Bullying on FFXIV

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Originally Posted by Denmo

A GM has to investigate - there's no way they can just toss someone in jail just because a player said so. A bad reputation does have an effect on jerks, even though they may not see it right away.

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You misunderstand my point. I am not asking for people to get banned for no reason.

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Originally Posted by Ingolf

TLDR: The bullied are normally instigating shit.

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This is not the case. A lot of people came to me when bullied when I ran a larger LS and I can say that my personal experience says otherwise. Yes, there are those who incite drama and point fingers but that does not discredit the legitimate problem of online harassment.

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Originally Posted by Searious

Yes it does. If you develop a thicker skin these people won't be able to bother you. It will help in other areas of you life as well. If some silly kids in online are enough to cause you emotional stress I can't imagine what kind of effect something more serious might have on you.


Not sure how it does but I wish you the best of luck. Nothing bad bad can come from growing thicker skin.

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Another person with a good point ^^. Nothing bad can come from growing a thicker skin. I definitely encourage that to avoid some minor emo moments that really is not worth paying attention to. Now I wish we would could be like that but sadly emotions are stronger and can get to you anytime even with a thicker skin. Sometimes people become cruel and unemotional towards some sensitive matters and that's where I get scare from. Lets focus not about the mental stability of the person on how to deal with emotions in real life but rather how people can deal with emotions on their relaxing and having fun time. Imagine this scenario, you come home from an stressing work day then you decided to relax with the stuff that you like and that you even pay for it. Then someone decides that they want mess with you because they just had a bad day as you. I don't think is fair. You are just trying to enjoy a game and forget about everything in RL for a bit while this person brings up their drama to the game and wants to make you as miserable as him. You can ignore it but like everything in life, it has a limit. Some people go beyond those limits and at that point you can't rely on your thicker skin. We are humans therefore it will not always happen.

Also talking about a psychological level not everyone can do that, some use even the game as a strategy to cope against stress. You never know with who are you dealing with behind that monitor. I bet that at this thread no one here have a 100% thick skin. Everyone at some point, and not just once but several times, have encounter people that have hurt/anger them by someone being mean or rude. It is impossible to be bullet proof for everything and every time.

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Originally Posted by Denmo

Well yeah, that's how it'd work. People would be rating you based on how they felt the rating should mean. Everyone would get bad points, but after 1000 ratings, your character would be mostly accurately portrayed, even if you say, had a bad grouchy night or two. And I think that if you are generally a nice person, earnest, and try hard, people will sense that and rate you with good marks.

This reputation system exists in many other games, and they usually work as intended.

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Sounds good to me :)

If I was being legitimately hassled and worried about online bullying i'd:

1. Report the person to a GM/moderator/person in charge
2. Block the person

If they made a new account to harass me i'd follow the exact same steps, the amount of work needed by the person to keep harassing you would make it absolutely not worth it if you:

DON'T REPLY.
DON'T INSTIGATE.

Those two rules are the most important to follow. When you're in school, if someone bullies you then you have to stand up for yourself.

If you're online you can simply avoid the issue entirely. If you're replying then the person is getting exactly what he/she wants, and will keep doing it for fun.

So just stop.

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

If by "fair" you mean nothing happens to someone who harasses others with no consequence other than some people knowing they are a jerk, then I do not see the justice in that.

I'm not asking for insane bans like Microsoft does on XBL, just warnings and/or temporary jail like they used to do. It's not too much to ask for.



Again with the fallacies. Why do you bring up Real Life in a debate about an MMO? Why ask how I deal other things? I have enough stress in my life without people harassing me and I come to this Video Game made for Entertainment and Fun. Not to "grow thick skin".

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The first line you bolded is referring to the game not real life. Apparently anything you dont agree with is a fallacy. From what I'm gethering from your responsesis you don't want to try to solve your "problem" yourself and you just want SE to handle it for you.

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At this time I can go off and MPK someone,

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I got MPKed yesterday. Minor annoyance.

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swear at them till my fingertips are blue

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Block them. Minor annoyance.

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threaten them

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Empty threats on the internet. Minor annoyance.

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spread complete lies about them,

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Lies about you to people you'll probbaly never meet. Why do you even care?

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get them kicked out of an LS by lying to the LS leader about things they did, cause a complete commotion and cause all sorts of drama and piss off as many people as I want and NOTHING would happen. How do you think this is okay and "fixed" by thick skin?

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Get a new LS. People do it all the time. There are plenty in the game. What would SE even be do about this anyway?

So far nothing you said convinced me there's a huge problem in the game that SE needs to address. All the things you listed are annoying at best. None of these things should cause you any "emotional stress." You can find these things in any game online so if you can't deal it the only thing I can suggest is playing some console game where you don't have to interact with anyone.

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Originally Posted by Searious

The first line you bolded is referring to the game not real life. Apparently anything you dont agree with is a fallacy. From what I'm gethering from your responsesis you don't want to try to solve your "problem" yourself and you just want SE to handle it for you.


I got MPKed yesterday. Minor annoyance.


Block them. Minor annoyance.


Empty threats on the internet. Minor annoyance.


Lies about you to people you'll probbaly never meet. Why do you even care?


Get a new LS. People do it all the time. There are plenty in the game. What would SE even be do about this anyway?

So far nothing you said convinced me there's a huge problem in the game that SE needs to address. All the things you listed are annoying at best. None of these things should cause you any "emotional stress." You can find these things in any game online so if you can't deal it the only thing I can suggest is playing some console game where you don't have to interact with anyone.

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Woa O.O we do want to keep playing the game and cyber bully is a factor that affects MANY in their play time.

Ok lets talk about the issue that most of us care. If you feel that it is not that important then you got the right to not care about this thread and just ignore it but please be considerate that some do care and feel that is important. This is not for the people that can deal with it in an effectively manner but about the people that really can't and the people that cares about those. Some can ignore it, the majority can't if not we wouldn't have problems all over the world including the cyber one.

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Originally Posted by Aethelinda

Imagine this scenario, you come home from an stressing work day then you decided to relax with the stuff that you like and that you even pay for it. Then someone decides that they want mess with you because they just had a bad day as you. I don't think is fair. You are just trying to enjoy a game and forget about everything in RL for a bit while this person brings up their drama to the game and wants to make you as miserable as him. You can ignore it but like everything in life, it has a limit. Some people go beyond those limits and at that point you can't rely on your thicker skin. We are humans therefore it will not always happen.

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I guess the thing is with me is that I had an extremely stressful job. So compared to what I was dealing with at work there isn't anything anyone can do or say in game that would bother me much. It's easy for me to ignore assholes in game especially knowing that they're most likely doing what they're doing because they're miserable in their own lives.

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Originally Posted by Searious

The first line you bolded is referring to the game not real life. Apparently anything you dont agree with is a fallacy. From what I'm gethering from your responsesis you don't want to try to solve your "problem" yourself and you just want SE to handle it for you.


I got MPKed yesterday. Minor annoyance.


Block them. Minor annoyance.


Empty threats on the internet. Minor annoyance.


Lies about you to people you'll probbaly never meet. Why do you even care?


Get a new LS. People do it all the time. There are plenty in the game. What would SE even be do about this anyway?

So far nothing you said convinced me there's a huge problem in the game that SE needs to address. All the things you listed are annoying at best. None of these things should cause you any "emotional stress." You can find these things in any game online so if you can't deal it the only thing I can suggest is playing some console game where you don't have to interact with anyone.

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No, saying it's not a problem because someone can just grow thick skin is a fallacy and trying to discredit my point by asking how I deal with real life stress is a borderline ad hominem attack that adds nothing to the debate.

Not going to reply to the rest of your post because it's getting circular at this point. All I can say is look on the other side of the fence and have some empathy.

It will always come down to:

http://i46.tinypic.com/2h6zgqu.png

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Originally Posted by Searious

I guess the thing is with me is that I had an extremely stressful job. So compared to what I was dealing with at work there isn't anything anyone can do or say in game that would bother me much. It's easy for me to ignore assholes in game especially knowing that they're most likely doing what they're doing because they're miserable in their own lives.

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True. I always advice that to everyone. If they do that is because the really got nothing better to do while you do have it. That should be enough to make you feel strong and move on. However like I said not everyone is as strong as you. I have seen people stopping playing and others just feeling bad because of it. I can also relate to them because I was there 2 times in the past on my years of playing FFXIV. Not long enough to affect me to the point of stop playing but enough to grind my gears lol

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Originally Posted by Ingolf

It will always come down to:

http://i46.tinypic.com/2h6zgqu.png

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I would very much so agree, but sometimes it doesn't work. That's where SE needs to step in, IMO.

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Originally Posted by Aethelinda

Woa O.O we do want to keep playing the game and cyber bully is a factor that affects MANY in their play time.

Ok lets talk about the issue that most of us care. If you feel that it is not that important then you got the right to not care about this thread and just ignore it but please be considerate that some do care and feel that is important. This is not for the people that can deal with is in an effectively manner but more about the people that really can't and the people that cares about those.

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Well in my first response I tried to put things in perspective by comparing cyber "bullying" to real bullying but Amy didn't like that so she caled it a fallacy. Before Amy listed the things that were bothering her i imagined maybe she was going through something more severe like people putting her personal information online or photoshoping embarrassing pictures of her or something. I didn't expect the typical MMO stuff. From her perspective it's bullying but from mine it's just some things that she's allowing to bother her.

Anyway if SE can't fix her problem and she doesn't want to get a thicker skin what else can she do? No matter what people will be assholes online.

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

I would very much so agree, but sometimes it doesn't work. That's where SE needs to step in, IMO.

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Well yeah, if there's obviously some harassment going on there should be a suspension or ban put in place.

SE should do a pretty thorough checkup though, It's no good if the wrong person gets in trouble.

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

I would very much so agree, but sometimes it doesn't work. That's where SE needs to step in, IMO.

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Also, never say "I don't care."
ANY reaction is grounds for them to continue.

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Originally Posted by Ingolf

Well yeah, if there's obviously some harassment going on there should be a suspension or ban put in place.

SE should do a pretty thorough checkup though, It's no good if the wrong person gets in trouble.

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Completely agreed. It does more harm than good if they just ban people for getting reported like some other MMO's do.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

Also, never say "I don't care."
ANY reaction is grounds for them to continue.

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Also completely agreed.

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

No, saying it's not a problem because someone can just grow thick skin is a fallacy and trying to discredit my point by asking how I deal with real life stress is a borderline ad hominem attack that adds nothing to the debate.

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Now you're just overracting.

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Not going to reply to the rest of your post because it's getting circular at this point. All I can say is look on the other side of the fence and have some empathy.

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I don't have to look through the other side of the fence as almost all the things you've mentioned have happened to me at one point or another. It's up to you how much you let it affect your gaming experience. You are letting these things bother you.

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Originally Posted by Searious

Now you're just overracting.



I don't have to look through the other side of the fence as almost all the things you've mentioned have happened to me at one point or another. It's up to you how much you let it affect your gaming experience. You are letting these things bother you.

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Saying you're using ad hominem attacks is not over reacting. I am simply stating you are going after aspects of myself instead of my points and that adds nothing.

Also, maybe when I type it you don't seem to understand what I'm saying so I will quote someone else with my main point to get it across to you.

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Originally Posted by Ingolf

Well yeah, if there's obviously some harassment going on there should be a suspension or ban put in place.

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That's it. That simple. Anything else I stated is mere adding to my case and not the main focus point so in essence you're attacking the branches of the argument and ignoring the structure of it which is causing the building frustration in my posts.

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

Saying you're using ad hominem attacks is not over reacting. I am simply stating you are going after aspects of myself instead of my points and that adds nothing.

Also, maybe when I type it you don't seem to understand what I'm saying so I will quote someone else with my main point to get it across to you.


That's it. That simple. Anything else I stated is mere adding to my case and not the main focus point so in essence you're attacking the branches of the argument and ignoring the structure of it which is causing the building frustration in my posts.

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This is your problem. You see everything as a debate or attack instead of people trying to give you advice. I never disagreed with whether or not SE should ban or suspend someone for harrassment. I offered my opinion of things I thought you could or should do yourself since SE isn't handling things to your satisfaction.

It seems like you don't like that though. You just want everyone to agree with everything you say and offer you pity.

Okay, let's step back here. This was your first post that I saw.

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Originally Posted by Searious

So.....did anyone ever explain why the blacklist doesn't work? I've never really understood cyber bullying. Compared to real life bullying like someone hitting your or taking your stuff it never seemed like a big deal. It seems a lot easier to avoid/ignore since you can just block/blacklist people online. It's hard to ignore someone actually physically assaulting you or taking your stuff.

Apologies in advance if my post seems unsensitive.

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I replied with this

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

Blacklist doesn't stop someone and his friends from following you spamming /laugh at you.
Blacklist doesn't stop someone from getting his buddies to send horribly rude things to you.
Blacklist doesn't stop someone from spreading lies or bad things about you.
Blacklist doesn't stop someone from MPKing you.
Blacklist only works when or after being bullied and even then it only stops messages and it goes far beyond that.

I've been bullied a little in this game and it's not pleasant and it generally hurts your feelings even if you do blacklist them. I think that's the part you may not be getting, the emotional part of being cyber bullied. The major fix would be just to have a GM service that actually DOES something other than delete forum posts and tell people that they are "investigating the issue" even if it was simply light punishment. Not everyone has thick skin and people do have feelings on the other side of the computer monitor. Though, some other suggestions here are completely bad and unwarranted.

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I put the "branches" of my point in bold. These don't add anything to the actual point but are mere examples. I've never even had someone follow me around with their buddies /laughing at me. It was merely a example.

From there it is a debate. Not a "formal" debate with mediator and debating rules but a debate about cyber bullying on a forum. My stance was that SE should do something about it and your stance was that everyone should just deal with it and grow thick skin and our posts have been back and forth and that is considered a debate.

I'm not asking for people to agree with me. I'm okay with that. If someone disagreed with me and put up valid points I'd concede to them and take their points into consideration and I certainly do not want pity.

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

Okay, let's step back here. This was your first post that I saw.


I replied with this


I put the "branches" of my point in bold. These don't add anything to the actual point but are mere examples. I've never even had someone follow me around with their buddies /laughing at me. It was merely a example.

From there it is a debate. Not a "formal" debate with mediator and debating rules but a debate about cyber bullying on a forum. My stance was that SE should do something about it and your stance was that everyone should just deal with it and grow thick skin and our posts have been back and forth and that is considered a debate.

I'm not asking for people to agree with me. I'm okay with that. If someone disagreed with me and put up valid points I'd concede to them and take their points into consideration and I certainly do not want pity.

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For it to even be a debate I would have to be dissagreeing that SE should do something about cyber "bullying". I listed alternatives. Sometimes instead of holding your breath waiting for some help that may never come you have to deal with things yourself. It's usually the best way to make sure your problem is solved.

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So far nothing you said convinced me there's a huge problem in the game that SE needs to address.

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Unless you're referring to this. To clarify this line I wasn't saying people shouldn't be banned or suspended for harassment. Aside from the mpking and verbal abuse I don't see what SE can do. Does SE really need to waste time one people spreading lies about each other in LSs? Or play detective and see if someone was wrongly kicked out of a LS?

Anyway seriously..some insults or threats from someone who's probably a fat lonely loser should not ruin your game experience.

SE does indeed do something against people harassing someone else. The problem is that many people getting into trouble with "bullying" people simply fight back. How should an GM handle that situation? Ban both? I wouldn't go that far to even call this bullying.

The other story are the ones really being bashed on by an individual without doing anything back. But blacklisting these helps for most problems, just leaving the MPK issue and the rumors such a person could spread. I personally haven't heard of any MPK bully in my entire time in XIV, but that is some issue GMs surely can help with.

About spreading rumors: That is some serious problem and the only ones who can change it is the entire playerbase. Don't judge people by questionable information of other players - make yourself an own picture! That player might be a LS mate or even more to you, but in many cases it still is just a person from the internet you don't know. By questioning things others say you're taking a bullys greatest power.

Well, im done with this thread. I just wanted to go ahead and say that all of my posts were to show the ridiculousness of the whole anti-bullying movement and that the movement is counter productive.
most anti-bullying campaigns only serve to weaken the general audience they are aimed at strengthening and end up making people want to be the victims of bullying. note how some people's attitudes changed once i stated (falsely) that i had been abused and that was why i was posting aggresive content. a reason is not an excuse.

if you want to see the hypocracy of the anti-bully movement, just go look at the motivational anti-bully speakers who belittle and berate kind people based on their belief or the color of their skin. prejudging them to be bad people and therefor deciding it is ok to bully them, because they are most likely bullies themselves.

in closing: Buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Hiding your real identity is all well and good, but when its linked to you you are much less likely to be a douche.

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Apparently you don't see some of the things posted on people's Facebook pages. XD

Seriously, I don't know what's so hard about using the blacklist. If you're drawing this kind of attention to yourself in the first place, you probably deserved it. I've played online games since Diablo and Starcraft and tended not to engage in general jackassery. I've never had these kinds of problems with people bugging me in games, probably because I've never created a reason for them to do so.

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Originally Posted by Presbytier

The easiest and best solution to stop cyber bullying is to take the anonymity out of the web. Blizzard's Real Id plan was great unfortunately they caved to the pressure of people suddenly realizing they may have to own up top the things they said online.

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This is so wrong in so many ways.

You really need to brush up on what social engineering is, and how taking anonymity out of the web can compromise your privacy and personal security

Facebook is your first mistake.

Please refrain from any logical fallacies while responding.

One of the big reasons that Blizzard decided to pull RealID was that one of their employees revealed his real name in support of the new feature. Within a short time his home address and vehicle information was posted. That can be very dangerous, especially when it's the WoW community you're dealing with.

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Originally Posted by Aethelinda

Bullies Online :eek:

First of all I will apologize in advance about my grammar. My primary language is Spanish but I will do the best that I can to express myself in a way you can all understand. ^^ I think this article will do well to some on the victim position. I’m very sorry about that too. As you can see on my profile I don’t post much but sometimes I feel the need to speak up and I guess this time I want to speak up for them.

I decided to post this article about bullies because I’m sick and tired of some pretending to be mental stable individuals and “boom” out of nowhere they become someone's worst nightmare in their free and supposedly relaxing time. The sad part of this story is that many of these people are adults and even professionals. Many of us were victims at some point and I’m pretty sure you were thinking “Oh My God, what’s wrong with this person?” I was there one time, can think of three names at this moment, and will probably be again because we are SURROUNDED BY ZOMBIES! O_o


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here a link for you. http://www.bullyonline.org/workbully/serial.htm

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Originally Posted by Preypacer

Some people simply don't care. Some think it's funny, or even cool when they're busted. There's a lot of very unstable people out there. And yes, some a bunch of them do play MMOs.

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edited your quote from personal experience. just for XIV alone going from one sever to another was kind of scary when I think about the number of people showing strong sociopathic/histrionic/narcissistic traits I ran into on both servers.

Have you even seen the Ventrilo harrastment Youtubes? LOL
Why make a thread about "cyber-bullying"?
Kids get bullied in school... never heard of bullies on the internet!

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How to recognize a Cyber Bully.
Online bullying can take many forms:

• Sending threatening, taunting or teasing e-mails to someone.
• In an online game use their character to make themselves known around you with the purpose of bothering you. Like emos actions or moving around you.
• Using any other tech to spread gossip or rumors.
• Pretending to be another person online so you can post or e-mail things that will embarrass or get that person in trouble. Very common on the forums
• Being a “pretend friend” online so you can later hurt or humiliate someone.
• “Ganging up” on someone in a chat or on a message board because the more people they have, the powerful they feel.
• “Grieving” someone in an online video game by constantly picking on a new or inexperienced player.

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Practically all of the above are just some if not a few ways of real bullying I've grew up around(witnessed) IRL. Not necesarily can be done online but if it escalates, that's why the GM is there.

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Originally Posted by PSxpert2011

Have you even seen the Ventrilo harrastment Youtubes? LOL
Why make a thread about "cyber-bullying"?
Kids get bullied in school... never heard of bullies on the internet!



Practically all of the above are just some if not a few ways of real bullying I've grew up around(witnessed) IRL. Not necesarily can be done online but if it escalates, that's why the GM is there.

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Not sure if its still true but I did like that about FFXI's gms. They responded within minutes almost always in person.

And they read those chat logs and did something asap. (though because they dont have a replay system MPKing was hardly enforced unless they did it again while a GM was watching).

I've read that the GMs in FFXI and FFXIV are the same, so perhaps they are too spread out now. Or some powers revoked. Just know you can report a series MPK issues in FFXIV and they wont even come to check it out.

Hard to tell if GMs do anything. They can be invisible (and probably are most of the time) and already say in advance(with the nice standard text) that you won't get contacted any further even if something happens. Don't really like that but it's to protect privacy I guess.

I have not come across any cyberbullies during my experience in FFXIV so far.

However, based on the comments and original OP post, I can definitely say this game's community isn't as bad as OP or some others might think. These forms of behavior are pretty unavoidable especially since social interactions take place online. Because peoples personal information is kept anonymous, there are some players out there who will take advantage of this and attack people online. The funny part, however, is that these abusive players would most likely NOT act this way offline because they know the consequences can be dire. Online, they feel invincible and the only real punishment they can receive is a suspension or ban. I have played various other online rpgs such as Guild Wars, TERA, and Diablo. The latter actually had a fair share of abusive players on there.

If you think FFXIV cyberbullying is horrible though, you are definitely wrong. I don't think there is any other online RPG this gen out there that has a terrible community in comparison to a PS3 game called White Knight Chronicles 1 and 2. Not only are there cyberbullies on there, but it also has large set of sick-minded players who enjoy stalking, trolling and online defamation. The drama and hate between players on that game should win "Award of the Year" for how sickening that game's online community is. Unlike FFXIV, there pretty much is no in-game moderators that actually care about their players welfare. Therefore, players abuse White Knight Chronicles' message board and online interactions to the max. Moreover, the bad players go beyond the game to attack others by posting YouTube videos and attacking them if they can find them on a gaming forum like GameFaqs or Neoseeker. It's really quite pathetic how immature these grown adults are on that game. If you want to see how bad it is yourself and have a PS3, just read the White Knight Chronicles' in-game message board. You will see exactly what I mean.

All I can say is that FFXIV cyberbullies are nothing in comparison to White Knight Chronicle's abusive community. For anyone causing problems for others currently or in the future of this game, I hope FFXIV:ARR will have a good moderation system that will punish these players.

My two cents :)

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Originally Posted by Kuzak

This is so wrong in so many ways.

You really need to brush up on what social engineering is, and how taking anonymity out of the web can compromise your privacy and personal security

Facebook is your first mistake.

Please refrain from any logical fallacies while responding.

One of the big reasons that Blizzard decided to pull RealID was that one of their employees revealed his real name in support of the new feature. Within a short time his home address and vehicle information was posted. That can be very dangerous, especially when it's the WoW community you're dealing with.

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I like how I am not supposed to respond with Logical fallacies, so I will begin by pointing out your most obvious one. Appeal to probability. Just because something can happen does not mean it will. I would like to point out that in that case only one person revealed their identity(if both parties are not made known then of course it invites abuses; also social engineering can happen eve when pseudonyms are used). In an ideal scenario everyones identity would be made known; this would have the effect of removing the artificial barrier of anonymity. You would be less likely to to harass someone if they knew who you were(especially considering if i know who you are it is easier form to go about seeking prosecution in the court of law). I also want to point out that the Blizzard case is unique in that most other MMOs I played it was already known who the community reps where, and as far as i can recollect none or very few have been the victims of cyber/bullying/thieves. If revealing ones identity was such a threat then no public individual nor game developer nor actor would ever do it. if someone wants to stalk they are going to do it whether it be in cyberspace with your fake identity or in reality with your real one.

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Originally Posted by Presbytier

...if someone wants to stalk they are going to do it whether it be in cyberspace with your fake identity or in reality with your real one.

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Exactly, but why make it easy for them online to the point where they could easily screw with you offline as well?

Sorry, but I still completely disagree with your position on forcing people to disclose their personal information for all to see when they register with an online community. It's unethical and it's just plain silly.

When it comes to cyberbullies, this is when the moderation team, or GM staff, need to get involved and take care of the issue accordingly. If they're too lazy or incompetent to do so, then it's time to seek greener pastures.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Not sure if its still true but I did like that about FFXI's gms. They responded within minutes almost always in person.

And they read those chat logs and did something asap. (though because they dont have a replay system MPKing was hardly enforced unless they did it again while a GM was watching).

I've read that the GMs in FFXI and FFXIV are the same, so perhaps they are too spread out now. Or some powers revoked. Just know you can report a series MPK issues in FFXIV and they wont even come to check it out.

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On XIV a RMT party tried to MPK mine for a whole 3 hours in Copperbell, called GM, they eventually de-spawned (I suppose jail? Or they all d/c'd one after another :p). As for harassment in general, just report it to GMs, that has to be the easiest thing they can check, it revolves only about checking what was said in the chat... (And I suppose that like in all MMOs, GM can read everything, well I hope they can.)

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Originally Posted by Kuzak

Exactly, but why make it easy for them online to the point where they could easily screw with you offline as well?

Sorry, but I still completely disagree with your position on forcing people to disclose their personal information for all to see when they register with an online community. It's unethical and it's just plain silly.

When it comes to cyber bullies, this is when the moderation team, or GM staff, need to get involved and take care of the issue accordingly. If they're too lazy or incompetent to do so, then it's time to seek greener pastures.

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How the hell is it unethical; every other area in ones life one is required to reveal their identity. Also you missed my point entirely; just because it can happen does not mean it will.

Design the game better, simple. And OBVIOUSLY nbdy should have to disclose personal information in a video game.. common sense ftw. If we wanted a game like real life, we'd all go outside wearing capes.. ppl play games to escape reality, not tack it on.

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Originally Posted by Mujen

Design the game better, simple. And OBVIOUSLY nbdy should have to disclose personal information in a video game.. common sense ftw. If we wanted a game like real life, we'd all go outside wearing capes.. ppl play games to escape reality, not tack it on.

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Who said I dont go to work with my bathrobe and cape on? I'm an important man and I need to stand out.

:D

I would like to see a replay system for FFXIV though, one you can start yourself and then one that starts automatically after a GM call. So you can record an MPK and then submit it into the GM box.

Could also mean they would be able to create a cinema mode where players could slightly modify replays later for player videos. Just need to make a replay marked "gm" able and as soon as it has been modified uncheck it as reliable material.

(The file would be a .txt like file that is held on the server so it would take minimal room - like server side held macros). It has to be server side otherwise programmers might be able to use it to figure out some of the server engine structure and make their own servers.

Don't beat up on bullying!

Bullying is responsible - in no small part - for one of the most memorable posts on the forums.

I cry laughing every time I read that. :D


Unintentional humor is some of the best~

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

Don't beat up on bullying!

Bullying is responsible - in no small part - for one of the most memorable posts on the forums.

I cry laughing every time I read that. :D


Unintentional humor is some of the best~

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OMG lmao.. Zan, ur making me laugh today another like for you!

I'm guessing english isn't that guy's 1st language so it's coming across rly funny..

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One even brought coco's ass to my mouth when I was standing in desert.

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wtf? lol

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- I was waiting chocobo hard.

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wtf x2 (O_o)

game is for 80yr olds.. hahaha ^_^

Didn't Spike Lee try to find Zimmerman's parents online, and found the wrong people ?

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Originally Posted by Presbytier

How the hell is it unethical; every other area in ones life one is required to reveal their identity.

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Yes, but not to the general public at every turn.

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Originally Posted by Presbytier

just because it can happen does not mean it will.

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And what if it does, what do you do then?

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Originally Posted by Mujen

...nbdy should have to disclose personal information in a video game.. common sense ftw.

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Indeed. Unfortunately, for some people in this thread, common sense escapes them.

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Originally Posted by Kuzak

Yes, but not to the general public at every turn.



And what if it does, what do you do then?



Indeed. Unfortunately, for some people in this thread, common sense escapes them.

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I thought we were supposed to avoid logical fallacies :p . First off there is no such thing as common sense. Secondly having one's identity stolen in a game is as likely as any other place where one has to give their name and credit card. Lastly just because it can happen is not a good enough reason; between the years of 2008 and 2010 only 5% of Americans were victims of identity theft(this includes all forms). yeah 5% a really small number.