We need an AH

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

It did.

Again. the only thing that makes a market system into an Auction House is some sort of variable bidding where the price listed isn't always the price paid or received. IE Blind or Timed Bidding.

All Convenience changes that an AH have beyond those two points can be implemented into the Market Ward. You don't need an AH for them.

The only reason you would implement an AH is if you were going to introduce the Variable Bidding.

Which as of yet, I've yet to see anyone say that the reason they want an AH is because of Variable Bidding.

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Interesting, if that's the case i don't see why everyone is so up in arms over this. I agree that familiarity is nice and i am used to AH's but the MW works nearly the same, just took some refining and getting used to.

the opinions of that dude are well thought out, but are majorly effected by lack of search function, which MW now has. Being able to get the item fast is relative, you think having to travel for 40 seconds is too long, but "fast" in game terms is relative, its honestly about as fast as if you had to go to an npc to buy an item in the same town. Definately shorter than going from my moghouse to the crafting guilds in FFXI at store opening to try to beat the rush.

Its not the level of convienence you would like for that feature, that i get, but i really dont think it improves the game overall to have instant AH versus having a well organized and searchable bazzar.

I do think they could add to Market wards though, breathe more life into them, they feel a bit claustrophobic. Today i was crafting in one ward, which is generally cool because most of the stuff you need ends up in one ward, but its not visually the type of place you d want to hang out in.

Too put it simply, market wards as a system has way more potential for cool stuff to expand on than an AH would, if the opportunity cost for that is 40 seconds, then im fine with that. However setting up some sort of delivery system with a tax, or some type of condition, wouldnt be a horrible idea.

I still dont believe in a price history though, even though i guess they could implement some sort of appraisal of items which could figure in its rough value over the past few months of sales

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Originally Posted by Akumu

Umm no it wasn't meant to be witty, funny, sarcastic, or anything else but serious. Every last post I made where I added a bit of something besides seriousness I always add lol somewhere. I forgot though my main man Vack is my homie down the street who I chill with all day so he knows in perfect detail what I mean when I write/speak...lol seriously?

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What? Seriously, stop trying to be funny. It just comes across as clunky and stupid.

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Originally Posted by Akumu

There are people complaining about a few steps making unnecessary complaints which shouldn't be made in the first place no matter which way you or anyone else against this system wants to cut it. Period.

lol See what I did there? It's easy to come up with opinions.

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The only thing I see here is yet another attempt at being witty again that has failed. Do YOU see what I did there? I suggest you stop.

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Originally Posted by Akumu

I wonder how many people that cry for immersion are against this system? Just a thought

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I wonder how many people... wait, didn't you say a few post back you'd stop responding to me?

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Originally Posted by Vackashken

What? Seriously, stop trying to be funny. It just comes across as clunky and stupid.

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Who cares what you think Vack? Should I care? Should I stop typing how I want and stating my opinions because some guy/girl on the internet said i'm stupid?

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The only thing I see here is yet another attempt at being witty again that has failed. Do YOU see what I did there? I suggest you stop.

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You suggest I stop why? What's going to happen if I keep typing? You seem to be the only person to date that seriously has a problem with something I wrote based off of my own opinion.

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I wonder how many people... wait, didn't you say a few post back you'd stop responding to me?

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What happened my homie Vack? I thought you knew what I wrote in perfect detail of its meaning? I guess you didn't realize that was a side thought not for you huh? Maybe we should go play some basketball and catch up for old times sake.

Also, yes I did say I would stop responding but sometimes I can't help myself when ignorance runs wild over my opinions.

P.S. I don't add sarcastic remarks to make people I don't know laugh at their computer screen. I do it because I personally laugh at ignorance which is why I write lol when I in fact...laugh out loud or chuckle.

OP is a clown. Lots of claims and no explanation. "The AH is simply faster!" Uhhh why? Cuz you say so? In the end Cairdeas owns you and your little thread.

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Who cares what you think Vack? Should I care? Should I stop typing how I want and stating my opinions because some guy/girl on the internet said i'm stupid?

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Apparently you care because you can't help but keep responding well after you said you weren't going to anymore. The irony is so delectable I can only wash it down with a glass of your stupid remarks. Serve another up, please.

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You suggest I stop why? What's going to happen if I keep typing? You seem to be the only person to date that seriously has a problem with something I wrote based off of my own opinion.

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Whats going to happen? Nothing. I just figured I'd try and help you out a bit by pointing out your attempts at being clever are portraying the exact opposite. As for having a problem I don't have any. Keep going if you like,

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What happened my homie Vack? I thought you knew what I wrote in perfect detail of its meaning? I guess you didn't realize that was a side thought not for you huh? Maybe we should go play some basketball and catch up for old times sake.

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Please stop superimposing me into your stories of long lost amigos or whatever bizarre fairytale you're spinning.

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Also, yes I did say I would stop responding but sometimes I can't help myself when ignorance runs wild over my opinions.

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Ignorance? What exactly am I ignorant of?

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P.S. I don't add sarcastic remarks to make people I don't know laugh at their computer screen. I do it because I personally laugh at ignorance which is why I write lol when I in fact...laugh out loud or chuckle.

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I have no interest in making people laugh. Perhaps at some point you could start making sense and this would go smoother.

Vackashken, please read over Caideas' posts, and answer the question; what exactly is it about the AH is so potentially attractive over having a MW? And no, 'faster' is not an answer, 'more convenient' is also not an answer as those can be addressed towards the MW. If you are purposely ignoring those posts which nail down this whole argument, then there is no point in continuing to flame and be-riddle others, is there?

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Ignorance? What exactly am I ignorant of?

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Seriously? Do you remember how this back and forth trash started?

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I have no interest in making people laugh. Perhaps at some point you could start making sense and this would go smoother.

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Let's take our own advice shall we? You know practice what you preach? Your responses to my personal opinion did not make much sense for someone of intelligence to actually take upon themselves to debate.


I have no desire to continue this irrelevant discussion anymore. Clearly you have the need to continue complaining about my personal opinion.

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Vackashken, please read over Caideas' posts, and answer the question; what exactly is it about the AH is so potentially attractive over having a MW? And no, 'faster' is not an answer, 'more convenient' is also not an answer as those can be addressed towards the MW. If you are purposely ignoring those posts which nail down this whole argument, then there is no point in continuing to flame and be-riddle others, is there?

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I'm sorry what? The argument is nailed down because someone disagrees that it is or isn't faster?

The unequivocal fact, in the sense of time, is AH are faster and more convenient. People can try and splice this any way they want but me coming up to a window, doing a search and that item sliding into my inventory will always be faster then doing a search, teleporting to wherever the item is and then having to teleport out. I don't have to drone on about it because its just that simple. I don't, like I would imagine so many others, want to wade through a choked room full of standing loot bags to get what I want.

Aside from the absurdity above, its yet another gimlet-eyed example of SE not learn anything about what works and what doesn't in their own game, never mind any other working titles. Yet again the game shines with their own unintended consequences in the form of not having linked auction houses, the player populace is once again pigeonholed into Ul Dah. If you want to buy anything - where do you have to go for the most part? Thats right, Ul Dah causing their other cities and areas to become that much more defunct.

The unintended consequence from the debacle that is the Market Wards still resonates to this day. Sorry, whatever ornamental words people come up with to try and defend this terrible system cannot change it. Well, perhaps in your rose-tinted perception but not in the inferior mechanics of it all.

As for not responding to this mess with anything other then jest, what can I say? The argument of the comparison is so simplistic it's like people are trying to debate something equally as thought provoking as "Do we really need air to breath?" or "do we need food to live!?"

Give me a break.

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Originally Posted by Vackashken

I'm sorry what? The argument is nailed down because someone disagrees that it is or isn't faster?

The unequivocal fact, in the sense of time, is AH are faster and more convenient. People can try and splice this any way they want but me coming up to a window, doing a search and that item sliding into my inventory will always be faster then doing a search, teleporting to wherever the item is and then having to teleport out. I don't have to drone on about it because its just that simple. I don't, like I would imagine so many others, don't want to wade through a choked room full of standing loot bags to get what I want.

Aside from the absurdity above, its yet another gimlet-eyed example of SE not learn anything about what works and what doesn't in their own game, never mind any other working titles. Yet again the game shines with their own unintended consequences in the form of not having linked auction houses, the player populace is once again pigeonholed into Ul Dah. If you want to buy anything - where do you have to go for the most part? Thats right, Ul Dah causing their other cities and areas to become that much more defunct.

The unintended consequence from the debacle that is the Market Wards still resonates to this day. Sorry, whatever ornamental words people come up with to try and defend this terrible system cannot change it. Well, perhaps in your rose-tinted perception but not in the inferior mechanics of it all.

As for not responding to this mess with anything other then jest, what can I say? The argument of the comparison is so simplistic it's like people are trying to debate something equally as thought provoking as "Do we really need air to breath?" or "do we need food to live!?"

Give me a break.

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Please re-read all the stuff you haven't read.

1. Auction House is only an Auction House if it has Blind or Timed Bidding.
2. All Time based Conveniences that the Market Wards lack that "Auction Houses" have can be implemented into the Market Wards without ever mentioning or using an Auction or Auction House.
3. One of the Benefits of an Market Ward over an Auction House is Impulse Buying. Most people do not impulse buy on Auction Houses, they find what they want and leave. With the ward system you can potentially introduce characters to new items they didn't know about or knew about and would want but never considered buying at the time. Or sell things in sets so that when a person searches for one part of the set they can find and buy the other parts directly from you. This is not something you can do with an AH. Each item has to be searched for individually.

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1. Auction House is only an Auction House if it has Blind or Timed Bidding.

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We all know what kind of AH we're talking about.

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

2. All Time based Conveniences that the Market Wards lack that "Auction Houses" have can be implemented into the Market Wards without ever mentioning or using an Auction or Auction House.

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Sure - it wants to do that fine. However, that seems like an astronomical waste of space that could be used for a hell of a lot more useful things then mules standing around like a herd of retarded cattle.

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

3. One of the Benefits of an Market Ward over an Auction House is Impulse Buying. Most people do not impulse buy on Auction Houses, they find what they want and leave. With the ward system you can potentially introduce characters to new items they didn't know about or knew about and would want but never considered buying at the time. Or sell things in sets so that when a person searches for one part of the set they can find and buy the other parts directly from you. This is not something you can do with an AH. Each item has to be searched for individually.

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That benefit is so small it's irrelevant. New items people will know about from the internet and seek out when they are searched for through a search function. I don't know about you but I have never looked at another mule that didn't have a star above his head when forced to go into the cattle pin.

People still over glorifying the AH system I see. MW and AH are basically the same system, MW lacks literally only 2 features given XIV's current design, 1 if you think about it and that's buying from the search.

Both systems have unnecessary steps
Both systems requires going to a centralized place
Both systems are basically the same.

It's ONLY because other MMOs have an AH that people want one just like other MMOs have jump people want it here. If no MMOs had jump or an AH I can guarantee no one would be glorifying them.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

People still over glorifying the AH system I see. MW and AH are basically the same system, MW lacks literally only 2 features given XIV's current design, 1 if you think about it and that's buying from the search.

Both systems have unnecessary steps
Both systems requires going to a centralized place
Both systems are basically the same.

It's ONLY because other MMOs have an AH that people want one just like other MMOs have jump people want it here. If no MMOs had jump or an AH I can guarantee no one would be glorifying them.

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"man, I sure do like my DSL better then dial up"

"YOURE GLORIFYING IT!"

Thats how I read that :)

I disagree I really like the market wards system. IF they add an AH it would only ruin what we already have good going.

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Originally Posted by Vackashken

"man, I sure do like my DSL better then dial up"

"YOURE GLORIFYING IT!"

Thats how I read that :)

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Yeah, since that's saying the AH system is better, yet all it is is a common system used among MMOs. MW system are basically one in the same.

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Originally Posted by Vackashken

We all know what kind of AH we're talking about.

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My point was that I have yet to see any one say the reason they WANT an auction house is because they want Auctions. Instead they complain of Time and Convenience.

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My point was that I have yet to see any one say the reason they WANT an auction house is because they want Auctions. Instead they complain of Time and Convenience.

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Yep, when people say "GIMME AH!" They definitely don't mean a real one like say FFIX.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Yep, when people say "GIMME AH!" They definitely don't mean a real one like say FFIX.

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Which is why I ask them to explain what features from the Auction House they are missing. They never once mention Blind or Timed Bidding. they mention Time and Convenience items.

They also refuse to make suggestions about how the Market Wards could be improved to remedy the issues they have.

Unlike the people who like the Market Wards who continue to strive to accommodate people who claim they want an auction house.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...nd-Convenience.

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

My point was that I have yet to see any one say the reason they WANT an auction house is because they want Auctions. Instead they complain of Time and Convenience.

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Seriously?! So what? I don't want an e-bay-XIV where I have to wait tens of minutes to make sure I can buy the item I want.

I want to play the GAME dammit!

Yes, YES it's about time and convenience and the market wards don't provide neither! I hate it so much that even if they fixed it to be like a real AH I'd still hate it because of just the name reminds me of the horrible mess it has been. I hate everything about it. The zoning, loading, zombie seller, the hassle, the guesswork pricing and the fact that it's so retarded.

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Seriously?! So what? I don't want an e-bay-XIV where I have to wait tens of minutes to make sure I can buy the item I want.

I want to play the GAME dammit!

Yes, YES it's about time and convenience and the market wards don't provide neither! I hate it so much that even if they fixed it to be like a real AH I'd still hate it because of just the name reminds me of the horrible mess it has been. I hate everything about it. The zoning, loading, zombie seller, the hassle, the guesswork pricing and the fact that it's so retarded.

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I'm sorry you can't be helped then. :/

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...nd-Convenience. fixes everything people complain about the MW. Auctions are arbitrary and time consuming so an Auction house would be just as bad as the MW is now.

I'm playing the game with the MW system, I don't need an AH to "play the game", but I've played MMOs with all types of market systems so I know that it isn't an absolutely necessity, especially considering no one wants the bidding type of AH, they basically want a glorified NPC shop that sells everything in the game.

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They also refuse to make suggestions about how the Market Wards could be improved to remedy the issues they have.

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Maybe because "they" don't want it remedied but scraped completely?

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Originally Posted by Elexia

they basically want a glorified NPC shop that sells everything in the game.

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Oh, is that what "they" want. Lol, OK

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I'm sorry you can't be helped then. :/

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...nd-Convenience. fixes everything people complain about the MW. Auctions are arbitrary and time consuming so an Auction house would be just as bad as the MW is now.

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Do us all a favor and never ever work in UI design:

1. Whatever you're saying ignores the fact that zoning to the wards is one of the biggest problems in the wards. (basically that they exist)

2.This actually a handy feature to have and is present in most AHs in MMOs

3.Yay not needed pop up windows! No, just no.

4. Stuff needs to be in the AH clean and simple I've got enough to worry about in my own inventory to worry about the status and location of my retainers is too much and counter productive to your whole idea's title. Also see #1.

5. See above.

6. A horrible idea an AH can gather people at certain locations and gives the world the feeling that it's alive. Like Jeuno. Imagine if nobody went to Jeuno to use an AH. *tumbleweed*

Why cling to the market wards? What is so great about having to teleporting around and navigate countless menus over and over again. And I like my prices to be competitive so having to look up the item (menus and their lag) run back to my retainer and put a price on it (menus and lag) and run back and forth and do that until everything I want to sell is in my bazaar...

OR, type what you want in, click BUY, receive in mail. And you can buy multiple things without even leaving the AH window! Buy this buy that, run and pick it all up. HAPPY HAPPY JOY JOY. Same for selling. Is this a true Auction House? Who gives a crap what the actual definition of an Auction House is? In a lot of MMOs an Auction House is just a place to buy and sell things among other players CONVENIENTLY. Whether they should be called that or not is another story.

Current system is annoying. The Market Wards are wrong. And bad. There should be a new, stronger word for them. Like badwrong, or badong. Yes, they are badong. From this moment, I will stand for the opposite of Market Wards: gnodab.

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Why cling to the market wards? What is so great about having to teleporting around and navigate countless menus over and over again.

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Certain AH systems you have to navigate menus over and over and over, especially as you continue to level up more and more. Hell you even have to expand and collapse categories over and over unless the particular system saves your settings, which a lot of times they do not.

You even have to know item IDs for searching on some as some AH's search system goes by ID rather than actual name. So in reality, MW only lacks so few things when compared to an AH because both systems get the job done.

Though maybe I'm imagining everyone wearing weapon and armor outside of the starter class gear.

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Originally Posted by Seif

Do us all a favor and never ever work in UI design:

1. Whatever you're saying ignores the fact that zoning to the wards is one of the biggest problems in the wards. (basically that they exist)

2.This actually a handy feature to have and is present in most AHs in MMOs

3.Yay not needed pop up windows! No, just no.

4. Stuff needs to be in the AH clean and simple I've got enough to worry about in my own inventory to worry about the status and location of my retainers is too much and counter productive to your whole idea's title. Also see #1.

5. See above.

6. A horrible idea an AH can gather people at certain locations and gives the world the feeling that it's alive. Like Jeuno. Imagine if nobody went to Jeuno to use an AH. *tumbleweed*

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Again. I made suggestions you just shoot them down and do not supply your own. Which is a problem with this argument. People for the Wards are trying to make them better. People against them just scream "AH NOW"

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Again. I made suggestions you just shoot them down and do not supply your own. Which is a problem with this argument. People for the Wards are trying to make them better. People against them just scream "AH NOW"

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What is it about "AH NOW!" that you don't get? People want an AH that is the suggestion there's zero reason to "brainstorm" the issue.

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Originally Posted by Seif

What is it about "AH NOW!" that you don't get? People want an AH that is the suggestion there's zero reason to "brainstorm" the issue.

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No one said why. No one explains what specific AH system they want. No one is considering the fact it will DISTRACT FROM WORK INSTEAD OF JUST WORKING ON THE ALREADY EXISTING SYSTEM.

We don't need an AH, besides the only reason people want one is because other MMOs use it, yet people seem to dislike anyone wanting this game to be like say FFXI or any past FF games.

This is why the game is best left to the developers to make.

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Originally Posted by Seif

What is it about "AH NOW!" that you don't get? People want an AH that is the suggestion there's zero reason to "brainstorm" the issue.

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Because and I'll use your own words. It makes you look retarded and unable to compromise so your opinion shouldn't matter.

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If even one person likes the MW system even as is, it does kind of throw out the argument that something is better for everyone. Since it's like saying Cadillac are the most efficient cars so everyone should choose them over Honda despite the fact someone may personally like a Honda better.

It all comes down to personal taste and opinions in the end.

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I'm pretty sure the difference there most the time is the price tag that comes with a cadillac. If Cadillac is the more efficient car, and considering Hondas are nothing to be going head over heels over, if both cars had the same price tag about 99% of the people would go with the Cadillac. Doesn't matter anyway, I've lately taken a liking to the Wards but I just wanna know what they have planned for them when there's an influx of player because as it is now they're not very well designed. They also need to make the search system much better than it is.

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Certain AH systems you have to navigate menus over and over and over, especially as you continue to level up more and more. Hell you even have to expand and collapse categories over and over unless the particular system saves your settings, which a lot of times they do not.

You even have to know item IDs for searching on some as some AH's search system goes by ID rather than actual name. So in reality, MW only lacks so few things when compared to an AH because both systems get the job done.

Though maybe I'm imagining everyone wearing weapon and armor outside of the starter class gear.

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lolwut
Yes, the AH doesn't magically know everything you want to buy and load a list for you, so you do have to find it. But if you take WoW, as an example (the most universally familiar one for the sake of the argument) you navigate menus or search for a specific item. Correct. You buy an item. You search for another and buy some more. Without having to leave that one window. How in the world is that comparable to searching laggy menus, finding your item, and then having to teleport to the retainer, buy the one item and then run back to the Search Counter (a wall) and do that all over again?

And if I want to sell a bunch of stuff and keep my prices competitive? Why would I want to search one item (again, through those horrible menus) and then run back to my retainer to set the price, and then run back to the magic wall and go through all the menus again for prices on my next item? And every time I interact with my retainer, he's like, "okay, so do you still want me to stay here or should I go or what?"

I should specify that I understand that if SE implemented an AH it would probably be just as laggy as the rest of the UI but less opening and closing windows would be preferential in the situation of a game that was so intelligently designed to have a server side UI that requires communication with the server for every tiny little thing before it loads the next screen.

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What is it about "AH NOW!" that you don't get? People want an AH that is the suggestion there's zero reason to "brainstorm" the issue.

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If you've read this thread then you know that about 50% of us DON'T want an AH. I agree with pretty much everything Cairdeas has said on the matter. Personally, I hope they scrap the AH idea completely after they finish whatever "looking into" entails on the roadmap. With the current system, it would simply be unnecessary and redundant.

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You don't seem to get the fact that because there are subjective reasons for liking the MWs as is, you cannot make the claim that it is objectively better. Objectively better means that your idea is better in all ways for everyone... which it is not.

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Well neither are the wards really so this point is moot...but I'm not surprised because most people will blindly defend something they like without looking at the others merits (this includes me as we're all guilty of it, its just starting to get annoying watching the merry go round).

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If you've read this thread then you know that about 50% of us DON'T want an AH. I agree with pretty much everything Cairdeas has said on the matter. Personally, I hope they scrap the AH idea completely after they finish whatever "looking into" entails on the roadmap. With the current system, it would simply be unnecessary and redundant.

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I shall tip the scales for you!, put me in the "don't want an ah" crowd! The market wards, I find are just peachy. The retainers may need a little organizing, but its quite usable (and improvable)as it is!

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If you've read this thread then you know that about 50% of us DON'T want an AH. I agree with pretty much everything Cairdeas has said on the matter. Personally, I hope they scrap the AH idea completely after they finish whatever "looking into" entails on the roadmap. With the current system, it would simply be unnecessary and redundant.

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LOl at the arbitrary number. If it was only "50%" they wouldnt be thinking about implementing it.

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LOl at the arbitrary number. If it was only "50%" they wouldnt be thinking about implementing it.

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Yet Yoshida already explained poll results are only a consideration and not deciding factor, AH want was actually far less of a want than other important things.

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Yet Yoshida already explained poll results are only a consideration and not deciding factor, AH want was actually far less of a want than other important things.

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Uh huh, lol.

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WoW
Go to Auction House.
Filter through items you want. See that everything in your level is posted for prices that are way above your characters possible gold at your level.
Find one that is decent. Bid on it.
Wait 2 days. Lose Bid.
Look again
Find new item. Bid.
wait 4 hours. Win Bid.
Wait hour for item to deliver to mail box.
Find mailbox to pick it up.


Auctions Fail. The only difference between the Marketward and an Auction house is the marketward has no Auction. Blind or Timed.

Now for WoW they do have a buy it now but guess what.

Search for item
Buy It Now
Go to Mailbox
Pick up Item

YOU STILL HAVE TO GO PICK UP THE ITEM.

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Hey,

So Ill start this off by saying that I did not get into FF11 back in the day, and that I have not had a huge amount of dealings with the current FF14 retainer system. I have purchased and sold items, but never really felt engaged enough to try and play the market and make money like I do in other games.

I did play wow for quite some time though, so I wanted to comment on your post. First of all, in all my dealings I noticed that players rarely used the bid feature. Its nice to have, yes, but most of your purchases on that game are done through the buyout option. This allows an instant purchase, and after all your shopping is done you can go ahead and stop by your mailbox to pick up your items.

In your example you seem to try and liken the amount of steps needed with the retainer system to the amount of steps needed with wows auction system. From what I have seen though, the retainer system is a bit more clunky than the AH found in wow.

My experience went like this in wow.

Search AH for items by entering in the name of the item I want.
Buying out the items I want. Again, most players will use the buyout option instead of the bid option, so there is no wait.
Visit mailbox to take items.

With FF14 my experience is a bit similar, but much slower.

Search wards for desired item.
Enter ward and pick through the many retainers in the different wards to find the items you want at the lowest price.
Return to search counter to repeat the process for any other types of items you want.

Now, Ill agree that the market system is fine. It is just more of a hassle to use, especially when the retainers decide to load up bit by bit in the overcrowded wards in Uld'ah. That may be a computer setting or weakness on my end, but it is still something that affects others as well im sure.

Could it be improved? Sure! Honestly, since they already have a search feature I dont know why they dont just scrap the need to go to the wards and implement a delivery system. Purchase items from the search screen, and have them delivered to your mog house or mailbox or whatever they want to use. I dont mean for this to turn into a suggestion post though, just wanted to comment on what you said.

Overall I think its unfair though to say that wow's AH system is the same as FF14's retainer system, because its not. Its not even a personal opinion, the AH / mail system is much easier / less clunky than the current retainer system.

Anyhow, hope this post pulls itself together >.> in a bit of a rush, so im sorry if my thoughts seem jumbled. I just wanted to comment on that little bit! Hope to hear yalls thoughts on this point of view!

Thanks!

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

No we do not.

Current Marketward Transaction

Enter wards
Search for Item
Find Seller
Go to ward
Pick up Item

The quickest you can do it is approximately 30 seconds. The longest I've ever searched for a specific item is less then 2 minutes.


FFXI > Blind Auction
Run to AH
Search through item lists for item you want
Find item you want (100 Listed)
Check Item History
Bid for item 10% lower then item history:
wait 5 seconds
Fail
Bid for Item 5% lower then item history:
wait 5 seconds
Fail
Bid for item same as last item History:
wait 5 seconds
fail
Re-check Item History, Recent item has been sold since last checked. 15% more then one before it.
Bid for item same price as new last one sold :
wait 5 seconds
Fail
Bid for item 5% more then last one sold:
wait 5 seconds
Success, Item delivered to inventory.


WoW
Go to Auction House.
Filter through items you want. See that everything in your level is posted for prices that are way above your characters possible gold at your level.
Find one that is decent. Bid on it.
Wait 2 days. Lose Bid.
Look again
Find new item. Bid.
wait 4 hours. Win Bid.
Wait hour for item to deliver to mail box.
Find mailbox to pick it up.


Auctions Fail. The only difference between the Marketward and an Auction house is the marketward has no Auction. Blind or Timed.

Now for WoW they do have a buy it now but guess what.

Search for item
Buy It Now
Go to Mailbox
Pick up Item

YOU STILL HAVE TO GO PICK UP THE ITEM.

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Not true....


Current Marketward Transaction

Search for Item
Find Seller
Enter wards
=== Loading! (do not forget this step) ===
Find NPC
=== Running across the ward if you start in the bad spot ===
Pick up Item (via the friggin slow UI)


AH

Search for Item
Buy It
Grab it from Mailbox

Since after reading this lot of stuff I didn't find a good reason that contrasts my last post, I'll keep in my mind that having an AH is a dead argument =)