Yoshi-P: Flippant dismissal of player criticism is a poor look for a lead developer.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

It is this exact dismissive attitude that many players are starting to take umbrage with.

Healer criticism? Go play Ultimate (despite the Ultimates being able to be solo healed)

Glamour Criticism? Instead of fixing a broken system, we just simply made it bigger.
Take what we give you and like it.

I get it. You're stuck with the resources you have and the engine you're working with, but flippantly dismissing player criticisms over a system they find subpar is simply a bad look.

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I don't even recognize the man anymore. Sure, the server weight is heavy but at least allowing the armoire to hold all DOW/DOM/DOL/DOH job sets would clear up a lot of the clutter.

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

I don't even recognize the man anymore. Sure, the server weight is heavy but at least allowing the armoire to hold all DOW/DOM/DOL/DOH job sets would clear up a lot of the clutter.

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Comparing the older Live Letters with the newer ones you can definitely say that again.

The armoire functions differently than the glamour dresser. That's why it can't do the same function and is reserved for certain items only.

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

The armoire functions differently than the glamour dresser. That's why it can't do the same function and is reserved for certain items only.

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On that note, we don't even need the armorer anymore with the reworked calamity salvage, not as a way to "store" item at least since you can always claim a copy from the calamity salvager. But then it's not link to the plate and I guess people want to keep different color variant.

Frankly, there are quite a few overlap in this process that I don't think the issue is about "storing gear so you don't have to earn them again". Instead of just expanding capacity, they should just think of a way to streamline it.

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

The armoire functions differently than the glamour dresser. That's why it can't do the same function and is reserved for certain items only.

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And what, exactly, makes an item storeable in the armoire or not?

Not to be flippant about it, but I think I spot Karen(s)

Glamour dresser full. 10 retainers, 7 filled with glamour, other 3 needed for non-glamour stuff. I'm gonna fill those extra 400 slots and still complain about not have enough space. Just the way it goes!

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Originally Posted by Thamorian

Glamour dresser full. 10 retainers, 7 filled with glamour, other 3 needed for non-glamour stuff. I'm gonna fill those extra 400 slots and still complain about not have enough space. Just the way it goes!

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Absolute first point: This is not an attempt to discredit those who wish for more space or invalidate a playstyle



But....

How often do you use those stored items. Like all of them?

I think the banter after his joke said something like "wheres the system that gets rid of items that are unused" and I'm curious if people are aware of just how little they use ALL the stuff they're sitting on... or if there are actually people who cycle through the literal thousands of items it's possible for us to hold with fully expanded storage.

This comes off as being eager to find fault, or simply to plaster damaging stance on a public forum for its own sake. Think about the title chosen. Not "I felt the statement made light of a serious issue for me" but a declaration; a forgone judgement of someone down to including how he should be viewed by others. It invites no discussion, no room for doubt that maybe you're off your rocker. Even if someone does get you to loosen your sphincter the damage clearly desired is done.

However, I don't honestly believe you are so uptight that a beneign statement like that is enough to send you to a public forum. This speaks of a familiar style of attack because you believe retribution is in order. And don't get it twisted. The way you presented your post was nothing short of targeted slander akin to an article from Kotaku. If we weren't so drama starved it'd get buried by something more substantial but here we are.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

It's not a bad camp. Everyone is well-mannered, and non-bigoted. They also serve treats everyday at 3pm and we have pizza Fridays.

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Oh I'm not saying that camp is bad. It's just used as an insult here is all. Also pizza Fridays sounds guud

I'm really sleepy. Uhmmm tbh. No offense, truly truly. I know this is me we're talking about but no offense. This kinda sounds obsessed with him. Like, to the point of trying to control his facial expressions even. Why are we arguing over his tone. Kinda reminds me of like, those super creepy fans of idols who get pissed when their favorite idol stops smiling for two seconds. but like the opposite of that. Like..wtf guys did you see yoshi there cracking a JOKE??? He should be WORKING! APOLOGIZING, HUMBLING HIMSELF like omg relax. You stare at his face more than his mother did when he was born, enough is enough. Its ok to complain about the game and to complain when he blatantly says 'meh i dont care!' but if he says a little joke it is not the end of the world. Man cant even breathe slightly harder than usual at his own humor in peace. Man cracks a smile and we gotta hear about it for the next week, sigh

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

Absolute first point: This is not an attempt to discredit those who wish for more space or invalidate a playstyle



But....

How often do you use those stored items. Like all of them?

I think the banter after his joke said something like "wheres the system that gets rid of items that are unused" and I'm curious if people are aware of just how little they use ALL the stuff they're sitting on... or if there are actually people who cycle through the literal thousands of items it's possible for us to hold with fully expanded storage.

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The system however is forcing us to sit on those items as well. Is there a way to reclaim Alexander job sets if I trash them? Ivalice? Eden?

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

The system however is forcing us to sit on those items as well. Is there a way to reclaim Alexander job sets if I trash them? Ivalice? Eden?

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You don't need all those sets. On an unrelated note, for a single dollar a month you can purchase the license for an additional retainer with more storage space! :^)

It won't even take 3 months for people to complain that the dresser space isn't enough. I give it a month, tops.

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

You don't need all those sets. On an unrelated note, for a single dollar a month you can purchase the license for an additional retainer with more storage space! :^)

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Need them? No. But some of these items are from great investments in time and personal achievements. Do I need the ugliest ultimate weapons of all time from DSR? No. But I'm sure as hell not throwing them out either. For TEA, the bis for monk were some gloves that dropped from Heroes Gauntlett. I ran that 55 times for those gloves to drop, it was a nightmare. There's no other way to get them, if I discard them then I'd have to do it all over again if I joined another TEA group.

This is why the system is so ridiculous and why people are so angry that they keep bandaid fixing with "more space". No one actually wants to keep 800 items on hand. We want a system like every other freaking mmo where the game recognizes you've had an item before and you can get it back if you wished.

Aka the thing everyone has been asking for for a decade. A glamour log.

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

You don't need all those sets. On an unrelated note, for a single dollar a month you can purchase the license for an additional retainer with more storage space! :^)

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Maybe I do maybe I don't. I may not use them today but I might use them tomorrow for a glamour option. If I trash them then I have to spend the time trying to earn them back. Not sure why SE can't just make these a collectable and add it to the calamity salvager.

Also on the unrelated note, I shouldn't have to spend more money for storage of item. The way inflation is going, dollars are something you can't just throw away anymore. Not even FFXIV is recession proof.

When you have no rebuttal or actual argument, result to personal attacks it seems:

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Originally Posted by Neoyoshi

Not to be flippant about it, but I think I spot Karen(s)

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

Well someone discovered their inner karen today, would you like to speak to the manager?

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Originally Posted by PurplePickle

Relax Karen

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

You are a living example of problems in translation.

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Originally Posted by Poporito_Popoto

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Originally Posted by Shuuli

Even though hoarding is something very specifically basic nature for many gamers, dismissing something on this basis in this case is just defying logic.

I tell you why. There is simply, just more and more content in the game. Not just the ingame new gearsets that you can get, but also, the store is getting continuously expanded. Which means, by basic logic, that you would need more space to store your older item. We are not just talking about full gear sets, but to keep the option to mix and match.

They could fix this issue by changing the system but that would take time and effort and accepting the fact that what they have now is not suitable for a long run. Imagine this game 10 years from now on with the amount of periodical new gearsets we get? You would be able to store, statistically, less and less percent of the potential glam that you could have. (100/10 vs 10000/10 is different percent you see, and when we would reach that phase they would say that "woops, there is a problem here".)

I have my thoughts on why they do not want to change this system and that is that this encourages people to buy more retainers which is more money for them on monthly basis. But retainers are just not solving the issue as most people find it very painstaking to go through 4-5 menues to glam the items from the retainers. We could be able to reach retainers from glam dresser, and this would solve a big part of the issue, and would still keep their money. But they perhaps did not think about this solution or again - just do not care to think about it.

We cannot know for sure why they treat this topic in this way. This is just my theory. I personally do not care what they say, I am happy about the extension, but this was just something logical not something I would bow down and praise them for.

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This is pretty much my take as well. They are financially incentivized to keep the current system so why would they "fix it" even if they know it's unsustainable.

Hell they probably could have taken the money they've made on retainers over the past 10 years and funded a team solely for the glam work but here we are passing the buck down the road again.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

When you have no rebuttal or actual argument, result to personal attacks it seems:














This is pretty much my take as well. They are financially incentivized to keep the current system so why would they "fix it" even if they know it's unsustainable.

Hell they probably could have taken the money they've made on retainers over the past 10 years and funded a team solely for the glam work but here we are passing the buck down the road again.

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There is no rebuttal to be had when you actively and routinely try to find an excuse to be upset, most especially when it is not rational to do so. This is basically just inviting people to exacerbate the issue, because you know, it's easy to poke the bear.

The developers made a joke and you get upset either out of a blunt translation (vibe and tone don't translate well) or just for the sake of it. It's that simple.

Considering Yoshi-P's general demeanor during Live Letters, the fact that something like this is even a thread is just hilarious. To pretty much everyone who's been around for a while and seen a letter live or two, Yoshi-P is light-hearted. There's a reason there's so many meme jokes and pictures of the guy. When Yoshi-P is serious about something even those of us that can't understand Japanese at all can tell.

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Originally Posted by Irenia

As much of an issue I have with the work being done in FF, I do believe they are working on good faith. That is, given the situation, this is what they believe is best.

I can't wait for the reasoning behind job changes, though, since we can have more directed criticism, and it helps people decide clearly what they like and dislike about the direction of things.

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I doubt they are working in good faith. I think they are deciding what is best and not taking player's views into consideration, and you see this at different levels in SE. From shutting the servers on the Fourth to doubling down on blockchain when the players really don't want that. It's a theme in SE

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

When you have no rebuttal or actual argument

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How can others give you an actual argument when you presented none?

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Originally Posted by SomeRandomHuman

Considering Yoshi-P's general demeanor during Live Letters, the fact that something like this is even a thread is just hilarious. To pretty much everyone who's been around for a while and seen a letter live or two, Yoshi-P is light-hearted. There's a reason there's so many meme jokes and pictures of the guy. When Yoshi-P is serious about something even those of us that can't understand Japanese at all can tell.

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The problem with this issue in particular is it really feels like Yoshi and the team do not truly understand what players are asking for. Like, I just want to tell them, do you know what players would do for a glamour log? They'd log on every single day, run every single peice of content just to fill it out.

Could you imagine like, if you got every single peice from ARR for example, it unlocked the glamours for all roles? (Aside from AF). Dude, people would run that FOREVER.

We have these systems, the dream suite, the glamour plates, other types of logs with check marks to show you've collected that item. It's all there, it's in the game. Can they not see that we want them to just put all that together? No one is asking for more space, it just feels like they are constantly missing the point.

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Originally Posted by Tigerlilley

The problem with this issue in particular is it really feels like Yoshi and the team do not truly understand what players are asking for. Like, I just want to tell them, do you know what players would do for a glamour log? They'd log on every single day, run every single peice of content just to fill it out.

Could you imagine like, if you got every single peice from ARR for example, it unlocked the glamours for all roles? (Aside from AF). Dude, people would run that FOREVER.

We have these systems, the dream suite, the glamour plates, other types of logs with check marks to show you've collected that item. It's all there, it's in the game. Can they not see that we want them to just put all that together? No one is asking for more space, it just feels like they are constantly missing the point.

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The problem with this thread is it's taking issue with something that's not. No one ever said they didn't want more glamour inventory. No one ever said they didn't want more inventory. What this thread is doing is raising a ruckus for the same of a ruckus.

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Originally Posted by SomeRandomHuman

The problem with this thread is it's taking issue with something that's not. No one ever said they didn't want more glamour inventory. No one ever said they didn't want more inventory. What this thread is doing is raising a ruckus for the same of a ruckus.

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This thread is taking issue that Yoshi appeared to be mocking a valid sore point from the community and it was not well received by OP. And honestly, I agree, it was too on the nose.

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Originally Posted by Tigerlilley

This thread is taking issue that Yoshi appeared to be mocking a valid sore point from the community and it was not well received by OP. And honestly, I agree, it was too on the nose.

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Then I suggest you take a step back and think about how serious you're taking a video game.

At this rate we won't be getting live letters anymore since everything the devs say likes to be taken in the most-offencive way possible.

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Originally Posted by Wombatmetal

I doubt they are working in good faith. I think they are deciding what is best and not taking player's views into consideration, and you see this at different levels in SE. From shutting the servers on the Fourth to doubling down on blockchain when the players really don't want that. It's a theme in SE

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Said Blockchain is not in FFXIV, and they shut down the servers on July 4th for scheduled Maintenance.
Calling this Bad Faith is very....silly.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

When you have no rebuttal or actual argument, result to personal attacks it seems:

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This, from the guy who says:

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Stop white knighting, it's not like they don't have the resources to do this.

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Originally Posted by SomeRandomHuman

Then I suggest you take a step back and think about how serious you're taking a video game.

At this rate we won't be getting live letters anymore since everything the devs say likes to be taken in the most-offencive way possible.

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This forum exists for community feedback and discussion on said video game. This thread is community feedback and discussion. Just because we might be hurting your fweelings doesn't mean the conversation isn't valid.

"It's just a game" is a poor rebuttal on an official video game forum.

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Originally Posted by Tigerlilley

The problem with this issue in particular is it really feels like Yoshi and the team do not truly understand what players are asking for. Like, I just want to tell them, do you know what players would do for a glamour log? They'd log on every single day, run every single peice of content just to fill it out.

Could you imagine like, if you got every single peice from ARR for example, it unlocked the glamours for all roles? (Aside from AF). Dude, people would run that FOREVER.

We have these systems, the dream suite, the glamour plates, other types of logs with check marks to show you've collected that item. It's all there, it's in the game. Can they not see that we want them to just put all that together? No one is asking for more space, it just feels like they are constantly missing the point.

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I'm fairly certain it was said that a glamour log is currently impossible within FFXIV's infrastructure because of the amount of data it would require per character.

He's not averse to the idea, but the amount of resources it would take to work on top of the content they're already trying to put out would not be feasible given budget and time constraints.

It's not that "they're ignoring what players want" it's, "We quite literally can't given the pressure we're under and our server capacity."

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Originally Posted by Dikatis

It's not that "they're ignoring what players want" it's, "We quite literally can't given the pressure we're under and our server capacity."

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By the way, every single player will have a private customizable island and a entire new seperate inventory system for free....

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Originally Posted by Tigerlilley

By the way, every single player will have a private customizable island and a entire new seperate inventory system for free....

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I'm not in IT, so I won't presume to know how these things work, but more priority is probably going to be put on new content to keep players enticed over something that will become more or less taken for granted the minute it comes out. In all likelihood, he would have it done if he had the time and resources to do it while ALSO putting out new content on schedule given how often this question comes up.

It just feels odd to say that, "No, they SHOULD be working on this" when they're under pressure from their fanbase to keep pushing out new stuff. Then they get bombarded with complaints when they do push out something new because it's not exactly what they had in mind. Heck, the new Sil'dih Subterrane dungeons are in development precisely because people wanted some WoW-style dungeons and they've said as much.

In the end, it's responses like these that just prove Yoshi-P's complaint right that people will complain after getting this glamour dresser space upgrade. Is it a bad look for a dev to be making a sort of mocking joke/complaint? Sure. But is it warranted? Well, just look at this thread...

In the end, the devs are people too. I wouldn't really make a big deal out of one stray remark.

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Originally Posted by Tigerlilley

By the way, every single player will have a private customizable island and a entire new seperate inventory system for free....

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It's basically like using Google or Facebook to login to (idle game). It will pull a little bit of info from your character and use that with all this other stuff that's totally separate from the game.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

It's basically like using Google or Facebook to login to (idle game). It will pull a little bit of info from your character and use that with all this other stuff that's totally separate from the game.

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So why couldn't we have a glamour wardrobe like that?

I'm just saying - I'm sure there is a solution for this. They've pulled off many "impossible" things before.

Insisting we couldn't have our actions reset on a wipe was one of them. They pushed back on that for years.

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Originally Posted by Tigerlilley

So why couldn't we have a glamour wardrobe like that?

I'm just saying - I'm sure there is a solution for this. They've pulled off many "impossible" things before.

Insisting we couldn't have our actions reset on a wipe was one of them. They pushed back on that for years.

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They still haven't figured out how to put an FC chest in Ishgard without crashing the servers...

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Originally Posted by Dikatis

It's not that "they're ignoring what players want" it's, "We quite literally can't given the pressure we're under and our server capacity."

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Honestly, I don't believe him on that one. Granted I was a world builder, not a coder so take my very very rough theory with a pinch of salt. If I've got the wrong end of the stick then by all means I'd appreciate being corrected++

Working on the assumption that SE's back end is running 32bit still, lets say the game has 8000 equippable pieces of gear as a rough figure. We want a glamour log, so to cover all of that we're going to use 32bit integer arrays to flag if our character has gotten those items or not. It'll take 250 of them if I'm not mistaken. With those figures that's 1kb of additional data per character. The last total account figure I saw for FFXIV was ~40 million accounts. Let's assume that once we factor in alts, we're going to see 100 million unique characters, that's 100GB of additional data from this.

Obviously my numbers aren't going to be accurate or even close to reality, but even if I'm half or a quarter of the final figure, it's still a drop in the data centre ocean.

So what's actually going on here? Two factors IMO.

A) Having a bunch of job capped coupled with a glamour addiction results in a huge amount of inventory pressure, 800 slots is a drop in the ocean if you're hoarding gear for multiple roles. A glamour log that allows players to simply ditch 'useless' gear without fear of needing to go farm it again if it becomes useful for a glamour is going to impact demand for those extra DLC retainers.

B) Lets also not forget, SE have historically kept the purse strings exceptionally tight when it comes to running costs for online games. My 22 year old Everquest Shaman is still just a billing page away all these years later, I don't even need to do that for my WoW Shaman. Meanwhile in FFXI, unsubbing for long enough (officially 3 months) ran the risk of your entire character getting archived off the live servers, something that wasn't reversible until a good way through the game's lifespan. I've got no reason to believe that SE changed their tune with FFXIV either, the slow tick rate and slack net code are both measures used to minimise server costs.

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Originally Posted by Sebazy

Honestly, I don't believe him on that one. Granted I was a world builder, not a coder so take my very very rough theory with a pinch of salt. If I've got the wrong end of the stick then by all means I'd appreciate being corrected++

Working on the assumption that SE's back end is running 32bit still, lets say the game has 8000 equippable pieces of gear as a rough figure. We want a glamour log, so to cover all of that we're going to use 32bit integer arrays to flag if our character has gotten those items or not. It'll take 250 of them if I'm not mistaken. With those figures that's 1kb of additional data per character. The last total account figure I saw for FFXIV was ~40 million accounts. Let's assume that once we factor in alts, we're going to see 100 million unique characters, that's 100GB of additional data from this.

Obviously my numbers aren't going to be accurate or even close to reality, but even if I'm half or a quarter of the final figure, it's still a drop in the data centre ocean.

So what's actually going on here? Two factors IMO.

A) Having a bunch of job capped coupled with a glamour addiction results in a huge amount of inventory pressure, 800 slots is a drop in the ocean if you're hoarding gear for multiple roles. A glamour log that allows players to simply ditch 'useless' gear without fear of needing to go farm it again if it becomes useful for a glamour is going to impact demand for those extra DLC retainers.

B) Lets also not forget, SE have historically kept the purse strings exceptionally tight when it comes to running costs for online games. My 22 year old Everquest Shaman is still just a billing page away all these years later, I don't even need to do that for my WoW Shaman. Meanwhile in FFXI, unsubbing for long enough (officially 3 months) ran the risk of your entire character getting archived off the live servers, something that wasn't reversible until a good way through the game's lifespan. I've got no reason to believe that SE changed their tune with FFXIV either, the slow tick rate and slack net code are both measures used to minimise server costs.

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Yep. Most of the time it's not that they can't do certain things. It's that they won't. SE itself is largely to blame for this, since they insist on keeping the FF XIV team extremely small and, as you said, keeping their purse strings tight. But that doesn't excuse some of the decisions I've seen the team make over the years. Some of the problems are on them too.

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Originally Posted by Sebazy

Honestly, I don't believe him on that one. Granted I was a world builder, not a coder so take my very very rough theory with a pinch of salt. If I've got the wrong end of the stick then by all means I'd appreciate being corrected++

Working on the assumption that SE's back end is running 32bit still, lets say the game has 8000 equippable pieces of gear as a rough figure. We want a glamour log, so to cover all of that we're going to use 32bit integer arrays to flag if our character has gotten those items or not. It'll take 250 of them if I'm not mistaken. With those figures that's 1kb of additional data per character. The last total account figure I saw for FFXIV was ~40 million accounts. Let's assume that once we factor in alts, we're going to see 100 million unique characters, that's 100GB of additional data from this.

Obviously my numbers aren't going to be accurate or even close to reality, but even if I'm half or a quarter of the final figure, it's still a drop in the data centre ocean.

So what's actually going on here? Two factors IMO.

A) Having a bunch of job capped coupled with a glamour addiction results in a huge amount of inventory pressure, 800 slots is a drop in the ocean if you're hoarding gear for multiple roles. A glamour log that allows players to simply ditch 'useless' gear without fear of needing to go farm it again if it becomes useful for a glamour is going to impact demand for those extra DLC retainers.

B) Lets also not forget, SE have historically kept the purse strings exceptionally tight when it comes to running costs for online games. My 22 year old Everquest Shaman is still just a billing page away all these years later, I don't even need to do that for my WoW Shaman. Meanwhile in FFXI, unsubbing for long enough (officially 3 months) ran the risk of your entire character getting archived off the live servers, something that wasn't reversible until a good way through the game's lifespan. I've got no reason to believe that SE changed their tune with FFXIV either, the slow tick rate and slack net code are both measures used to minimise server costs.

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It's not surprising, considering this an ongoing project for who knows how many years to come. It's not cheap to maintain all that and no good company wants to resort to having ads in their MMO. I remember a huge uproar about this during EQ or EQ2 with some company named Massive or something. People need to learn to understand and accept that there's only so much you can squeeze out of these games.

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Originally Posted by Sebazy

Honestly, I don't believe him on that one. Granted I was a world builder, not a coder so take my very very rough theory with a pinch of salt. If I've got the wrong end of the stick then by all means I'd appreciate being corrected++

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Well, I won't claim I know how it works, but I can give you my 2cents as someone with coding experience: you can not look at an issue in a vacuum, not with a program this big. The question may not about "can we change this or not?". But "what will be the risk for doing it?". And I say risk, not cost for a reason. I had wrote a few training manual for programming bootcamp, and it's always something under-appreciate by people who do not work in programming. My favorite exercise is to have the trainee painstakingly build a small program, test and optimize it to work to perfection. Then ask them to change/add what seemingly a very simple and innocent function. Most trainees would thought "this is easy, I'll get it done in one evening". And I always have the privilege of enjoy watching them antagonizing over the fact not only that small change does not work the way they think it should, it often completely bone their program at seeming unrelated places as well. It's my way to teach the trainees the important of respecting content lockdown in a development circle.

Then there is the question of whether the change can be made via an extension, or requires modification to the backend of the engine. These day we tend to forget this game was resurrected from one of the worst MMO melted down in history, I sincerely doubt the core engine were created with much foresight. It may sound weird, but with the way the spaghetti nature of the the FF14 engine that I have seen so far, it's probably easier for them to give us a brand new feature rather than say ... adding an additional dye channel to our gears. I had said in my previous post there are a lot of overlap in the way gears are acquired/store/tag in this game, it's like when these system were added, they weren't really left open-ended. These things definitely have to be sorted and streamlined before something like a glamour log can be created.

And if that is something that requires modification to the back-end ... yeah, forget about asking and begging, we probably won't be able to even fundraise enough money to bribe Yoshi to do that. I'm surely Yoshi know simply improving the capacity is just a bandaid solution, and his joke can also be seen as a self-depreciating toward the inevitable futility of it. But that's still his only option because the alternative probably will have to wait until the next engine overhaul.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

It's not surprising, considering this an ongoing project for who knows how many years to come. It's not cheap to maintain all that and no good company wants to resort to having ads in their MMO. I remember a huge uproar about this during EQ or EQ2 with some company named Massive or something. People need to learn to understand and accept that there's only so much you can squeeze out of these games.

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Keep in mind that in 2020, Everquest 1 took $11.5mil in revenue, EQ2 took $6.8mil. Meanwhile FFXIV & DQX combined pulled in roughly $140million.

I think that covers 100gb of extra enterprise storage no? ;)

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

The question may not about "can we change this or not?". But "what will be the risk for doing it?".

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That's a solid point and probably the answer that Yoshida should have gone with.

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Originally Posted by Sebazy

Keep in mind that in 2020, Everquest 1 took $11.5mil in revenue, EQ2 took $6.8mil. Meanwhile FFXIV & DQX combined pulled in roughly $140million.

I think that covers 100gb of extra enterprise storage no? ;)



That's a solid point and probably the answer that Yoshida should have gone with.

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It's never as simple as just adding storage though. There's maintenance and actual real estate. I'm sure the 140 and continued revenue helped with getting these new datacenters rolled out, but even with all that money, it just couldn't happen sooner. I think we also got some more staff.

Yoshida could make that point over and over and it still wouldn't register with a lot of people. I think he actually has made some points along these lines and people are still cyncial about it, like they're holding out on us.