YOSHI FIX THE DANG GIL ISSUE THAT IS KILLING OUR PLAYERS!!!

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Originally Posted by HealBus

Thank you so much for saving me the time to write this. Economics should be compulsory in education.

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No problem. I'm an accountant so it's what I do. Dulled it down quite a bit so some of the others could understand. I can post many more variables for understanding if need be.

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Originally Posted by Razla

Why naked FATE? Could just wear lower level gear that is no longer important and possibly do lower level FATEs.

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For FATEs, running naked is the best option. Why? Because all your items still incur damage. that lower level gear could be used as hand-me-downs to classes that can wear similar equipment. Unless your a tank, in which non-high 50s gear would actually be better than naked, running naked, save a relatively cheap 48-50 weapon would be ideal to save as much as possible.

For dungeons, unless I'm running a post-game dungeon (AK, WP, Primal HMs...), I tend to wear gear I wore pre-50. I can take out 6 Leves to repair the equipment without cutting into my 79k (currently)

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Originally Posted by ShadowKuraido

I give up if you really think there is just as many players repairing end game gear because of repeated dungeon grinds as there is players 1-49 grinding/zerging fates with positive gil returns then I have nothing else to say.

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There is nothing to say since my comment towards you pretty much puts your foot in your mouth. rounded variables that put into perspective the problem and makes it hard for rebuttle.

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Originally Posted by Geldt

lol... as if I'd post on these boards with my main,,,, you crazy bro.

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Means you are leveling an alt to solve personal wealth. Either means your main is a legacy character, or your main is broke and your alt is now going to fund your main.

As of right now, crafting will help your gil from running dry. Now you may say that everyone can only earn a limited amount of gil before it runs dry. Well lets now look at what everyone is ignoring or failing to post in this thread, the gil sellers. They are spamming 1-50 quest over and over. Then you get someone that waste their RL money on gil for an advantage and that person buys a lot from the market board. The crafters then benefit from the market board.

Now I don't like how this is with gil sellers. But this current system seems to be designed to take in the account of the inflation that RMTs cause. While it would be nice if a mmorpg could completely prevent RMT and automatically ban anyone who even attempts it, the real story is far from that right now(which is sad but true).

So as of right now, craft if you need gil and hope that poor sap who waste their real money will buy your items on the market board.

lol some of these people powered their way to level 50 did not bother to do any tradecrafts now upset oh well.

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Originally Posted by davidbowie

lol some of these people powered their way to level 50 did not bother to do any tradecrafts now upset oh well.

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sorry but can you explain how any tradecraft can help with this? Sure i can make lots of gil through marketplace but thats just "moving" gil from player A to B while cutting them down by 5%. So tell me how can any DoH or DoL provide something powerfull to run game economy.

Aren't ALL auction houses, market places or whatever else in MMOS moving money from A to B, because you know...you're buying something off someone so naturally your money gets moved to them and you're slightly poorer, they're slightly richer. Some of them also have the percentage fees as well depending.

I understand all the other points with increasing the amount of gil you can earn, but I don't entirely understand the whole market place thing seen as isn't that just what happens when you buy something off someone anyway?

I'm not 50 yet but from what i've seen and experianced i believe these are your issues

1) you raced to 50 (probably fate grinded) and skipped most of the quests where you make money
2) you are a combat only class and skipped the money making doh dol classes
3) the game is a week old so the economy hasnt settled
4) i believe this is how SE wants the game for a few reasons, prevents botting and prevents a combat class from power leveling the doh classes by buying everything off the market

I'm sure once more players hit 50 and SE gets a better idea of where the 1-50 gil ends up they will make adjustments. Im the mean time go back and do some of the quests you skipped or take up a doh/dol class. Or just keep marching on from what i've heard the gil you make covers your repairs and teleports at 50

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Originally Posted by Thane

Man, people really don't get it. Gil sinks are fine, as long as there are gil fountains. Right now, the game has little to no fountains.

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I know what you're saying, but I think that people, the OP included, are complaining that the gil fountain isn't in their Inn Room. Endgamers are used to raking in fountain gil from endgame activities. FFXIV isn't set up like that and they are QQing about it. FFXIV has tiny gil fountains all over the game to spread the gil out over all players instead of making the fountain endgame heavy.

So now that endgamers have to actually work to make gil instead of having it handed to them from their endgame activities, they are QQing all over the place and inventing this gil issue. Its fairly humorous to watch actually.

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Originally Posted by Meevers

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Yes but the point that people are trying to get across is basically the tax. The selling tax and delivery tax remove gil, so even though you're shifting money from person A to B, the gil that is taken for tax is permanently removed from the economy.

People then look at say, running dungeons that give a miniscule amount of generated gil (very little, random allagan piece boxes that only go to 1-3 people (~700gil per box and has to be NPCed, repair fees at 50 are 5 gil per 1% multiplied by however many pieces are damaged at the NPC) and some of the boxes in the end dungeons give potions which is still 0 generated gil (unless NPCed for a paltry amount), yet the repair fees are usually higher than the gil generated which means every time someone uses a repair NPC, more gil is flushed down the toilet yet a miniscule amount of gil is actually "new" generated gil from doing that activity.


Many people are assuming that the gil sinks and gil generation aren't balanced enough right now, with that assumption the entire gil pool is shrinking by the day. This means eventually prices will start going down due to gil being worth more per unit because there is less going around due to the gil sinks draining it out of the economy and not enough sources that generate gil at a break even or profit pace.

I'm not taking sides here, just trying to explain.

Without doing crafting, or harvesting, or anything other than progressing through the main storyline (and side quests along the way), I am consistently sitting at about 70k, and thats after buying gear every few levels off of the market place and teleporting everywhere (not to mention repair bills for repeated wipes in the storyline instances). Questing provides quite a lot of disposable income.

Obviously harvesting and crafting also provide benefits (crafting will let you repair your gear for a song, so if repair bills are high for you, this would be an ideal situation)

OP and everyone who agrees with him don't understand basic economics. The economy in the game is fine. Making money is super easy if you actually put a tiny bit of effort into it. Money is not being drained out faster than than it's being brought in. SE has the means to see the total amount of gil being fluctuated through each server. If it was a major issue, it would already be addressed. Even if that were the case, there wouldn't be any kind of disastrous effect. It would just change how people play the game. Quit whining about how you're not a millionaire from spamming leves and dungeons. Learn to use the marketplace and get on a land/hand class.

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Originally Posted by Quesse

I know what you're saying, but I think that people, the OP included, are complaining that the gil fountain isn't in their Inn Room. Endgamers are used to raking in fountain gil from endgame activities. FFXIV isn't set up like that and they are QQing about it. FFXIV has tiny gil fountains all over the game to spread the gil out over all players instead of making the fountain endgame heavy.

So now that endgamers have to actually work to make gil instead of having it handed to them from their endgame activities, they are QQing all over the place and inventing this gil issue. Its fairly humorous to watch actually.

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What level of education do you possess? My god I am sad and sorry for you at the same time.

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Originally Posted by Veillette

There's your problem.

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I'm a legacy player and I'm making money currently at 630k atm what are you going to do about it hmmm?

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Originally Posted by Frothylager

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No, you are wrong on all accounts.

1) What you fail to realize is that most people in this situation have gone back and done those quests.
2) DoL/DoH classes aren't making gil either unless they are taking it from other players which is both losing money (5% tax) and not generating any for the economy.
3) The economy of this game is won't ever settle, just slowly deflate and then crash into the ground once players realize they won't have adequate ways to generate gil for endgame activities.
4) This actual encourages botting because RMT companies can just level 1 class to 50, move the gil and repeat. Who else has the time in a broken economy other than the guy in China paying his people 1.20$ US to play continuously for 12-18 hours in shifts.

And you've heard wrong again but keep on believing and eventually when the problem is at your doorstep you will have wished you listened to your neighbors who wanted to fix the problem.

Even buying certain items from NPCs can sell for more than double on the marketplace. I go from the weaver's guild to the marketplace (about a 8 second sprint away) and put of 10 gil stacks of cotton bolls for 25 gil. That's free money that you make off of idiots if you just do the tiniest amount of research.

Gold Generators:
- Quests
- Fates
- Leves
- Dungeons

Gold Sinks:
- Repairs
- Auction House
- Teleports

There is a big difference between generating gold to the overall economy and generating gold for yourself. The main issue that people are discussing focuses on the long term economy of this game and given that most of the gold generation comes from questing, as the servers become filled with level 50 characters and new players stop coming in, the amount of gold in the servers is going to be depleted by repairs and teleports.

Unlike most of the people posting in this thread..I actually went through and read all of it.

It seems that the problem isn't so much there isn't enough Gil being generated, but that the primary issue here, according to many, is that repair costs are simply too high and there isn't a way around that currently. I don't play nearly enough to be at endgame yet, but I can definitely see and understand how this will become an issue over time as more people hit endgame.

Rather than increase the Gil generation, it seems likely that allowing Dark Matter to be farmed by either DoL or Dungeon drops (or both) and allowing Crafters to repair others gear would alleviate this problem quite a bit.

Whether SE willl agree, or find their own solution, is up to them...

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Originally Posted by busta

Even buying certain items from NPCs can sell for more than double on the marketplace. I go from the weaver's guild to the marketplace (about a 8 second sprint away) and put of 10 gil stacks of cotton bolls for 25 gil. That's free money that you make off of idiots if you just do the tiniest amount of research.

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you dont undertand a single thing.... majority didnt complain about that they cant make money we complain about system.. i can make around 75K per day just playing market (cheep buy / sell high) but thats not solution. if my "victims" havent any money where can i make my? ATM i know that buying anything in Ah is complete waste of gil in mont prices will be in 1/10. especialy when you realize that hing end crafts can be practicaly useless. Only reason why im still doing DoH and DoL is "maybe in future there will be "

To provide an example for the uneducated masses, even the so called auction house that many relly on makes the problem worse.

Example: I succesfully sell a weapon for 100K in the auction house. The buyer was named Quesse.

Quesse lost 100K when purchasing the item.
Zeons won 95K when selling the item.
The game deducted 5K (5% of the fee) from the transaction.

Overall: The economy lost 5K.

The big problem with this game is that repair fees are too high, and while auction house items may reduce in price, repairs will not. If the cost of repairs actually adjusted to the amount of money in the economy then we would not have a problem. However, since this activity does not follow the lines of supply and demand, combined with the fact that we do not acquire sufficient gil to compensate fates, leves, and dungeons, we are facing an unstable situation that will force us to create new characters in order to farm gold.

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Originally Posted by busta

Even buying certain items from NPCs can sell for more than double on the marketplace. I go from the weaver's guild to the marketplace (about a 8 second sprint away) and put of 10 gil stacks of cotton bolls for 25 gil. That's free money that you make off of idiots if you just do the tiniest amount of research.

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In other words you contributed to the decline of the overall economy since you made a player waste 25 gold to acquire 15 gold. You definitely do not understand the issue that is being discussed. Move along.

If gil is so hard to get why does it cost $50 bucks for 550k of it from those gil selling websites? It must be easy for them to farm....

I don't buy it or endorse buying it but it's obviously easy to get or it wouldn't cost that little for that much. Gil sellers also wouldn't have millions of it in stock...

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Originally Posted by Rikudou-Sennin

If gil is so hard to get why does it cost $50 bucks for 550k of it from those gil selling websites? It must be easy for them to farm....

I don't buy it or endorse buying it but it's obviously easy to get or it wouldn't cost that little for that much. Gil sellers also wouldn't have millions of it in stock...

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It's easy to earn Gil RIGHT NOW, because the majority of players still have Quests to run and earn Gil from, and their repair costs are paltry at best. Eventually, the majority of players will be running dungeons and won't have Quests to earn that Gil, so it will get harder and harder to earn Gil as time passes, assuming the cost to repair items remains as it is currently.

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Originally Posted by Rikudou-Sennin

If gil is so hard to get why does it cost $50 bucks for 550k of it from those gil selling websites? It must be easy for them to farm....

I don't buy it or endorse buying it but it's obviously easy to get or it wouldn't cost that little for that much. Gil sellers also wouldn't have millions of it in stock...

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i did 1-50 in 5 days and make 250K gold just do story and pretty slowly.. "china farmer" with 1,5 USD per day can create new char every day and make this procedure much faster

Dailies, make dungeon mobs drop gil.. like 50 gil per trash mob per player (and get people away from those silly FATEs for a change while also making people inclined to play dungeons as they're meant to be played rather than this speedrun nonsense all in one artful stroke), make things vendor for reasonable prices... lot of ways to do this, SE.

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Originally Posted by Rikudou-Sennin

If gil is so hard to get why does it cost $50 bucks for 550k of it from those gil selling websites? It must be easy for them to farm....

I don't buy it or endorse buying it but it's obviously easy to get or it wouldn't cost that little for that much. Gil sellers also wouldn't have millions of it in stock...

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Most of those sites are blowing smoke anyways. just a way to steal accounts. since you cant transfer characters and slots are limited, they are basically selling snake oil.

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Originally Posted by Rolvag

i did 1-50 in 5 days and make 250K gold just do story and pretty slowly.. "china farmer" with 1,5 USD per day can create new char every day and make this procedure much faster

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Chinese gold farmers speak better English than what you just wrote

I suspect it was designed this way out of fear that someone (*cough* gil sellers *cough*)would abuse a quest/mechanism like the Moat Carp-San'Doria quest and inflate the economy like a balloon.

But yes, something needs to be done about it.

The darkmater removal from gathering nodes is a Gil Sink that took things a little to far.

I wonder if Someone ask the question in the next live letter "How much gil was spent on teleports and repairs since early access Vs. How much gil was brought into the game via NPC/Quests?" would they answer

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Originally Posted by RoosterAgathos

The darkmater removal from gathering nodes is a Gil Sink that took things a little to far.

I wonder if Someone ask the question in the next live letter "How much gil was spent on teleports and repairs since early access Vs. How much gil was brought into the game via NPC/Quests?" would they answer

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That would only provide relevant data a few months down the road when most people are at endgame.

Besides, as was pointed out earlier, simply making Dark Matter farmable again simply means that people with time to make multiple level 50 crafts can repair their gear for "free", while everyone else is still screwed. Crafters need to be able to repair the gear of other players as well to truly begin to smoothe things over.

Or those of you complaining about making gil can actually put some effort into making gil. Certain crafts have leve quests that you can use to level X craft right in town and turn leves in for gil. Combine that with DOL and *gasp* you can make gil. I just made 30k this am crafting. Have another 100 in the hopper when all is said and done.

I will admit there is on a personal level little gold generation.

however crafting still gets good amounts of money, so you can still make plenty of money off other players.
(which admittedly is not gold generation but gold transfer)

I doubt its going to be a long term issue, they just are not letting the Gil economy go out of control. the fact you individually cant make too much adventuring means the average Gil has more value, Right now the markets are a little crazy but they will calm down, and an items cost is based on supply and demand, with of course consideration into what people can actually pay. This just makes the Repair penalty mean something, at least that is all it is for me.

For a lot of players, the issue isnt "How do I become RICH!!!", its how do I, at endgame, with good gear, make enough to cover my repair bills, so that I can run dungeons and 8 mans with my friends and FC, WITHOUT having to "farm".

A lot of people are saying "go do this, farm that, sell this, and get rich." Well, I am a grad student, I have maybe 4-5 hours in the evening to play. Of those, 3-4 hours, 3-4 nights a week, will soon be spent running some of the harder endgame content with my FC. I have neither the time, nor the interest, to spend my remaining hour leveling X profession and farming Y material so I can make enough cash to cover my repair bills at the end of the night... That sounds like a job... This is first and foremost a game, and as a player, playing a game, I should not be forced to farm for cash in order to break even after doing a dungeon.

In an ideal world, a player should be able to do a dungeon, with 1-2 wipes, and after repairing, come out with "slightly" more gil than they had. This is very easily achieved by making all mobs in dungeons simply drop gil for every player in the group. A little less for trash, a little more for bosses.
No RNG component, no farming. A player should be able to do a dungeon in tier appropriate gear and come out ahead financially.
Hell, a player should be able to do a dungeon that they are overgeared for, and STILL come out ahead financially... That is a sustainable way of playing for combat classes. If such a system does not exist, and you end up forcing people at endgame to farm gil in their free time, then soon enough everyone but the hardcore gamers, the market gurus, and the "I have all the time in the world" gil farmers... will leave.

Gil isn't that hard to come by if you know ways to go about getting it. For example:

There's a repeatable levequest for Alchemists that's available in Ul'Dah at either level 35 or level 40, I can't quite remember which, requesting 5 Smelling Salts be made and delivered to a guy down the street. When you turn them in to the client, he'll ask if you want to fill out another order two more times. Now, a single level gives ~333 gil for NQ items, so completing it three times over nets you ~1000gil. Here's the thing: turning in HQ Smelling Salts for all three orders nets you ~3000 gil. Multiply that by the number of level allowances a day--which is six--and you're making ~18000gil a day! I don't think I need to do the math for a week's worth of filling out this level (hint: it's over 100,000gil). Even if you don't use HQ items, you'll still make ~6000gil a day, ~42000gil a week off of this.And the mats--at least on my server--are fairly cheap, so you'll see pretty good returns regardless of HQ or NQ turn-ins.

The process of making all the HQ Smelling Salts, followed by turning them in, should only take an hour to an hour-and-a-half at most. So there are ways to make money, you just need to look harder, and maybe level a Crafting class.

I'm just amazed at how they managed to overlook this severe issue of gil generation and dungeon speed runs. Like, this seems like MMORPG 101?

I really wish people would pull out a calculator and do some math before posting here. The fact that some responses are from people who still don't read makes me pity our society. I will note ahead of time that numbers are rough and not exact due to variabilities in playstyle. I will give a rough number to give an idea of costs and earnings.

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Originally Posted by busta

OP and everyone who agrees with him don't understand basic economics. The economy in the game is fine. Making money is super easy if you actually put a tiny bit of effort into it. Money is not being drained out faster than than it's being brought in. SE has the means to see the total amount of gil being fluctuated through each server. If it was a major issue, it would already be addressed. Even if that were the case, there wouldn't be any kind of disastrous effect. It would just change how people play the game. Quit whining about how you're not a millionaire from spamming leves and dungeons. Learn to use the marketplace and get on a land/hand class.

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1. Don't post without reading again. You've just humiliated yourself and shown how few braincells are functioning. Since there are many who still haven't grasped the concept, I'm going to put the message in caps, and in nice big bold letters.

MARKETPLACE DOES NOT GENERATE GIL. IT ONLY HELPS PERSONAL WEALTH WHILE DEPLETING THE ECONOMY GIL.

2. Fun Fact time for those that failed high school senior year economics class.

a. The GENERATION of gil is defined in the game as any amount of gil brought into the economy. It DOES NOT come from any other player through the marketboard.

b. the marketboard is a means to increase PERSONAL WEALTH ONLY. This drains money from the economy due to a 5-10% tax on AH items. That tax money is pretty much burned and will never be seen again.

c. A does not equal B

3. Math time also for those that failed High school economics

a. Levels 1-49: The first 49 levels you have the choice of picking up alagan pieces from quests. Anyone who is in this category is ignorant (not by their own choosing) because they have a constant cash flow. (They are ignorant by their own choosing if they read facts and do not learn though). From these levels, one can safely earn a nestegg of between 200k-300k gil. However, this money from these 49 levels is a one time deal. You cannot go back and do it again to re-earn this nestegg.

b. Level 50: Repairs: Anyone who fits into the above category (in terms of your main. Alts and Legacy do not pertain to A and SHOULD understand B) has not experienced the repair bills of lvl 50s with high level gear. 1-49 tends to have a repair bill of 500-2000 (2000 being those with the first pieces of AF armor and have completely broken gear, but are still making quest gil so they still pertain). Lvl 50 gear (we'll use DL) can reach between 5-8k for a repair bill. Math time.

We'll assume that there are 200 Lvl 50s with full DL gear that are on the low end and have a 5k repair bill. That is 1mil gil gone in the blink of an eye. That's assuming that there is only 200 out of maybe 200k players in need of repair with that gear at the low end of the repair spectrum. Every time there are this many people in need of repairs at that stage in the game destroys 1mil gil. Battleclasses are expensive.

b2: Relic Weapon Quest: This costs money too. Assuming that one focused on their battle class and not every single crafting and gathering class, this quest can be pretty expensive. With the DoH and DoL, you could be looking at 50-100k overall. That is if you got your own materials, crafted everything, had perfect groups for all instance requirements, and farmed your 900 Myth tomes without much trouble.

If your battleclass focused, you're looking more at 200k gil (maybe 150k right now due to item deflation). That's on top of your 2-8k repair bills from dungeoning which is not an option if you plan on succeeding in your dungeons with the decent gear youll need.

c. Crafting costs: Yes, leveling up a craft costs gil. No class leveling is free. If you level up 1 DoH: We'll say that at the end you've spent 10k gil. This is from repairs, material costs, and the cost of time used to level up just 1 craft class.

d. Gathering costs: These cost gil too. We'll be nice and put 5-10k in costs assuming the classes are played correctly.

Summary: For costs, we'll assume for an individual who leveled one battle class, they had a perfect run to get their DL gear, their relic, and only repaired 5 times (their DL gear) at 50 at that time with a repair bill each time of 5000. That's 225,000 gil drained on an individual basis. If they leveled 1 crafter and 1 gatherer after, that's 240,000 gil individually. If 200 people deal with this, that's 48,000,000 gil gone forever for every 200 people that we need to counter.

long post is long, will do 4. Earnings, on next post.

Notes: Dark Matter was not added because people would play it off as a means to help repairs. However, at level 50, G5DM costs 350gil a piece. 1 piece repairs 1 piece of armor. That’s 4200 gil for a fully geared player. That cuts down on potential profit. If you went the seals route, Your looking at time costs and weapon repairs costs (assuming to FATEd naked) to get 15000 seals in order to afford to have your 1 crafter repair the gear for your 50s Endgame class.

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Originally Posted by harkinate

That would only provide relevant data a few months down the road when most people are at endgame.

Besides, as was pointed out earlier, simply making Dark Matter farmable again simply means that people with time to make multiple level 50 crafts can repair their gear for "free", while everyone else is still screwed. Crafters need to be able to repair the gear of other players as well to truly begin to smoothe things over.

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I see your first point. I admit my myopic view being a legacy player on a legacy server. (i assume most people are on endgame)

I however disagree with earlier pointed out and your statement that it would only benefit gatherers who can repair their own gear. g5 DM sold well in 1.0. I didn't need to haul 4 stacks around with me. I sold off what I didnt intend on using myself.

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Originally Posted by Iskander

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Looking forward to earnings - hoping to see a good estimate on how much gil repeatable fates/leves are bringing (or COULD be bringing) into the economy every minute by the 1000's of people doing them. Just because gil generation isn't happening to you personally, the endgame player, doesn't mean its not happening. If gil generated goes to Player A and Player B needs to get gil for repairs by selling something to Player A that is perfectly valid. It will be interesting if all those FATEs/Leves continue to bring in gil long term or what indication (proof) there is that generation will somehow come to a stop. Its just a theory at this point.

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Originally Posted by Anomeric

I'm just amazed at how they managed to overlook this severe issue of gil generation and dungeon speed runs. Like, this seems like MMORPG 101?

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Or, as I said, perhaps, having all the data they need about gil getting in and out of the system, they intentionally made it this way? Like, I dunno, to reduce the overall gil circulating in the system, especially in legacy servers where most of the people will be doing more things that drains the gil?

And as I said, if you're not keen on having your gil down the sink (since most if not the only complaint is coming from repairs - and teleport to some extent), why not take out your old lv30 equips and doing the relevant dungeons and/or FATEs while waiting for them to implement other gil generating activities (they have already said stuff regarding dailies)? Those are not less content than any other.

Just say "Give me more gil" these walls of text are annoying when after reading them it always ends with give me more gil.
Listen the game generates more gil, and the market place is a good way to make money. highlighting 5% net loss as the means for why the marketplace doesn't help the economy is completely wrong. goods and services help the economy, with the Gil being taken out not equivalent to the gil being pumped in we see a net gain in gill, the market place functions fine.

the small gold sink just helps gil not just inflate. Currency generation and Economy work together but how much value the currency has determine how much is needed for goods. so how easy it is to get currency just means a higher or lower price tag on a Good or Service. what helps an economy is a need for goods and services. the currency is just the universal way of obtaining what you want.

Gil generation does not == good/bad economy, Supply, and Demand == economy, Currency == why a guy who does nothing to help a weaver can get a hat from said weaver. its how we get Goods and Services for a person who does not benefit the individual selling.

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Originally Posted by Adohleas

As of right now, crafting will help your gil from running dry. Now you may say that everyone can only earn a limited amount of gil before it runs dry. Well lets now look at what everyone is ignoring or failing to post in this thread, the gil sellers. They are spamming 1-50 quest over and over.

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Er, this is only a hunch, but my guess is that gil sellers mainly get their gil from hacking accounts (including the accounts of their hapless customers) not from questing. Pretty hard to bot the main quest lines.

At whiners, sorry to disappoint you, but the economy is perfectly fine. if you are having trouble making money, then start learning the market and start grinding resources for crafting and gathering.
Once you get a knack for it, you will find it much more rewarding then having it spoonfed to you.

Those 1000s wont be hitting level cap and getting their own massive repair bills then I guess. How nice that some people stop leveling just to farm early game gil so the high level people can sell them stuff :)

And of course there is infinite flow of new players coming to XIV, in a year there will be 10 million people per server online.