Their reply to my final post to them is a good example. A 12yr old could understand the common sense and logic behind what I explained.
Either that or they’ll pick out something innocuous you’ve said and act like you’re attacking their very being, and when you explain rationally that “no, just because I am repeating what you said to someone who asked does not mean I am attacking you, nor do I need to copy and paste the entire QUOTE when the quote links to the full version,” they’ll simply start doing the La La La motion and say you’re clearly attacking them and refuse to apologize lmao.
No, I’m not salty, what are you talking about?
I'm all for the lottery system, as long as it stops a person from buying up entire housing wards
I just don't want to be around a hoard of shirogane houses
It's why I want to move my current plot- to get away from those lego-block looking houses
SE should just increase interior item limit for all houses & apartments. Implement roommates in an apartment- rather than just person per apartment
Say its time we get back on topic...the steam has been released some tension got out. Back to discussing housing..
I would like to at least see separate alts having the same privileges' in a house per account. I think that would free up some spaces. For me, the 1 small FC house, my personal medium and an apartment is fine. I have had separate alts but they were in the FC. I'd rather have them in my medium house. Long term solution of course is instanced solo housing. It works.
One idea I think would be helpful is allowing eternally bond couples to reset a house timer so long has they are sharing the same house. Further the spouse that is the tenant cannot own a personal of their own, if do then both players they will have to reset their own timers as normal. Similar to the personal house restriction it would be limited to 1 per account per world. So no using the EB system to obtain multiple personals on one world.
This one change is something players have asked for for a long time and would honestly help otnof people get houses.. as it would actively allow players to share plots propey which right now noone does because if the owner takes a break all the tenants lose there house... even if they actively use it every day...
Fixing tenancy would go along way
Would need to limit to 1 per person kinda like How I mentioned above. Letting every tenant reset the timer could lead to a reset mafia, just a chain of players resetting each others demo timers. You could some what avoid it by putting a rule that say you can only reset one demo timer as a tenant. Not %100 sure as I thought it up off the top of my head.
After careful thought ya, would need it too be one tenant with a 1 character per world restritction.
You're still blaming the victim....
Hooray... more misgendering >.>
Only once they understand why they are wrong.
Yes, the two minutes hate has ended.
I even helped out by apologizing first! Even when I know that even when taken out of context I did nothing wrong, I decided hey, maybe I should just apologize anyways, because I know how it sucks to have others take what you say out of context to try to twist it (despite the fact that that was clearly not what I was doing.)
And they’ve still decided “nope! no apology from me! Im right theyre wrong BLAHLBALAHSBALWJE”
You edited the quote and the editorialized it giving something taken out of context completely new context that was not what was originally intended... then proceeded to QQ about how you were somehow in the right and did nothing wrong. Spare me your theatrics and false apologies.
So before getting into this, for the scope of this post I consider a legitimate FC to be one with more than 4 members, while a shell FC is one that has between 1-3 members. Also, due to the restrictions outlined at https://support.na.square-enix.com/r...&tag=freetrial free trial accounts are completely irrelevant to anything housing as they do not have enough gil to buy an apartment (let alone a house) and cannot join (much less create) an FC.
One of the things I think we should start zeroing into is the supply side of things. I think a good thing to do is start with defining exactly how much supply we need, starting with the personal houses. Going by https://ffxivcensus.com/ there are roughly 650k active players (although that number is definitely in dispute and doesn't take into consideration the influx of Asmonsprouts). So pulling in the data from https://www.xivhousing.com/ (which has greatly improved since the last time I have seen it), there are roughly 267k personal and vacant houses across all of FFXIV, so we're looking at roughly 40% saturation for the houses going by this number.
If no additional wards are going to be added, Ishgard will add about another 98k houses across all servers (68 unless I failed at counting >.>). That's going to help the personal house side of things greatly if at least half of those are in personal house only wards. SE should probably also add 6 more wards to bring it up to an even 30, and then continue to add in neighborhoods as time progresses at 30 wards until housing stops being a problem.... like having us help rebuild Ala Mhigo and giving us Ala Mhigan housing... and possibly Sharlyan housing down the line.
So looking at the FC houses, there are roughly 120k FC houses worldwide, and using https://www.xivhousing.com/2021-cens...enters-regions to slice the data, roughly 23k of those are shell FC houses, that's about 20% of all FC houses worldwide are shell FC houses. Like I have been saying for a long time, the shell FCs need to be dealt with because they are exacerbating the housing problem, with the Chocobo server being the mascot for this problem having 2613 FC houses with 891 of those houses belonging to a shell FC, the single highest of all of the servers both in terms of legitimate and shell FC housing.
Yes we need more supply, but the shell FC issue CANNOT continued to be ignored because it's making this entire housing thing harder than it needs to be.
Tbh I was surprised they didn't allow for this already. I agree with whoever said cut it down to 1 tenant. And like FCs, if the housing owner doesn't return after 45 days, the house is transferred to the tenant rather than demolish. Probably cut down on some of the demand for housing. Right now, being a tenant just feels like you have a teleport spot, but if anything happens to the homeowner you're out a house since you aren't the owner. And any furniture and the 80 percent of placard cost goes to the homeowner, including anything the tenant dropped in there.
The idea has merit. And would placate some people I'm sure.
Standard speculation warning, but we're probably going to be at 30 wards (9000 houses) by 6.35 at the latest. So Ishgard should be 1800 houses per server by a few months after release.
Reasoning:
3.3 was +3 wards https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...43b40551d1e3e8
4.2 just post Shiro was +6 wards https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...33e139e9792abf
5.1 was +3 wards, 5.35 was +3 wards https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...716915b851002f , https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...c440f300e12f75
RNG in the gathering forum
-RNG is rigged, I keep missing 4 out of 5 attempts at 95% gathering rate.
RNG on the crafting forum
-RNG is bugged and streaks, skills keep failing most of the time. Hasty fails 90% of the time!
RNG on the combat forum
-RNG sucks, I never roll above 20 on the loot rolls. I'll never get the 2B pants.
RNG on the housing forum
-Yay lottery, this will create world peace and solve hunger across Eorzea.
This is going to end well.
Maybe you need to take a step back, because what I did was this:
“Hey, isn’t MilkieTea the person who started the Off Topic Discussion Megathread?”
“Wait, really? Proof!”
“Only reason I even remember theyre the one who made the thread is because I saw an argument with them and someone else and MilkieTea said something kinda dumb.”
Everyone is free to check it out btw, but the context is Almagnus’ housing relocation timer, versus the example I gave here.
I mean, if someone could come up with a better solution that also eliminated the need for people to camp the placard for hours on end I think we'd go with that, but the RNG is really the best worst option out of a slew of really bad ideas... and still better than what's there now.
I mentioned the 1 tenant idea along a restriction of 1 character per world being allowed to reset as a tenant. Its to avoid the domino effect as its called.
For those who don't get the domino effect. 1 domino knocks over 2, 2 knock over 4 and so on. Now apply that too tenancy, home owner has 3 tenants who each have a personal house with 3 tenants who...you get the idea. Letting tenants reset a timer is fine so long as its tightly restricted as described above..
That would nt solve anything... THe reason players dont want to share houses is because they have no right's or control. so you need to allow ALL tenants the power to reset the demo timers and maintain the safety of there homes. the system already limits the number of tenants you can have so its not like its gonna be a mafia of 100 tenants keeping 1 guys house standing.
limitiing it to 1 tenant. does absolutely nothing to fix the problem of people not willing to share houses. when a lot of people have frequently said in all these housing threads they would happily share with friends if they had more power as tenants.. instead of the crap we have now where your teneants can be using the plot every day and pooof up in goes in a cloud of smoke..
i have a medium in shorogane. my friend has one in mist and 2 have plots in the lavender beds... we would all happily share if the system was better. so then the 4 of us would have 1 house instead of 4 houses.. opnes up 3 houses for other players.. and if all those other people who would be willing to share did something similar that could be hundreds of extra plots for other players being made available.
do alot more to help the problem than a dumb lottery ever will
Enjoy the mass exploiting of it. :D You and your friends may be honest players but there players who are not honest. They will exploit too its fullest and the way you want it done has a massive flaw. I won't explain how to exploit it on the forum as only idiot would do such a thing, I also have no desire to receive a forum vacation of over it. Unlike the Shell FC issue you would not even know or be able to tell who is exploiting the system. Until SE starts acting on shell FC's and stopping house exploiting its best to play safe and nip a problem before it gets started.
Yeah there'd have to be checks in place to make sure someone doesn't end up owning more than one house. I mean, I'm a tenant at my friend's house, but I have my own personal. If SE did this they'd have to put in a check for that kind of thing and let the house just demo if tenant already owns personal housing. It'd have to keep a record of the last time the original owner walked through, and at the 45 day mark do a check on if the tenant has a personal house. If not, house automatically goes to them. If so, house demos.
You don't play the game and unsub for extended periods of time there is no free ride by letting tenants who actually play the game reset your timer. Sorry I do not support this in the least. I am for keeping a house if you are paying a sub and am for doing away with housing entry.
The ability to share with more people would be nice and would also like to see alts be able to share a house with their main. That is something that is long overdue.
Can't exploit something that doesn't exist. Pointing out how to exploit it in advance of possible implementation is the best way to help keep it from being implemented.
Not that SE would ever implement it. It would be a source of too many problems beyond just illicit transfer of ownership.
Even the poster's own situation demonstrates those problems. Why don't his friends want to share a house? Because they wouldn't be considered the owner. Even with his proposed system, they would still not be the owner. Any fight break out between them and the one player considered the owner could boot them from the house, leaving them without one. Or let's say the poster is the owner and is forced away from the game for two months. He comes back and finds he's no longer tenant because the other 3 made a new friend while he was gone that they wanted to share the house with. Or perhaps whichever player ended up assigned as owner boots the others because now he could have the house all to himself.
Maybe he and his friends would be an exception but that sort of scenario would play out far too often.
And it gets more complicated if the tenant has multiple characters. I have a house on this character. Most of my alts are tenants of houses owned by friends. If one of those houses was pending demo, the game would have to check all my characters on the same world.
I'm up for the lottery system better than losing sleep trying to get a house that someone can just waltz in buy under your nose without any waiting.
Why are you forcing yourself to lose sleep over something you're okay with never having?
That will probably depend on whether he gets lucky in the lottery. People's attitudes have a tendency to change once they're the winner, or when they remain the loser after they convince themselves that a change will turn them into a winner.