Ishgard Housing Details are Out

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Originally Posted by Dustytome

I have no clue how to quote a quote. Quoting you who quoted square. >.<
Q: Is there a Grand Company rank requirement to submit an entry for a free company plot?
A: No.

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This is one thing I have the biggest problem with because I have literally seen freshly made bot characters in underwear purchases houses because of this. I know it may not be a big deal for them to level up and get the their grand company rank up but they should have to jump through hoops to do this. This part kinda makes me upset because I know they keep making new characters and they don't even have to do any quests just have the permissions and gil and away they go.

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Originally Posted by Dustytome

Q: What happens if multiple free company members enter the lottery for multiple free company plots and we win more than one?
A: You will need to choose one of the winning plots and then complete the purchase procedure. The other plots will be treated as "failing to claim your plot of land during the results period despite having won the lottery" and a 50% cancellation fee will be deducted from the deposit paid at entry.

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I kind of like this but also hate this, but this is coming from someone who literally just has enough for maybe 3 houses and a small guild with only people I know irl. I am talking maybe enough for 3 smalls worth so if we were to even think about increasing our odds for 3 different plots we would be guaranteed to literally be too broke for one. It would literally be one ticket put in for 3 houses so I guess they just want whatever amount of members to throw in for one house so they don't get the penalty. Kind of strange though in a way but I do like this as well because that means the people with say 150 members will be punished for trying to bid on the entire ward at once, but does not stop them from putting in 50 tickets on 3 plots. I guess if you have the gill to spend this honestly would not disincentive those people from doing it anyway honestly.

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Originally Posted by Dustytome

Q: What happens if multiple free company members apply for one plot and win?
A: Every member holds a unique lottery number and only the member who has the winning number can proceed with the purchase. Other members will not be selected and will receive a 100% refund of the deposit paid at entry.

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So I guess what square wants is the real lottery to be what they are basing things off of where a rich person who buys 70 tickets has a better chance of winning than the shmuck who could only afford one. I don't play the lotto.(I am speaking of the lotto where your name is in one of those barrels and someone puts in 150 names against your one small piece of paper. Sure there is a chance you might get lucky and your name is picked against all odds, but the probability is like rolling a weighted dice.)

This also reminds me of the person who claimed you did not have an advantage by purchasing more retainers, but the chance of getting fat kitties increases with each fishing retainer. More retainers more chances. Sure the rng in final fantasy has left my poor partner fat kitty minion less for almost a year now, but that one time they streak positively I feel like they will end up getting 10 fat cat minions in the span of two weeks or something crazy. I think they did at the start they landed 4 fat cat minions in a row and now none for almost a year. I honestly do not know what to think about the rng in final fantasy, it is truly something else like that poor person stuck with a ton of those cute bom boko tabletop decorations that they couldn't sell, and on the other hand there was someone who couldn't get them at all.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

Not just people... characters. One can make 8 characters per service account, they can all bid.

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Aye the least they could do is make it one house per server but that would stop the ability to have a house for your character I guess for rp purposes, it would suck, but at this point there are not enough houses to begin with, so having luxuries like one house for each character is just not something you should be allowed to do. It was different in swtor because you can literally get one instance house in each area and share it with your legacy without it causing issues for other people. Everyone got one stronghold in each area so you could decorate I think it was 9 places for role play which was just....I miss that game sometimes.

What I want to know is: when we click on a placard of a plot up for sale, can we see how many ppl have already paid in to the lottery for that plot? Some might have 100, some smalls in poor spots might have 4-5. Plot should also show when the lottery roll for that plot will happen. With that info in hand, lot of ppl will be able to hold out until close to closing date to find a plot with fewer competitors to go head-to-head with for the plot.

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Originally Posted by Dagget

What I want to know is: when we click on a placard of a plot up for sale, can we see how many ppl have already paid in to the lottery for that plot? Some might have 100, some smalls in poor spots might have 4-5. Plot should also show when the lottery roll for that plot will happen. With that info in hand, lot of ppl will be able to hold out until close to closing date to find a plot with fewer competitors to go head-to-head with for the plot.

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From the page linked to on the first post:
https://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/t/61...6abbd28_10.png

It shows "Current Participants" under the Plot Details.

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Originally Posted by Dustytome

It shows "Current Participants" under the Plot Details.

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Yep, more like this though:

https://i.gyazo.com/b075bdb5684c290e...ac824af5f8.jpg

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

I promise you not all of us are paying a sub solely to keep a house. Some of us actually enjoy the rest of the game so we're paying to play.

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I'm not saying it matters if someone is subbed to keep a house or not. What I'm saying is that 400,000 plots is roughly 400,000 permanent subscribers. Soon to be 500,000 plots and 500,000 subscribers.

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You also don't have to stay constantly subbed to keep a house. Sub for a month, unsub for 6 weeks, keep rotating on that schedule. As long as you reset the timer the first and last day of your subbed month, you have nothing to worry about.

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Of course you don't have to stay subbed 100% of the time. Plenty do.

The bigger picture here is... SE is pulling in a near guaranteed 7.5M/mo after Ishgard housing is bought up. That's 90M/year from players whether they play the game or not. And keeping the housing supply tight works in their favor.

This is some back of the napkin math:

Not that long ago, I did some research about the FFXIV playerbase. Some of this is obviously estimates, but number of daily active players is somewhere around 3.5M with 35M accounts total. Obviously many of those 35M accounts are probably inactive but the 3.5M daily players aren't the same 3.5M players every day. But, why don't we go with 3.5M as a low number for the size of the playerbase. With about 70 servers, that leaves about 50,000 players per server (some servers are more crowded than others). Currently, each server has 5760 plots per server. That's roughly 1 plot for 10 active players. Not every player pursues a plot due to the current system in place.

The lottery system offers a low chance to win, but a chance nonetheless without the need to spend time clicking a placard. I wouldn't be surprised if nearly all of those players without a house try for a house. That is about 45,000 players vying for the new 1440 plots. Now, not all plots will have the same interest due to plot location and size. 45000 players going for 1440 plots is about 30 players per plot. Or a roughly 3% chance.

Honestly, given the competition I've seen at plots that came up after players switched data centers about 2 months ago, a 3% chance is better than what most players saw at most plots that popped up. I commonly counted 50ish for a small and nearly 200 for a large. Sure, some plots will see extra interest (larges or those plots that are in an ideal location) while others will see less interest. I wouldn't be surprised if the less desirable small plots wind up with less than 10 tickets.

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Originally Posted by dspguy

The lottery system offers a low chance to win, but a chance nonetheless without the need to spend time clicking a placard. I wouldn't be surprised if nearly all of those players without a house try for a house. That is about 45,000 players vying for the new 1440 plots. Now, not all plots will have the same interest due to plot location and size. 45000 players going for 1440 plots is about 30 players per plot. Or a roughly 3% chance.

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Take out maybe 50% or more for FC only plots and don't forget what happens after Emperyum.

Now it's 1% chance, or like 100 people around a placard, which was rarer. Then realise it's a one time thing, after 9 days all of Emperyum is gone, there will be a smaller number of relocations appear for 9 days, then all those are gone, and it's back to demos.

So, after 18 days, a sizable chunk of those 45,000 people are going for one or two homes every 9 days. It's no effort, after all, and 3,000,000 is nothing really, why not?

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Originally Posted by Shibi

Take out maybe 50% or more for FC only plots and don't forget what happens after Emperyum.

Now it's 1% chance, or like 100 people around a placard, which was rarer. Then realise it's a one time thing, after 9 days all of Emperyum is gone, there will be a smaller number of relocations appear for 9 days, then all those are gone, and it's back to demos.

So, after 18 days, a sizable chunk of those 45,000 people are going for one or two homes every 9 days. It's no effort, after all, and 3,000,000 is nothing really, why not?

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3 million gil is not nothing, you might have a skewed perspective for how hard it is for new players to get enough gil given that you are a veteran player. For new players, it is still quite an insignificant hurdle to overcome especially when they might still spend their gil on other stuff such as glamours, levelling crafting etc.

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Originally Posted by DeNada

3 million gil is not nothing, you might have a skewed perspective for how hard it is for new players to get enough gil given that you are a veteran player. For new players, it is still quite an insignificant hurdle to overcome especially when they might still spend their gil on other stuff such as glamours, levelling crafting etc.

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If you meant a significant hurdle, I quite agree. It's mostly long timers and people who are seriously into crafting/gathering who would find 3 million Gil to be fairly easy to come by.

Wasn't happy with it when it was revealed. Not happy with it now. It solves only one of the plethora of issues surrounding housing, and has devoted engineering time, now lost, to something that doesn't alleviate what frustrates the ever living bleh out of people who want to get a house in this game.

Give it a few months, and it will be back to the same topics of housing shortages again :(

They really should just bite the bullet and instance the thing. It was feasible in an MMO from 2004 for goodness sake.

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Originally Posted by Larirawiel

The new system is unfair. But the current system is also not fair and prefers botters and nolifers. So we will see. :)

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I mean, I don't think my opinion really counts here, since I already have a house (and largely through dumb luck), but... it feels like both systems are unfair, but this one is unfair in an equal manner -- i.e., everyone has the same chance to win a house (or more likely, to miss out on a house).

Conversely, as you note, the current system is unfair to anyone trying to use it the normal way, but hugely skewed in favor of people who try to cheat the system in order to get a house. So... the new method kinda sucks, but at least it sucks slightly less than the current one?

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Originally Posted by Jagick

Seems to me that anyone with tons of gil and/or multiple characters with tons of gil will just run around and place entries on every plot they can afford to do so on where as sprouts with barely enough gil to make a play for a single plot just get shafted by this system. This is a week-old, soaked bandaid on what is already a very broken system. It says "one lottery entry per lottery period" but it doesn't specify if that's per plot or just one entry period.

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I thought they'd clarified that already earlier -- that it was one entry, period, for the whole lottery period -- though I might be misremembering? (I just came off a stretch of doing massive overtime to finish delivery on a prototype at work, so it feels equally likely it was an sleep-deprivation-induced hallucination...) Which is unfortunate if that's the case, since there could be that other plot like three houses over that *no one* entered the lottery for, whereas that house with the nice view had 40-odd people place a payment on it; with the one-bid limit, you take your chances that the one house you bid on didn't have two dozen other people do the same thing.

But on the other hand, it means someone who can only afford to bid on one house isn't at a disadvantage compared to those who could afford to place bids on *10* different houses. So, again, at least it sucks equally for everyone, not just the "small fish" in the housing pond.

(FC bidding is a whole different ball game, but if they do have limits on which plots can be bid on as an FC house, hopefully that at least means FCs are only competing with other FCs...)

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Originally Posted by Evergrey

Can't remember reading/hearing anything if the bid is account or not.

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Given that the existing limit on housing is per-account per-world, I'd assume the lottery restriction is the same. I.e., I have two alts on Leviathan -- my main, and a raid-alt. However, I can only own one house on Leviathan; since I own a house on this character, my alt cannot purchase one.

Which is perfectly reasonable, because I cannot fathom how much worse housing would be if you could just outright own multiple houses on the same world on one account. (Though I really wish, given that restriction, that the system would treat any alts of yours on the same world as a tenant in the house you do own.)

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Originally Posted by DeNada

3 million gil is not nothing, you might have a skewed perspective for how hard it is for new players to get enough gil given that you are a veteran player. For new players, it is still quite an insignificant hurdle to overcome especially when they might still spend their gil on other stuff such as glamours, levelling crafting etc.

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As you glossed over the main point completely, do you deny that once the sugar hit fades and we are at the ongoing demo stage of this there will be more entries for a single plot than people can poke a stick at?

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Originally Posted by Packetdancer

Conversely, as you note, the current system is unfair to anyone trying to use it the normal way, but hugely skewed in favor of people who try to cheat the system in order to get a house. So... the new method kinda sucks, but at least it sucks slightly less than the current one?

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In the theory, yes. :) But i don't know how the new system is in reality. So i am curious. :)


Cheers

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Originally Posted by Shibi

As you glossed over the main point completely, do you deny that once the sugar hit fades and we are at the ongoing demo stage of this there will be more entries for a single plot than people can poke a stick at?

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Yeah? And you keep glossing over that the outcome of "100 players want a house, 100 players enter lottery, 1 of them wins" is functionally the same as "100 players want a house, 10 of them click plackards for hours, 90 don't even bother, 1 of them wins". It doesn't change the amount of players who got a house.

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Originally Posted by Azuri

Yeah? And you keep glossing over that the outcome of "100 players want a house, 100 players enter lottery, 1 of them wins" is functionally the same as "100 players want a house, 10 of them click plackards for hours, 90 don't even bother, 1 of them wins". It doesn't change the amount of players who got a house.

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The more accurate version would be "100 players want a house, 1 of them click placards for hours, 9 of them utilised some sort of macros or bots to automate the clicking since it's just an inane and tedious process, 90 of them don't even bother. And the house goes to a housing bot who then resells it for massive profit."

That's the current FCFS system which people are defending.

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Originally Posted by Azuri

Yeah? And you keep glossing over that the outcome of "100 players want a house, 100 players enter lottery, 1 of them wins" is functionally the same as "100 players want a house, 10 of them click plackards for hours, 90 don't even bother, 1 of them wins". It doesn't change the amount of players who got a house.

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Yeah, it only changes the chances of one getting a house

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Originally Posted by DeNada

The more accurate version would be "100 players want a house, 1 of them click placards for hours, 9 of them utilised some sort of macros or bots to automate the clicking since it's just an inane and tedious process, 90 of them don't even bother. And the house goes to a housing bot who then resells it for massive profit."

That's the current FCFS system which people are defending.

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The problem we have is that SE is fixing the problem with a sledgehammer instead of a scalpel. The current system where the average vacated plot isn't usually purchasable for 12-24 hours allows plenty of time for everyone interested on the server to show up (including people using scripts) to try for it. Considering we don't know when exactly a plot is going to be purchasable, it requires players to either click that placard for hours non-stop or utilize a third party script. And there's no penalty for those using these scripts (at least none that I've seen).

Another solution they could have gone with is a short lockout period. Instead of what is commonly 12+ hours after a plot is vacated, make it anywhere from 5 minutes to 30 minutes. That is enough time to deter most people from risking a black market purchase since someone else could swoop in and click the placard. And 30 minutes is short enough that only those players that are dedicated to checking which plots are available would be in the running to purchase it (as opposed to hundreds of people showing up at the 12 hour mark since plots rarely seem to be purchasable before that).

However, SE didn't go that path. They went with the lottery option instead. If SE makes 50% of the housing available just for FCs, I think we will see nearly every FC have a house by the time the dust settles. Maybe that's what SE has been trying to do all this time - make housing for FCs and let the scraps go to private buyers. It didn't work out that way though.

Issue with the lower time "solution" is that it promotes resale, which SE hates even more so. There is just no 1 perfect solution, theres always going to be someone with issues, even if the tossed everything out a added personal instance house you'll get those, "Why cant i have neighbors" yata yata...

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Originally Posted by DeNada

3 million gil is not nothing, you might have a skewed perspective for how hard it is for new players to get enough gil given that you are a veteran player. For new players, it is still quite an insignificant hurdle to overcome especially when they might still spend their gil on other stuff such as glamours, levelling crafting etc.

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I mean...a new player just going through the paces should easily have over 4 million gil just from doing ARR-EW with a mix of roulettes /msq dungeon runs. Its not like you need to spend any gil outside of teleporting around.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

I mean...a new player just going through the paces should easily have over 4 million gil just from doing ARR-EW with a mix of roulettes /msq dungeon runs. Its not like you need to spend any gil outside of teleporting around.

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With how easy free teleport tickets are to get through blue mage stuff even the increased teleport costs mean nothing. I've stopped paying for teleports entirely with just the 3 weekly carnival targets.

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Originally Posted by Hanayumi

Issue with the lower time "solution" is that it promotes resale, which SE hates even more so. There is just no 1 perfect solution, theres always going to be someone with issues, even if the tossed everything out a added personal instance house you'll get those, "Why cant i have neighbors" yata yata...

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There definitely is not a perfect solution. The thing I'd keep in mind is that it doesn't matter what the purchase timer is to the seller. It matters to the buyer. A buyer is not going to fork over millions of gil for a house if someone else can pick it up instead. Maybe 5 minutes is too short. How about 15-45 minutes? That's probably enough to deter buyers from risking a black market purchase. And short enough that those dedicated to finding vacant plots can get a house.

It isn't like SE is going to do this anyway. Just saying that they are going from one (or two) extremes to another; FCFS, 12-24 placard clicking, lottery

This seems more like a bandaid fix than an actual solution really.

How about big FCs and relocation?
If the same rules apply for relocation, the best plots in new wards will most likely be won by very rich FCs that already had a house, which I'm not a fan of.

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Originally Posted by UkcsAlias

Thats a global tax, not a housing tax. Housing doesnt cost anything extra on that, hence it doesnt have a tax.

An actual housing tax would on that at least be a good way to sustain the server costs for housing and should allow more plots.

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And yet if you dont have a house and take a break for three months you will come back with all of your inventory still intact. You would not just suddenly have lost millions of gil or half of your glamours. House owners can only stay away from the game for 45 days. After that they will lose their house. If that is a medium or even large one, it will be nearly impossible to get that back. And as far as I know if you dont take back your house items in a certain amount of time they will too get deleted....

So we are already paying for the server costs because unlike others we have to nearly constantly pay the sub and go into the game to keep the sub. We cant just come back every patch and take breaks between those.

They should not make you participate in the lottery if you already have a house. It should be old style transfer.

So, the live news literally gave no further information than what we already have. We don't know how many wards will be opened. We don't even know which plots will be FC and which will be personal. You have from April 12 to April 16 to find this information out. While that may seem like a long time, you have to remember the gong show that was the login ques when EW started. Couple that with restricted access due to real life issues by many players and that window of opportunity begins to shrink fast. They could have at least told us whether or not the Empyreum would be updated with new information on wards and on the housing placards, before the patch hits. This does not look good...

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Originally Posted by Eraden

So, the live news literally gave no further information than what we already have. We don't know how many wards will be opened. We don't even know which plots will be FC and which will be personal. You have from April 12 to April 16 to find this information out. While that may seem like a long time, you have to remember the gong show that was the login ques when EW started. Couple that with restricted access due to real life issues by many players and that window of opportunity begins to shrink fast. They could have at least told us whether or not the Empyreum would be updated with new information on wards and on the housing placards, before the patch hits. This does not look good...

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To be fair, if you can't play at the moment for real life reasons then that's kind of your own issue. The window of opportunity, however, is five days from the time the wards open. They aren't going to be selecting winners until that point. So, if you really can't log in for five minutes during that time period to put in a ticket, do you really need a house right now?

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Originally Posted by RobynDaBank

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...796b3f56abbd28
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I was saving money to buy a large in Ishgard. I'm not doing it anymore, it will be a complete waste of my time.
That's how "excited" I am for this garbage, suck-arse of a system.

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Originally Posted by redheadturk

They should not make you participate in the lottery if you already have a house. It should be old style transfer.

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YES! EXACTLY!

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Join the club. I've been wanting an Ishgard house since the day I first reached Foundation over six years ago. Now I have one chance to relocate mine otherwise I get to try again in a year when they, maybe, add three wards. I'm sorry, but people need to stop making excuses for this terrible housing system. Both the current iteration and this new lottery system are embarrassing when they constantly brag at how successful FF has been.

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Yes, both systems sucks but people that already botted/paid for the house in rmt/gil, or camped for days, won't let you have an easier system than what they already suffered for.

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Originally Posted by Eraden

So, the live news literally gave no further information than what we already have. We don't know how many wards will be opened. We don't even know which plots will be FC and which will be personal. You have from April 12 to April 16 to find this information out. While that may seem like a long time, you have to remember the gong show that was the login ques when EW started. Couple that with restricted access due to real life issues by many players and that window of opportunity begins to shrink fast. They could have at least told us whether or not the Empyreum would be updated with new information on wards and on the housing placards, before the patch hits. This does not look good...

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Actually we did get a little more information. According to the unofficial translation (and the slides seem to back this up), YoshiP said "plots aren't limited to FCs, there will just be more of those". Where I was expecting about 40% for FC, sounds like it's going to end up 60-70%.

I think going that high is not the right choice considering how much higher demand for personal houses is compared to FC houses. They harder they make it to obtain a personal house, the more they encourage the use of shell FCs and RMT to get access to housing. The 30 day waiting period is only inconvenience, not deterrent.

Also, log in queues aren't going to be 5 days long. They won't even be 5 hours long. While they'll be longer than they have been the past few weeks, they aren't going to be anything close to what they were like at Endwalker launch. No one is going to miss out on the opportunity to place their entry because of queues.

What information about Empyreum do you think we're lacking at this point that wasn't covered in the Lodestone news topic? Seems like the only information not released yet is which wards will be FC and which will be individual, and we really don't need to have that information until we can make our entries. There would still be plenty of time to coordinate with friends if you're trying to get houses in the same ward.

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Originally Posted by Mika_Zahard

Yes, both systems sucks but people that already botted/paid for the house in rmt/gil, or camped for days, won't let you have an easier system than what they already suffered for.

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It's not other players preventing the implementation of a better system.

It's SE.

As long as players stupidly blame other players for housing woes instead of holding SE to account for their design choices, the system will always be an ugly mess because there's no pressure on SE to fix it.

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Originally Posted by redheadturk

They should not make you participate in the lottery if you already have a house. It should be old style transfer.

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Everyone should have an equal chance at a plot. No one is guaranteed a plot just by 'putting the time in' and no one should be locked out of attempting to get a plot because they have yet to win a plot of land. It wouldn't function with the lotto system either as it could perpetually set plots of land back to the 9 day timer while negating people's submissions. Don't think there aren't people petty enough to throw millions of gil away just to swap back and forth to do that out of malice.

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Originally Posted by AlexionSkyllark

I was saving money to buy a large in Ishgard. I'm not doing it anymore, it will be a complete waste of my time.

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If that's your dream plot, keep saving and give it a shot. Odds are against you either way as larges are coveted and fewer than other plots, but your chances aren't 0. Worst case scenario, you don't get your dream plot and have an excess of gil to spend on other things.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Actually we did get a little more information. According to the unofficial translation (and the slides seem to back this up), YoshiP said "plots aren't limited to FCs, there will just be more of those". Where I was expecting about 40% for FC, sounds like it's going to end up 60-70%.

I think going that high is not the right choice considering how much higher demand for personal houses is compared to FC houses. They harder they make it to obtain a personal house, the more they encourage the use of shell FCs and RMT to get access to housing. The 30 day waiting period is only inconvenience, not deterrent.

Also, log in queues aren't going to be 5 days long. They won't even be 5 hours long. While they'll be longer than they have been the past few weeks, they aren't going to be anything close to what they were like at Endwalker launch. No one is going to miss out on the opportunity to place their entry because of queues.

What information about Empyreum do you think we're lacking at this point that wasn't covered in the Lodestone news topic? Seems like the only information not released yet is which wards will be FC and which will be individual, and we really don't need to have that information until we can make our entries. There would still be plenty of time to coordinate with friends if you're trying to get houses in the same ward.

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I have not seen anything to clarify that the partitioning of the plots in terms of FC vs personal, will be done at the ward level. The few cases that I have seen suggest it will be much more granular and done plot by plot. If the latter is what will happen, people are going to have to click on each placard for each plot to find out what they are eligible for. That takes a LOT longer than the "5 minutes" that some people are suggesting. Now as for the que times, I really hope you are right but in cases like this one should expect the worst and try to be prepared for it. Que times on my server lasted for HOURS when Endwalker started. It was troublesome enough that several people I know left the game because they literally could not play it during the brief windows of opportunity that real life afforded them. If his statement about FC plots means that there will be more FC plots than personal, this is a HORRIBLE decision. The number of available plots for personal use was already miniscule compared to the demand. Now it will be even worse. If actual plot information were to be available to players prior to patch day, people could log in without dealing with the server congestion and browse at their leisure. Selecting a plot to bid for could be done ahead of time and THEN it would be possible to spend only 5 minutes post-patch to just hop over and place your bid.

To everyone worried about having to log in the moment servers are up, remember: 5 days of waiting for a lottery and then up to 4 days to wait for the player to claim it.

What a horrible time frame. If you cut that by a little over than half of the current time then it might be a bit better.

I'm going roll a D20 to determine the ward I go to and find the small plot that's farthest away from the MB and any desirable landmarks to stake my claim on. If it means I'm facing away from the majority of the neighborhood; especially my direct neighbors, that's ok, it's less chance that I'll have to put up with a Paissa or Chocobo house.

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Originally Posted by Dustytome

Everyone should have an equal chance at a plot. No one is guaranteed a plot just by 'putting the time in' and no one should be locked out of attempting to get a plot because they have yet to win a plot of land. It wouldn't function with the lotto system either as it could perpetually set plots of land back to the 9 day timer while negating people's submissions. Don't think there aren't people petty enough to throw millions of gil away just to swap back and forth to do that out of malice.



If that's your dream plot, keep saving and give it a shot. Odds are against you either way as larges are coveted and fewer than other plots, but your chances aren't 0. Worst case scenario, you don't get your dream plot and have an excess of gil to spend on other things.

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Hey guess what? Fun fact. If you used your head. you'd realize that Instant transfer of housing doesn't detract from the amount of houses available. Only for that ward. I know that's hard, but come on. So in turn, it would still allow for everyone to have a chance period.

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Originally Posted by Lecru

Hey guess what? Fun fact. If you used your head. you'd realize that Instant transfer of housing doesn't detract from the amount of houses available. Only for that ward. I know that's hard, but come on. So in turn, it would still allow for everyone to have a chance period.

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Please don't be rude by calling names. This is simply uncalled for.

Instant relocation has already been removed since users have been abusing it for reselling and retainer trolling and it won't be coming back anymore so your point is kinda moot. What's more, people should have a fair chance to bid for the plots they like regardless of whether they are new or an existing owner and not be relegated to hands me down from previous owners.

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Originally Posted by redheadturk

They should not make you participate in the lottery if you already have a house. It should be old style transfer.

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I disagree. Having an existing house in an existing ward shouldn't also be a ticket to jumping the queue for new plots in new wards. You should acquire that plot like everyone else and then transfer your existing house into it while freeing up that old plot in the process. It's safe to say that some people, new or old players, aren't going to get the Ishgard house they want and unless they drastically overhaul the entire housing system, which is needed, you'll just have to deal with it.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

Yep, more like this though:

https://i.gyazo.com/b075bdb5684c290e...ac824af5f8.jpg

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Your world has 700 active players on it...

https://ffxivcensus.com/#ra-oc

Well seeing how my chances of getting a house in the FCFS system were non-existent, I'll take the infinitely higher chances that the lottery system gives me, even if the odds are extremely low.

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Originally Posted by Amenara

Well seeing how my chances of getting a house in the FCFS system were non-existent, I'll take the infinitely higher chances that the lottery system gives me, even if the odds are extremely low.

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Your chances are still going to be non-existent. The competition to buy one now pales in comparison to what's to come. Neither system is good, but neither of them are any better than the other.