No more QTE please.

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Originally Posted by RajNish

It looks like you didn't read this thread well. As Lhunuial and others have said, they have tried to do this many times in different ways. Several people here have tried to solve the problem using different methods, with controller or keyboard. You just say "get good", instead of offering a solution for people who really need help. But it’s impossible to get better if you have spinal disorders, cerebral palsy, contractures, arthritis, lack of coordination after trauma or due cerebral problem, etc. If the "It's not interesting" argument takes precedence over the "I'm in pain" argument for you, I'm sorry about you. And please don't be illiterate, even children may have arthritis.

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And you didnt read my message well. Where i say about get good? What solution i need give you, if people already had even with video? I read Lhunuial posts, i read your posts. And my main point exactly about messages like yours. Not others.

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Originally Posted by Canada_bangs

That makes things difficult. I'd say buy a PS4 controller and see how it feels. You live in a different world man. I've been on consoles since Nintendo, so .... I don't even know. I tried playing Devil may cry 3 on KB and HOW? Like I finished it but THAT hurts my hands. Using a KB for gaming. I dunno how people do it. Controllers are so much more comfy imo.

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You get used to it, hahaha. Controllers feel really awkward to me. I played FFXV on my laptop too. I've only ever played Nintendo's Wii for a short while, oh and GameCube. Controllers just feel weird to me. I always press the wrong buttons. Although I was decent at MarioKart. Smash Brothers was fun too, but not too long.

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Originally Posted by Ashpd

And you didnt read my message well. Where i say about get good? What solution i need give you, if people already had even with video? I read Lhunuial posts, i read your posts. And my main point exactly about messages like yours. Not others.

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Nope, you didn't read my message. You really didn’t read it, look back a few pages where I said that I informed the SE about the problem. Where is the pity card? We are discussing a problem that is important to us and trying to do something sharing our experience and opinion. In addition, I did not answer you, but Aurelius2625 to this:

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Originally Posted by Aurelius2625

See, these are the same people that wanted the FFXV event to be nerfed because they sucked so bad at it, instead of you know... getting good? Like, you're supposed to fail a few times at something before you get it eventually. Expecting to pass everything in one go is literally a child's way of looking at the world. Perhaps some of you are Elidibus in disguise.

Like...just pick two buttons on your controller to mash alternating between them, or two keys with two different fingers.

Legit how are you failing this?

but no, just nerf everything because you failed and you don't like that you didn't win right away and it wasn't easy as pie.

The argument of "It's not interesting" is more compelling, I can reason with that. But anyone who can't do this must be like 60 years old with arthritis or something.

How did y'all play games before that had this kind of thing? Did you just give up and not do it? lol.

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Or was it you?

Btw, about methods for that QTE. You can little mash Q and E on keyboard + use your mouse on that button on screen. Gonna help a little + put away stress from 1 hand

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Originally Posted by Ashpd

Btw, about methods for that QTE. You can little mash Q and E on keyboard + use your mouse on that button on screen. Gonna help a little + put away stress from 1 hand

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I'll give it a try, see if it helps. Once my anxiety to try again is gone.

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Originally Posted by Canada_bangs

That makes things difficult. I'd say buy a PS4 controller and see how it feels. You live in a different world man. I've been on consoles since Nintendo, so .... I don't even know. I tried playing Devil may cry 3 on KB and HOW? Like I finished it but THAT hurts my hands. Using a KB for gaming. I dunno how people do it. Controllers are so much more comfy imo.

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It depends on the prefference and experience, really. Or on a game.
Before FFXV came out I never really played with a controller, and when I got my hands on PS4, oof, that was.. an adaptive expirience for sure. When game was ported to PC, tho there was some questionable button binds, I never had any problems. ...was even able to land flying Regalia safely with no issues, when on PS4 that was a disaster everytime. x)

Honestly, in my opinion, it’s some kind of absurdity when someone, with all the severity of judges, asking a person with a disability, how much she/he tryharding, still talking about her/his lack of effort and laziness. And for what? Just to finish story quest. Not hard content, not savage. Not to find food or money, not to save people or yourself. Just finish the MSQ, in MMO's pixel world. Really? People, what’s wrong with you?

wow. 21 pages.

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Originally Posted by yotsuffy

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Hitting any and many buttons for a QTE has never been obvious.
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But, heh, let's try things on a one-fails-all-fail QTE. It's fun to try things when it only implies everyone else to hate you because instead of you trying things lol, they smashed one button as hard as they could to pass some senseless crazy stupidly-hurting time-troller QTE.

Yeah, they're stupid. And now they hurt. On a game. For an accessible mission that has a challenging version. Damn are they stupid. Why don't they all play with mouse+keyboard and faceroll? Their hands wouldn't hurt.

Those people who hurt from some senseless crazy stupidly-hurting time-troller QTE, damn are they stupid.

Why don't they try things and find a way? They would feel rewarded, damn!

Did I summerize right?

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Originally Posted by yotsuffy

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I'm glad I can chose to never do this trial again.
I'm disappointed I was forced to do it to follow the MSQ.

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The Active Time Maneuvers have been in game since E11 in patch 3.4. They have not stirred up nearly as many complaints as the most recently released version. What changed with the most recent one?

• E11: Cruise Chaser (3.4) - Full Party. Once a player has gotten on CC, they must press a single button before time runs out to jump off boss. Failure kills self.
• E11S: Cruise Chaser (3.4) - Full Party. Once a player has gotten on CC, they must press a single button before time runs out to jump off boss. Failure kills self. Shorter time limit than normal version.
• Susanoo (4.0) - "Tank" only. Tank must mash buttons to prevent bar from emptying to hold up giant sword while rest of party kills it. Failure wipes party. Bar drains at a constant rate.
• Shinryu (4.0) - Full Party. Players must button mash to fill bar and break free to grab onto Shinryu. Failure kills self.
• Susanoo EX (4.0) - "Tank" only. Tank must mash buttons to prevent bar from emptying to hold up giant sword while rest of party kills it. Failure wipes party. Bar drains faster than normal mode.
• Shinryu EX (4.1) - Full Party. Players must button mash to fill bar and break free to grab onto Shinryu. Failure kills self. Bar requires more button presses to fill than normal mode.
• 4.4 MSQ Solo Instance - Press buttons to fill bar to break out of chains. Failure restarts instance.
• Hades (5.0) - Full Party. Players must button mash to fill bar and break free of chains. Failure kills self.
• Resistance Weapon Solo Instance (5.2) - Tank only. Tank must button mash to prevent bar from emptying until attack destroyed by npc dps. Failure restarts fight.
• Memoria Misera (5.2) - Tanks Only. Tanks must button mash to prevent bar from emptying until attack destroyed by dps. Failure increases difficulty for other Tank and if both Tanks fail wipes party. Harder than Solo Instance version.
• ??? (5.3) - Full Party. Players must button mash to prevent bar from emptying. Any player failing wipes party. Bar is deceptive as amount filled by each button press is inverse to how filled the bar is while draining at a very fast and constant rate.

From what I see the complaints stem from them using a modified version of what was previously a tank only version of the ATM for the entire party. The ATM last longer than what most non-tanks are used to while also being more difficult than what tanks are used to.

Exactly. Because it is more difficult, because of the deceptive bar and because it lasts longer people are having trouble with it, because it hurts their hands, for example.

I just need QTE to have more variety than just spam one button over and over.

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Originally Posted by Aurelius2625

See, these are the same people that wanted the FFXV event to be nerfed because they sucked so bad at it, instead of you know... getting good? Like, you're supposed to fail a few times at something before you get it eventually. Expecting to pass everything in one go is literally a child's way of looking at the world. Perhaps some of you are Elidibus in disguise.

Like...just pick two buttons on your controller to mash alternating between them, or two keys with two different fingers.

Legit how are you failing this?

but no, just nerf everything because you failed and you don't like that you didn't win right away and it wasn't easy as pie.

The argument of "It's not interesting" is more compelling, I can reason with that. But anyone who can't do this must be like 60 years old with arthritis or something.

How did y'all play games before that had this kind of thing? Did you just give up and not do it? lol.

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You enter into a conversation without even knowing the situation, read the first pages and do not say such nonsense

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Originally Posted by YatoShishi

you all are so spoiled, so dont worry, sooner or later they will nerf it for you, cause pushing one button over and over is hard.

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Another person who lives wonderfully with a healthy body. You enter into a conversation without even knowing the situation, read the first pages and do not say such nonsense

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Originally Posted by Ashpd

Stop playing the card - we're so poor, don't treat us like that.
Most posts on this thread cause negative emotions for this reason. Because they're playing this card.
Do people have problems with this QTE because of their physical problem? You wrote it, we get it. I agree with you completely on the subject that or there should be a button to help you. Or the game shouldn't kill the band because of your failure. We need to told SE about that problem.
However, I will say for my part that this QTE is simple, and there was proof in thread that you don't have to press the button too fast. It's more about "aah, I can't do it and I don't want to listen to anybody" card.
P.S. No, i'm not threating people with healthy problem. Moreover, i have friends with that thing, and I proud for them, because they complete that challenge, or found a way how to make that easy. Problem in that thread, how people complaining about that in 70% messages.

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Stop playing cards - we are so poor, don't treat us like that.
Come on ..
Another misunderstanding of this situation. It's kind of discussing the fact that humans can't physically go through such quick button presses, in a game that SE simplifies year after year, don't you like that the plot point will be with different or simplified mechanics? There is extreme for you, go there.

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Originally Posted by Canada_bangs

I'll be honest.. my biggest push back is because I love the wipe mech. It's nice to have a bit of normal content that has a bite to it. Yes even if that bite is still weak. But it's better then nothing. And with this thread being here I'm getting Steps of faith flash backs and I just hate nerfing content. It's why people complain about dungeons being stupid easy mode as it is. It's why we have hallway dungeons, dumb down classes, and everything else that was nerfed. I don't want the wipe mech to go away, I also don't want the QTE to completely go away with no replacement. It sucks people aren't finishing the trial due to whatever is going on with them. But knowing SE they won't meet in the middle.. they'll just kill everything and make something that's got a tiny bit of bite until a meow and a purr. :c So that's why alot of people are pushing back, it has nothing to do with you but everything to do with how SE handles nerfs.

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In this case, you have come to the wrong address. You need to contact the SE. (And again, you have Extremes, savages, Ultimate and now Unreal, go there)

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Originally Posted by Canada_bangs

No you misunderstand or maybe I didn't word it better. But the bite I'm talking about is the wipe mech where we all have to pass the QTE. If one of us fails it's a wipe. That's the bite I'm talking about. I don't want that to go away, I like that this was different then the other QTEs. I say SE should change the QTE to a QCF motion or a DDR thing or something. No other changes needed cause if you take the wipe mech away then it's just a normal easy trial with no bite. And It's just nice to see something that's a bit more punishing then the normal tank and sleep.

And I've already been in parties where it took longer then 40 mins to clear because someone couldn't pass it. It doesn't make me mad honestly. I have ALOT of time on my hands. Plus have you heard the music? I could stay in there all day. For context... I can listen to one song for a year striaght nonstop. I've done this before. Repeats have NEVER got on my nerves.

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And what, you love music and can listen to it, for example, endlessly. And let's replace pleasure with a terrible pain in the ears, like this? People are asking for change for a reason, it hurts them to try! I am a healthy person, and the speed there is really too high, I tried slowly, but at a different pace I tried 5 times, the result is 5 wipes, ppl just abbadon, nice

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

The Active Time Maneuvers have been in game since E11 in patch 3.4. They have not stirred up nearly as many complaints as the most recently released version. What changed with the most recent one?

• E11: Cruise Chaser (3.4) - Full Party. Once a player has gotten on CC, they must press a single button before time runs out to jump off boss. Failure kills self.
• E11S: Cruise Chaser (3.4) - Full Party. Once a player has gotten on CC, they must press a single button before time runs out to jump off boss. Failure kills self. Shorter time limit than normal version.
• Susanoo (4.0) - "Tank" only. Tank must mash buttons to prevent bar from emptying to hold up giant sword while rest of party kills it. Failure wipes party. Bar drains at a constant rate.
• Shinryu (4.0) - Full Party. Players must button mash to fill bar and break free to grab onto Shinryu. Failure kills self.
• Susanoo EX (4.0) - "Tank" only. Tank must mash buttons to prevent bar from emptying to hold up giant sword while rest of party kills it. Failure wipes party. Bar drains faster than normal mode.
• Shinryu EX (4.1) - Full Party. Players must button mash to fill bar and break free to grab onto Shinryu. Failure kills self. Bar requires more button presses to fill than normal mode.
• 4.4 MSQ Solo Instance - Press buttons to fill bar to break out of chains. Failure restarts instance.
• Hades (5.0) - Full Party. Players must button mash to fill bar and break free of chains. Failure kills self.
• Resistance Weapon Solo Instance (5.2) - Tank only. Tank must button mash to prevent bar from emptying until attack destroyed by npc dps. Failure restarts fight.
• Memoria Misera (5.2) - Tanks Only. Tanks must button mash to prevent bar from emptying until attack destroyed by dps. Failure increases difficulty for other Tank and if both Tanks fail wipes party. Harder than Solo Instance version.
• ??? (5.3) - Full Party. Players must button mash to prevent bar from emptying. Any player failing wipes party. Bar is deceptive as amount filled by each button press is inverse to how filled the bar is while draining at a very fast and constant rate.

From what I see the complaints stem from them using a modified version of what was previously a tank only version of the ATM for the entire party. The ATM last longer than what most non-tanks are used to while also being more difficult than what tanks are used to.

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Good point and excellent analytics, but. Firstly - a person may not go as a tank, secondly - even on Aida, the speed of pressing the buttons is acceptable. Thank you, for your cause

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Originally Posted by Derio

I just need QTE to have more variety than just spam one button over and over.

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The only problem is speed, people with chronic injuries cannot press that fast. But your remark is just as great as the alternative

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Originally Posted by Ashpd

Btw, about methods for that QTE. You can little mash Q and E on keyboard + use your mouse on that button on screen. Gonna help a little + put away stress from 1 hand

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I did both times I've done the Trial. All it did was make /both/ hands hurt.

You don't have to press very fast at all. The time you get for each press increases the lower it gets. You can easily pass the mechanic with a very relaxed pace.

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Originally Posted by Ogmion

You don't have to press very fast at all. The time you get for each press increases the lower it gets. You can easily pass the mechanic with a very relaxed pace.

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I did that the first time I tried it, and failed. The only thing that worked was consistently mashing several keys and left mouse click. Maybe it’s a latency thing, I have no idea.

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Originally Posted by Conando

I did that the first time I tried it, and failed. The only thing that worked was consistently mashing several keys and left mouse click. Maybe it’s a latency thing, I have no idea.

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Input lag also doesn't help with this QTE. That also bothered me on a few attempts. I tried again last night because I was feeling pretty good, I thought I might be able to pass that QTE, but no. With a relaxed pace, even when I pressed several buttons I failed and my hands still hurt because I had still had to keep it up for so long. At the end I still had to speed up my pace and I still failed. It's pretty frustrating.

But I don't know what else can be said about this issue. As this thread shows, people are having all kinds of issues with it. Not even only disabled people. So I just hope SE and the developers look at this and adjust it a little, if that's possible.

I understand that people have dissabilities, and it sadden me that things like this exist.
But cmon, there is a guys that plays FF14 with his foot, because of his arm deformation. And i'm pretty sure he would be able to find his way around it. Ask friend, familly or someone to help you. I even did it with my nose just to test this.I know its not how it should be played, and what im saying may sound harsh but the world wont always adjust to us. There are people that acomplished great things while having some of the worst disabilities ever seen. That's why i wont accept fact that people want this to be adjusted to them, instead of overcoming this problem alone. If they cant find solution to complete 15 sec of game, then i dont want to even image how they will face problems irl. And no, im not against people with disabilities, i support them whenever i can. (im doing shopping for my neighbour that cant walk)

That is really cruel to say that, you know. My job made adjustments for me so I would be able to work, because they appreciate me as an employee and I'm doing my job well. They also have no problems when I need to work different hours because of chronic fatigue. This is expected by law where I live.

Your neighbour is not overcoming their problem. They need your help to shop. So why do you expect us to overcome this problem alone? We all live in this world together, we play in this world together. And everything would go a lot better if we helped each other from time to time. Your attitude and stance are not helping.

You think my family should be able to be at my beck and call whenever I play FFXIV? Sorry, but they also live their own lives with their own schedules and I live by myself. I have no problems living by myself, I am mostly able to do everything I need to do, be it at a slower pace and with more breaks.

It is a small thing to ask to have this one minor thing adjusted, in a story mode trial.

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I understand that people have dissabilities, and it sadden me that things like this exist.
But cmon, there is a guys that plays FF14 with his foot, because of his arm deformation. And i'm pretty sure he would be able to find his way around it. Ask friend, familly or someone to help you. I even did it with my nose just to test this.I know its not how it should be played, and what im saying may sound harsh but the world wont always adjust to us. There are people that acomplished great things while having some of the worst disabilities ever seen. That's why i wont accept fact that people want this to be adjusted to them, instead of overcoming this problem alone. If they cant find solution to complete 15 sec of game, then i dont want to even image how they will face problems irl. And no, im not against people with disabilities, i support them whenever i can. (im doing shopping for my neighbour that cant walk)

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"I'm not against people with disabilities, but you guys just aren't trying hard enough" are two statements that cannot exist in the same space as one another. As someone with severe disabilities who can overcome the mechanics and be in severe pain because of it I don't feel very respected or supported by you or people like you who pull that condescending rhetoric while pretending to be an ally. Particularly when there are other people in this thread who do not understand what it's like to be disabled but were willing to sit down and workshop alternative mechanics that can make more people than not happy with the outcome.

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I understand that people have dissabilities, and it sadden me that things like this exist.
But cmon, there is a guys that plays FF14 with his foot, because of his arm deformation. And i'm pretty sure he would be able to find his way around it. Ask friend, familly or someone to help you. I even did it with my nose just to test this.I know its not how it should be played, and what im saying may sound harsh but the world wont always adjust to us. There are people that acomplished great things while having some of the worst disabilities ever seen. That's why i wont accept fact that people want this to be adjusted to them, instead of overcoming this problem alone. If they cant find solution to complete 15 sec of game, then i dont want to even image how they will face problems irl. And no, im not against people with disabilities, i support them whenever i can. (im doing shopping for my neighbour that cant walk)

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Here's a thought: why people should go over their heads to finish a story trial in a videogame? They probably have enough "problems irl" as is, why the heck they must "overcome" something so they can just see the rest of the story?
Here's another thought: world should adjust to make people's lifes easier. There's always someone doing something to make lifes of others easier. Be it food delivery, cleaning, all kind of servises. How many workers had to adjust their work so you could still get your way in the time of the pandemic?
And not like people with disabilities ask for some special treatment, they ask for help. Which is perfectly normal thing to do. And the initial reaction to it is somehow "go bother someone else, we don't care". Really?

RajNish already summarized all this nonsence it the thread perfectly:

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Honestly, in my opinion, it’s some kind of absurdity when someone, with all the severity of judges, asking a person with a disability, how much she/he tryharding, still talking about her/his lack of effort and laziness. And for what? Just to finish story quest. Not hard content, not savage. Not to find food or money, not to save people or yourself. Just finish the MSQ, in MMO's pixel world. Really? People, what’s wrong with you?

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Its exacerbated the damage to my wrists to where I can no longer comfortably play the game.

It was needless, could have made it something else like a dps check.

I understand it might seriously suck if you've been unable to pass this mechanic and can't continue the story until Square Enix fixes this but the matter can be solved by having someone else help you with it if it's a huge problem. Perhaps I was a little too harsh with my previous comments but I really hope the people having issues can get someone to help them. That being said I do love the mechanic and fight but if it's seriously a very bad issue and people can't progress then Square Enix should probably change it so that players die individually if one person fails even though it doesn't feel canon with the story. I liked the idea if one person fails then the warrior of light dies because we are all him/her but that's just me.

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I understand it might seriously suck if you've been unable to pass this mechanic and can't continue the story until Square Enix fixes this but the matter can be solved by having someone else help you with it if it's a huge problem. Perhaps I was a little too harsh with my previous comments but I really hope the people having issues can get someone to help them. That being said I do love the mechanic and fight but if it's seriously a very bad issue and people can't progress then Square Enix should probably change it so that players die individually if one person fails even though it doesn't feel canon with the story. I liked the idea if one person fails then the warrior of light dies because we are all him/her but that's just me.

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Most of us aren't in hospice or living in a situation where we /can/ get someone to help us. Nor in this COVID-19 world does it make any sense to pull in a friend and go 'hey come over and press these buttons for me!' or to give out access to our accounts to get through a /story required trial/. There are other ways they can lend that feeling of hopelessness to the fight without hurting people. A few pages of this thread have been dedicated to brainstorming solutions for just that purpose.

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I liked the idea if one person fails then the warrior of light dies because we are all him/her but that's just me.

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I mean, if that's what we're going for, why not just make it so that if anyone gets KO'd at any point in the fight, it's also an instant wipe? Or maybe instead of eight separate HP pools, they all get combined into a single pool. Pain Split, hell yeah!

If immersion is what we're going for, I don't get why it's okay to do something like this just for the QTE but not for the entire encounter. If anything, singling out the QTE is an immersion break.

Honestly that single QTE event is a real PITA. I get why its there since you dying in that signals your demise, game over so to speak. Someone in game suggest using the mouse with k/b easier. I used the alt + spacebar, with the mouse during the 15 seconds that made it way way easier to keep the bar from depleting. But honestly this was not a very well thought QTE event to say the least.

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Originally Posted by Arbales

I understand that people have dissabilities, and it sadden me that things like this exist.
But cmon, there is a guys that plays FF14 with his foot, because of his arm deformation. And i'm pretty sure he would be able to find his way around it. Ask friend, familly or someone to help you. I even did it with my nose just to test this.I know its not how it should be played, and what im saying may sound harsh but the world wont always adjust to us. There are people that acomplished great things while having some of the worst disabilities ever seen. That's why i wont accept fact that people want this to be adjusted to them, instead of overcoming this problem alone. If they cant find solution to complete 15 sec of game, then i dont want to even image how they will face problems irl. And no, im not against people with disabilities, i support them whenever i can. (im doing shopping for my neighbour that cant walk)

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Your position has double standards, you can't please everyone. And when people keep writing with numbers like that, get over it somehow. You either do not read the forum itself, or you are frankly mocking

Disabilities aside this last QTE definitely has something weird going on that I could do without. Sometimes I can keep it near 100% without much effort, other times I struggle to keep it barely hanging on its last 20% in full button mash mode.

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Disabilities aside this last QTE definitely has something weird going on that I could do without. Sometimes I can keep it near 100% without much effort, other times I struggle to keep it barely hanging on its last 20% in full button mash mode.

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Rubberbanding. The harder you mash, the harder it gets. Pseudo suspense to make you scared because "oh no its so low".
I let it chill very low since i don't actually mash. I have 4 fingers on the keyboard and hit buttons in quick-ish succsession like typing. Or 2 and just alternate the keys.

I honestly have to mash more for "Escape" mechanics than on this one.

There's an incredibly good Street Fighter V player named Brolylegs. The guy literally plays with his face, way better at the game than I'll ever be.

This is an unkind thing to say, I realize this, but if you are physically incapable of mashing two or three buttons for twenty seconds or whatever it is, you aren't capable of participating in combat at an acceptable level in FFXIV, and have been carried through every duty you have ever joined.

It sucks, but it's the nature of the game. You press a lot of buttons for your general rotation to just play your class.

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Originally Posted by Xaphire

There's an incredibly good Street Fighter V player named Brolylegs. The guy literally plays with his face, way better at the game than I'll ever be.

This is an unkind thing to say, I realize this, but if you are physically incapable of mashing two or three buttons for twenty seconds or whatever it is, you aren't capable of participating in combat at an acceptable level in FFXIV, and have been carried through every duty you have ever joined.

It sucks, but it's the nature of the game. You press a lot of buttons for your general rotation to just play your class.

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Except no? At least in my case I've done Savage, I've done almost all the Extremes (haven't done the current one as I'm waiting for my static to get the urge to do it), I almost never have an issue playing this game in any capacity because of the way this game has it's GCD timings set up. I can rest my hand between each button press and so long as I'm not whacking the keys like an idiot, I almost never have an issue. Hell while there are classes in this game that are hard on the hands like MCH, the vast majority of them do not cause repetitive stress build up on the joints because most of this game isn't set up in such a way that button mashing is necessary. Barring of course a few unskilled QTE sections that are the outliers and not the rules in content. That's like saying that because you can't do a 100 yard sprint that you aren't capable of walking every once in awhile and is so laughably absurd it's comical.

Quick, repetitive stress motions are different from clicking a button every two seconds, with the occasional weave. The latter I can do with some athletics tape to stabilize my wrists and the occasional pain pill. The former I'm in tears over because it's actually causing a stress injury.

Though not going to look into it, but if you play the way you do with pauses between GCDs even with a static I am willing to bet you the deficit is being picked up elsewhere. Not saying I agree with them, but I see where they are coming from.

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Rubberbanding. The harder you mash, the harder it gets. Pseudo suspense to make you scared because "oh no its so low".
I let it chill very low since i don't actually mash. I have 4 fingers on the keyboard and hit buttons in quick-ish succsession like typing. Or 2 and just alternate the keys.

I honestly have to mash more for "Escape" mechanics than on this one.

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I don't think thats the (only) reason? Sure the bar is probably weighed on the fail end, but as I said: sometimes I can keep it almost topped with minimal effort, while other times it drops near 0 like a rock and I have to pull an MLG level 4 button mash or fail miserably.

Personally I was thinking lag spikes. I do get 0.5-1 second ones in instances fairly regularly in EU, even with a well above average internet connection.

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Originally Posted by Xaphire

There's an incredibly good Street Fighter V player named Brolylegs. The guy literally plays with his face, way better at the game than I'll ever be.

This is an unkind thing to say, I realize this, but if you are physically incapable of mashing two or three buttons for twenty seconds or whatever it is, you aren't capable of participating in combat at an acceptable level in FFXIV, and have been carried through every duty you have ever joined.

It sucks, but it's the nature of the game. You press a lot of buttons for your general rotation to just play your class.

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Exept, no it isn't? This lot of buttons usually doesn't requare us to press them all at once. Or even 5 of them at once. 2.5 sec of GCD is there for a reason, and cuz of this very GCD a lot of people actually can play this game. Cuz rotations here is slower than, say, swtor rotations. Not all of them, but still. For example, playing tank in ffxiv and in swtor is 2 different expirienses, even in dungeons. This game is much less punishing in this regard, no matter the role you're playing. Most of the fights is "remember the pattern, move accordingly, you're fine, good job." That's it. And the pattern doesn't change from boss to boss. TB, raid damage, aoe, move, repeat. Sometimes in different order. I honestly can't remember many exeptions. Even if you mess up your rotation on dps check you can make up for it in most cases. This game really isn't that hard how many people want to pretend it is.

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Originally Posted by Lersayil

I don't think thats the (only) reason? Sure the bar is probably weighed on the fail end, but as I said: sometimes I can keep it almost topped with minimal effort, while other times it drops near 0 like a rock and I have to pull an MLG level 4 button mash or fail miserably.

Personally I was thinking lag spikes. I do get 0.5-1 second ones in instances fairly regularly in EU, even with a well above average internet connection.

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Oh that might be lagspikes then maybe! I play from EU to NA and rarely have any but can happen.

That+the rubberbanding might be the thing that screws you over that maybe your lag doesn't align well with the serverticks then? Who knows, my bar looks pretty much the same

I just know that this bar has some sort of rubberbanding to where you get less the fuller the bar is and more the more empty it is. Probably doesn't go well with a little lagspike.