And here I think you bring up another valid point. If tank stances are locked to jobs, what about players that choose to run as base class? Should they really be so gimped? Sure it can be argued that no base class should be used once jobs are unlocked. But that removes the player's choice to do so, for whatever reason.Quote:
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Give Tanks Tank Stance at Level 15
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06-10-2016, 08:00 AMHasrat
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06-10-2016, 08:16 AMLaunchedThey shouldn't even be allowed to queue for any dungeon or trial past Haukke.Quote:
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06-10-2016, 10:11 AMJudah_BrandtAre you serious??? With the stat and job skill detriments...you're actually saying it isn't fair that people actively choosing to play an inferior class are at a detriment? Get out of this thread lol.Quote:
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06-10-2016, 10:21 AMHoodRatTfw level 50 thm has higher single target dps than level 50 blmQuote:
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06-10-2016, 10:54 AMVioletteTfw level 50 maru/glad/acn also can have higher dps.Quote:
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Anyway, getting tank stance early would be detrimental to the development of tank players.
Giving them enmity bonuses early will make things too easy and not teach them to first jungle enmity, prioritize dps and watch the enmity meters.
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06-10-2016, 10:55 AMFynlarObviously, you can wing it. You can throw 4 DPS into some of these early dungeons and still win (and if anything, you'll probably win *faster* than with a 1/1/2 setup). If not, make one of the DPS an arcanist, or even just a THM/BLM with cross classed Physick, and you certainly can do it.Quote:
not the way to tank by all means but when it comes to satasha you can easily wing it. even with lvl 60's that are sync'd down and in full 240+ gear.
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06-10-2016, 11:36 AMSpookyGhostCan't see lvl 50 GLD out-parsing lvl 50 PLD. Losing SwO and Spirits Within is pretty huge.Quote:
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06-10-2016, 11:50 AMHasrat
Point is game offers the option as a choice. Why should other classes be viable but not tanks without jobs?
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06-10-2016, 12:36 PMJudah_BrandtJust because it offers that choice does not make it a good one. I could choose to use a rusted spatha on my Paladin instead of a relevant ilvl weapon. What you're virtually proposing is that since it's an option it should be viable, which is just not the case. As for someone bringing up lvl 50 class rotations versus lvl 50 job rotations, that was a thing when PvP was first released. I don't know it's still the case. And especially not without excessive cross class abilities and a complicated rotation that isn't relevant to the topic at hand.Quote:
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06-10-2016, 08:12 PMwinsockI think a broader issue is at play here. Tank stance or no, the ilvl and the frequency of flash are still important. If new tanks can avoid learning about these 2 things via tank stance, does it actually fix anything? For example, if sastasha complaints die down, but gear continues to be ignored, will these sastasha complaints be inevitability replaced complaints about haukke manor or some other dungeon when their gear becomes too out of date for tank stance to help?Quote:
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