#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

Let me know how do you "spam" Midare & Kaeshi as frequent as spamming Glaroilficosis. Tell me about this super sikkrit technique to spam your Midare 22 times in a minute.

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Yo dude, no need to get sarcastic. I can smell the salt all the way from Turliyollal lol. Sure midare spam is much less than the healers but I spam glare/malefic/broil/dosis when I play healers too and it's fine because I'm more concerned/busy of keeping the party alive than which color is my parse is going to be to after the clear. But hey you do you, living that salt life can be fun I guess...? Lol.

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Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard

The thing with that is that they've effectively softened everything up to a point that it's actually tanks that are obsolete, because a DPS or a Healer can easily survive a "tankbuster" in generally anything below Extreme Trials. And as they made tanks obsolete, they also gave WAR and PLD more than enough tools to actually function as healers.

But as tanks can heal themselves, and everything hits for barely anything... Healers have more downtime, which inherently isn't a bad thing but they just absolutely refuse to give Healers anything to do with said downtime. All we get is spamming 1. Occasionally pressing 2 to reapply a DoT.

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Tanks aren’t obsolete for the single reason that in casual content they are the only ones who can effortlessly hold all agro and function without the other roles

In a dungeon a 1T3D is infinitely preferable to 1h3d and in a raid 4t4d is better than 4h4d

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Originally Posted by SoloD007

Yo dude, no need to get sarcastic. I can smell the salt all the way from Turliyollal lol. Sure midare spam is much less than the healers but I spam glare/malefic/broil/dosis when I play healers too and it's fine because I'm more concerned/busy of keeping the party alive than which color is my parse is going to be to after the clear. But hey you do you, living that salt life can be fun I guess...?

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That’s our exact point where are you “busy keeping the party alive”, the tank is immortal in casual content and in savage you just fart out an oGCD and you’ll be at full by the next damage in 30 seconds

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Originally Posted by SargeTheSeagull

Ironically Blizzard has been doing an outstanding job listening to and acting upon feedback the last two years.

And yes, I can put 100% of the responsibility on the devs. Idk about you but I don’t design or program FFXIV.

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I don't design the game either but seem kinda immature of you to put the blame on the devs when they actually want the game to fun as well. Sure you can put 100% of the responsibility on the dev (its a free world), doesn't mean you are right thinking that you can't have fun playing a job just because you spam a skill 22 times a minute or what not.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Tanks aren’t obsolete for the single reason that in casual content they are the only ones who can effortlessly hold all agro and function without the other roles

In a dungeon a 1T3D is infinitely preferable to 1h3d and in a raid 4t4d is better than 4h4d



That’s our exact point where are you “busy keeping the party alive”, the tank is immortal in casual content and in savage you just fart out an oGCD and you’ll be at full by the next damage in 30 seconds

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30 secs is pretty fast in a savage content or higher content. Considering a typical clear fight if no errors and dps is on point is like 8 - 10 mins...? I think by the time you can even drink a mouthful of water, everyone is pretty much almost dead... lol

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Originally Posted by Galvuu

The best part about Picto is that, other than the burst window and keeping some stuff on cd, there's no rotation. You can mix and match to suit what's needed.
It's actually a lot like a light version of EW BLM- like, a bit more flexible and easier because you have no dot to manage and no Polyglot clock/AF timer, but it actually is quite enjoyable to play as.
So yea, try that instead of playing healer :D

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At first blush, that is my gut feeling as well. Where was the rotation? My FC mates and I talked a while about it and we decided to wing it.

Everyone thoroughly enjoyed the job. I loved being able to dash around and splash my enemies with paint and actually laughed when my character pulled out a big hammer and started smashing things.

Pictomancer is so much fun to play! Pictomancer is nothing like the complexity for complexity's sake job I feared it would be.

There are layers upon layers there; but, there's also choice. It doesn't feel as simple as Summoner (a job I actually enjoy too) . Best of all, there's no pressure to "get it right." Mix and match as you see fit.

So, I second your recommendation. Check out Pictomancer, everyone!

"Quote Originally Posted by SargeTheSeagull View Post
Ironically Blizzard has been doing an outstanding job listening to and acting upon feedback the last two years.

And yes, I can put 100% of the responsibility on the devs. Idk about you but I don’t design or program FFXIV."

Also if Blizzard is doing an outstanding job at their game, I'm not sure why you are here complaining about healing job/roles when WoW seems like a better option to you. Because in my opinion. Healers in hard content are always busy. They don't seem bored at all. So I'm not sure what you are doing as a healer.

I absolutely do not regret hanging up my healer hat to be a pictomancer main. It's fun and complex and I get to juggle a lot of things without being overwhelmed!

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Tanks aren’t obsolete for the single reason that in casual content they are the only ones who can effortlessly hold all agro and function without the other roles

In a dungeon a 1T3D is infinitely preferable to 1h3d and in a raid 4t4d is better than 4h4d

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I would like to see someone try to do a dungeon with a DRK and 3 DPS (without RDM for Vercure) to show that Tanks aren't obsolete, and it's not that WAR or PLD can double as a healer.

Alternatively, if you wanted to see if they indeed are, you could try to pull off doing a dungeon with 4 RDM, if I am correct they should be able to just facetank the boss and Vercure each other back up.

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Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard

I would like to see someone try to do a dungeon with a DRK and 3 DPS (without RDM for Vercure) to show that Tanks aren't obsolete.

Alternatively, if you wanted to see if they indeed are, you could try to pull off doing a dungeon with 4 RDM, if I am correct they should be able to just facetank the boss and Vercure each other back up.

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part 1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCy-PkLgZ68
part 2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zttiIWIZsaA

I have wrote this somewhere before that explains the tl;dr of these two vids:

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That 1DRK + 3DPS endeavor was run with MINE in the following duties:

1. Holminster Switch - no completion time data.
2. Amaurot - 15:58
3. Bardam's Mettle - 14:57
4. The Tower of Zot - 22:03 (wipe once on last boss, cleared in 2nd pull)
5. Dohn Mheg - 15:17 (also no interrupt/interject used on Fuath)
6. Mt. Gulg - 15:36 (with first megapull of 5 packs & last megapull, NO wipes on both.)
7. Shisui of the Violet Tides - 12:30 (wipe once on megapull after 1st boss)
8. Doma Castle - 15:39 (wipe once on megapull after 1st boss)
9. The Qitana Ravel - 20:25 (wipe once on last megapull)

All of these dungeons are filled with more commonly known "hard to heal by DF healer"-pulls. Again, with MINE active. It's not a situation you'll realistically see in daily DF runs - that's the equivalent of not wearing all gears obtained from first playthrough of MSQ on all 4 participants. It was far from a series of perfect runs. That low of a collective HPS was all that's needed, let that sink in. It should NOT even be a thing ideally.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

As a samurai you don’t press a single button more than 20% of the time in savage

We can press broil up to 80% of the time

It isn’t remotely comparable

And BRD isn’t comparable either because BRD has strong buffs and still has an interesting rotation

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I agree it's not remotely comparable, but I also don't expect it to be. If I want an involved DPS rotation, I'll...play DPS...I don't play a healer to go through dps rotations; I play a healer to...well...heal...DPS is just filler for me when I heal, so it just being a dot and a spell (either single-target or AoE) is fine by me.

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So I think people who are truly unhappy with healer job should change their mindset instead and find ways to make healer job that you play more fun.

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Or play other jobs that they find more fun, and let those who enjoy current healer design be the healers. My opposition to the "strike" is their focus on making this all about themselves and trying to fundamentally change the role for other people who are enjoying it when they could just simply switch to something else they find more fun.

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Ironically Blizzard has been doing an outstanding job listening to and acting upon feedback the last two years.

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Blizzard looked at the data and responded appropriately. Shadowlands was an absolute disaster of an xpac that saw their population plummet. Remember the whole "WoW exodus"? EW, meanwhile, had the highest active playerbase to date for FFXIV at every point along the way (even after the "WoW exodus" subsided). SE is also listening to feedback - just feedback from everyone through the myriad data gathering they do rather than selectively listening to the minuscule few of us that post on the forums. Blizzard had a problem they needed to solve. SE has a game still on an upward trajectory.

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That’s our exact point where are you “busy keeping the party alive”, the tank is immortal in casual content

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Not when you play random roulettes with random, typical players. If you play with people who are sufficiently expert in skill at the game, then yes, casual content will be a cakewalk no matter what you bring, but play typical runs with typical players, and healers typically will need to do quite a bit of active healing to keep the party alive. That's the exact point that seems to be missed and leads to frustration.

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I would like to see someone try to do a dungeon with a DRK and 3 DPS (without RDM for Vercure) to show that Tanks aren't obsolete, and it's not that WAR or PLD can double as a healer.

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I would like to see a group of random, average players do this. There is no doubt in my mind a group of veteran streamers who have min-maxed the heck out of the game could take a party of anything and clear a dungeon. That would also be completely meaningless for the typical player. When random players of moderate skill can consistently pull off something like what you suggest, then I'd start arguing there's an issue.