply if you have no idea what you're talking about.
1. Been stated multiple times that many people filed what seemed like at least a hundred reports in-game in total against all of his characters.
2-3. He spams, he leaves, he creates a new character, he repeats. Not only would you have god knows how many blacklisted characters and probably reach the limit but you'd still see the spam once he comes back with a new character shortly after. He doesn't even stay in NN.


On the other hand, glad to see that it's been quiet for now, let's hope he's perma banned.

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Originally Posted by Lauren

1. Report the player to support with details about the harassment.
2. Add the player to your blacklist to ensure you no longer can view the harassment. The most people blist him the less reaction and attention he will recieve. Trolls get bored when no one is paying attention to them.
3. Encourage players affected by his actions to add him to blacklist. The more this happens the less attention overall he'll get and eventually will leave NN.

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Logic won't work here friend. If the issue is resolved there will no longer be a need to complain incessantly. People don't like to resolve anything these days. They would just rather complain about it.

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Originally Posted by Reap00

Logic won't work here friend. If the issue is resolved there will no longer be a need to complain incessantly. People don't like to resolve anything these days. They would just rather complain about it.

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"logic" like suggesting a character-level blacklist will function at all for multiple characters?

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Originally Posted by SnowVix

"logic" like suggesting a character-level blacklist will function at all for multiple characters?

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Exactly. They want us to ignore blatant ToS violations because they think ppl are complaining. Ugh. Easy to do when it doesn’t affect them.

Considering he cares enough to evade people by paying for a name change, I think smacking his main account/character with a ban is the very least SE could do. I've gotten GM notices for far less, so this is just unacceptable.

Reading this story now, it's all pretty horrid.
I really hope their main got permabanned.

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Originally Posted by AngelCheese77

Exactly. They want us to ignore blatant ToS violations because they think ppl are complaining. Ugh. Easy to do when it doesn’t affect them.

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It would never have an effect on me. I would ignore the person. Its very easy. You choose to inflate something that is very minor. That is your decision. I personally would not waste a single second on that type of person. All you are doing is empowering them.

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Originally Posted by Reap00

It would never have an effect on me. I would ignore the person. Its very easy. You choose to inflate something that is very minor. That is your decision. I personally would not waste a single second on that type of person. All you are doing is empowering them.

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The problem you have is that you only care about yourself.
While yes, all these mentors and some newbies maybe can just ignore this kind of thing knowing that it's just one rotten apple that obviously has some problems, those players that literally joined as this was happening might not find it easy to ignore.
And that is what matters here - the fact that the first impression of the community that new players get was absolutely ruined by that not very smart individual.

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Originally Posted by Lumivyory

The problem you have is that you only care about yourself.

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Yep. They haven't changed in all the time I've been here. Certainly not going to start now.

And doing their macro spam in Novice Network.

We were just hit three times in the past hour with this guy's hateful garbage over on Gilgamesh, and as of his last one it seems that he's started linking to this thread in his spam.

Honestly, the guy must be dedicating hours to this. Hilarious to think that they're raging this hard over a little crown next to someone's name.

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Originally Posted by Mhatti

We were just hit three times in the past hour with this guy's hateful garbage over on Gilgamesh, and as of his last one it seems that he's started linking to this thread in his spam.

Honestly, the guy must be dedicating hours to this. Hilarious to think that they're raging this hard over a little crown next to someone's name.

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About the only thing that you can do is keep reporting them and kicking them from the NN. It's tedious, but it's better than nothing.

This person has to have a screw loose somewhere.. right? Like.. even a troll would surely feel like they have better things to do than spam vitriol in an MMO all day for months on end.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

About the only thing that you can do is keep reporting them and kicking them from the NN. It's tedious, but it's better than nothing.

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This is literally next to impossible. At the end of his macro spam, he has /novicenetworkleave. If you're quick enough, you can do it when he starts spamming the macro, but 9.9/10, he's already left NN because of how he has his macro set up.

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Originally Posted by Lanadra

This person has to have a screw loose somewhere.. right? Like.. even a troll would surely feel like they have better things to do than spam vitriol in an MMO all day for months on end.

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Some people live for the reaction and will do things over and over and over until they're silenced - which often is difficult online due to all the workarounds that exist for determined players.

I'll say one thing, though - FFXIV does seem to have a high number of players with petty grudges who take things too far.

In the 'good old days', players themselves had the power to police their own communities online. Yet in the present day, naming and shaming rules are exploited to prevent problematic players from being held accountable. I'm well aware that fake gossip/slander happens and thus makes the naming and shaming rules necessary to a degree, though.

This is precisely why Novice Network needs sharper moderating, be it from GMs lurking and reading, or be it through a genuine report system. Though I feel that appropriate use of Novice Network should be encompassed in the terms of service, especially as it pertains to spoilers. Just a nice little snag to make these people more accountable for their actions. I'm also a strong advocate that if you post spoiler content related to the story in a novice network then it should warrant an immediate temporary ban.

Sounds like a self loathing person who doesn't have anything else going on so he makes it his business to be a pain in the ass to other people. SE should start with hardware bans for people like these and the RMT sellers etc. Honestly think south korea having people's ID's linked to their games is not such a bad idea.. Korean MMO's really don't have these issues with hackers, rmt etc
Harder to get a new SS than ip address..

Once again they're at it again Green is censored name, and red are homophobic, transphobic, and racist slurs. Censored so I don't get forum banned this time

https://imgur.com/a/AxAEnno

Six. Months. This is beyond inexcusable.

not even 20 minutes after

https://imgur.com/a/xyi8MGS

cant you just block the person? or report it? or disable the network chat?

this is the first time i se something like this, i never encounter something like this on my server, not just because its stupid, like..... whats the point?

if all else fails..... you could always move/transfer to different server i guess

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Originally Posted by gumas

cant you just block the person? or report it? or disable the network chat?

this is the first time i se something like this, i never encounter something like this on my server, not just because its stupid, like..... whats the point?

if all else fails..... you could always move/transfer to different server i guess

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This has been explained already. Also, he's doing it on all of the Worlds on Aether. Not sure if he is on the other Data Centers doing this. However, we should not have to transfer off of our Worlds just to try and get away from some extreme person like this.

I get not reading all 23 pages, but imagine not reading even the first page before replying with some inane non-solution.

Just report him thats the best you can do. If his account has not been banned already it will get banned eventually. Does anyone know if he is using a trial account or not?

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

Just report him thats the best you can do. If his account has not been banned already it will get banned eventually. Does anyone know if he is using a trial account or not?

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He's using free trials which is precisely why they can't get rid of him.

He also makes several accounts to spam with on rotation to ensure people can't just BL him once and let that be that.

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Originally Posted by gumas

cant you just block the person? or report it? or disable the network chat?

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The first point is the player is making free trial accounts, meaning it's impossible to ban them without IP banning (which a vpn would just bypass anyways) or blacklisting as they can just make more accounts with more alts.

The second point is saying an entire server should just not use the novice chat because of one guy is insane. That's not even considering the fact it's a NOVICE NETWORK, where new players are, and if new players are seeing that behavior repeatedly without anything being done to properly stop it by Square, chances are they're going to go somewhere else, because they've gotten their first impression.

You know. This is just casual "We don't actually care just don't swear lol" that I always felt was happening in the background.

Then I think the only solution is to shut down NN! :)

That just punishes new players.

Better that the people we pay a monthly subscription work out a way to clean up their product. Hire a few more staff members maybe.

A closure of NN would be a benefit for new players and the game as a whole. The players it punishes are mentors themselves. The ones who won't have a personal chat channel, nor one they can police.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

A closure of NN would be a benefit for new players and the game as a whole. The players it punishes are mentors themselves. The ones who won't have a personal chat channel, nor one they can police.

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I am inclined to agree that the NN is probably more of a detriment to new players rather than a benefit.

How I've seen Novice Network and Mentor status used, I don't think they're fit for purpose. I think they need to be reworked. The mentor crown is more like an achievement reward and my experience of novice network was a load of mentors with bad unhelpful attitudes who weren't exactly novice friendly.

I think it's a good idea to have, but probably needs a different implementation if a better one is possible or better moderation. I worry what kind of impression of the wider community gets from the novice network, at least from the kind of experiences I've seen and what this guy is doing here.

Heck, I stopped bothering with the mentor crown because I don't need one to be helpful to new players.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

A closure of NN would be a benefit for new players and the game as a whole. The players it punishes are mentors themselves. The ones who won't have a personal chat channel, nor one they can police.

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That ignores all the people it helps on a daily basis. You only have to visit around the worlds and watch each novice network for several hours to see how much help gets provided.

In a video I watched recently from a new player, it was noted as a highlight of why the game is good. One person I spoke to in a novice network recently said they wouldn't have continued playing if we hadn't brought them into there and answered all their questions and that it changed everything for them. I have plenty more of these sort of stories. You don't fix a small problem like spam by entirely removing the thing that is getting spammed.

Disabling NN will not solve anything, because I can pretty much guarantee that he will spam the same nonsense in the starting city states. So disabling NN really wouldn't fix anything.

NN just needs a dedicated GM monitoring it at all times really. As we've seen across threads and posts here and around the internet Mentors are not good moderators for the NN. X mentor kicks Y player for something then Z mentor kicks X mentor for kicking Y player and it all turns into "he said, she said" nonsense.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

A closure of NN would be a benefit for new players and the game as a whole. The players it punishes are mentors themselves. The ones who won't have a personal chat channel, nor one they can police.

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Largely depends on the server. On mine the NN is very helpful, all while having random conversations. It is policed pretty well, in my opinion. It's not immune to drama, but overall it isn't a bad experience. There are a few fellow mentors that I don't always get along with, but I've learned to just tolerate them. Or blacklist them. lol

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Originally Posted by SomeRandomHuman

NN just needs a dedicated GM monitoring it at all times really. As we've seen across threads and posts here and around the internet Mentors are not good moderators for the NN. X mentor kicks Y player for something then Z mentor kicks X mentor for kicking Y player and it all turns into "he said, she said" nonsense.

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I'm amazed they don't have GMs monitoring the NN.
Especially since GMs seem to mainly be able to look at chat logs.
And especially since anyone can be a mentor so long as they've done the requisite content.