Shameful lack of content, Yoshi P.

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

The console players would be at a disadvantage.

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Okay where is my additional free teleportation location? Guess im not allowed to have that because im just a PC pleb not a console chad.

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Originally Posted by Shinkuno

Okay where is my additional free teleportation location? Guess im not allowed to have that because im just a PC pleb not a console chad.

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Yup. Of course, that doesn't put you at a disadvantage when it comes to things like DPS meters, does it? (And you don't have to fork over $60USD per year for the PS+ subscription).

Do people still pay for TP costs? Forgot what those were. Game literally throws Aetheryte Tickets at you.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

Do people still pay for TP costs? Forgot what those were. Game literally throws Aetheryte Tickets at you.

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Yes, but only for transports that cost more than 1k gil. You can get 20 Aetheryte tickets per week by merely killing your Grand Company B-level elite mark and turning the reward in.

Guild Wars 2 just got a "big" patch yesterday too, it's about 5% of XIV's content, lol. I barely had to scroll down to read the full patch notes. Some new story most people finished in an hour... Nothing else. After 3 months of waiting. Yikes. :(

We are so lucky in XIV because we get a huge amount of content compared to other MMOs, I don't even understand the whiners, tbh.

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Originally Posted by Boomoo

Just going to say it… FFXIV content is lacking and telling the player base to play other games is just a lazy way to get out of it. Yoshi desire of people playing other games is not only going to hurt the players, but the company also will lose customers.

Example: playing Zelda while in a live letter is extremely lazy.

Some of us players want to play FFXIV and do actual content. Take a look at the new pvp weapons, that is lazy and minimal effort is in them. “They now have a glow” like seriously? Same wep but glowy? How is that enticing?

Point is Yoshi shouldn’t pawn players off to other games while having such low effort put in.

Not everyone is RP or wanting to RP, club hopping in a game isn’t content.

With that all said I hope yoshi stops killing this game. It’s basically a second life emulator now.

Yuck!

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Quit & unsub, they will wake up.

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Originally Posted by Erinellza

Guild Wars 2 just got a "big" patch yesterday too, it's about 5% of XIV's content, lol. I barely had to scroll down to read the full patch notes. Some new story most people finished in an hour... Nothing else. After 3 months of waiting. Yikes. :(

We are so lucky in XIV because we get a huge amount of content compared to other MMOs, I don't even understand the whiners, tbh.

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Not only does GW2 make a fraction of the money FF14 does, its also not a sub based MMO. Not to mention FF14 patch content isnt worth talking about either, 2 hours of MSQ (which is, 20 minutes of gameplay, the rest is picking your nose watching cutscenes)

But ultimately, "but other game bad" is a shit defense. Always has been, always will be. WoW gets more content in a x.5 patch than FF14 gets in a .x0 patch. What you have to say about that? Since you like comparing games.

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Originally Posted by Erinellza

Guild Wars 2 just got a "big" patch yesterday too, it's about 5% of XIV's content, lol. I barely had to scroll down to read the full patch notes. Some new story most people finished in an hour... Nothing else. After 3 months of waiting. Yikes. :(

We are so lucky in XIV because we get a huge amount of content compared to other MMOs, I don't even understand the whiners, tbh.

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this is some serious copium right there lmao, totally no bias at all too, also the MSQ I finished in under an hour too, that includes the dungeon and the trial, so?

Part of the issue is that unlike in Shadowbringers, they aren't making content as integrated with the main systems of the game so they start lacking purpose. They are adding housing into the island sanctuary but unless they are going to do something with the gathering and crafting there that better integrates with actual gathering and crafting it feels like busywork. Not to mention instead of moving the prior two steps in the manderville series to poetics (which is what should have happened with the tomestones rotating), they just made them all take Astronomy. That was a serious face slap moment right there considering now you can't even go and do retro content to get the freaking materials for an outdated weapon. No, we got to all go do the sparse content the game has to offer and put up with completely garbage mouse wheel stuff.

Not to mention this puts pressure on a single overused tomestone, because that same tomestone is used for materials used in all crafted gear.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

also the MSQ I finished in under an hour too, that includes the dungeon and the trial, so?

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Can be done if you skip scenes and rush on purpose. And that's on you.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

this is some serious copium right there lmao, totally no bias at all too, also the MSQ I finished in under an hour too, that includes the dungeon and the trial, so?

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So basically you skipped everything.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

So basically you skipped everything.

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I mean if everything this patch has to offer is the boring MSQ, then yeah I did ? Was that worth waiting 4 months for ? Lol

Raid is decent however, dungeon was boring as expected, mobs hit for absolutely nothing as per usual, trial was meh but not too bad

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Originally Posted by Boomoo

Just going to say it… FFXIV content is lacking and telling the player base to play other games is just a lazy way to get out of it. Yoshi desire of people playing other games is not only going to hurt the players, but the company also will lose customers.

Example: playing Zelda while in a live letter is extremely lazy.

Some of us players want to play FFXIV and do actual content. Take a look at the new pvp weapons, that is lazy and minimal effort is in them. “They now have a glow” like seriously? Same wep but glowy? How is that enticing?

Point is Yoshi shouldn’t pawn players off to other games while having such low effort put in.

Not everyone is RP or wanting to RP, club hopping in a game isn’t content.

With that all said I hope yoshi stops killing this game. It’s basically a second life emulator now.

Yuck!

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he was playing zelda b4 the live letter, not's while doing, it's not lazy. If anything, it's the opposite he's finding time that he has very little of to play a game he wants to play. which could also inspire new ideas for 14. Why are you trying to police someone's free time and insult them for being friendly with their player base?

You aren't even lvl 90 how can you say their is a lack of content in the game?????????????

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Originally Posted by Shinkuno

Not only does GW2 make a fraction of the money FF14 does, its also not a sub based MMO. Not to mention FF14 patch content isnt worth talking about either, 2 hours of MSQ (which is, 20 minutes of gameplay, the rest is picking your nose watching cutscenes)

But ultimately, "but other game bad" is a shit defense. Always has been, always will be. WoW gets more content in a x.5 patch than FF14 gets in a .x0 patch. What you have to say about that? Since you like comparing games.

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It isn't a "shit defense" if you are literally putting out more than other games it means you are leading the market, so that literally makes them the highest output game if this is true. It's not enough for me, means you have problems video games in general. You also have to think about the fact that this is an mmo with countless hours of stuff to do, if every patch is bogged down in hundereds of hours we will never get to play the game and our friends will never catch up. we split our content into .0 and .5 patchs. As far a show much stuff is added stuff is for main scenario, and .5 is for all the extra which we have a lot of coming in 2 months, In fact the .6 patch will have more content than this .0 patch which is actually fairly normal for 14, because they want to give you time to do stuff. Next week is savage so raiders wont have time to do anything for the next month except raid and thats 4+ months of content on its own, so how is there nothing new? it's like you dont play this game. I highly doubt all of you have every content in this game done, their is so much backlog on here. So if youare in the top 10% of points on this game grats, same we like to do stuff. Doesn't change that there is so much in this game to do currently if you are complaining about lack of stuff in patch. It's simply because you don't actually play the whole game, there is so much to this game that isn't just, this came out now.

I have a feeling their metric data is what will steer them. Not forum posts.

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Originally Posted by Shinkuno

But ultimately, "but other game bad" is a shit defense. Always has been, always will be.

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Everything is a "shit defence" to you whiners. *shrugs* Fun fact: there is no other MMO that gets more content than XIV. QQ more.

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Originally Posted by Erinellza

Everything is a "shit defence" to you whiners. *shrugs* Fun fact: there is no other MMO that gets more content than XIV. QQ more.

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I don't want to argue, but that's not really a fact.

People will take you more seriously if you're humble with what we have instead of blowing it out of proportion.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

I mean if everything this patch has to offer is the boring MSQ, then yeah I did ? Was that worth waiting 4 months for ? Lol

Raid is decent however, dungeon was boring as expected, mobs hit for absolutely nothing as per usual, trial was meh but not too bad

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Originally Posted by Ransu

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GOTTEM HAHAHAHAHAHA

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Originally Posted by Ransu

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Yeah just unsub how dare anyone have any feedback based on the content coming out! How dare you insult OUR ffxiv mmorpg! You have to like everything about it or unsub! Weh!

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Originally Posted by Archeron

Yeah just unsub how dare anyone have any feedback based on the content coming out! How dare you insult OUR ffxiv mmorpg! You have to like everything about it or unsub! Weh!

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While it isn't exactly the right thing to tell people, it kind of is the right thing for people who find absolutely nothing good about the game. If people are at a point where they have no positive things to say about the game they are paying a monthly fee for, they should probably speak with their wallet and stop giving money to a company that likely only hears about 1/10 of the complaints posted on the forums. Quite likely due to the fact we end up with 50+ threads of the exact same complaint, that all die off after 2-3 pages - so it appears there isn't a cohesive complaint about it - rather than a 100+ page complaint thread where it is easier to track the reasonings. Companies are more likely to take note of big issues if a lot of people who participated in certain contain just up and vanish, or if large threads with one topic end up becoming common place.

Throw the troll threads into the mix, and any legitimate complaints within that thread get dismissed more often than not because of the reputation of the OP.

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Originally Posted by Archeron

Yeah just unsub how dare anyone have any feedback based on the content coming out! How dare you insult OUR ffxiv mmorpg! You have to like everything about it or unsub! Weh!

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It’s honestly not about their feedback, it’s that they are incredibly rude and call anyone who disagrees rude names like bootlicker. Often without even reading what other people wrote.

It’s unproductive, unfriendly and unnecessary. Whether they enjoy the content or not is irrelevant to me.

To anyone who says I’m not 90 “how do I know the lack of content”?

TBH no idea how to set characters in this forum?

This patch was NOT worth the renew or waiting 4 months. The MSQ is dull and the raid, while it has a good soundtrack it isn’t worth waiting months for. The sanctuary island concept is also not fun for me.

If people can’t take criticism to their beloved mmo then ok? Enjoy your social life emulator.

I’m displeased with how the game is going, I hope they fix it because I liked FF very much. I am certain besides the loud fan wagon, that not everyone is happy with the lack of content or the unprofessional Zelda at the news letter.

Personally I’ll take yoshi advice and go play Diablo 4. Post Endwalker has been a complete let down on SE end and they need fresh new ideas to fix it.

But here’s hoping they’ll work on it.

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Originally Posted by Boomoo

To anyone who says I’m not 90 “how do I know the lack of content”?

TBH no idea how to set characters in this forum?

This patch was NOT worth the renew or waiting 4 months. The MSQ is dull and the raid, while it has a good soundtrack it isn’t worth waiting months for. The sanctuary island concept is also not fun for me.

If people can’t take criticism to their beloved mmo then ok? Enjoy your social life emulator.

I’m displeased with how the game is going, I hope they fix it because I liked FF very much. I am certain besides the loud fan wagon, that not everyone is happy with the lack of content or the unprofessional Zelda at the news letter.

Personally I’ll take yoshi advice and go play Diablo 4. Post Endwalker has been a complete let down on SE end and they need fresh new ideas to fix it.

But here’s hoping they’ll work on it.

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Quick question. What did this game do previously that held your retention during a patch cycle?

And please for the love of god if you actually say Bozja/Eureka I swear to Hydaelyn I will electronically body slam you so far hard into the ground until everyone in this godsforsaken forum understands to get off their nostalgia glasses and realize that exploratory content was dull, boring, meaningless and the progression can be just as done as how any other content patch cycle which is about a few days or a week even casually.

Enjoyable story, raids, feast, Bozja/Eureka, dungeons etc.. all that lack in quality post endwalker.

Please don’t be cringe an say “Hydaelyn” again…

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Originally Posted by Boomoo

Enjoyable story, raids, feast, Bozja/Eureka, dungeons etc.. all that lack in quality post endwalker.

Please don’t be cringe an say “Hydaelyn” again…

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Ok um lets go over these points of yours one by one:

1. Enjoyable Story? Yeah buddy, Story is just story. Its a one and done thing and if you havent realized the length of story through patch cycle has been closely the same damn length. If you're complaining that the current one is bad, then ok thats fine. But If we're arguing about "content" then story isnt one of these points as it has been consistently the same experience in previous patches.

2. Raids. Again, if you actually pay attention to content release patch cycle, the game has been releasing alliance and normal raids at the same rate in post-expansions. What the hell did Ivalice/Omega + Nier/Eden did differently in its design to warrant retention?

3. Feast. And now its been traded for Crystalline Conflict and seasonal pvp rewards system with EW. In this case, we gained +1 reason to do more pvp because of it besides just exp and achievements.

4. Bozja/Eureka. I'll be amazon prime one body slam, coming your way. Bozja and Eureka are NOT good retention content. If you actually bother to check the forums during the SB/ShB era, you'll realize there were more strife than fun to be had. Also I actually tested how quickly I can get to progress one zone at a time within a given patch of its release via an alt. Guess what? I was right, you actually can do everything within a week or so in single zone of Eureka or Bozja. Hardly enough retention time to warrant the 4 months as you also claim.

5. Dungeons. It really sucks that we dont get extra optional dungeons anymore ever since Shb. Although I also argue that the extra dungeon content pre-Shb didnt do much to retain players anyway, because like everything else in this game, things are a one and done deal for most of it. The reason anyone would want more dungeons is to flavor up the game's world and to add more varied dungeon content at the roulette but nobody is going to just spam dungeons (besides glam runs) for the fun of it. There's no lasting system attached to it for endgame progression like Mythic+ which gets cycled in seasons (an idea I wish FFXIV adopted somehow).

All in all, you have failed to properly explain what any of these in previous expansions actually held retention. Because by the looks of it, the quality and systems are the exact same as Endwalker's.

Sorry too long to read or care. If you’re bitching about quality being good enough? Then that’s your opinion but you have low standards.

Don’t be cringe seriously.

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Originally Posted by Boomoo

Sorry too long to read or care. If you’re bitching about quality being good enough? Then that’s your opinion but you have low standards.

Don’t be cringe seriously.

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Oh wow, already twisting your own narrative? I thought this was about retention but now you''re going back and arguing about quality?

Its so easy to see somebody get backed into a corner with their pants down and trying so hard to save face.

If this is about quality, then alright lets entertain that. Same question, Different subject. What exactly did previous expansions do that had better quality? Hopefully you can give me something more substantial than just listing the content.

Bro read the before post I said quality. Stop being cringe and throwing a tantrum.

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Originally Posted by Boomoo

Bro read the before post I said quality. Stop being cringe and throwing a tantrum.

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The fact that you continue to repeat the word "cringe" as a defense mechanism is pathetic in itself.

I thought you were actually being genuine with your criticism and I was willing to take you seriously but I guess thats on me thinking you actually had value in your posts.

Ok buddy, you got 2700 posts and all are fan boy defense. You are the very definition of cringe.

I made my criticism and you dislike. It’s ok no more tantrums please.

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Originally Posted by Boomoo

Ok buddy, you got 2700 posts and all are fan boy defense. You are the very definition of cringe.

I made my criticism and you dislike. It’s ok no more tantrums please.

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He/she hasn't said anything incorrect though. For the most part EW has the exact same cadence of content. Nothing's really changed, but a lot of people are suddenly complaining about it out of nowhere. They are also correct that Eureka and Bozja were wildly unpopular at release. I hated Bozja with every fiber of my being and wanted a new deep dungeon over it and we got exactly that this expansion and I'm quite happy with it.

My only complaint this expansion is the failure of the new variant/criterion dungeons, because they are extremely fun, but there's no carrot to draw people in to play them. They could have easily been a mythic+ type content or some kind of midcore end game progression if SE wasn't so afraid of changing their gear progression system.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

And please for the love of god if you actually say Bozja/Eureka I swear to Hydaelyn I will electronically body slam you so far hard into the ground until everyone in this godsforsaken forum understands to get off their nostalgia glasses and realize that exploratory content was dull, boring, meaningless and the progression can be just as done as how any other content patch cycle which is about a few days or a week even casually.

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You aren't even there to do it when it's current content ?_?

Bozja was some of the best content that we got, with duels, 3 48-man raids, 1 Savage 48-man raid, and a few interesting CEs. It also offered Lost actions which significantly changed how certain jobs play like WAR + Blood Rage, BLM + Chainspell etc, honestly that in itself is excellent content

Then again I understand 90% of you white knights get a panic attack if someone says hi to you so having an instance full of people and huge raids will push you into depression or some shit

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

And stop trying to be an Edgy Bully. Its getting pretty Dull man. Its not even clever, its just insulting people for no reason.

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Yeah it's Getting dull To you because You are made Fun of For A change. LMAO

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Originally Posted by GaiusDrakon

Then again I understand 90% of you white knights get a panic attack if someone says hi to you so having an instance full of people and huge raids will push you into depression or some shit

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I'll keep praying for the Day you say something funny again.
And stop trying to be an Edgy Bully. Its getting pretty Dull man. Its not even clever, its just insulting people for no reason.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

He/she hasn't said anything incorrect though. For the most part EW has the exact same cadence of content. Nothing's really changed, but a lot of people are suddenly complaining about it out of nowhere. They are also correct that Eureka and Bozja were wildly unpopular at release. I hated Bozja with every fiber of my being and wanted a new deep dungeon over it and we got exactly that this expansion and I'm quite happy with it.

My only complaint this expansion is the failure of the new variant/criterion dungeons, because they are extremely fun, but there's no carrot to draw people in to play them. They could have easily been a mythic+ type content or some kind of midcore end game progression if SE wasn't so afraid of changing their gear progression system.

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I didn't bother to read the text wall they made, so I dunno. Eureka, Bozja though hate or love. I personally liked it, I agree a mythic+ system would be cool.

I personally just see a lack of effort in the quality of the story post EW and Omega/Ivalice/Nier etc. seemed way more interesting quest wise and more fun.

PvP has always been more my forte and I think Feast was a good mode for hardcore players, I personally dont find CC fun. Mainly because its an overwatch simulator. I prefer arena style combat.

Anyhow, like I said I feel there's lack of effort/quality.

Perhaps instead of playing other games, yoshi p should put more effort in FFXIV content.

Mythic+ is a good idea though.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

He/she hasn't said anything incorrect though. For the most part EW has the exact same cadence of content. Nothing's really changed, but a lot of people are suddenly complaining about it out of nowhere. They are also correct that Eureka and Bozja were wildly unpopular at release. I hated Bozja with every fiber of my being and wanted a new deep dungeon over it and we got exactly that this expansion and I'm quite happy with it.

My only complaint this expansion is the failure of the new variant/criterion dungeons, because they are extremely fun, but there's no carrot to draw people in to play them. They could have easily been a mythic+ type content or some kind of midcore end game progression if SE wasn't so afraid of changing their gear progression system.

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It's the exact same cadence of content? In what world? Each patch is taking weeks to months longer then before EW and each one has less content then ever. Looking back fondly at Stormblood where we got Hildibrand, engaging relics, Eureka, a deep dungeon, more trial and dungeon content, AND two ultimates. EW is a joke in comparison.

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

It's the exact same cadence of content? In what world? Each patch is taking weeks to months longer then before EW and each one has less content then ever. Looking back fondly at Stormblood where we got Hildibrand, engaging relics, Eureka, a deep dungeon, more trial and dungeon content, AND two ultimates. EW is a joke in comparison.

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They took months between each major patch in SB... So I dunno what the hell you're on about there. EW has extended the patch cycles by a single week, so yes, its the same damn cadence. We've gotten different type of content, but the amount of content released is literally identical.

Also, "engaging relics" is debateable lmao. I'll take the current relics over that crap. Eureka was boring garbage and nothing more than a grind for the sake of a grind. Good riddance.

I really really miss Boz. I would log in for hours every day for that. I did everything except the duels and got that sweet Cerberus mount. I can’t say the same for this relic grind, I’ve had all 90’s since like week 4 of endwalker, so doing the roulette grind again sucks for me. Other than that I feel like things are the same as they always are, and I’ve played since 2.0 beta.

My complaints with the game start and end with the lobotomization of combat/raids, not the amount of content.

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Originally Posted by Picker

I really really miss Boz. I would log in for hours every day for that. I did everything except the duels and got that sweet Cerberus mount. I can’t say the same for this relic grind, I’ve had all 90’s since like week 4 of endwalker, so doing the roulette grind again sucks for me. Other than that I feel like things are the same as they always are, and I’ve played since 2.0 beta.

My complaints with the game start and end with the lobotomization of combat/raids, not the amount of content.

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I never wanna see bozja again lol.