Toxic WHM Glare spammers

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Originally Posted by Rae88

I met someone who wouldn't heal me yesterday. They were a scholar. Left me at 20% and I died to the next raid wide. Rezzed but wouldn't heal died again to the next raidwide. What class is your avatar? Scholar? Oh no, don't do that, my latest bad personal experience has made me biased against ALL scholars. Broiling away and not healing or shielding, only caring about their DPS.

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SCH really has very large DPS windows, it is a pity that this player does not know how to use them well. And yes, I believe that you could have met 80% of bad SCHs, cause good SCHs even fewer than good WHMs. Not sarcasm.

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Originally Posted by RajNish

SCH really has very large DPS windows, it is a pity that this player does not know how to use them well. And yes, I believe that you could have met 80% of bad SCHs, cause good SCHs even fewer than good WHMs. Not sarcasm.

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You wanna answer any actual questions or critique? Or are you just going to keep only replying to sarcasm?

Really shows the character of the person behind the keyboard. I'm unimpressed.

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Originally Posted by RajNish

Yep, it was just one of an endless army of green dps.

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Fair enough. I notice you've hidden your character on a website we won't name here. Being a competent Savage SCH, I doubt you have anything to hide. A quick glance would be enough to see that at least a number of your runs were with glarebots and back your claim up.

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Originally Posted by Veis_Alveare

You wanna answer any actual questions or critique? Or are you just going to keep only replying to sarcasm?

Really shows the character of the person behind the keyboard. I'm unimpressed.

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If he did that, then it'd mean he had a genuine argument. As opposed to being evasive. At this point I would say better cease engaging. When people start using disingenuous methods to try and win an argument then you know they're not interested in facts or reality but in being right, by which point they inevitably just waste your time with their mental gymnastics.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

Fair enough. I notice you've hidden your character on a website we won't name here. Being a competent Savage SCH, I doubt you have anything to hide. A quick glance would be enough to see that at least a number of your runs were with glarebots and back your claim up.

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My profile is open and can be easily viewed on Lodestone. What site are you talking about?

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Originally Posted by RajNish

My profile is open and can be easily viewed on Lodestone. What site are you talking about?

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Oh look, more intellectual dishonesty! Imagine my shock.

Because, let's all be very clear, in order to hide his character on that website OP has to be aware of that website. He's also aware it can't be mentioned here because if someone directly does he'll be happy to report them.

I'm genuinely surprised an FC member showed up to white knight this behavior. Were this being done by someone in my FC they'd be deservedly kicked to the curb.

It's okay, even without access to the forbidden website I can confidently say I'm sure he's a greyt sch.

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Originally Posted by Veis_Alveare

I just don't like people spreading misinformation on this forum which is often visited by new players.

Saying "glare-spamming WHMs" as if it's a bad thing makes it seem like you shouldn't be spamming Glare as a WHM... this is false. You very much should be.

I am a Glare-spamming WHM and I'm proud of it. I mean, in actuality I'm more of a Malefic-spamming AST but the principal is still the same.

Stop discouraging people from playing correctly. It's bad.

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Go read my position on this on page 4, I'm not gonna type it in again.

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Originally Posted by Hatfright

Read again. I have a problem with people not using anything on huge raidwides and not willing to cover some mistakes for others in order for everyone to succeed and be done with the fight quickly cuz of their "the other one will do it" mentality. I wiped to many times on Hades doom phase exactly cuz of WHMs doing nothing but glares, despite their ability to heal that very quickly. I'm maybe wearing glasses, but I'm not blind, I see if there's an ODCD popping off or not.
If you know your job well and act like it, I have no problems with you. If you preffer to let others do all the work and spam 1 button no matter what — get out of my group, you're not welcomed here. As far as I know, difference in playstyles is a legit reason for kick. =)

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Originally Posted by Hatfright

Go read my position on this on page 4, I'm not gonna type it in again.

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Your opinion is ill-informed and biased.

"I saw this thing in this fight" is not evidence of any specific problem. It's also not a reason to act as if it was a good idea for your buddy to post such a misleading and, to borrow a word you people love, toxic forum post.

If you're unable to dps and cover the healing necessary for frankly basically all of hades with ease at this point you've got no place farming an EX primal. Opportunity cost is also a thing - if you're at the end of a dps check and both healers are down to their GCD heals the WHM isn't the one you want interrupting their dps. Their Glare is worth more than a Malefic or Broil.

I deal with this all the time as an AST. As the weakest damage filler job I will happily use whatever GCD heals I need to in order to keep the party up as long as I see a WHM doing things like popping Temperance, Asylum and the like.

Keep Glaring WHMs, don't let people who can't do math get to you.

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Originally Posted by Veis_Alveare

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I mean, I have a predujice against WHMs at this point in time, which I stated in my very firts post in this topic. I don't know what are you trying to accoplish tellin me that I have one again. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Cuz, yeah, majority of bad healers I've met in my playtime were WHMs, nothing you can do about that, I'm afraid.
Also, look a fun police, telling people if they should or shouldn't run certain content! Cute.

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Originally Posted by Hatfright

I mean, I have a predujice against WHMs at this point in time, which I stated in my very firts post in this topic. I don't know what are you trying to accoplish tellin me that I have one again. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Cuz, yeah, majority of bad healers I've met in my playtime were WHMs, nothing you can do about that, I'm afraid.
Also, look a fun police, telling people if they should or shouldn't run certain content! Cute.

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If you're incompetent you should study up and learn how your job works before entering any content with an enrage.

That isn't a hot take. It isn't being the fun police. It's just being considerate.

I could care less about your unfounded WHM prejudices, you're only hurting yourselves.

Honestly if you notice one job being played worse than the others it's almost always just a confirmation bias on your part. We notice the bad players far more than we notice the good ones already and when you're already predisposed to feeling one job has a lagging skill floor then you're more likely to pick up on infractions made by people playing it. I did the same thing in regards to AST players for the longest time back during HW and SB. Not because AST players are genuinely more likely to be bad, but because the few bad ones I encountered made me hyper aware of mistakes going forward. Which then made me watch AST players a lot more closely than I would any other healer. Couple that with me being a SCH main and the fact that newbie AST's often don't know you can't stack shields and it's pretty obvious that I'd develop an erroneous sense that the job itself just attracted bad players. Doesn't mean it's true however, and once I got my head out of my rump and stopped hyper focusing on the AST players it became pretty clear that they didn't attract poor play anymore than the other classes. I was just ignoring the vast majority of the people playing the job to feed into my own complex.

Best advice? Step back, breathe, and stop hyper focusing on WHM players in expectation of them making a mistake. You're only going to feed your own irritation when one inevitably does no matter how long it might take.

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Originally Posted by Veis_Alveare

If you're incompetent you should study up and learn how your job works before entering any content with an enrage.

That isn't a hot take. It isn't being the fun police. It's just being considerate.

I could care less about your unfounded WHM prejudices, you're only hurting yourselves.

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Oh, I agree, if healers cant heal the party to the full during doom over and over, they should be replaced, and thats exactly what I do. Not a fan of me clemensing the party to victory cuz someone not doing their job. Not my fault they're glaring WHMs most of my runs. Had enough of that, I'd rather spend my time waiting for AST\SCH in PF for 2 min longer than pick up WHM and then spend 20 min diyin to that same "doom". It's not like I'm forcing anybody else to do the same, so I don't see why are you so desperate to convince me I shouldn't do that.
And "incompetence" is a little to serious word for a game, don't you think tho?

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Originally Posted by Enla

Honestly if you notice one job being played worse than the others it's almost always just a confirmation bias on your part. We notice the bad players far more than we notice the good ones already and when you're already predisposed to feeling one job has a lagging skill floor then you're more likely to pick up on infractions made by people playing it. I did the same thing in regards to AST players for the longest time back during HW and SB. Not because AST players are genuinely more likely to be bad, but because the few bad ones I encountered made me hyper aware of mistakes going forward. Which then made me watch AST players a lot more closely than I would any other healer. Couple that with me being a SCH main and the fact that newbie AST's often don't know you can't stack shields and it's pretty obvious that I'd develop an erroneous sense that the job itself just attracted bad players. Doesn't mean it's true however, and once I got my head out of my rump and stopped hyper focusing on the AST players it became pretty clear that they didn't attract poor play anymore than the other classes. I was just ignoring the vast majority of the people playing the job to feed into my own complex.

Best advice? Step back, breathe, and stop hyper focusing on WHM players in expectation of them making a mistake. You're only going to feed your own irritation when one inevitably does no matter how long it might take.

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I understand what you are talking about, and that sounds reasonable. Thanks for these words. But these people will not think about what they are doing if I'll take even two steps back. There are inexperienced players, and there are simply irresponsible ones. It’s not that I’m very annoyed with them, but leaving the party or kicking is not very pleasant.

Tbh all healer jobs can blindly spam their attack spell and dot and just ignore party death and let their partner healer solo heal. I don’t care if you spam dps spells because it helps getting past enrage, but I do care if all you do is spam dps spells and expect me to solo heal the fight. To mitigate this, SE could just increase incoming damage for healers to handle. Some extra healing would be nice over just mashing one dps spell. :)

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Originally Posted by Thoosa

Tbh all healer jobs can blindly spam their attack spell and dot and just ignore party death and let their partner healer solo heal. I don’t care if you spam dps spells because it helps getting past enrage, but I do care if all you do is spam dps spells and expect me to solo heal the fight. To mitigate this, SE could just increase incoming damage for healers to handle. Some extra healing would be nice over just mashing one dps spell. :)

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I don't think increasing the incoming damage will help in this situation. With each new tier of gear, even though synchronized, this damage decreases. WHM is an imbalance class, despite its really brilliant performance, it needs to be reworked. Some people complain that they are bored with healing or saying that they can fix everything using one skill. Probably, if this class were better balanced, this would not have happened. But balancing it so that originality are not lost is a very long and delicate job.

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Originally Posted by Hatfright

Oh, I agree, if healers cant heal the party to the full during doom over and over, they should be replaced, and thats exactly what I do. Not a fan of me clemensing the party to victory cuz someone not doing their job. Not my fault they're glaring WHMs most of my runs. Had enough of that, I'd rather spend my time waiting for AST\SCH in PF for 2 min longer than pick up WHM and then spend 20 min diyin to that same "doom". It's not like I'm forcing anybody else to do the same, so I don't see why are you so desperate to convince me I shouldn't do that.
And "incompetence" is a little to serious word for a game, don't you think tho?

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If you aren't competent (as this thread would lead me to believe about you and your cohort) then incompetence seems like a perfect word to use here.

If you think holding out for the healers who have less access to on-demand lifesaving heals is smart it only goes to prove my point more.

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Originally Posted by Veis_Alveare

If you aren't competent (as this thread would lead me to believe about you and your cohort) then incompetence seems like a perfect word to use here.
If you think holding out for the healers who have less access to on-demand lifesaving heals is smart it only goes to prove my point more.

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I'm lost. So am I "incompetent" for not knowing how my job works or for refusing to waste my time with lazy healers? Pick one already.
Refusing to deal with "I have so many options to save everybody, but I won't, cuz GLARE" is my choise and since you have a veeery little chance to run into me on your own clears of whatevers, I don't see how is it your probrem besides your hurt WHM feelings.

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Originally Posted by Thoosa

Tbh all healer jobs can blindly spam their attack spell and dot and just ignore party death and let their partner healer solo heal. I don’t care if you spam dps spells because it helps getting past enrage, but I do care if all you do is spam dps spells and expect me to solo heal the fight. To mitigate this, SE could just increase incoming damage for healers to handle. Some extra healing would be nice over just mashing one dps spell. :)

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Or decrease healing potency. Less time to blindly spam whatever, more time stategizing. Scripted fights tho, won't be so much of a fun either way. And just imagine how many people'll start a forum crusade of "basic content is too hard".

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Originally Posted by Hatfright

I'm lost. So am I "incompetent" for not knowing how my job works or for refusing to waste my time with lazy healers? Pick one already.
Refusing to deal with "I have so many options to save everybody, but I won't, cuz GLARE" is my choise and since you have a veeery little chance to run into me on your own clears of whatevers, I don't see how is it your probrem besides your hurt WHM feelings.

Or decrease healing potency. Less time to blindly spam whatever, more time stategizing. Scripted fights tho, won't be so much of a fun either way. And just imagine how many people'll start a forum crusade of "basic content is too hard".

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I didn't call you incompetent, don't put words in my mouth. I said based on this thread I would believe that you were. There's a difference.

You two are on Spriggan, there's literally no chance of me encountering you. Please don't make alts on Primal I guess?

I'm not a WHM main and haven't been for more than two years now.

Okay, now that I've corrected all the things you're objectively wrong about for what feels like the fifth time...

The reason I'd wager you don't really know what you're doing is simple. You're complaining about another healer "spamming their attack spell" as if you couldn't just heal the party yourself and just be happy they're at least dpsing at all. You white knighted your friend (both with hidden logs btw) who has created a topic that discourages the proper play of WHM when there are enough curebots out there already.

So yeah. You guys aren't doing much to inspire confidence in your ability to play the game, much less to critique the way others are playing.

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Originally Posted by Veis_Alveare

I didn't call you incompetent, don't put words in my mouth. I said based on this thread I would believe that you were. There's a difference.

You two are on Spriggan, there's literally no chance of me encountering you. Please don't make alts on Primal I guess?

I'm not a WHM main and haven't been for more than two years now.

Okay, now that I've corrected all the things you're objectively wrong about for what feels like the fifth time...

The reason I'd wager you don't really know what you're doing is simple. You're complaining about another healer "spamming their attack spell" as if you couldn't just heal the party yourself and just be happy they're at least dpsing at all. You white knighted your friend (both with hidden logs btw) who has created a topic that discourages the proper play of WHM when there are enough curebots out there already.

So yeah. You guys aren't doing much to inspire confidence in your ability to play the game, much less to critique the way others are playing.

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No, I can't just heal the whole party. You know why? I'm usually a guy takin the most beating. As, you know, a tank. Don't tell me you want a tank to heal trough "Doom" while WHM tries to glare their way despite knowing if they wont full everybodys hp bar during that we'll all die and have to restart the whole fight. Again, wiped to many times at exactly that, w\o a single ODCD from our precios little spammers. Not a fan of it. Which I stated more than once. Not like you read that properly. Why don't you re-read the very first post in the topic. There is nothing that says "All you WHMs are baddies", but there's a clear acknowledgment of subjective expirience with some bad WHMs who done exactly zero healing. Yet so many people started to defend themselfs like their life depended on it. L. O. L.

And what is a log even?

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Originally Posted by Hatfright

No, I can't just heal the whole party. You know why? I'm usually a guy takin the most beating. As, you know, a tank. Don't tell me you want a tank to heal trough "Doom" while WHM tries to glare their way despite knowing if they wont full everybodys hp bar during that we'll all die and have to restart the whole fight. Again, wiped to many times at exactly that, w\o a single ODCD from our precios little spammers. Not a fan of it. Which I stated more than once. Not like you read that properly. Why don't you re-read the very first post in the topic. There is nothing that says "All you WHMs are baddies", but there's a clear acknowledgment of subjective expirience with some bad WHMs who done exactly zero healing. Yet so many people started to defend themselfs like their life depended on it. L. O. L.

And what is a log even?

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You know what a log is because you've gone through the trouble of hiding them. Don't play dumb, it's not a good look.

If you're tanking and you think AST and SCH will have an easier time healing you to full I'd call that a lack of understanding of healer kits on your part. As a WHM it's real easy to pop plenary+Cure3 there for tanks and healers, similar to orb phase back on chaos. I've farmed 99 totems for my mount then helped others and I don't recall any time beyond like the first week or so that I've had to use more than my Star there with a WHM. It's actually spicier with SCH as an AST since they'll indom but indom+star won't mean full HP. I usually suck it up then and will Horoscope+Aspected Helios as well. Maybe a CO to be safe.

Point is I've done this fight plenty. It doesn't take very much healing, just like the nier raid your friend was talking about. It's easy content. There's no way you're dying left and right to lack of heals unless there's something else going on here.

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Originally Posted by Veis_Alveare

You know what a log is because you've gone through the trouble of hiding them. Don't play dumb, it's not a good look.

If you're tanking and you think AST and SCH will have an easier time healing you to full I'd call that a lack of understanding of healer kits on your part. As a WHM it's real easy to pop plenary+Cure3 there for tanks and healers, similar to orb phase back on chaos. I've farmed 99 totems for my mount then helped others and I don't recall any time beyond like the first week or so that I've had to use more than my Star there with a WHM. It's actually spicier with SCH as an AST since they'll indom but indom+star won't mean full HP. I usually suck it up then and will Horoscope+Aspected Helios as well. Maybe a CO to be safe.

Point is I've done this fight plenty. It doesn't take very much healing, just like the nier raid your friend was talking about. It's easy content. There's no way you're dying left and right to lack of heals unless there's something else going on here.

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My lass, or lad, no matter, I have literally nothing to hide. I've been playing for almost 3 years now and I kid you not, I have no idea what are you talking about. May be cuz I preffer to stick to myself and my friends and not interact with community unless absolutely nessecary.

See, there's the case. I usually DO have a better time w/o WHM in a party. Like I said, cuz most I've met preffer to glare, not to utilize their kit at all. PFs and randoms do be like that. I don't know how many times I should repeat it. It was, what, 5 times already?

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Originally Posted by Hatfright

My lass, or lad, no matter, I have literally nothing to hide. I've been playing for almost 3 years now and I kid you not, I have no idea what are you talking about. May be cuz I preffer to stick to myself and my friends and not interact with community unless absolutely nessecary.

See, there's the case. I usually DO have a better time w/o WHM in a party. Like I said, cuz most I've met preffer to glare, not to utilize their kit at all. PFs and randoms do be like that. I don't know how many times I should repeat it. It was, what, 5 times already?

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Based on everything you and your friend have said here, I suspect the reason you don't see WHMs utilizing their healing kit is because you're quick to heal. If you're keeping people topped off when it isn't necessary, you can bet most WHMs are going to think "oh, one of those people" and not bother healing at all, because you've obviously got that covered.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

Based on everything you and your friend have said here, I suspect the reason you don't see WHMs utilizing their healing kit is because you're quick to heal. If you're keeping people topped off when it isn't necessary, you can bet most WHMs are going to think "oh, one of those people" and not bother healing at all, because you've obviously got that covered.

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Yeeeeah, tanks are knowlegable for topping everyone in 2 seconds, how did I forgot.

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Originally Posted by Hatfright

Yeeeeah, tanks are knowlegable for topping everyone in 2 seconds, how did I forgot.

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You have your healers leveled to 80. Don't act like you haven't played them.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

You have your healers leveled to 80. Don't act like you haven't played them.

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In content that requares 2 healers? No, I haven't. Only if my buddy watching my back, never with randoms. Way too laggy for me to heal othewise.

Had a whm yesterday in Bozja,, literally only used glare and watched all 5 dps die lol. Not even a raise after xD. Party disbanded after the CE.

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Originally Posted by Hatfright

In content that requares 2 healers? No, I haven't. Only if my buddy watching my back, never with randoms. Way too laggy for me to heal othewise.

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And you've already mentioned using Clemency, which I honestly suspect you're far too quick on the draw for. Because Clemency spamming PLDs are basically what healers complain about. I would not be surprised at all if you're one.

Also, pretty much nobody in this thread has defended themselves except your buddy and you. They're just trying to get you to stop spreading misinformation and discouraging proper good play.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

And you've already mentioned using Clemency, which I honestly suspect you're far too quick on the draw for. Because Clemency spamming PLDs are basically what healers complain about. I would not be surprised at all if you're one.

Also, pretty much nobody in this thread has defended themselves except your buddy and you. They're just trying to get you to stop spreading misinformation and discouraging proper good play.

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I'm gonna just "stare in camera" at this one.

— I've met some WHMs who don't heal at all.
— But they can use this and that and be done with it.
— Yeah, I know they can, but they didn't.
— https://media1.tenor.com/images/5890...temid=12711164
How does noone sees this whole topic looks like that.

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Originally Posted by Hatfright

I'm gonna just "stare in camera" at this one.

— I've met some WHMs who don't heal at all.
— But they can use this and that and be done with it.
— Yeah, I know they can, but they didn't.
— https://media1.tenor.com/images/5890...temid=12711164
How does noone sees this whole topic looks like that.

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And I've met Ice Mages. I've met ASTs and SCHs, and even, yes, WHMs who only healed and didn't dps at all. What's your point?

Meeting bad players is going to happen. That's the nature of PUGs.

The problem here is that you are taking a few cases and taking some clearly extreme liberties with painting a bad picture. You met someone who didn't use their kit? Nobody is going to call you a liar for that. Claiming 80% of WHMs -- or even just 80% of WHMs you have personally encountered -- do it, though, is absurd.

And then instead of making the thread about "healers (or even WHMs if you want to talk about your single Puppet's Bunker or Hades run) who don't heal at all," the thread was made as if healers spamming their dps spell is a bad thing.

These are the king of things that lead people to believe you probably aren't very good players, or at least don't have a good understanding of how healers are best played.

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Originally Posted by Hatfright

I'm gonna just "stare in camera" at this one.

— I've met some WHMs who don't heal at all.
— But they can use this and that and be done with it.
— Yeah, I know they can, but they didn't.
— https://media1.tenor.com/images/5890...temid=12711164
How does noone sees this whole topic looks like that.

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this is what happens when you make an utter pointless thread just to vent, people come and try hard to find a point. Whether your friend meant it or not this is a troll thread, you went i denounce (to put it kindly thanks ToS) that group in particular. what did you expect it would happen?

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

And I've met Ice Mages. I've met ASTs and SCHs, and even, yes, WHMs who only healed and didn't dps at all. What's your point?

Meeting bad players is going to happen. That's the nature of PUGs.

The problem here is that you are taking a few cases and taking some clearly extreme liberties with painting a bad picture. You met someone who didn't use their kit? Nobody is going to call you a liar for that. Claiming 80% of WHMs -- or even just 80% of WHMs you have personally encountered -- do it, though, is absurd.

And then instead of making the thread about "healers (or even WHMs if you want to talk about your single Puppet's Bunker or Hades run) who don't heal at all," the thread was made as if healers spamming their dps spell is a bad thing.

These are the king of things that lead people to believe you probably aren't very good players, or at least don't have a good understanding of how healers are best played.

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Mhm. Describing my subjective expirience is "painting a bad picture". Got it.

I find it extremely funny how instead of laughing it all off with "yeah, some people do be like that, don't they?" from the very beginning so many people started to explain how this is subjective despite noone claiming othewise, and tried to blame us for that very thing. Oh, and teachings on how healing work in this game. Makes me wonder why is that. :thinking:

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Originally Posted by Hatfright

My lass, or lad, no matter, I have literally nothing to hide. I've been playing for almost 3 years now and I kid you not, I have no idea what are you talking about. May be cuz I preffer to stick to myself and my friends and not interact with community unless absolutely nessecary.

See, there's the case. I usually DO have a better time w/o WHM in a party. Like I said, cuz most I've met preffer to glare, not to utilize their kit at all. PFs and randoms do be like that. I don't know how many times I should repeat it. It was, what, 5 times already?

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A broken record is not convincing anyone of anything.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

That's the nature of PUGs.

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There are good guys among the pugs, as well as among the WHM's, but no one condemns the prejudice of the pugs.

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Originally Posted by HeulGDarian

what did you expect it would happen?

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I dunno, for people to be less dense and maybe for them to share some funny stories about said non-healing healers. It is a "general discussion" after all.
But nah, let's pick on some words I said!

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Originally Posted by Hatfright

— I've met some WHMs who don't heal at all.
— But they can use this and that and be done with it.
— Yeah, I know they can, but they didn't.
— https://media1.tenor.com/images/5890...temid=12711164
How does noone sees this whole topic looks like that.

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Because the claim was not "I've met some WHM's who don't heal". It was:

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Originally Posted by RajNish

80% of at least 50 will be 40. Have I met about 40 bad WHM's? Exactly yes.

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Which most here feel is an exaggeration.

I hope to get the WHMs the OP gets. Here is the thing as a tank you pop CDs and do big pulls. You have no reason to whine if you dont die. If you die once, ok no prob. But if you die 2+ times, then you have the right to kick them.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

Which most here feel is an exaggeration.

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...you know what a hyperbolization is, right?

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Originally Posted by Hatfright

...you know what a hyperbolization is, right?

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Yes, which is why the 80% statistic was pointed out as exaggeration or probable hyperbole by other posters pages ago. At which point OP responded that it was not hyperbole or exaggeration, making the "I have met 40 bad WHMs, and 40 out of 50 is 80%" statement as evidence that 80% was literal factual statistics and not hyperbole. If that isn't what OP actually meant, then it's easy enough to post a clarification of "okay, I only meant I've seen a lot of WHMs that I feel are doing this, and that's an inflated percentage to illustrate how prevalent I feel like it is". But thus far, every time someone has pointed that out as possible exaggeration, OP has seemingly insisted that it is not.

And there's a chance that people will assume that the person who says "this is not hyperbole" did not, in fact, intend a given statement as hyperbole.

So yes, people are probably going to try to address "well, if you genuinely believe that 80% of all white mages act this way, you might be misinterpreting some things or not know how the job works" and pointing out what might be going on.

As I said, several pages ago, I can believe that OP has run into WHMs who they perceive as being DPS-obsessed rather than healing; I doubt any of us in this thread would say that's a lie. I can even believe some of them were DPS-obsessed and let people die. I don't think it's actually that prevalent an issue, but I don't play on your server so perhaps your datacenter is very different than mine.

But I cannot believe that literally only one out of every five white mages across the entire game bothers to heal, while the other four all only DPS... and that is what OP gives every appearance of insisting is a real statistic, and not hyperbole in the least.

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Originally Posted by Packetdancer

I doubt any of us in this thread would say that's a lie. I can even believe some of them were DPS-obsessed and let people die. I don't think it's actually that prevalent an issue, but I don't play on your server so perhaps your datacenter is very different than mine.

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To be honest, I would like the situation to look different. But, according to my subjective feelings, nope. Of course, we can say that the bad is remembered better, but WHM is the class in which, according to my observations, unscrupulous players abuse the most. Well, memes about green DPS with the WHM icon are also exists for a reason. In fact, if someone was offended by my 80%, I'm sorry, it is not difficult to change, just to say that there were 70 or even 60, so that people would just be calm do not take personally? But the situation will not get better from this. Several of my friends play this class, and as I said above, they also complain about those who only do damage and nothing else. For this reason, many of them prefer to take a well-known co-healer to the party.

Just gonna toss this out there in regards to the proposed 80% statistic.

WHM is the most played healer in basically all content. If 80% of WHMs healed so little as to let people die all the time, or shoved the full burden of healing onto their cohealers in full party scenarios, wouldn't this be a prevalent enough issue that it would be widely regarded as fact by now?

Like, this would mean the community reaction to seeing a WHM would be "oh no, they almost assuredly aren't going to heal me, I am going to die" which, if we look back at 3.0 AST (which had a different source problem but the end result of not healing enough was the same) would mean WHMs would be getting kicked regularly just for simply being WHMs.

I mean heck, if there was a single job that the presence of signaled death that frequently for whatever reason I would probably be kicking them myself.

So why is it with this ridiculous statistic (and let's be clear even a far lower percentage than 80 would still be laughable but this guy decided to stick to 80 so here we are) even being debated at all?

There is currently zero evidence for the claims the OP has made, far more people countering his points than agreeing with him and ample evidence for anyone who cares to look up actual damage and healing statistics for this game to literally know that this is a bunch of bull.