New Grand Company Gear (04/23/2012)

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Originally Posted by Colino

I dunno man.

http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/...oI/strings.png

The way it folds looks a lot like the BRD AF which is already in-game. Also looks like there's strings there, just like the AF.

Then again those could be arrows as well, it's hard to tell.

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The bow folds up... what do you think happens to all the bow string when that happens? It has to be looped at least once, otherwise it would just dangle behind you. That doesn't make it a harp.

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Originally Posted by Sephrick

Perhaps we have to obtain the recipe from grand companies, then craft them with new gathered mats?

The front page of Lodestone does say they're for DoH:

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...? That would be possible... if this game used a recipe system. But.. it doesn't?

Have you crafted before?

It's more likely it may take some special materials only attainable through companies, a la the rubber items via the Einherjar NPCs in FFXI.

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Originally Posted by Sephrick

I don't think the "class-exclusive" means "battle class-exclusive."

If we look at what was in the last March producer letter it says "class-exclusive recipes" with the addendum "planned to be highly challenging synthesis.




I believe there's something SE is keeping secret about the "class-exclusive" part that has to do with DoH.

Either that or battle classes will use some sort of Grand Company facility to craft them theirselves and SE will /memberinthpoopschute to DoHs.

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While one would hope DoH and DoL will be getting exciting class specific gear, there was a direct reference to classes like GLA and CON getting their own unique gear. So we know it's coming.

Awesome... I love them

Everyone that is complaining about the moogle fist weapons can proceed to harpoon their own rear ends. Best weapon in the game. Will probably remain to be the best weapon in the game for years to come.

I like the bow and crazy space staff. Not a big fan of the glowing bricks but whatevs.

So these new gear will be provided by crafters. I'm wondering what will the costs and rewards be, and if crafters will only be able to make the gear corresponding to their own GC.

I could see that crafters need to farm, or buy (with gils) the mats, but sell the gear for company seals, either in a dedicated MW category, or via a NPC in the grand company command center.

Currently, there is no limit on how much GC gear is in circulation, but I could see that crafters need to constantly re-supply their GC for those specific gear so fighters can obtain them.
Given the very high cost for current high-end GC gear, this could be extremely rewarding to crafters in terms of seals.

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...? That would be possible... if this game used a recipe system. But.. it doesn't?

Have you crafted before?

It's more likely it may take some special materials only attainable through companies, a la the rubber items via the Einherjar NPCs in FFXI.

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I have crafted lots.

Just because we don't have a recipe book doesn't mean they can't just put a flag on our character.

Try to do the synth before obtaining it and it'll just tell you "You can't do anything with this materials."

Or they can make a simple change to the otherwise useless "Awarded Recipes" tab.

Plenty of ways to do it without adding a recipe book.

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While one would hope DoH and DoL will be getting exciting class specific gear, there was a direct reference to classes like GLA and CON getting their own unique gear. So we know it's coming.

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I was talking about the recipes, not the items.

Letter from the peoducer says they're "class-exclusive RECIPES" not "class-exclusive EQUIPMENT."

Which leads me to think there's some change to crafting in 1.22 that we haven't heard about yet. After all, aren't most recipes class-exclusive?

What about all this "GC gear"?
It's only in the english translated title

Eine ganze Palette neuer Ausrüstungsgegenständen
A whole range of new equipment

Ajout de nouveaux équipements
Addition of new equipment

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Originally Posted by Sephrick

I have crafted lots.

Just because we don't have a recipe book doesn't mean they can't just put a flag on our character.

Try to do the synth before obtaining it and it'll just tell you "You can't do anything with this materials."

Or they can make a simple change to the otherwise useless "Awarded Recipes" tab.

Plenty of ways to do it without adding a recipe book.



I was talking about the recipes, not the items.

Letter from the peoducer says they're "class-exclusive RECIPES" not "class-exclusive EQUIPMENT."

Which leads me to think there's some change to crafting in 1.22 that we haven't heard about yet. After all, aren't most recipes class-exclusive?

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Honestly, I think you're reading too much into semantics in that last bit.

Regarding recipes, what you're saying makes sense, at face value. However, there is currently no example of recipes being flagged with pre-requisites. The only way I could possibly see what you're describing working without adding a new system to the game, is for them to make it a repeatable quest, and require you to use the "craft item for quests" button to make the gear. Which would be seriously shoehorning a system that wasn't intended in.

Now could they easily build in a new pre-requisite system? Sure but that depends on how you define easily. They seem very against building any new systems into the game pre-2.0 whenever avoidable. As well they should, 2.0 is going to be a huge re-factor. Developing new systems in parallel is just asking for more work and trouble.

But my point is that it's far more likely for them to use a system already in place to limit crafting of these items based on company rank, should they choose. Simply adding a untradable item to the GC loot list, and requiring it for these recipes would have the effect. Then the DoH crafting the item would need to be a certain company rank, and to invest company seals per craft.


And to whomever was suggesting a unique auction category for crafters to sell these items for seals... While a neat idea, I would actually facepalm if they spent the time implementing a system like that. Simply due to the development implications vs. what other systems I'd rather see first regarding item sales, trading, etc.

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Originally Posted by Felis

What about all this "GC gear"?
It's only in the english translated title

Eine ganze Palette neuer Ausrüstungsgegenständen
A whole range of new equipment

Ajout de nouveaux équipements
Addition of new equipment

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The Japanese is equally devoid of any reference to the companies...


新式装備群について
Regarding new equipment

So either the English team let the cat out of the bag, or they gaffed?

well if nothing else i may finally have a reason to lvl my bsm past 44-45 whatever it is(i forget)

I want to know who is designing these new weapons, because I want their (figurative)head.

These look ridiculous. They look like plastic toys. As people have said, the LNC and PUG are particularly bad.

It's sad too, because back when this game was announced, and they were releasing all the weapon concept art and renders, it was the most exciting part to me. Seems that art direction has been abandoned.

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Regarding recipes, what you're saying makes sense, at face value. However, there is currently no example of recipes being flagged with pre-requisites. The only way I could possibly see what you're describing working without adding a new system to the game, is for them to make it a repeatable quest, and require you to use the "craft item for quests" button to make the gear. Which would be seriously shoehorning a system that wasn't intended in.

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It wouldn't take some complex system. Do a one-time quest or even just buy the recipe with seals that changes an if statement from no to yes then you can do the recipe at will.

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Originally Posted by Travesty

I want to know who is designing these new weapons, because I want their (figurative)head.

These look ridiculous. They look like plastic toys. As people have said, the LNC and PUG are particularly bad.

It's sad too, because back when this game was announced, and they were releasing all the weapon concept art and renders, it was the most exciting part to me. Seems that art direction has been abandoned.

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sorry to ruin your mcCry burger, but to me these seems way much elaborated than everything before. Or you're trying to state that sword seems worst than templar falchion ?

Complain, complain, complain... You're not going to like every item in this game, accept that. We've already got a large variety to choose from (AF, Darksteel, Garuda, Ifrit, Moogle). I like the new Darksteel weapons, including the glowing bricks of death.

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Originally Posted by Sephrick

It wouldn't take some complex system. Do a one-time quest or even just buy the recipe with seals that changes an if statement from no to yes then you can do the recipe at will.

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You're thinking inside a vacuum Sephrick. Where is that boolean value stored? In a database? Okay, what space is being allotted for it? Is it a key item? Okay so it functions like a treatise? But they're trying to take those out of the game, and currently there are no instances where a key item is checked to determine whether a recipe can be made or not.

All of the systems players want are simple when you think about them in a vacuum. But when you commit to implementing a new system, you want that system to be extensible, something you're going to use more in the future. I can only assume some more robust recipe system is coming in 2.0, so anything implemented now would have limited use.

No matter how many lines of code it is to add a feature, if it's not going to get more than one or two uses, it's an unnecessary liability. In terms of storage, in terms of breaking points, etc. While I by no means am implying that what you're describing is impossible, it simply makes a hell of a lot of more sense to make a necessary item for the synth come from GC points, as that system already exists.

That said, these may have nothing to do with GCs after all, and it may have just been a gaff by the English translators.

craftable, but are they meldable.hmmm

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Originally Posted by Felis

What about all this "GC gear"?
It's only in the english translated title

Eine ganze Palette neuer Ausrüstungsgegenständen
A whole range of new equipment

Ajout de nouveaux équipements
Addition of new equipment

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Maybe it will be rewards for Hamlet defense. You obtain Components and you can craft Items with them.
Weapon 1.22 & 1.22a / Hamlet defense Gridania 1.22 thanalan/Limsa 1.22a

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

craftable, but are they meldable.hmmm

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Isn't that the entire point of craftable gear? Can you think of any exceptions where crafted gear is not meldable? (Aside from dated gear, which is irrelevant.)

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Originally Posted by Ramsey

Isn't that the entire point of craftable gear? Can you think of any exceptions where crafted gear is not meldable? (Aside from dated gear, which is irrelevant.)

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They won't let us meld accessories for whatever reason.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

They won't let us meld accessories for whatever reason.

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That's by design on the entire class of item. Which is irrelevant to my point. To answer your musing though, it's a balance issue, they need to balance unique materia for accessories, they may have plans to do that, but have not implemented yet.

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Originally Posted by Ramsey

Isn't that the entire point of craftable gear? Can you think of any exceptions where crafted gear is not meldable? (Aside from dated gear, which is irrelevant.)

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i thought some of the crafted NM gear wasn't meldable but mog box says it is so ill have to trust them.

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Originally Posted by Ramsey

You're thinking inside a vacuum Sephrick. Where is that boolean value stored? In a database? Okay, what space is being allotted for it? Is it a key item? Okay so it functions like a treatise? But they're trying to take those out of the game, and currently there are no instances where a key item is checked to determine whether a recipe can be made or not.

All of the systems players want are simple when you think about them in a vacuum. But when you commit to implementing a new system, you want that system to be extensible, something you're going to use more in the future. I can only assume some more robust recipe system is coming in 2.0, so anything implemented now would have limited use.

No matter how many lines of code it is to add a feature, if it's not going to get more than one or two uses, it's an unnecessary liability. In terms of storage, in terms of breaking points, etc. While I by no means am implying that what you're describing is impossible, it simply makes a hell of a lot of more sense to make a necessary item for the synth come from GC points, as that system already exists.

That said, these may have nothing to do with GCs after all, and it may have just been a gaff by the English translators.

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The "system" would have to be about as complex as the armoire. Just a simple yes or no from a database.

But I suppose it's beside the point. I was just tossing out ideas, not trying to state any sort of fact. But they are revising a lot of crafting. Taking away the action timer, speeding up and shortening animations, a plethora of local Leve changes. I didn't think it was too far-fetched to throw in something like this, especially if it was a change to the unused "Awarded Recipes" tab. Sure, local Leve "rewards" go there now but with the changes to local Leve rewards coming, it would have been an opportunity.

But if this really doesn't have anything to do with Grand Companies it makes it all moot anyway. Hopefully the translators get on that and change the headline. Admittedly, it would make the story make more sense.

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Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi

i grow tired of your crying. After 1 year you should have learn this is just filling content, and no whine could change it.
come 2.0 you can have all your long-time goals you can handle, but not now, so for once stop it

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good thing i'm not really crying.

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Originally Posted by Finalfreak

I don't get why people complain stuff looks to 'cartoon'-ish. What's bad about that? This is Final 'Fantasy'. If I want more realistic stuff, I'll probably play other games...
I'm happy we finally get some funny looking weapons/gear! :)

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Thing about final fantasy, they go for a more realistic approach. That's why I like them.

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

yes i can think of some, can you?

edit im guessing you cant, mosshorn scale mail...

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Mosshorn Scale mail should be meldable

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Originally Posted by Felis

Mosshorn Scale mail should be meldable

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moogle box says it is meldable...

Anyways if these crafted items are meldable then im guessing they will be junk. Se would be to scared of them being op and nerf the base damage stat. Id rather them be blue/rare crafted not meldable then just be more crafted junk.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

Thing about final fantasy, they go for a more realistic approach. That's why I like them.

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http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy...so_artwork.jpg
http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy...h-FFVIIArt.png

I know, totally realistic! I run into things like this in reality all the time!

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Originally Posted by Rokien

Thing about final fantasy 11, they go for a more realistic approach. That's why I like them.

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fixed it for you

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

Anyways if these crafted items are meldable then im guessing they will be junk. Se would be to scared of them being op and nerf the base damage stat. Id rather them be blue/rare crafted not meldable then just be more crafted junk.

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Why should they been junk. Just put in 2 or 3 materias

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

fixed it for you

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Some people seriously play stupid lol, it's quite obvious by "realistic approach" it feels more like a real world than unicorns spewing rainbows everywhere like plenty of other RPG series in the earlier days.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Why should they been junk. Just put in 2 or 3 materias

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Materia wont make up for awful base damage stats

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Originally Posted by Dawiichan

Did anyone else notice that it says:

Then the producer's letter

So these weapons are only for classes then? Probably trying to separate the classes from jobs even more and trying to make them more useful.

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Hi All,

This is a great point from Dawiichan.

At first I was wondering also, about how they might balance these new Grand Company / Crafted Weapons and Garuda Weapons.

So what we've heard so far from Yoshida-san is:

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Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida

In order to deliver the patch to you in time for Golden Week, I’m afraid we’ve had to postpone a number of things. These include job-exclusive weapons, chat log reforms, and other content I touched on last time. With regards to hamlet defense, only Hyrstmill will be ready for 1.22; the remaining two hamlets will go live in 1.22a, which is scheduled for May 10. We also have plans for a patch 1.22b, which is expected to follow shortly thereafter. You can rest assured that we will maintain our pace even after 1.22 is released!

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So these Weapons aren't the Job-Exlusive Weapons (although I still wonder how they'll eventually balance them compared to Garuda / Ifrit / Moogle Weapons).

And as Dawii and a few others have pointed out, the English terminology does seem to point to the fact that these "Grand Company Equipment" might really be *Class*-Exlusive instead of Job-Exclusive (which would help to make Classes something appealing for certain players / situations). And they're Crafted, by Disciples of the Hand, so these might be the next "tier" of Crafted Weapons to make them more competitive with Primal Weapons?

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Patch 1.22 will see the addition of new weapons and armor available for crafting by Disciples of the Hand...

* New weapon recipes planned for patch 1.22 are for gladiator, pugilist, marauder, and lancer classes only. Weapons for other classes are planned for release sometime after patch 1.22a.

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And in Yoshida-san's Letter from Producer XXVI, he mentions both Job-Exclusive Weapons *and* Class-Exclusive Recipes... so I think there is a distinction (and that there really will be Class-Exclusive Equipment (i.e., not just a translation error)):

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1.22 -NEW-
High-level recipes -NEW-
Addition of class-exclusive high-level recipes
* Planned to be highly challenging synthesis.

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Ultimately, we'll find out this week! (I can't believe the next major patch is coming this week already!) Joy~ :)

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

fixed it for you

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Actually, prior to these 2 last big weapon releases, that could have said 11 and 14.

These last 2 represent a significant change in art direction, and art direction, up to this point, was one of the few things this game excelled at.

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

Materia wont make up for awful base damage stats

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Why should the new craftable weapons and gears have worse stats than the old craftable weapons and gears?

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Remember, this is a fantasy game. All those kids that cried over realism being in a video game and it should look more and more cartoony? They got their wish.

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Must have been on another website, because that didn't happen here. Don't lie to help your argument.

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Originally Posted by Travesty

Actually, prior to these 2 last big weapon releases, that could have said 11 and 14.

These last 2 represent a significant change in art direction, and art direction, up to this point, was one of the few things this game excelled at.

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yes, that could have been said for ff14 version 1. but ever since 2.0 was announced we've been in a development stage. FF14 version 2 is obviously gonna be a lot different from version 1 and people should pass judgment until the final product is unveiled. If you look at the 2.0 concept art you can plainly see they are going for a more fantasy approach and veering away from a lot of the realism. FF11 was the only ff to be so realistic and with 2.0 coming it may be the last one.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Why should the new craftable weapons and gears have worse stats than the old craftable weapons and gears?

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i never said they would be worse then old crafted, im saying they prob wont compete with rare(ifrit)because if they are meldable they wont have as high of base damage. Im speculating here so dont read to much into it.

Yea wonder if those weapons are in fact class exclusive. However, its a BRD thats holding the bow (Darklight can only be worn by jobs)

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Originally Posted by Isaveron

Must have been on another website, because that didn't happen here. Don't lie to help your argument.

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It does happen here, don't lie to help your argument

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

i never said they would be worse then old crafted, im saying they prob wont compete with rare(ifrit)because if they are meldable they wont have as high of base damage. Im speculating here so dont read to much into it.

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Get Ivory Staff, put in 3 Hell's Fist Materia IV and you get a weapon better than Ifrit's Cudgel ^^

what's all this about class exclusive weapons? You guys must have read a different letter than me. I didn't see anything about class exclusive weapons.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Get Ivory Staff, put in 3 Hell's Fist Materia IV and you get a weapon better than Ifrit's Cudgel ^^

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im sorry, i forgot to mention i was talking about non mage weapons, didnt think i needed to since everyone knows they suck.

what is your fix to make an ax better then ifrits ax...

I think these are far less silly than the primal weapons.

That being said, I'd gladly welcome some more believable weapons too.