SAM out classing all other DPS

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Originally Posted by MiruWest

I'm not mad at anything. Yes people can have opinions but when people start to push their opinion as FACT on how things should be handled, that's where the problem is.

Many folks have been using FFLogs to toss numbers around this entire thread but we can't use them as a means to validate themselves?

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There is nothing wrong with using FFLogs on the forums. Parsers are only forbidden to be used as means of harassment in game.

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Originally Posted by Ryaz

Just a question, does Ninki actually degrade? I was under the impression that it works like Kenki and doesn't. And most people have realized that DRG and MCH are in a bad place right now. I don't think anyone is arguing that they're good.

The easiest way to balance selfish DPS and DPS with support abilities is to remove support abilities from those DPS classes altogether. Distribute them among your tanks, healers and ranged support (brd/much) and simply worry about numbers with DPS classes. I don't see that happening, though.

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Of course ninki doesn't degrade, just like chakra stacks and most other resources for other jobs except for self buffs. Speaking of buffs, SAM loses 2 that are very similar to greased lightning when taken together. The guy doesn't know what he's talking about, he probably didn't even unlock the job. And of course he doesn't know how NIN works at all since NIN is the melee job less affected by boss jumps.

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Originally Posted by Lastelli

Of course ninki doesn't degrade, just like chakra stacks and most other resources for other jobs except for self buffs. Speaking of buffs, SAM loses 2 that are very similar to greased lightning when taken together. The guy doesn't know what he's talking about, he probably didn't even unlock the job. And of course he doesn't know how NIN works at all since NIN is the melee job less affected by boss jumps.

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Alright, thanks. So I was right. I was just confused for a moment because he included Ninja in losing resources, which I could swear didn't happen, and wanted to confirm. Haven't played Ninja since the expansion, so I wasn't 100% certain.

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Originally Posted by Ryaz

Alright, thanks. So I was right. I was just confused for a moment because he included Ninja in losing resources, which I could swear didn't happen, and wanted to confirm. Haven't played Ninja since the expansion, so I wasn't 100% certain.

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NIN can lose huton but it's hardly an issue.

Side note: SE should give all players a chance to parse, even if only for personal dps. Or either give it to all or not allow at all.

But bettet give personal dps parsers away on the mog station, when you buy a mount or minion, but with better Hud and stability than ACT. So console players and players on over worked PC's can use them too. Maybe even get more to want to use the more stable and prettier "personal" (only shows your dps) parser from the mog station, over the ACT, which could be used less and less.. or only for special occasions.

But atm SE is just running from the problem than actually adressing it. SSS is not really a solution.., it's as useful as dummies are compared to real fights.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

Oath, blood, Lily, Beast, Ninki, Kenki, Ammo, Aetherflow, Chakra, Fairy, B/W Mana and HEAT all don't degrade if they aren't used, and stay wherever they were indefinitely when you aren't hitting stuff. I remember wandering around for a while with 95 Heat outside of my FC for a few hours because I was lazy and it never dipped. The only point gauges empty if you change zones.

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*slow clap*


Man, it surprises me how many people don't know this. People always spouting "every other job looses all their resources".

Lol, wut? Really? Is that what you see? Everybody looses everything except Rem and Sam.

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Originally Posted by Critical-Limit

Didn't know you could get GL3 in 5 seconds do you mean if you just "happen" to have perfect balance up? That move with a really long cool down?

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You can get gl3 back faster than a sam gets his buffs back.

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Originally Posted by KingFrost

Take it easy there, tiger. No need berate players based on parse and invalidate their voice in a discussion with said 3rd party tools. I'm fairly certain that's frowned upon, and possibly expressly forbidden, by SE.

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She has a very good point though

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

Oath, blood, Lily, Beast, Ninki, Kenki, Ammo, Aetherflow, Chakra, Fairy, B/W Mana and HEAT all don't degrade if they aren't used, and stay wherever they were indefinitely when you aren't hitting stuff. I remember wandering around for a while with 95 Heat outside of my FC for a few hours because I was lazy and it never dipped. The only point gauges empty if you change zones.

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There's a huge difference between keeping Chakra, and keeping Greased Lightning.
Or keeping Ninki, and losing Huton (though admittedly you can easily pop this back on).


The point I was trying to make is, other melee are severely punished during downtime, while SAMs Sen AND Kenki are untouched. Am I supposed to believe a lack of utility allows jobs to greatly surpass others in the same role?

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Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

There's a huge difference between keeping Chakra, and keeping Greased Lightning.
Or keeping Ninki, and losing Huton (though admittedly you can easily pop this back on).

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At worst, if you lose GL, you pop Perfect and you're back in nearly full form in 3 GCD's, or thanks to form shift you go through a quickly ramping 7 GCD window to get back to Max power.

Or time Earth Riddle and probably won't lose GL3 in the first place.

Ninja? Precast Huton when it hits around 15 seconds and your good to go. Or use Huton asap after the boss jumps and sit down and sip some tea, because no break is so long you'll lose that 70 second buff.

When it comes to ramping, SAM has none of the above options. Meikyo is a huuuuuge dps loss to use on Shifu+Jinpu, and when buffs fall off when Sen are active, you still need to make a judgement call based on what your Kinky looks like post Meditation, how many sen are up, how quickly you can dump excess Kinky so you don't overfill, etc.