What are your unrealistic expectations for the upcoming Combat Live Letter?

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

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This recommendation has actually been rejected several times before (in this expansion alone) on the DPS subforum, where melee players who are directly engaged with the topic provide feedback. Just because you've tried to slide in the idea here doesn't mean that melee players are silently on board with removing positionals.

I think if you go out of your way to suggest detrimental changes to role that you don't play, then people in turn will be less sympathetic when it comes to your own concerns about healer gameplay. This is a basic courtesy.

It's already been explained to you why splitting melee dps into a two tier system of 'positional' and 'non-positional' jobs is a bad idea. Saying that you will find 'an alternative mechanic' to replace it without it having proof of concept is meaningless. All this does is recreate the Caster situation, where you have a split between 'low-effort' jobs that do less damage and 'high-effort' jobs that do more damage. You are removing gameplay mechanics without having something tangible to offer in return. This is what leads to the progressive simplification of jobs that we've been seeing.

I get that you've exhausted any and all interest in the healer topic, and unfortunately have to look elsewhere to engagement farm. That's fine, but please do it for roles that are looking for fixes, not ones that are happy with the current design (or at least have expressed that they want to see more positionals brought back rather than less). I'm sure that you have wonderful ideas to offer Physical Ranged and Casters instead.

Sometimes, reverting to a previous build, building over that one, and making improvements is the better approach. Currently, SMN is just so bare that you don't get anything new other than an ability swap for the most part. One might argue that BLM is just like that.. At some point yes, Fire and Blizzard swapping to Paradox, etc but you have to do something in order to achieve that.. EW SMN, there is no thought process, just pressing it when available. Should they have stayed with the old Egis and expanded on their strengths and improved on its weaknesses, then we could've had a great SMN that doesn't need to cramp all of its abilities every 2 mins.

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Originally Posted by Lyth

This recommendation has been rejected several times before on the DPS subforum, where melee players who are directly engaged with the topic provide feedback. Just because you've tried to slide in the idea here doesn't mean that melee players are silently on board with removing positionals.

I think if you go out of your way to suggest detrimental changes to role that you don't play, then people in turn will be less sympathetic when it comes to your own concerns about healer gameplay. This is a basic courtesy.

It's already been explained to you why splitting melee dps into a two tier system of 'positional' and 'non-positional' jobs is a bad idea. Saying that you will find 'an alternative mechanic' to replace it without it having proof of concept is meaningless. All this does is recreate the Caster situation, where you have a split between 'low-effort' jobs that do less damage and 'high-effort' jobs that do more damage.

I get that you've exhausted any and all interest in the healer topic, and now have to look elsewhere to engagement farm. That's fine, but go do it for roles that are looking for fixes, not ones that are happy with the current design. I'm sure that you have wonderful ideas to offer Physical Ranged and Casters as well.

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Once again you have this weird absolutely unassailable belief that your word is law when it comes to melee. It would be hilarious if it wasn’t just so…………..dismissive for literally zero reason. Do you see me going on to any comment you make in the other forums going “acshooly sweaty nobody wants to hear your opinion karma farm on a different forum”. I would say this weird “courtesy trade” you are hammering on about would be valid if you didn’t freely espouse your opinions on the other roles without caring what their mains say, how many times have you argued with me about healers or goatofwar about tanks, aren’t you not providing us with this weird courtesy trade by your own definition

Because as you’ve seen from this forum alone your idea of detrimental changes other poepe like and it’s not just me, you can “if you don’t like positionals you aren’t a real melee main” all you like but there are melee mains who don’t like them and other people who don’t main melee who don’t like them (just as there are mains and non mains who do like them) you’ve got to let go of this “only my opinion on the subject matters”

You have provided exactly zero evidence that a sub role system wouldn’t work (which let me remind you I didn’t even suggest), all I’m saying is if you have a quarter of the games total jobs you dint need them to have all the same feature just because they are melee and because you happen to like positionals

Again, we've had the positional topic come up in the DPS subforum a few times. This is not new, and it gets batted away fairly readily by people who are active in providing job feedback for melee - feel free to read through it. If anything, players have been asking for a return to more positionals rather than less. The response is much the same as when you had one or two people advocating for healers having 'less of a dps focus' than they already do. You can't ignore it, because the developers occasionally cherry pick singular threads for things like Kaiten removal and then are surprised that people are upset over the change. At the same time, it becomes tiring to keep re-explaining why an idea is bad, especially if the person in question hasn't made any attempt to understand the situation and gain some firsthand experience before weighing in on it.

The reason why a subrole split is bad is because it ends up being turned into a justification for dps discrepencies. Ideally, DPS subroles themselves shouldn't have a significant amount of dps discrepency, but that's another story. When the entire role is focused on doing damage, splitting the role into two categories that provide different amounts of dps is a bad idea. Why invest your time into a job that is underpowered? At the same time, players chafe at the idea of putting more effort to do the same amount of damage. And that does happen when you unilaterally remove a gameplay mechanic but have nothing to offer in return.

Normal dungeons go back to arr levels of hard and actual brainpower is required (healers using esuna and tanks needing mitigation and smart pulling) resulting in mass leavers and wipes because goddddddd this game is so boring rn

For the Healers:

All the oGCD Healings will change to GCD (some maybee with MP costs) with the exception of 1 or 2 (like Benediction and the Fairy Healing Abilities). With this simple change the Healer Experience should change vom 1,2,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,2,1,1,1 to something better. And they would not need to change all the combat encounters with this change.

Easy Healer Gameplay improvement.

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Originally Posted by Lyth

This recommendation has actually been rejected several times before (in this expansion alone) on the DPS subforum, where melee players who are directly engaged with the topic provide feedback. Just because you've tried to slide in the idea here doesn't mean that melee players are silently on board with removing positionals.

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The dps subforum is a dead forum that represents a minority among the official forum users, which in itself is a minority of the player base. Not to mention that many long time players have been banned from posting in here because of some completely irrelevant topics they dared to participate in. I'm a melee main who did savage this expansion and just like Supersnow I would like to have one (1) melee job without positionals.

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Originally Posted by Lyth

If you really want to play a job that requires melee uptime but doesn't require positionals, tanks are always an option, especially as tank gameplay around positioning and mitigation becomes progressively more vestigial. As it is tanks, healers, and casters have been steadily losing their defining gameplay mechanics on the basis of trying to engage players who have zero interest in actually playing those roles. We don't need to add melee to that mix, and you will get community pushback for this on a much larger scale than you saw with Kaiten.

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What kind of logic is that?

"If you want to play melee without positionals, just go play that role that obviously has core issues, has its (different) identity and role being diluted or slowly lost, and you'll have fun with it"

What's next, "if you want to play a support caster dps, go play a healer" ?

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Originally Posted by ZiraZ

Duty finder will never matter as long as it's tied to the story, normal bosses barely have a design, it's more like a target dummy and no kind of rework or job design changes will have any effect on basement floor difficulty that only demands players do the bare minimum to clear.
I'm not saying there shouldn't be some changes, I'm sure healers could use with some more dps buttons to not die from boredom but you will absolutely never have to use your entire kit if the encounter simply has negative challenges in it.
I wish they would up the difficulty for normals and dungeons but they won't.
Not sure what fflogs has to do with positionls, the extra dps may just be a reward but the way it affects your gameplay goes beyond something numerical, I can very clearly tell when a melee is doing positionals and when they are not even trying just by the way they move or the extra greed risks they take in some encounters.

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DF encounter difficulty is a red herring. I used to enjoy it as chill content when jobs were still fun to play.

But I know your mileage may vary, I know some people that just play for encounters and couldn't care less about job design. In fact, I do suspect it's a majority of the population those days, and SE knows it.

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Originally Posted by Lyth

I think that it's a serious mistake to cater job design to people who are currently ambivalent to it. You drive away the core audience, and everyone else remains ambivalent. That's a contributing factor to a lot of the progressive simplifications that we're seeing across roles.

Contributing to this are bad actors who have no interest in the role but are out looking for personal gain. When Abyssos was released, all we heard from that tier about was how Casters 'should do more dps' because of the hitbox sizes and wall fights without positionals. This is where most of the push to remove postionals comes from. It's pretty obvious what their follow-up to this will be.

Likewise, a tiered system of 'sub-subroles' into BLM and non-BLM was probably the worst design decision to hit Caster DPS. Jobs in a subrole should have parity with each other at minimum, which in turn places some constraints in the design and types of gameplay challenges. If you remove those challenges, then that balance gets called into question. So if DRG post-rework is suddenly without positionals and comes with widespread simplifications and button loss as 'Dawntrail's SMN', does that mean that we suddenly create an 'unwanted tier' of melee DPS? At least SMN had Raise.

Unless players step in to defend their role and vocalize that these ideas are unwanted and unwelcome, the devs assume that players in the role want these simplifications and we end up with the likes of auto-healing tanks that don't manage positioning, casters that don't cast, and healers that aren't needed to heal while being restricted to one-button Broil rotations. A 'platformer without pitfalls'.

If you want people to be sympathetic to healer issues, then you have to offer a degree of mutual consideration to preserving roles that others care about in return. This is just the tip of the iceburg. Removing positionals will definitely come with significant backlash, at least after the fact.

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While I'll never forgive SE for deleting old MCH in order to bring a non proc rphys into the role, the reason I'll not forgive is because it alienated all the actual players that played the actual job before. However, I wouldn't have been against them introducing a procless rphys into the role, for example it could have been the brand new one, DNC.

For the same reason, I don't see the problem at all with introducing a positional-less melee DPS role as long as it's Viper and not a DRG rework for instance. DRG has positionals and probably needs to retain them for similar reasons than MCH should have. If the problem is it makes Viper easier, then there is other leverages to use, notably rotational complexity, since damage output is probably a bad solution like we have seen for the SMN rework.

-As an RDM main, please don't have another melee added to the combo....yeesh.
-Let IMPACT mimic the Jolt as far as rotation cast times go.
-Would like to see VerWater, VerQuake, and VerBlizzard. Something new besides verThunder & verAero on both single & AOE rotation.

-SMN: add more primals to the rotation.
-Bring back SHADOWFLARE

MCH: add some landmines
-Add some better than shotgun.

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Originally Posted by Valence

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You'll need to define what you mean by 'rotational complexity.'

New jobs are always subject to scrutiny. I'm not sure if you recall RPR's launch, but it was widely described as having 'minimal positionals' and 'mechanically easy'. All melee jobs have seen a progressive reduction in positional counts over time, with most jobs averaging at about one positional every 5 GCDs or so. RPR is the same as most of the others, except that the positional counts are less evenly distributed, such that you might have three positionals in a row followed by some downtime. This in conjunction with TN gave players the perception that there were fewer positionals overall. From a rotational standpoint it does have some very unique features, especially around the setup of Double/Triple Enshroud, with set entry points into burst depending on your Death's Design timer. But you'd never know this looking at the job from the outside.

At launch, it was universally derided, and suffered a series of iterative nerfs through to Abyssos, all on the basis that it was 'less challenging to optimize'. Do you really think that releasing melee that actually lacks positionals on the basis of 'theoretical rotational complexity' is going to fare any better? No way.

If you want to play a sword job without positionals, then PLD, DRK, and GNB are all options. This is the first time that we're getting a standard longsword job on melee after waiting for 10 years, with dual wielding no less. It would be really nice if they could get this right the first time. In particular, I want to see them err on the side of unusually difficult, rather than going the RPR route and producing a job that everyone dismisses from the outset. I want to see higher than average positional counts, higher baseline speed, higher weave counts, more intricate combos, and more nuanced movement actions.

If not, I suppose I'll just have to wait for them to bring out an Thunder God Cid-inspired greatsword spellblade to get a proper sword job on melee.

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Originally Posted by Asdif_Laoeg

For the Healers:

All the oGCD Healings will change to GCD (some maybee with MP costs) with the exception of 1 or 2 (like Benediction and the Fairy Healing Abilities). With this simple change the Healer Experience should change vom 1,2,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,2,1,1,1 to something better. And they would not need to change all the combat encounters with this change.

Easy Healer Gameplay improvement.

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This does not actually change the healer gameplay meaningfully, all this would introduce is something that is already a thing to begin with. Using your one heal, or someone else taking your opportunity like a tank usually, then you going back to your one dps button. The issue is it all, not just healing, those who say otherwise do not understand the bigger picture. Healers need something to do in their down time, and that one button is not doing it justice. That button is all you will be doing mostly out of all your skills and thus its monotony sticks out greatly, as outside of your prime responsibility it makes all the healers appear to be the same entity job wise [one could argue even within the job's prime responsibility the healers are the same but that's why I brought up that changing how healing operation does not change the gameplay meaningfully]. When compared to tanks, they have few differences outside their prime role responsibility when it comes to their rotations.

The best example we need to garner is from the Blue Mage to fix it all imo, it does both jobs and doesn't overly complicate the DPS kit or make unnecessary heals for no reason. But it still allows for options if you need them. (Of course the healers will have less DPS buttons than the Blue Mage but I think it could easily be a 40/60 or 60/40 split or somewhere in between, depending on the job. For example a DPS healer could lean 60% of their kit for dps (or buffs) and 40% heals, a supportive healer (the more ideal healer) could be 60% for heals and 40% for the dps kit (or buffs). This would have been more of a meaningful split than barrier vs pure again imho.

What this would look like in the grand scheme of things, if we changed kit for example and if we kept same number of buttons (just to give you a real idea of how it would work):
White Mage has 23 buttons allocated, I think 55% heals, 45% dps (or buffs (includes self buffs)) would be fine so: -4 heals, +4 DPS buttons
Sage has 21 buttons allocated, heals 40%, 60% dps (or buffs (includes self buffs)): -7 heals or -6 heals [if Penumbra adjusted], +6/7 DPS buttons
AST has 22 buttons allocated, 60% heals, 40% dps (or buffs (includes self buffs)): -1 heal/ -2 heals [if Macrocosmos adjusted] +1/2 DPS buttons
SCH has 24 buttons allocated, 58/42: -4 heals/ +4 DPS buttons

Replaced buttons could be effects combined or buttons removed entirely.

Note I did not consider any action that was either a role action or not attributing heals or dps buttons for allocated buttons (for obvious reasons, this is the area where jobs can differ (although it should still be looked at for button bloat in example of Undraw) and if work is put in can make them differ even more). I did not count Minor Arcana for AST (because it can be either). If the effects are both one button, it remains counted as one button.

In my opinion, they can cut off a few healing ogcds from all healers if they have no plans on making content that can maximize the entire kit.

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Originally Posted by rawker

In my opinion, they can cut off a few healing ogcds from all healers if they have no plans on making content that can maximize the entire kit.

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I agree to this sentiment, it does not matter to me how they achieve consolidation.

The cote issue is insufficient guaranteedincoming damage; rotational complexity isn't examining the root cause.

Restructure of the healers, their dps options and balance their damage better.

Give DRK better self sustain( extremely unrealistic)

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Originally Posted by HappyHubris

The cote issue is insufficient guaranteed incoming damage; rotational complexity isn't examining the root cause.

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There isn't a "root cause" because it's multiple issues. Focusing on the kit solves some of the issues but not EVERYTHING, the less options there are the more complex the role becomes in performing "X" because it limits decision making. There too should be increased healing, but in a game where outgoing healing has never been the prime answer and the birthing of healers that can barely perform the bare necessity (due to dps and tanks taking up the role) when it comes to healing, do you really trust them on a sudden constant incoming damage to heal(?) My answer is no, that's why you solve the most easy answer to increase their difficulty (their kit), then slightly move to increase incoming/outgoing damage to start training the healers to do their roles properly (again).

In this game it's a balance, not one or the other, both. When you are not healing, you are doing damage. That's why there exists regen and preemptive healing, to allow you the window to do so in the form of GCD (which we barely use as there is no benefit to do so [except if the goal is to waste your time])...in fact tank sustain has increased so much that it even furthers that window more, so it's only an insult to injury when you are left there pressing one button. Should they ever increase outgoing damage that makes us tap into our GCD, preapplication of healing would render that portion 0 and you would still be left there to dps. This even more true in content where there isn't just one healer. This is why it's multiple issues in one, not just "increase healing" call it a day, that doesn't really look at the bigger picture.

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Originally Posted by Kathryn

Thats fair, each to their own, I've played this game since 1.0 and I have never not once enjoyed positionals so I've always been a caster, maybe im just getting old :)

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I think it's just one of those differences in playstyle/ enjoyment sort of situation. Conversely I play melee because I really hate casting and standing still. I'm honestly a little peeved that they keep shoehorning standing still or casts onto some of the melee every expansion. Standing still while fighting because I choose to is one thing, but forcing me to just makes me sad lol.

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Originally Posted by Lyth

You'll need to define what you mean by 'rotational complexity.'

New jobs are always subject to scrutiny. I'm not sure if you recall RPR's launch, but it was widely described as having 'minimal positionals' and 'mechanically easy'. All melee jobs have seen a progressive reduction in positional counts over time, with most jobs averaging at about one positional every 5 GCDs or so. RPR is the same as most of the others, except that the positional counts are less evenly distributed, such that you might have three positionals in a row followed by some downtime. This in conjunction with TN gave players the perception that there were fewer positionals overall. From a rotational standpoint it does have some very unique features, especially around the setup of Double/Triple Enshroud, with set entry points into burst depending on your Death's Design timer. But you'd never know this looking at the job from the outside.

At launch, it was universally derided, and suffered a series of iterative nerfs through to Abyssos, all on the basis that it was 'less challenging to optimize'. Do you really think that releasing melee that actually lacks positionals on the basis of 'theoretical rotational complexity' is going to fare any better? No way.

If you want to play a sword job without positionals, then PLD, DRK, and GNB are all options. This is the first time that we're getting a standard longsword job on melee after waiting for 10 years, with dual wielding no less. It would be really nice if they could get this right the first time. In particular, I want to see them err on the side of unusually difficult, rather than going the RPR route and producing a job that everyone dismisses from the outset. I want to see higher than average positional counts, higher baseline speed, higher weave counts, more intricate combos, and more nuanced movement actions.

If not, I suppose I'll just have to wait for them to bring out an Thunder God Cid-inspired greatsword spellblade to get a proper sword job on melee.

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This is pretty much how I feel tbh. Each Melee has gotten more boring to play as time has gone on. I was really hoping reaper would be super fun, and it has its moments, but most of those moments are exclusively only because of enshroud, outside of enshroud it isn't super interesting.

I'd love for Viper to be ridiculously complex, if it isn't I will still play it but I'll be sad about it. The only realistic hope I can have is that they don't force viper to cast something like they've done with the last two melee or stand still for something.

It's weird like, positionals and being able to move around freely, these parts are the things that can make melee really fun and different. if you remove positionals, then we're basically no different than ranged jobs except we have to play up close.

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Originally Posted by Lyth

Do you really think that releasing melee that actually lacks positionals on the basis of 'theoretical rotational complexity' is going to fare any better? No way.

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Why would it not? Bring back SB double TK monk, remove all its positionals, and pit it against any other current design melee, and see if people think it's easier to play. Good grief.

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Originally Posted by Lyth

If you want to play a sword job without positionals, then PLD, DRK, and GNB are all options. This is the first time that we're getting a standard longsword job on melee after waiting for 10 years, with dual wielding no less. It would be really nice if they could get this right the first time. In particular, I want to see them err on the side of unusually difficult, rather than going the RPR route and producing a job that everyone dismisses from the outset. I want to see higher than average positional counts, higher baseline speed, higher weave counts, more intricate combos, and more nuanced movement actions.

If not, I suppose I'll just have to wait for them to bring out an Thunder God Cid-inspired greatsword spellblade to get a proper sword job on melee.

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Why are we talking about sword flavor now? Are you still trying to tell us to go play a support job if we don't like melee positionals on dps because of... blade flavor? Really?

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Originally Posted by Cynric

I'm honestly a little peeved that they keep shoehorning standing still or casts onto some of the melee every expansion. Standing still while fighting because I choose to is one thing, but forcing me to just makes me sad lol.

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The irony is that little nukes like midare or communio probably would have fitted rphys better, but they got scared shitless of people's reactions after they went over the top with bow and gun mage in HW... MCH tools (unless reassembled) or BRD's Apex Arrow are prime examples of what could require a cast.

Walking casts are a brilliant mechanic, and should absolutely be incorporated into the design on certain physical ranged DPS.

I never understood why apex arrow wasn’t a walking cast.

There are so many BRD attack animations that are begging for a cast time. And like having movement restricted while pulling back the draw string show up as an archery mechanic in many other games so why not bring it back in xiv-?

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Originally Posted by Valence

The irony is that little nukes like midare or communio probably would have fitted rphys better, but they got scared shitless of people's reactions after they went over the top with bow and gun mage in HW... MCH tools (unless reassembled) or BRD's Apex Arrow are prime examples of what could require a cast.

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By all means you ranged players can take all the casts you want, just keep them off melee ;_;

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Originally Posted by Cynric

By all means you ranged players can take all the casts you want, just keep them off melee ;_;

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SAM would 100% be worse without the casts on iiajutsu

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

SAM would 100% be worse without the casts on iiajutsu

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It's okay we can agree to disagree lol.

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Originally Posted by missTori

i am actually getting tired of certain jobs whose gameplay change entirely each expansion..like ast and summoner.. i wish they'd just find a sweet spot and leave it alone. DNC and BLM seem to be in that sweet spot..
i also think that more fights should have aoe that go off faster like titan at 50. in copperbell mines the slimes don't detonate till like 10 seconds after the castbar starts. there's no threat of messing up in most of the game. i hope yoshi figured this out since he was demonstrating falling asleep on stage to our gameplay for 4+? years now.

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The only problem with that philosophy is eventually they get stuck with nowhere to go

Take your two examples

1) DNC, DNC has literally no more space for new procs in its burst window and has superficial skills that fill the window (does anyone really care for starfall dance) so unless they retool something you are likely going to just get “saber dance 2” which is just single target saber dance which doesn’t really strike much interest in the job (ask healers how excited they get for their 10 potency upgrade every expansion)

2) BLM- paradox fixed the last little wrinkle in BLM both from casting the weak fire 1 to refresh astral fire and not having enough to cast inside umbral ice since the standard line didn’t always allow you to refresh thunder 3 in umbral ice. Where does the class go from here. The class is both completely Freeform and incredibly rigid in its skills. You could give like a manafont 2 that allows for an entire second fire phase rather than just an extra fire 4+despair or a second charge of manawall but neither really does a whole lot (if anything increasing manafont actually reduces its expression because then you are just encouraged to do back to back fire phases like the change to RDM)

Eventually jobs that remain static get stuck. Sure ShB SMN->EW SMN went in the other direction to the extreme but remaining static doesn’t always work either

Yoshi P calling me directly to redesign healers.

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Originally Posted by missTori

True they get stuck, but thats why we have like 20 other jobs to play when you want something different. It is just weird getting used to shadowbringers summoner with the DoTs and then you go back to play it again and it's different lol.

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Even if a job hits 'perfection', it will be imploded at some point, and not even talking about button bloat, but actual design room. XIV is honestly terrible with 'future proofing' their jobs because of how tight their job system turns out to be with the 2min meta and all, plus the leveling system is vertical.

Regarding of how big or small, there's always something /new/ to look forward to, and they just run out of conceptual space at some point. I'll put Lilybell and Macrocosmos as an example - those two are really overkill healing actions that I personally think they add just bloat to their kit.

Design is a process, not an end goal which means job designs should, and will always be in flux to some degree.

Honestly of the level 90 healer skills (and arguably the 86 ones) the only one that really distinguishes itself is expedient because of its unique effect and they fully admitted expedient was an accident

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Honestly of the level 90 healer skills (and arguably the 86 ones) the only one that really distinguishes itself is expedient because of its unique effect and they fully admitted expedient was an accident

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It's so ironic that Expedient was meme'd to death upon its reveal by the community as well, and turned out to be such a strong and cool action that it even had to be nerfed - and still remains one of the most useful utilities of the game that is applicable in a ton of situations. It speaks volumes on how they don't want to go outside of their boundaries if they admitted it was an accident.

SMN gets the three missing summons. Distinct, swap-ins for T/I/G, or purely cosmetic; don't matter which, I just want them sorted once and for all.
Protect and Stoneskin(along with their traits) re-added to WHM.
Mudras on NIN client-side, only the fact you initiated, and final ability are sent to the server as such. No more lag rabbits.
This is a trick question, I have no expectations for the LL because I assume it's all traits that upgrade animations, glue an extra effect onto the old ability, and potency shifts. Also, the animations were datamined from the benchmark or whatever and posted on various sites.

Remove all the healing tanks do, so healers actually have to heal in DT.
Some forced tutorial for newer players teaching them basic mechanics, because what i've seen this playerbase turn into this expansion almost made me quit.

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Originally Posted by Wolwosh

Some forced tutorial for newer players teaching them basic mechanics, because what i've seen this playerbase turn into this expansion almost made me quit.

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It feels like insult to injury that we currently have two tutorial systems already-- Guildhests and the Hall of the Novice-- and they are both woefully out of date

To my knowledge, at least

Guildhests you smash so hard through you hardly have to participate. I mean more like what is astack marker. Tank the boss North etc. So we get less Dancers in max lvl dungeons that single target while i'm tanking 20 mobs:)

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Originally Posted by Raikai

It's so ironic that Expedient was meme'd to death upon its reveal by the community as well, and turned out to be such a strong and cool action that it even had to be nerfed - and still remains one of the most useful utilities of the game that is applicable in a ton of situations. It speaks volumes on how they don't want to go outside of their boundaries if they admitted it was an accident.

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I find it funny the skill that makes you move faster is more well-received than any of the other healing skills...if that doesn't say anything about how healers are atm, I don't know what will. I, to this day, still find it memeworthy for that fact alone.

I wish for more ogcds like Expedient or GCD-modifying abilities like Thin Air and Deployment/Emergency Tactics. The game is already teeming with direct healing that adding more is wasteful.

Unrealistic expectation: Turn down the excessive flashiness so we can actually see the enemies from time to time.

Summoner cosolidating its two different single target and aoe fillers into a single button each. Really weird that ruin and tri-disaster don't just turn ruin into whatever your current summon's abilities are, when they do for bahamut and phoenix. After purging that weird bloat, perhaps adding a button or two that adds some depth to the rotation.

I'd also like to see 3 new summons that alternate like bahamut and phoenix. Like: Bahamut->Ifrit->Garuda->Titan->Phoenix->Ramuh->Shiva->Leviathan or some such. Wouldn't add much other than flavor but it'd be neat to see more than the same 3 summons we've had forever.

For red mage i wouldn't mind if some things got added outside of the melee combo. It just gets bigger every expansion. They could consolidate Jolt/Verfire/Verstone into a single button to free up some binds some new non-combo buttons?. Can do that with a macro right now but it's janky. Or maybe they can just add more charges of Contre Sixte/Fleche. Red mage is pretty solid in design right now, so not much should be done tbh.

Edit: Or just make combat macros queueable for the people who want to use them

Healers get at least 1 more damage gcd or ogcd cooldown

Unrealistic expectations :

WHM - Cure automatically become Cure II as well as Medica to Medica II (like Stone ->-> Stone III) instead of being different buttons to press, hence we can have two more slots for other actions without engorging our action bars.
Melee DPS - merge the last button actions of ones combo into a single one (ex: DRG - True thrust (button 1) => Vorpal Thrust (button 2) => Heaven's Thrust(Full Thrust) (button 3) to True thrust (button 1) => Vorpal Thrust/Heaven's Thrust(Full Thrust) (button 2)), we may save so much place on our action bars.

AST - please bring the previous version of this job with each card having their own effects (There are only 6 major arcana cards, not very much information to retain)