If you want FF XI , then PLAY FF XI!

THose other races would be nice. Just not to soon. perhaps in a major expansion to add a replay value of earlier content.

It's going to take time, and I hope the SE style of story and visuals holds true. Where story interweaves in earlier content and continues to come together.

That's what made XI so potent and fun.

Oh and the AI. It jsut seems weak but most probably they have it toned down while they work on things. THe new engien may change it all. XI's AI set it apart and it was an older game then WOW. AI that tracked you based on sight, scent, sound, or true site. AI that would hunt you down across a zone as you franticly tried to make it to a load zone for saftey, cussing at your screen. OR you run around a hillside and run smack dab into the enemy who went the other side. Oh the memories, no wonder I have sleep apnea now, that damn game stressed the frick out of me.

This game has sight, sound and true sound monsters, those big tress by Turning leaf are one example of sound based monsters.

Boars are Area based sound, meaning if you walk past them at safe distance they won't aggro you.

I don't think anybody wants to be chased across the whole of Thanalan by a rabid marmot. (maybe I'm wrong though)

THe UI is sorta complex for some. Now yeah we can navigate it fast becuase we are used to it. New gamers however are not going to settle in fast with it.

They are revamping it for controller use further, and more tuning for mouse keyboard, as well as combo.

The main menu structure, it just needs to go. Needs to be divided up where you can eitehr tab over rows or use a controller to arrow key over into sub groups.

Doesn't matter, ther will be changes based on feedback as it grows. Hopefully they will be as fast in new stuff and changes as Trion is with Rift. I have faith in SE. The team, and Having XI dev vets on the team to merge old and new and come up with newer ideas. The new engine may make it all happen faster, since it's made for MMO play in mind. Once 2.0 is out, the new engine, new servers, we will probably see what we want and desire happen.

The Ai is still not full fledged Jinko. Not realiable. Soem enemies that normally attack based on sight sound don't, and right now it is actually been coned down to range to enemy. I even noticed it happen through walls or arounf corners. PRobably more of a Chrystal Tool limitation.

Be hunted and chased is half the fun and thrill. Some enemies are range return based like other mmo's and Wow, which is just no fun and no challenge. Especially early on in the game. Attack, run to road, let them return, finish them off before they regen.

Becuase of the PS3's limitations, and even with the new engine, load zones will probably return so enviroments can be more detailed. THose laod zones will come in handy for the hunt/be hunted moments.

im in your posting clicking the "Like" button!

FFXI has been ruined by abyssea, they flipped the god switch. Now they're making it grindy to get length, because xiv is taking longer to be ready than anticipated. The timing of it seemed to be "launch ffxiv, in 3 months get xi's cap to 99 so people can be happy, and they'll migrate to ffxiv once they're done" but xiv's launch was a little rocky, and they had to pull something out of their ass to keep xi going.

XI was great because of all the stuff, big and little, to be done. Fame, city missions, choco quest, kazham airship, regular airship, subjobs. But sadly that mentality has changed. Everyone is all "get to the top, do nothing". People don't enjoy the journey anymore, and that's sad. I'd be seriously sad if i had every job at 50. I'm already sad that I have them all at 20.

the only thing i really want from xi is the same thing i want from wow. i want lots of content, quests, stories, and things to do in general. that's going to be a long time before that happens though.

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The Ai is still not full fledged Jinko. Not realiable. Soem enemies that normally attack based on sight sound don't, and right now it is actually been coned down to range to enemy. I even noticed it happen through walls or arounf corners. PRobably more of a Chrystal Tool limitation.

Be hunted and chased is half the fun and thrill. Some enemies are range return based like other mmo's and Wow, which is just no fun and no challenge. Especially early on in the game. Attack, run to road, let them return, finish them off before they regen.

Becuase of the PS3's limitations, and even with the new engine, load zones will probably return so enviroments can be more detailed. THose laod zones will come in handy for the hunt/be hunted moments.

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im will to bet that dol plays a big part in why mobs deaggro at a fairly short distance.

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But sadly that mentality has changed. Everyone is all "get to the top, do nothing". People don't enjoy the journey anymore, and that's sad. I'd be seriously sad if i had every job at 50. I'm already sad that I have them all at 20.

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Well actually you can blame Yoshi-p for this.

As much as I prefer him to Tanaka, his stance of power levelling and easy leveling in general is not a good one, that being said he doesn't plan to keep the same ease of levelling in 2.0.

What we are playing now is not a good indication to what to expect in 2.0, in any respect really including hard/time sink content.

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Even with zoned area's I don't see monsters chasing you relentlessly, although saying that currently many leve monster will chase you to the ends of a zone. (of course you fail the leve if you leave a zone though lol)

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Well actually you can blame Yoshi-p for this.

As much as I prefer him to Tanaka, his stance of power levelling and easy leveling in general is not a good one, that being said he doesn't plan to keep the same ease of levelling in 2.0.

What we are playing now is not a good indication to what to expect in 2.0, in any respect really including hard/time sink content.

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This

Yoshi has said this many, many times now. The game in it's entirety before 2.0, will be nothing like that of what it should be when 2.0 hits. Think of this ease as a temporary reward for sticking it out, or something of that sort...

Although I can't say with certainty, but I would be willing to bet that leveling up, or any progression in 2.0 will take much more work. Again, my opinion.

Some systems in FFXI felt really intuitive, and I would happily welcome them in FFXIV. Of course, everyone is open to their own opinion, but here is my list of stuff I do and don't want to translate across from FFXI to FFXIV:

+ Skill Chains (Elemental)
+ Magic Bursting
+ Full Elemental Wheel
+ RDM, SMN, NIN, SAM, THF
+ Auction House
+ Relic Weapons
- Abyssea
- Slow combat
- UI

Also, I really dislike change for the sake of change. There is no point reinventing the wheel if something already works so effectively. e.g. Auction House vs. Market Ward.

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Some systems in FFXI felt really intuitive, and I would happily welcome them in FFXIV. Of course, everyone is open to their own opinion, but here is my list of stuff I do and don't want to translate across from FFXI to FFXIV:

+ Skill Chains (Elemental)
+ Magic Bursting
+ Full Elemental Wheel
+ RDM, SMN, NIN, SAM, THF
+ Auction House
+ Relic Weapons
- Abyssea
- Slow combat
- UI

Also, I really dislike change for the sake of change. There is no point reinventing the wheel if something already works so effectively. e.g. Auction House vs. Market Ward.

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You had me from NIN.

I know it has been said already, but in a non wall-o-text fashion:

This game is named FINAL FANTASY XIV. It is a sequel to the final fantasy serie and was marketed as such. Therefore, it will be compared to its predecessors. People play sequels to enjoy more of the same original content. It is perfectly legitimate for people to wish for and expect the same great concepts that made the previous games fun.

A 100% original game would not wear the name final fantasy. Unless we have been duped ??

While this game isn't exactly a sequel to FFXI it is the successor to it. As I don't exactly want the same world again it would be nice if they carried over the working concepts that people liked.

I would play FFXI still if my friends still played and it didn't get molested by Abyssea.

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Well actually you can blame Yoshi-p for this.

As much as I prefer him to Tanaka, his stance of power levelling and easy leveling in general is not a good one, that being said he doesn't plan to keep the same ease of levelling in 2.0.

What we are playing now is not a good indication to what to expect in 2.0, in any respect really including hard/time sink content.

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I want 2.0 launch to wake up, in an alternate world, with no memories, no skills, a wand at my side, the knowledge that I'm a "white mage", a level 1 cure spell, and nothing more. I want to go out and kill worms and bee's, then wander to town and go to the magic shop, with a person who says they'll sell me a spell that allows me to increase my physical defense. I ask "sell??" and hte lady says yes, you have to read the incantations and memorize the words if you want to be able to cast it, you can't just suddenly "know" something. Then I want to wander through huge areas, get killed by beastmen called quadav's, get to this beachy place with a little port town on it, where I can join up with other people to form a party. Then, when our fighting power is combined, we can take on more difficult monsters!

So, 2.0 I want a whole new game, that is almost a cookie cutter of my previous favorite game, with updated graphics, areas, content, spells, abilities, quests, and so on.

Also I'd like slower combat. Tearing through piles of monsters 3-5 at a time, meh. I like a camp, puller, tank, healer, and dps. 2 tank and 2 healer classes and 14 dps classes makes sense if your party of 6 has 1 healer, 1 tank, and 4 dps.

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Well lets be completely honest here many of the enemies are from other Final Fantasy games also, and then the other half are just regular wildlife.

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FFX raptor
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...asyXraptor.jpg

FFXI raptor
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...ffxiraptor.jpg

FFXIV raptor
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...fxivraptor.jpg

Another example

FF1 gob
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...asy1goblin.jpg

FF2 Gob
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...alfantasy2.jpg

FF11 gob
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...ffxigoblin.jpg

FF14 gob
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m.../xivgoblin.jpg

Just sayin. there are alot of mobs i can continue with from 11 ->14 that have the exact same charector model just a little more detailed. There pretty much the exact same mobs. at least in the other games they changed how they looked. I feel xiv got lazy with alot of mobs :3

Gobs make me bawwwwww

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Also I'd like slower combat. Tearing through piles of monsters 3-5 at a time, meh. I like a camp, puller, tank, healer, and dps. 2 tank and 2 healer classes and 14 dps classes makes sense if your party of 6 has 1 healer, 1 tank, and 4 dps.

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This plus your post before it is where the fun is at.

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FFX raptor
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...asyXraptor.jpg

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I'd love to see FFX's raptor make a comeback, albeit looks more like an Eft than anything.

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I'd love to see FFX's raptor make a comeback, albeit looks more like an Eft than anything.

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that was a cool raptor ^^ again i just wish they were creative on changing how the mobs looked except making carbon copies of 11 models

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that was a cool raptor ^^ again i just wish they were creative on changing how the mobs looked except making carbon copies of 11 models

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Though I think they should strive to do both (by both I mean have previous bestiary enhancements and a new bestiary created), we still need to account for influences and styles. Each franchise will always have a particular influence, and each company will always have a certain style and influence. Like, how many people would expect Atlus to do something completely different with their main SMT franchise or its spin-offs?

@OP:

I did. See this thread from the General Discussion of that other Final Fantasy MMO. Keep your WoW knock-off. I'm going back to real gaming.

There are alot of things they could incorporate from XI - but I'd still like to see them take a more original route with XIV.

I'm not opposed to anything Pre Abyssea content wise appearing in XIV, I kind of agree with the OP though - if you want a straight copy and paste of content from XI then you really should have stuck with it - but it's not gotten any better at 99 and I doubt unless they have a radical overhaul and stop spoon feeding people then it's not goin to get any better, I left XI because it got boring, XIV is actually headed in a nice direction now, it doesn't need to be tarred with some of the same stigma sorrounding XI

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Also, I really dislike change for the sake of change. There is no point reinventing the wheel if something already works so effectively. e.g. Wow Auction House vs. Market Ward.

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I want 2.0 launch to wake up, in an alternate world, with no memories, no skills, a wand at my side, the knowledge that I'm a "white mage", a level 1 cure spell, and nothing more. I want to go out and kill worms and bee's, then wander to town and go to the magic shop, with a person who says they'll sell me a spell that allows me to increase my physical defense. I ask "sell??" and hte lady says yes, you have to read the incantations and memorize the words if you want to be able to cast it, you can't just suddenly "know" something. Then I want to wander through huge areas, get killed by beastmen called quadav's, get to this beachy place with a little port town on it, where I can join up with other people to form a party. Then, when our fighting power is combined, we can take on more difficult monsters!

So, 2.0 I want a whole new game, that is almost a cookie cutter of my previous favorite game, with updated graphics, areas, content, spells, abilities, quests, and so on.

Also I'd like slower combat. Tearing through piles of monsters 3-5 at a time, meh. I like a camp, puller, tank, healer, and dps. 2 tank and 2 healer classes and 14 dps classes makes sense if your party of 6 has 1 healer, 1 tank, and 4 dps.

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I get the feeling you aren't going to get what you want ../sadpandaface

@ Pim-ptarutaruOdin yea I do agree, but FF11 goblins are awesome in all sorts of ways.

FF12 mandragora's were a rip off of 11 mandragora's and they are awesome also, I would very much like to see them added to 14.

I would also like to see Crawlers make a come back, I think enemy design is the one thing I don't mind being brought over from 11.

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What I want to see is a world with as much depth and style as XI's. I want long challenging storylines. I want to be overtaken by the lore and history of the land. I want to meet charismatic and crazy characters with a purpose. I want to travel ancient ruins and uncover lost artifacts. I want to come to a point where taking a visit to Eorzea would have as much draw as a visit to Vana'diel. Sights, sounds, people, culture. Let's make it happen Yoshi.

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Bravo sir... Bravo...(slow clap...)

I am still waiting for my expansion "The Shifting Sands of Altepa: The Tale of the Tailkeeper", which is all about how the Galka lost their empire to Global Warming & Ants... how they eventually lost their ability to Reincarnate along with their tails...and how they came to inhabit Eorzea.

The Tailkeeper was a pirate from Norg, although he was known as the Ale-Keeper back then. He was a Master Brewer of Ales by trade but a fierce Warrior/Samurai when brawn was needed over beer. He was proficient in many Arts of War & Magic and could perform (admirably) many tasks and jobs but what he loved to do the most (after a few tankards of ale) was to perform with his puppet.

The Ale-Keeper and his puppet Quenotte entertained their fellow Pirates and Black Market shopkeepers with dances re-creatng glorious battles and deeds of valor from conquests both recent and legendary. The proud Galka was often teased about his predilections towards dance, puppetry and general buffoonary (like hula-dancing with a diremite for a skirt) but it was all in good fun...until one fateful night... (to be continued?)

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Bravo sir... Bravo...(slow clap...)

I am still waiting for my expansion "The Shifting Sands of Altepa: The Tale of the Tailkeeper", which is all about how the Galka lost their empire to Global Warming & Ants... how they eventually lost their ability to Reincarnate along with their tails...and how they came to inhabit Eorzea.

The Tailkeeper was a pirate from Norg, although he was known as the Ale-Keeper back then. He was a Master Brewer of Ales by trade but a fierce Warrior/Samurai when brawn was needed over beer. He was proficient in many Arts of War & Magic and could perform (admirably) many tasks and jobs but what he loved to do the most (after a few tankards of ale) was to perform with his puppet.

The Ale-Keeper and his puppet Quenotte entertained their fellow Pirates and Black Market shopkeepers with dances re-creatng glorious battles and deeds of valor from conquests both recent and legendary. The proud Galka was often teased about his predilections towards dance, puppetry and general buffoonary (like hula-dancing with a diremite for a skirt) but it was all in good fun...until one fateful night... (to be continued?)

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I would liquidate ALL my mithra salve girls to fund this! You should check out the link below as well. We appear to be like minded.

How much is raw protein go for these days anyways?

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Free ale and whores!

Some of the default jobs of XIV just, well, don't flow. Id rather see THM and CNJ combined into a Scholar type, with full elemental contraol and shift to healing modes. THen keep pure whm Blms. THen possibly brign back Green Mage.

If you get your galka tale then they need to do the Lalafell tale. How Taru Mated with hume's to= WTF!

Now we all know if Taru's mated with Elvens they would be Elru's and a superior race of both magic and strength.

The thing I loved in XI and wished XIV would have is, well a soul. I've thought about this quite a lot being an old long-term XI player and never felt like at home with any other MMORPG. I've come to the conclusion that none of those other games drew me in, they didn't have that special atmosphere, they didn't feel alive or meaningful, they were just games and nothing more, if you know what I mean.

A couple of days ago I decided to watch the XI opening movie again and it still, after all these years, filled me up with feelings and made me want to play that game so badly...too bad it doesn't exist anymore.

Not sure if I had a point, guess I just wanted to share these bittersweet feelings I have about XI.

I'm really looking forward - and at the same time dreading - to see what will come of XIV 2.0. At the moment I enjoy playing the game but I feel it lacks the depth XI had. And that depth is something I wish they would bring from XI to XIV. Those epic storylines (and storyline fights), an interesting world full of life, great challenges, victories and disappointments.

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The thing I loved in XI and wished XIV would have is, well a soul. I've thought about this quite a lot being an old long-term XI player and never felt like at home with any other MMORPG. I've come to the conclusion that none of those other games drew me in, they didn't have that special atmosphere, they didn't feel alive or meaningful, they were just games and nothing more, if you know what I mean.

A couple of days ago I decided to watch the XI opening movie again and it still, after all these years, filled me up with feelings and made me want to play that game so badly...too bad it doesn't exist anymore.

Not sure if I had a point, guess I just wanted to share these bittersweet feelings I have about XI.

I'm really looking forward - and at the same time dreading - to see what will come of XIV 2.0. At the moment I enjoy playing the game but I feel it lacks the depth XI had. And that depth is something I wish they would bring from XI to XIV. Those epic storylines (and storyline fights), an interesting world full of life, great challenges, victories and disappointments.

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That's it, XI did actually draw you in, and was hard to just walk away from. I actually wanted to see the next CS in most stories, would push through that 5AM window to get that last piece knocked out so I could say "I did this." In XIV I have very little trouble saying "I'll leave it for a few weeks." It doesn't have that "allure/addiction" factor working so much.

I think that's as much an issue within the player community as it is with bleh story/gameplay, the other thing that got me to log in nearly everyday in XI was know there were people that would invariably be looking to do something and they'd love to "drag" me along with them, and I'd have fun, maybe not with what we did so much, but certainly with the people I was doing it with. There's something of that missing here too, perhaps I've just not found the right people yet.

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That's it, XI did actually draw you in, and was hard to just walk away from. I actually wanted to see the next CS in most stories, would push through that 5AM window to get that last piece knocked out so I could say "I did this." In XIV I have very little trouble saying "I'll leave it for a few weeks." It doesn't have that "allure/addiction" factor working so much.

I think that's as much an issue within the player community as it is with bleh story/gameplay, the other thing that got me to log in nearly everyday in XI was know there were people that would invariably be looking to do something and they'd love to "drag" me along with them, and I'd have fun, maybe not with what we did so much, but certainly with the people I was doing it with. There's something of that missing here too, perhaps I've just not found the right people yet.

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I get all these things from XIV, just as much with XIV in fact because its generally a lot easier to get people do stuff in this game than it was in XI. (kind of odd considering we have such a small player base as well)

Maybe you're just jaded or nostalgic ?

FFXI was my first MMO and it holds a lot of strong memories but much of it is nostalgia, mainly because it was the first time I ever experienced that kind of thing in a video game.

Honestly let Yoshi-P do what he wants to. He doesn't need us to tell him which feature to take from which game. I think that by now he proved himself and showed well enough that he knows what he is doing. When he needs our opinion he just makes a poll and even then polls are needed only when the team can't decide between the options they themselves came up with.

We can cry as much as we want about making this XI-2 or WOW-2, it won't change a thing. Also they have their 2.0 plan already layed out and it is not because they haven't revealed it all to us that we must think that they need us to tell them which features need to be in 2.0.

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Honestly let Yoshi-P do what he wants to. He doesn't need us to tell him which feature to take from which game. I think that by now he proved himself and showed well enough that he knows what he is doing. When he needs our opinion he just makes a poll and even then polls are needed only when the team can't decide between the options they themselves came up with.

We can cry as much as we want about making this XI-2 or WOW-2, it won't change a thing. Also they have their 2.0 plan already layed out and it is not because they haven't revealed it all to us that we must think that they need us to tell them which features need to be in 2.0.

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Not just him... there are people like
Lead Concept Artist Akihiko Yoshida... who's been doing character designs since the Squaresoft SNES days..., all the tactics games... FFXII

Yaeko Sato, who worked on the stories for VIII and XII...

Hiroshi Minagawa is doing the UI... Which is what he did in tactics and XII

Nobuaki Komoto is the lead designer... and guess what he did from 2003 to 2008... Direct the "Golden Years" of FFXI...

Even Yoshi-P's assistant director Shintaro Tamai did the motion and animation stuff for IX, X and Kingdom hearts...

And my favorite member of the staff (Well, tied with Nobuo Uematsu, of course), a man who is up there with the likes of Hironobu Sakaguchi, Hiromichi Tanaka and Koichi Ishii (or as I call them, the original 3)... a man responsible for Attack Time Bar (ATB) first introduced in FFIV.... He did FFIV, FFV ... He directed Chrono trigger and gave us dual-techs (Can you say "Napalm"). He is the man responsible for Wings of the Goddess in FFXI... none other than Akihiko Matsui.
And he is the LEAD BATTLE DESIGNER

This battle system gets beat down so bad by lag... and that man has still made it something special... I can't imagine how much of a challenge it would be to work on the battle system knowing you cant do anything about the lag.
At 2.0 when lag is greatly reduced (I know, I know, fingers crossed), we're fighting with Chocobo's and using battle regimen... I get choked up just thinking about how incredible things will be...

My point is... the developers are a nice mix of people who worked on FFXI and people who had nothing to do with it...
There are people who worked on earlier titles, and people who've never worked on a Final Fantasy title at all....
So the ideas will inevitably come from everywhere... which is good...
With such a well rounded team... Maybe we can learn to compromise... or at the very least, come into this with open minds...

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I don't get those feelings exactly because it's so much easier to do everything. I feel no accomplishment in journeying to a distant city. There's little victory in getting your job. No joy in conquering the storyline. It's just too quick and easy.

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Maybe you're just jaded or nostalgic?

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Nope.

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I don't get those feelings exactly because it's so much easier to do everything. I feel no accomplishment in journeying to a distant city. There's little victory in getting your job. No joy in conquering the storyline. It's just too quick and easy.

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I think that's part of the issue... People can't separate these things
This game lacking a sense of accomplishment doesn't necessarily have anything to do with FFXI....

So someone comes on and says "It should be harder to level, because FFXI was. And it should have a big sweeping, emotional storyline because FFXI did... And getting to a new city should be a journey and an accomplishment to be proud of..... because it was in FFXI"

And those things are all true... But the thing to understand is those things would still be needed in this game... even if they weren't in FFXI... in fact, someone who never played FFXi could recognize the scattered story, the quick and easy instant gratification leveling... The zones having no real structure.. nothing to move you along to the next place....

All things being said... those are very much needed in this game... but FFXIV needs those things because FFXIV needs those things...

Saying "FFXI had X feature and I'd like to see it in FFXIV" is great
but saying "FFXIV needs X feature BECAUSE it was in FFXI" is just silly

conversely to the other side...

If an idea is good... its good. If it comes from FFXI and would work well or fit in good with this game, why not use it.
Judge it on it's own merit.

Telling people to go back to FFXI is kind of silly... but telling SE to clone FFXI is just as silly

I know many people aren't saying clone.. they'd just like to see some features... but some of you really are asking for a clone without even knowing...
Its like: "OK... copy my exact face... ok.. now completely copy my brain... hair.... You know what... Copy my torso... I have a good torso... I like my arms too.. copy those.. Might as well copy legs and feet also... but you can do whatever you want with the toes"
At that point you're asking for a clone

In order from least popular to most popular you have:
1. An unfinished, Laggy game, with no content and glitches/crashes all over the place
2. FFXI-2
3. FFXI
4. A new, innovative FF MMO that appeals to a wider base of players, has tons of content, no lag issues and looks beautiful with fresh new environments and lots to do. A game that borrows from FFXI but is still very much it's own game

FFXIV started at #1.... did horribly so a few people wanted them to turn it into #2..... but there is no reason #4 can't still happen.

Let's be real... WoW did 15 million at peak and sustained over 8-10 million for a long time and yet.... no WoW clone is even doing a tenth of WoW's numbers....
If you want a game to be better than it's predecessor it needs to grow.. to expand.. to change...
BUT
It needs to learn from the previous installment...
and the original fanbase and the newer fanbase need to come together...
And we all just can't seem to do that

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I get all these things from XIV, just as much with XIV in fact because its generally a lot easier to get people do stuff in this game than it was in XI. (kind of odd considering we have such a small player base as well)

Maybe you're just jaded or nostalgic ?

FFXI was my first MMO and it holds a lot of strong memories but much of it is nostalgia, mainly because it was the first time I ever experienced that kind of thing in a video game.

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Maybe I need to be on your server ... took me 6hrs to get a party together for the final drg fight, it's a 10 min fight and noone wanted to help ...

I may be jaded, and nostalgic, I'm not however blind or unaware. The people I met in FFXI ran the gamut, from absolute prick to nicest person ever, here there's just a much smaller cross section so the extremes stand out more. I never want to give up the good memories I have from XI, or any of the other MMOs I've played. XI was the longest I stayed in one, I f course saw more, met more people, and have more experiences both good and bad. I'd like very much to say that in 7~8 years FFXIV holds the same types of memories, but in the last ~1yr it has been more diappointment than anything.

Perhaps it's the overall negativity the surrounds the game that makes me feel this way, perhaps I'm just being sucked into the whirlpool of hate and discontent, I'm still looking to the horizon for that silver lining and have no intention of being sucked completely under until well after 2.0. That doesn't mean I have to be all "Yay FFXIV is the best thing ever." Fuck I never said that about XI, or my friends/family/girlfriends for that matter, nothing is ever all good, if it is you gotta stop smoking it ...

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Maybe I need to be on your server ... took me 6hrs to get a party together for the final drg fight, it's a 10 min fight and noone wanted to help ...

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Yea I am not looking forward to the four jobs I have yet to do, so can appreciate that, I just hope my LS will help me they are a pretty good bunch :D lol.

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I may be jaded, and nostalgic, I'm not however blind or unaware. The people I met in FFXI ran the gamut, from absolute prick to nicest person ever, here there's just a much smaller cross section so the extremes stand out more. I never want to give up the good memories I have from XI, or any of the other MMOs I've played. XI was the longest I stayed in one, I f course saw more, met more people, and have more experiences both good and bad. I'd like very much to say that in 7~8 years FFXIV holds the same types of memories, but in the last ~1yr it has been more diappointment than anything.

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I can see where you are coming from, I will say though for me many of the nosaglic memories I have from 11 weren't until CoP, I mean sure Valkrum was a learning experience alright and running to Jeuno was exciting but the real memorable moments for me was battling my way through the aqueducts against fomors and seeing misreaux coast for the first time and completeing all 3 spires etc was amazing stuff, but as I said before this game is not in a state where they can start giving us that kind of content yet.

Fingers crossed though after 2.0 we will get all that awesome stuff.

"If you want FF XI , then PLAY FF XI!"

You could have just left it at that and just said title^, that sums up about everything I'm thinking towards people that are trying to transform this into an XI clone.