Scout, Caster, Pet. Which class would you want next?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by grandm

after giving it some thought i would like to see

thief
pet
caster.

i think the game needs

caster
pet
thief

(BOOOOOO)

---

Yea, I unfortunately agree with this. :(


Thief... noooooooo

Ninja!!!!!

SAAAAAAAAAAAAMURAI!!!!!!!!

all are great
i personally want a summoner

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by syntaxlies

im actually shocked how many people would take the novelty of a pet class before an essential class like a mage. maybe after 1.20 sinks in abit people will realize how outta balance the game is.

---

Right because adding a 3rd mage class is balancing the game more then adding the 1st pet class? you lost me...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DNO

Right because ading a 3rd mage class is balancing the game more then adding the 1st pet class? you lost me...

---

because 1.20 is removing all the enfeebling magic/debuffs/dots, that why, most mmos have that stuff outta box.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by syntaxlies

because 1.20 is removing all the enfeebling magic/debuffs/dots, that why, most mmos have that stuff outta box.

---

there is no saying pet class can't be DoM. and the pets couldn't specialize in debuff/enfeebling

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by syntaxlies

because 1.20 is removing all the enfeebling magic/debuffs/dots, that why, most mmos have that stuff outta box.

---

We now have a buffing class called brd. So we will get better buffs to counter act the debuffs. Also we have combos that inflict some of these debuffs. so its not lost just different.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by grandm

there is no saying pet class can't be DoM. and the pets couldn't specialize in debuff/enfeebling

---

if is a mage type pet class then there no saying it cant also be a thf is there


i mage with daggers and a pet who steals and does magic, anything is possible but lets stick to the stereo typical roles for arguments sake

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by syntaxlies

if is a mage type pet class then there no saying it cant also be a thf is there

---

We are not gonna get another Melee thats completely NOT balancing the game. You had a point with another mage over thf but now your lost if you think a thf over Mage or pet class.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DNO

Right because adding a 3rd mage class is balancing the game more then adding the 1st pet class? you lost me...

---

Yes, actually. In fact it would still be more ballanced if they added a thief class instead. Because while the need for a debuffing mage is great, at least a thief wouldnt take us anymore into a negative and crazy ballancing nightmate like a pet class. Pet classes will always end up being one of 2 things: 1. OverPowered or 2. Completely Useless. I definately dont want and overpowered class, but what even worse is creating a completely useless class. I have seen this in a few games, and its disheartening to let people raise a class with the false assumption that they will be able to contribute to Endgame and be needed. Im sure people remember Beastmaster from FFXI? The one class that was always shunned by endgame content. The only time it wasnt was when Beastmasters got together and made an all beastmaster EGLS. And before anyone says it, yes its all about ENdgame and no the journey doesnt matter at all.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by syntaxlies

if is a mage type pet class then there no saying it cant also be a thf is there


i mage with daggers and a pet who steals and does magic, anything is possible but lets stick to the stereo typical roles for arguments sake

---

no there is not. it could be a magic casting thief, that has a pet.

BAM every1 is happy :P

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DNO

We now have a buffing class called brd. So we will get better buffs to counter act the debuffs. Also we have combos that inflict some of these debuffs. so its not lost just different.

---

oh, do we now have that, i thought that cam out in 3 months, anyway, im begining to think you haven't looked at class reforms. bards will not fill the whole that mage reforms will have.

Quote:

---

We are not gonna get another Melee thats completely NOT balancing the game. You had a point with another mage over thf but now your lost if you think a thf over Mage or pet class.

---

i was referring to combining all three into 1 class as a joke, gandm got it, good job grandm

I'd love to see another mage class :) I've always had the most fun casting magic!

It doesn't matter if its nuking, healing, debuff or buffing magic, as long as it does some lightshow which looks cool, then I'll be happy :D (Really am hoping for improvments on that :() . Of course it's even more awesome when the spells are powerful as well! :o

Another caster/mage class all the way please!!! /votes

Well first off... 1.20 is class adjustments only. Jobs will be 1.21 so no, cnj/whm is not really enough because for the duration of 1.20 it will only be cnj. Second, I can only assume that at some point the ease in which people can be power leveled is going to be nerfed again (maybe not... but we'll see.) not to mention that the need to get cnj to 50 in order to effectively cross class abilities from it is going to change as well, so people who are not inclined to play healers may be less inclined to level cnj past where they need it for certain abilities.

Right now thm can heal in a pinch... how effective will they be when they no longer have sacrifice and only have the same cure spell everyone else can learn from cnj?

Another class that can heal (if not as effectively as cnj/whm) will be needed.

But who knows... maybe paladin will fill that role.

I'm just not used to seeing an MMO with only one class that can heal.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by normalforce

So, in order of importance to me, I'd vote: Thief first, Caster next, Pet third.

---

Agreed. Same order i'm in favor of. :D

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Amsai

Yes, actually. In fact it would still be more ballanced if they added a thief class instead. Because while the need for a debuffing mage is great, at least a thief wouldnt take us anymore into a negative and crazy ballancing nightmate like a pet class. Pet classes will always end up being one of 2 things: 1. OverPowered or 2. Completely Useless. I definately dont want and overpowered class, but what even worse is creating a completely useless class. I have seen this in a few games, and its disheartening to let people raise a class with the false assumption that they will be able to contribute to Endgame and be needed. Im sure people remember Beastmaster from FFXI? The one class that was always shunned by endgame content. The only time it wasnt was when Beastmasters got together and made an all beastmaster EGLS. And before anyone says it, yes its all about ENdgame and no the journey doesnt matter at all.

---

Wow... man so SMN , PUP and BST was useless? right i see what you did there............dot......

It's already been said that a magic class will come first, numerous times in numerous interviews. So that casting class could either be a pet class or a regular caster class. Theif has lowest priority.

Goodbye

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by syntaxlies

oh, do we now have that, i thought that cam out in 3 months, anyway, im begining to think you haven't looked at class reforms. bards will not fill the whole that mage reforms will have.


i was referring to combining all three into 1 class as a joke, gandm got it, good job grandm

---

And also did THM lose debuffs now? nope not yet. It will lose it but its not gone now. Im starting to think you are playing a future version of this game that i have not played yet.

and joke was not really funny.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DeadRiser

It's already been said that a magic class will come first, numerous times in numerous interviews. So that casting class could either be a pet class or a regular caster class. Theif has lowest priority.

Goodbye

---

and this is the smartest way to do it.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DeadRiser

It's already been said that a magic class will come first, numerous times in numerous interviews. So that casting class could either be a pet class or a regular caster class. Theif has lowest priority.

Goodbye

---

Then Yoshi must be on crack because he asked which of those three could come next. That or obvious troll is obvious. Don't people read anymore? :P I would prefer a Thief class but I honestly couldn't give an ass about what comes first, as long as thief gets confirmed somewhere down the line I'll be a happy adventurer.

Also, a casting class should come first so you are right about that, but when have interviews actually been proven to actually happen? Its all talk, thats what an interview is.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DNO

Wow... man so SMN , PUP and BST was useless? right i see what you did there............dot......

---

SMN was ok in special situations, for the most part durring my 8 or so years of FFXI we never used them unless absolutely no other class could fill the role, and we never ever used PUP or BST. So yea maybe useless was harsh, I meant almost useless. Better?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Amsai

SMN was ok in special situations, for the most part durring my 8 or so years of FFXI we never used them unless absolutely no other class could fill the role, and we never ever used PUP or BST. So yea maybe useless was harsh, I meant almost useless. Better?

---

Then your LS just sucked. During my 6-7 years in ff11 we had them all. SMN is actually a beast now in Asea btw.

ANyway that was ff11 this is f14. Some MMOs pet classes are the best. Mab think outside of the box a little?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DNO

Then your LS just sucked. During my 6-7 years in ff11 we had them all. SMN is actually a beast now in Asea btw.

ANyway that was ff11 this is f14. Some MMOs pet classes are the best. Mab think outside of the box a little?

---

They should be done much differently. Many of the MMOs I have played handle pets the same way. I'd like the dev team to have more time working with ideas before they are pressured into releasing them asap.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DNO

Then your LS just sucked. During my 6-7 years in ff11 we had them all. SMN is actually a beast now in Asea btw.

ANyway that was ff11 this is f14. Some MMOs pet classes are the best. Mab think outside of the box a little?

---

Nah, Im done, Im sure pet classes will be in the game, and who knows maybe thay can suprise me and............... oh idk, actually matter? I doubt it though. If SE can pull it off then Ill eat my words, but personally Ive never seen what I would call good pet classes in any MMO ive played. They were always OP, useless, or at best mediocre.

FYI: Im gald yo managed to find it in your heart to include Pet classes in endgame, that was very gracious of you. To think some people are so nice as to go that far to make others feel useful. Thats 2 gold stars and 3 smiley faces for you!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Amsai

Nah, Im done, Im sure pet classes will be in the game, and who knows maybe thay can suprise me and............... oh idk, actually matter? I doubt it though. If SE can pull it off then Ill eat my words, but personally Ive never seen what I would call good pet classes in any MMO ive played. They were always OP, useless, or at best mediocre.

FYI: Im gald yo managed to find it in your heart to include Pet classes in endgame, that was very gracious of you. To think some people are so nice as to go that far to make others feel useful. Thats 2 gold stars and 3 smiley faces for you!

---

Yo thanks!!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DNO

Yo thanks!!

---

once again you missed the joke,lol

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Nuru

They should be done much differently. Many of the MMOs I have played handle pets the same way. I'd like the dev team to have more time working with ideas before they are pressured into releasing them asap.

---

Im sure they have been or Yoshia would never have metioned it. They never give out to many details. But you are right. If its gonna be done it needs to be done right but lets be honest we aint getting no new jobs till 2013,2.0, Ps3 release mab anyway. thats more then enough time

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by syntaxlies

once again you missed the joke,lol

---

I did not miss it. I guess mine went over your head. Just breath its ok. thats what we call Sarcasm

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DNO

I did not miss it. I guess mine went over your head. Just breath its ok. thats what we call Sarcasm

---

sure yea did,lol

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by syntaxlies

sure yea did,lol

---

Yo thanks!!!! i am glad you see it my way ^^...

Anyway im done with you.

Dont give DNO too hard a time Syn. Im sure the dude is nice enough and a good player. We just have to agree to disagree pretty much. Or have Yoshi prove us wrong. No hard feelings summoner and beastmaster would-bes, I just dont want them to exist for the greater good, its not like I hate the idea of pet classes. What I hate are loldrg and lolbst comments and attitudes that are a result of lolballance. Ok lunch is over and im back to work, time to break some poor contractors heart.................. I love my job.

I would like to see more magic classes, from summoner to a debuffer class time mage anyone?

The nice think about the change in skill sets is that it opens up the ability for more different types of classes, which is always fun.

The game needs more classes... My vote is Magic classes first, followed by pet classes, then Melee classes. If I had my wish, they would introduce all three at the same time. :) giving people options. :)

I like pet classes, and want one. I want a debuffer in game, and we are losing the one we have. I am all for combining the two. As Delmontyb says though, I am all for more classes in general, and will be happy to take all I can get. I love options.

it should be caster thief and then pets

cause we need another mage class then pets will probably be the most difficult class to balance and take alot more trial and error so save it for last

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by knite23

it should be caster thief and then pets

cause we need another mage class then pets will probably be the most difficult class to balance and take alot more trial and error so save it for last

---

I'm just going to pretend you actually wrote what my brain thought you did and post my comment anyway.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by knite23

"It should be a caster thief with pets!"

---

Problem solved! Thanks, knite23. d(^_^)b

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Abelia

Did anyone else notice that the new mage class is exactly what thaumaturge is now?

---

Before 1.18 both mages classes was an Grey spot no real role even after 1.19 THM still feels like it has no certain role just an gray dot.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Abelia

Did anyone else notice that the new mage class is exactly what thaumaturge is now?

---

I sort of laughed when I noticed that too, yeah. >_>

We definitely need another caster though.

Is it just me, or is it Blatantly obvious that the Devs need to do All three?

The severe lack of balance between mages and melee is pretty glaring.

A lack of Pet class is keeping a Large number of players who love pet based combat away from the game.

and MOST disturbing imo is an MMO without a Thief Class? I mean seriously? WTF. Honestly, I think the Mage and Pet class are more important to Balancing the Games world. We NEED those. But who ever heard of an MMO without a thief class? It is one of the most fundamental staples of the Genre. It has a dedicated style of combat that is laughable when applied to any other class.

There is once itsy bitsy problem though. "Thief" is a Classic Final Fantasy Role. That makes it a Job name. Hasn't Yoshida already expressed an interest in melding it with Ninja? I see how it could work. It even sounds appealing to me. But I wonder how people will react to it..

Hm, for me personally I'd prefer Pet, Scout and Debuffer in that order.

However, looking at game balance, it probably needs to be the exact opposite. There's not going to be any real debuffs after this patch, and while I hate playing mages, I understand the need for that. I'm not going to use the usual internet forum flame language regarding the lack of a scout class, but we could certainly use a traditional dagger using Thief, partly so Gladiators aren't stuck using daggers when they clearly want to use swords. A pet class is secondary, but I personally have the most fun with those out of the three, so hopefully it won't be too long in coming. That said, I don't want Dragoon to be a pet job.