Its a shame Paladins have to be tanks. I understand.

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Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty

There is no reason why the DPS's time is worth less than the tanks

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Actually, the DPS's time isn't worth anything. The #1 priority of every tank is to establish dominance and lead the run as they see fit. If a DPS whines then they are welcome to leave or shut up. DPS are easily replaceable.

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Originally Posted by ddwarbird

The toxicity in this game has made a massive spike since we started getting a huge influx of WoW refugees here. Coincidence...?

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There it is. That's the main reason you made this post. It went from "tanking is hard" to "screw these invaders!".

Let me tell you something. I started playing this game about 4 months before the massive influx from WoW and the community was just as bad then as it is now.

The FFXIV community really isn't as warm and welcoming and helpful as you think it is. Just look at this thread alone. You have this "us vs them" mentality that causes you to blame every little thing on the "WoW refugees".

The only reason you think this community is so great is because you all band together if someone sais otherwise. It's a mob mentality and an unhealthy need to belong and feel like you're part of something.

You guys are very quick to jump down people's throats just for calling you out and having a different opinion than you.

Most WoW players are happy to be here, love the game and have nothing but respect and admiration for the game and it's development team. But here you are taking every opportunity to trash them.

You took time out of your day to come here and make a post ragging on an entire group of people that you seemingly dislike for the sole reason that they used to play a different video game than you.

And you know what? That's incredibly sad.

The hard truth is; your no different than the people you hate on. You're the exact same type of person as a "WoW player".


As for the "tanks get no respect" aspect of the post, wall to wall pulling has been a staple of this game long before the WoW influx. If you want to slow down and not pull wall to wall you only have the FFXIV community to blame for setting that standard.

Try to be a better person.

My only problem with tanking is when a new expansion / patch hits everybody already assumes you're going to do wall pulls, which isn't always a wise decision due to unfamiliarity with the new dungeons and gameplay tweaks potentially making them much more difficult to pull off. Even if it's not as fun, clearing dungeons without a wipe takes priority over efficiency on my first run (at least).

And yes, there is more pressure on tanks and healers because if they go down the DPS are likely to fall in short order unless you've got a quick combat rezzer. Outside of DPS checks it's rare for DPS to be vital to the completion of a fight; it might take a long time, but tanks and/or healers can win on their own.

P.S. One of the tags is literally "troll thread," so take OP's arguments with a pinch of salt.

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Originally Posted by Sacred-Oblivion

Actually, the DPS's time isn't worth anything. The #1 priority of every tank is to establish dominance and lead the run as they see fit. If a DPS whines then they are welcome to leave or shut up. DPS are easily replaceable.

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lol, lmao even

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Originally Posted by Sacred-Oblivion

Actually, the DPS's time isn't worth anything. The #1 priority of every tank is to establish dominance and lead the run as they see fit. If a DPS whines then they are welcome to leave or shut up. DPS are easily replaceable.

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And then the tank dies.

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Originally Posted by ddwarbird

Actually, the point of this post was to appreciate tanks for their patience because I'm probably going to abandon playing Paladin at this rate and go back to my Astro/Whm.

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I tank plenty (have 7 tanks across 4 chars), I'm also a healer main with 11 healers at 90. And let me give this to you straight - I don't need appreciation from people like you. In fact, I don't like tanking that much, and the main reason I tank is because I don't want to have someone like you being my tank.

On the subject of disability, just stop. I noticed there have been a rise in people just dropping the "I have disability!" left and right and expect other just bend to them or something. And again I will give this to you straight - I don't know if you actually have it, what I do know is it will rarely work the way you think it is. In real life, most institution will require you to provide medical documents and do an official intake before any accommodation is provided, your "behavior" is akin to a student who after blowing up the exam, come to the teacher and say "actually I have this, this and that disability, so I entitled to a passing grade and special treatment and you just have to take my word for it!". Yeah ... no, that ain't gonna happen. And since it's an online game with no way to verify, 99/100 players won't believe you, and the one person who does believe you ... let's say with your crappy entittled attitude in full display I bet that person wouldn't care anyway.


Like, seriously, just stop. The other day we had a healer who repeatably wipe the party in SAVAGE content. After like 5 wipes we asked if he/she knew the mechanic and the response was basically "I have autism so you all need to adjust to me 'cause I can't learn new stuff". I think the group was nice enough that no-one said anything, just a complete-uncomfortable silence. We were even considerate enough that no one left immediately despite all wanted to. We proceed to do 1 more pull, samething happened, and everyone left. I bet that person ended up on the a few blacklist.

If you ever wonder why the society/community ever grow more and more apathetic toward people with disability, then know it's people like you are one of the biggest contributing factor. It's no different than SWJs and fame seekers try to make everything and anything sexual harassment offense, and in the end the people who get dis-service the most are the real victim of sexual harassment.

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

I tank plenty ... and in the end the people who get dis-service the most are the real victim of sexual harassment.

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Going to chime in on this... Although I mostly agree with you, I tend to be more respectful of others, regardless of ability, or other things unique to them.

I'm Autistic, with dyslexia (I use multiple spell correction aids and cheats), I'm older and have slower reflex and some limited joint movement due to arthritis. I Adjust for my own issues, you would never be able to tell when teamed with me I have these issues, because I use tools and aids to help myself become better than my disabilities. I use special Keypads and mice, and special keyboards, I run multiple monitors so I can keep raiding tutorials and help guides up while doing that content. I drink coffee to aid with my reaction times. I Adjust to keep up, and you know what if a 50+ year old Trans woman with Autism, Dyslexia, Arthritis, and poor eyesight can keep up without issue, anyone can.

Picture of my setup. Taken just now.

https://i.imgur.com/XqoYGlL.jpg

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Originally Posted by Sacred-Oblivion

Actually, the DPS's time isn't worth anything. The #1 priority of every tank is to establish dominance and lead the run as they see fit. If a DPS whines then they are welcome to leave or shut up. DPS are easily replaceable.

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Imagine thinking yourself is this important for playing any role in a normal dungeon. LOL

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Originally Posted by Sacred-Oblivion

Actually, the DPS's time isn't worth anything. The #1 priority of every tank is to establish dominance and lead the run as they see fit. If a DPS whines then they are welcome to leave or shut up. DPS are easily replaceable.

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Tell me you've never needed someone to push buttons without telling me you've never needed someone to push buttons.

Everyone focuses on the tanks and healers, but finding a solid DPS player is oftentimes the hardest thing to find.

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Originally Posted by Gothicshark

I Adjust for my own issues, you would never be able to tell when teamed with me I have these issues, because I use tools and aids to help myself become better than my disabilities ...

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And you got my respect for that. I think a lot of people take the meaning behind disability the wrong way (this is talking in general, not just in game). Disability accommodations is meant to give people a meant to produce "the same level and quality of work" as a normal person, not a pass to produce something less. Like in school, accommodation is a way for someone with disabilities to produce the work that will earn them a good grade, not a way to for them to get free-grade or a grade above their level of submitted work.

While there are certainly some people with real disabilities and want to use it as a free-pass, in my experience most are acutely aware of the above. It is because they most likely had gone through situation where the letter of the law and policy had dictated to them what accommodation means and what they can and can not have. In fact, a lot of time their dignity will not let them "beg" for help, part of a training to staffs working with disabled people is avoiding being "too-helpful", after all we want them to have a sense of normalcy as much as possible.

That's why the majority of cases of "hey you must bend backward for me because I have disability you know!" came from people who are faking it with the assumption somehow that will earn them a free-pass, completely oblivious to the struggle and effort people with real disability have to go through to "appear normal", at the same stereotype the image of disabled people in a very bad way.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Tanking single pulls is boring, and healing single pulls is boring. As long as you cycle through cooldowns, there is no reason to be afraid of wall to wall pulls if not at least 2 packs per pull.

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I agree, altho DPS and Healers that go out of their way to pull even when I am pulling wall to wall still annoys the hell out of me and if I am in a bad mood it has made me leave before.
I tank fast, but some people act like hyperbolic children who are high on sugar and use every tool to rush in and pull ahead of you including bosses when the Healer is behind or even afk.

I think there is a middle ground, it's true that double/ wall to wall pulls are considered the standard in FFXIV.
However...
I still think that the tank sets the pace and if you want to set the pace then play a tank, and to some extent how good/ bad the healer is also sets the pace which in the end of the day the responsibility also falls on the tank to feel the healer out.
It's not the dps job to feel the healer out it's just safer and cleaner for everyone if the tank is in charge of pulling.

Tanks who pull 1 pack at a time or don't use sprint etc when they clearly can pull more tho, I don't think it's rly wrong to pull more so long as you bring the mobs to the tank and don't run in circles forcing them to chase you.
It's not polite and I don't generally do it, but it's more understandable.
But I've tanked on and off since the start and I do find that the kids on energy drinks and sugar who play dps sometimes are incredibly annoying and makes tanking more of a hassle than it needs to be.

Ultimately it's the tanks job and responsibility to pull.
And there are things an even just okay tank should be paying attention to that most dps don't seem to pay attention to.
I've had plenty of times where the Healer went afk without saying anything ( or DC ) and the hyperbolic dps aren't paying attention at all and just sprints into the pack.
In 9 out of 10 cases there is no reason why the dps should be pulling, it's very rare I see dps pulling in a way that is actually justified imo.

As long as the tank establishes dominance at the beginning of the run, most dps will know their place and will be obedient. Though every now and then you'll still get someone who needs to be put back in their place.

A dps is running ahead and pulling? Let them die. A dps is whining in the chat? Tell them to shut up or leave. My favorite scenario is when everyone except the tank dies to the boss. A good tank will solo the boss until the end no matter how much HP is left in order to teach the dps how "valuable" their time really is. However, it's acceptable to die voluntarily to restart the fight as a courtesy to the healer if you'd like.

Good tanks couldn't care less about the dps because they are at the bottom of the pecking order. It goes: dps < trash < bosses < healers < tanks. Keeping dps in their place makes it much less likely that they'll be toxic in future runs, and helps to create a healthier gaming environment for everyone.

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Originally Posted by Sacred-Oblivion

As long as the tank establishes dominance at the beginning of the run, most dps will know their place and will be obedient. Though every now and then you'll still get someone who needs to be put back in their place.

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Sir, this is MOST DEFINITELY A WENDY'S...
The BDSM club is the next block over...

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Originally Posted by Sacred-Oblivion

As long as the tank establishes dominance at the beginning of the run, most dps will know their place and will be obedient. Though every now and then you'll still get someone who needs to be put back in their place.

A dps is running ahead and pulling? Let them die. A dps is whining in the chat? Tell them to shut up or leave. My favorite scenario is when everyone except the tank dies to the boss. A good tank will solo the boss until the end no matter how much HP is left in order to teach the dps how "valuable" their time really is. However, it's acceptable to die voluntarily to restart the fight as a courtesy to the healer if you'd like.

Good tanks couldn't care less about the dps because they are at the bottom of the pecking order. It goes: dps < trash < bosses < healers < tanks. Keeping dps in their place makes it much less likely that they'll be toxic in future runs, and helps to create a healthier gaming environment for everyone.

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All those words just to tell everyone you have a terrible attitude.

Small pp and possibly fatherless behavior if I'm being honest.

lmfao bacon, you're playing a dangerous game lately

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Originally Posted by Rinhi

lmfao bacon, you're playing a dangerous game lately

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What are they gonna do, ban me?

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yes, please don't get banned :(

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Originally Posted by Sacred-Oblivion

As long as the tank establishes dominance at the beginning of the run, most dps will know their place and will be obedient. Though every now and then you'll still get someone who needs to be put back in their place.

A dps is running ahead and pulling? Let them die.

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I prefer to throw heart of corondum+aurora on them to let them absorb the first couple autoattacks from the pack they just pulled, before catching up and peeling the mobs off of them.
But I guess I'm weird and care more about actually finishing dungeons than establishing my "tanking dominance" (lol).

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Originally Posted by Sacred-Oblivion

As long as the tank establishes dominance at the beginning of the run, most dps will know their place and will be obedient. Though every now and then you'll still get someone who needs to be put back in their place.

A dps is running ahead and pulling? Let them die. A dps is whining in the chat? Tell them to shut up or leave. My favorite scenario is when everyone except the tank dies to the boss. A good tank will solo the boss until the end no matter how much HP is left in order to teach the dps how "valuable" their time really is. However, it's acceptable to die voluntarily to restart the fight as a courtesy to the healer if you'd like.

Good tanks couldn't care less about the dps because they are at the bottom of the pecking order. It goes: dps < trash < bosses < healers < tanks. Keeping dps in their place makes it much less likely that they'll be toxic in future runs, and helps to create a healthier gaming environment for everyone.

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This post made this topic worth revisiting.

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Originally Posted by BaconBits

What are they gonna do, ban me?

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As someone who's been tempbanned twice, once for flying off the handle at someone who floods the SMN threads with trolling and poor arguments and the other time for pointing out dev hypocrisy for delaying the expac over lore issues when they completely disregard healer lore.

Yes, they will ban you. For a week probably.

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Originally Posted by Laphicet

As someone who's been tempbanned twice, once for flying off the handle at someone who floods the SMN threads with trolling and poor arguments and the other time for pointing out dev hypocrisy for delaying the expac over lore issues when they completely disregard healer lore.

Yes, they will ban you. For a week probably.

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I was banned by telling a racist who was harping on ethnic hair to touch grass, 2 week ban LOL. I would say edit the post it isn't worth it lol. Save yourselves comrades!

if you don't like it, you can level with Palace of the Dead, Heaven on High, Bozja, Trusts, Squadrons, Fates, PvP, and just going out and killing stuff.

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Originally Posted by BaconBits

What are they gonna do, ban me?

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Probably, see you in two weeks bud

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Originally Posted by Sacred-Oblivion

As long as the tank establishes dominance at the beginning of the run, most dps will know their place and will be obedient. Though every now and then you'll still get someone who needs to be put back in their place.

A dps is running ahead and pulling? Let them die. A dps is whining in the chat? Tell them to shut up or leave. My favorite scenario is when everyone except the tank dies to the boss. A good tank will solo the boss until the end no matter how much HP is left in order to teach the dps how "valuable" their time really is. However, it's acceptable to die voluntarily to restart the fight as a courtesy to the healer if you'd like.

Good tanks couldn't care less about the dps because they are at the bottom of the pecking order. It goes: dps < trash < bosses < healers < tanks. Keeping dps in their place makes it much less likely that they'll be toxic in future runs, and helps to create a healthier gaming environment for everyone.

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This isn't your fetish reddit friend. Griefing is a reportable offense as well. So please know your place.

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Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

Probably, see you in two weeks bud

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Originally Posted by ddwarbird

Neither does being a whiney brat and have everything centred around me, me, me. But then the world has been growing gradually more selfish and "look at me" over the last few decades sadly. Sorry but in terms of the game, DPS are expendable and can be easily replaced, healers and tanks not so much but I wonder if you would enjoy waiting 15-20 minutes for a tank depending on the time of day.

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As a healer main I will kick you out of a group in a heartbeat for that attitude and happily sit there dancing with the dps till we get a replacement. You are not more important or expendable then anyone else.

To the OP:

This is my Paladin of whom I am most proud-- one day in the very near future, we will get our attacks + abilities buffed and you will be the first to come back onto the forums calling for us to be nerfed.

Just wait and see-- just you wait.

https://i.imgur.com/LnB5ae4.jpg

I was going to ask why is this thread is still going on until I saw this:

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Originally Posted by Sacred-Oblivion

As long as the tank establishes dominance at the beginning of the run, most dps will know their place and will be obedient. Though every now and then you'll still get someone who needs to be put back in their place.

A dps is running ahead and pulling? Let them die. A dps is whining in the chat? Tell them to shut up or leave. My favorite scenario is when everyone except the tank dies to the boss. A good tank will solo the boss until the end no matter how much HP is left in order to teach the dps how "valuable" their time really is. However, it's acceptable to die voluntarily to restart the fight as a courtesy to the healer if you'd like.

Good tanks couldn't care less about the dps because they are at the bottom of the pecking order. It goes: dps < trash < bosses < healers < tanks. Keeping dps in their place makes it much less likely that they'll be toxic in future runs, and helps to create a healthier gaming environment for everyone.

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You sir, must be playing a different game. The irony here is your stance against the dps and the rest of your party member is already toxic to begin with.

At this point I’m not even sure whether you’re being serious or simply trolling. I hope it’s the latter!

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Originally Posted by Ramesses

To the OP:

This is my Paladin of whom I am most proud-- one day in the very near future, we will get our attacks + abilities buffed and you will be the first to come back onto the forums calling for us to be nerfed.

Just wait and see-- just you wait.

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Prolly not. Even when pally had the highest DPS it was still meh, cover is useless but still in the game, and shelltron relies and a slow building gauge which exists only for shelltron. Paladin isn't bad because it's damage, its bad because like many classes in this game it suffers from a lot of poor class design with its defensives. Likely because Yoshi P believes hallow ground is over powered. Holmgang must be the worst skill ever designed cause it gets buffed every expansion. I assume living dead is Yoshi P's magnum opus in class design it is so strong you die from using it.

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Originally Posted by Ramesses

This is my Paladin of whom I am most proud-- one day in the very near future, we will get our attacks + abilities buffed and you will be the first to come back onto the forums calling for us to be nerfed.

Just wait and see-- just you wait.

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OP Paladin is level 30 so he is afraid of even the basic dungeons. He has to try break his fears or he won't have a life running dungeons as a frightened tank.

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Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty

Why would Paladins be anything but tanks?

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Well, because they come out of a job called Gladiator, which implies combat, not protection. If there were a way I could stay Gladiator, and get increased damage, be able to use any weapon, and have some of the mitigation you get from heavy armor and a shield, I'd be all over that. Samurai is as close as it gets.

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Originally Posted by EzekielBook

Well, because they come out of a job called Gladiator, which implies combat, not protection. If there were a way I could stay Gladiator, and get increased damage, be able to use any weapon, and have some of the mitigation you get from heavy armor and a shield, I'd be all over that. Samurai is as close as it gets.

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It woulda been neat if SAM woulda been a tank and then you could have a DPS version called RON for Ronin.

My advice is at the beginning of every dungeon just let people know you're new to tanking and are learning how to tank.

After that it's on them if they wanna stay or go, but as u get more use to tanking you'll eventually be cdortable with big pulls, but for now just learn at your own pace and at the beginning of a dungeon letsl people know your situation.

Other that you can lvl up with friends or in open world content to practice, or even palace of the dead or unlocking squadrons from your grand company and when your old is able to do SHB dungeons u can learn by using trusts.

The advice is to just tank. Especially at low levels; you're going to be overwhelmed. Just tank. Don't hunker down and play it safe or become intimidated, just tank.