Viera can't use the new Modern Aesthetics - Modern Legend

In terms of the 2 new races I think the real issue in all of this is they spread themselves a bit thin by creating 2 different races and putting them out at the same time, they're basically incomplete customisation wise in terms of hair as well as the obvious missing opposite sex of both. I honestly think this wont be sorted till 6.0 at least as creating new races tskes significant amounts of time though in the case of the newest ones having created one sex at least reduces the work creating the other if the other is not too significantly different.

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Originally Posted by VirusOnline

The issue is that the races were rushed out to begin with.
This is a signal the SE was ill prepared and put out an unfinished product, functional in all sense of the game, save for player's ability to customize them which is deemed a low priority.

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Well, to SE this is a finished product. That's why "finishing" them is low priority.. They are already finished! If and when they add extra hairs that is just a bonus.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

On the totally hypothetical chance that someone considered posting pictures of modded characters on the official forums of a game that bans you from making any third-party modifications to your character... it's not a great idea to do that.

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I got it from my FC discord- also using mods like this doesnt get you banned-> http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1408111

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

You are right and i wouldnt be surprised if the reason why viera has not received the new hair is due to the hrothgars... They simply dont want hrothgars to feel BAD because they would be the only race that have not received anything...

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This is probably the reason and it's a stupid one. Having one race that doesn't get new hairs would be better than having two races without new hairs. Vieras being restricted doesn't prevent jealousy towards the rest of the races. It just causes more of it because Vieras can be jealous as well.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

Hrothgar is a mistake that should have be deleted from the game, nobody asked for them.

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Gross.

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Originally Posted by HeyMcFly

Allow Hrothgar to switch between Hairs & faces- instead of locking their hairs to specific faces.

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Follow up, so I stumbled across this picture again.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D38gfVHU...pg&name=medium

As you can see, the left image has the face clipping horrendously with the face. The right image has the same hair with very minor edits, with a heavily edited face specifically catered to fit the hair. My speculation was that they originally had hairs interchangeable with each face, probably completed work on hairs before at least this particular face. Perhaps, two seperate teams/devs working on each. It's obvious in the left image the hair most definitely was not designed with that face's dimensions in mind. Who knows what actually happened, but this image is doing SE no favors here. Not to mention that if I remember correctly these images were posted very close to the release of Shadowbringers, and there were supposedly other images of Hrothgar in an early state leading to Shadowbringers. I think they ran out of time.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Well, to SE this is a finished product. That's why "finishing" them is low priority.. They are already finished! If and when they add extra hairs that is just a bonus.

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Pretty much what I've been saying.

They made a design choice to focus on making these heads this way, the only "undone" element planned for them was gonna be the head gear (which they were gonna work on post release before the team pulled a slick one on Yoshi).
The Hrothgar manes are a CC feature. The Viera are given ears that suck up like at least 50% of the area on the top of their heads that other races could use freely so they get unique hair.

But given the nature of things they know there's less choice here so they're making more stuff at some point for em. I don't really expect them to release just 1 or 2 styles when they add more but ehh, people gonna do what they do until then and Imma eat popped corn.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Follow up, so I stumbled across this picture again.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D38gfVHU...pg&name=medium
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I thought that at first to, but it could easily just be a case of someone making a mistake and going back to fix it.

The first one was head 3 with head 1's mane. IF it actually fit right I'd think sure, they played with the idea. But it doesn't, the clipping is stupid bad.
So I think it was simply a mistake they went back and fixed.

I mean, in the recent LL where they talk about Job changes when they got to Sam they used a Female Highlander in Sam gear with a Sam Sword standing in the GNB pose for some reason ... prob cause who ever made that title card flipped through some poses and thought that one looked nice. These mix ups happen, not much reason to pick them apart.

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Originally Posted by HeyMcFly

I got it from my FC discord- also using mods like this doesnt get you banned-> http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1408111

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Looking at the OP of the thread you linked, that seems to be a program that doesn't actually edit the game files, and is something more akin to Reshade.
Mods, on the other hand, do edit the game files. So yes, you could potentially get banned for using mods like that. However, SE doesn't really go out of their way to ban people using those mods, unless the person makes a huge fuss about it, and ends up getting reported for using them.

The picture that HeyMcFly posted doesn't get out of my mind. It's so beautiful, I just wanna have that :D

I can't say much to the rest of the conversation here is going on. I don't really care about clipping or if the hair my Viera uses is much of the race fantasy of the Viera people. I just wanna look good without all those fluffypuffy thick hair on my back. I want more short hairstyles. I want to use the lightning hair, I would buy Y'shtola's and I want to use my earend and bought hair from gold saucer and so on. I knew there would be restrictions, but that few styles they added to Viera for the start is not what I expected. BUT I don't wanna change. I went back to Miqo once but regretted it. Viera is what I wanna be. They are tall and female and elegant.

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Originally Posted by LyraMaru

The picture that HeyMcFly posted doesn't get out of my mind. It's so beautiful, I just wanna have that :D.

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I would like to see picture like that with Minfilia hair...
Otherwise, I agree with you. I missed my unlocked (and purchased for real money) hairstyles, but i don't want to change my race. I like viera more than any other.

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Originally Posted by Aelissa

I would like to see picture like that with Minfilia hair...
Otherwise, I agree with you. I missed my unlocked (and purchased for real money) hairstyles, but i don't want to change my race. I like viera more than any other.

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Add another +1 to that. Viera finally feels like the "right" race for me: they're tall, elegant, and aloof. Yet from someone who changed between male and female every few months, and changes their hairstyle every few days/weeks... they also feel limited...

Plus, is there a REASON over half the hairstyles have those little flowers?!

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Originally Posted by WhiteArchmage

Add another +1 to that. Viera finally feels like the "right" race for me: they're tall, elegant, and aloof. Yet from someone who changed between male and female every few months, and changes their hairstyle every few days/weeks... they also feel limited...

Plus, is there a REASON over half the hairstyles have those little flowers?!

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I think the little flowers are cute, but yeah... Wouldn't mind having the option to just. Not have them.

I'm in the same boat. This is my favorite race by far, hands down, but I also used to change my hair every few weeks. Now I've got like... four that I like to choose from, not all of which even work with a lot of my glamours. Feels bad. :/

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Originally Posted by Avidria

I think the little flowers are cute, but yeah... Wouldn't mind having the option to just. Not have them.

I'm in the same boat. This is my favorite race by far, hands down, but I also used to change my hair every few weeks. Now I've got like... four that I like to choose from, not all of which even work with a lot of my glamours. Feels bad. :/

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Pretty much me. I change races a lot of the time because I have an outfit idea in mind. Sometimes one race simply looks better in it than another, or the hairstyles combined with said race, etc. make a better look. With viera it is so limited you really just don't have much room for creativity, plus you cannot even wear headgear if you want to implement some of that into the glam.

Then I end up wearing the glam for a grand total of like two days, and put back on my summer gear or something. :)

Also, with viera, even a lot of the shorter styles clip extensively in the front, and or back. An example would be the side bangs or the big pony tail. You then have very limited options of hairs that look good, go with your outfit, and don't clip in a bad way. Another problem with a lot of the viera styles is the hairs end up looking extremely stiff.

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Originally Posted by HeyMcFly

I got it from my FC discord- also using mods like this doesnt get you banned-> http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1408111

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For understanding though: ENB is technically not modding. It's ReShade analogue, that mostly affect only the way how you see some colors and such, and in most of cases used for making screenshots with avoiding using tools like PhotoShop (in short: make things easier) at least in our community. Some can use some presets for game just in general. It doesn't parse your dps and doesn't change how character or clothes look, so basically you can't do any harm or harassment for other players with that, that's probably why it's not bannable. X)
Modding is prohibited, and for this you can be banned. Though, to be fair, unless you do something... really nasty, you probably will be pretty much ignored.

Please, Enix- give Viera the Y'sthola Moddish hair--The mogstation hairs should be top priority to adding new hairstyles

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Originally Posted by Halivel

For understanding though: ENB is technically not modding. It's ReShade analogue, that mostly affect only the way how you see some colors and such, and in most of cases used for making screenshots with avoiding using tools like PhotoShop (in short: make things easier) at least in our community. Some can use some presets for game just in general. It doesn't parse your dps and doesn't change how character or clothes look, so basically you can't do any harm or harassment for other players with that, that's probably why it's not bannable. X)
Modding is prohibited, and for this you can be banned. Though, to be fair, unless you do something... really nasty, you probably will be pretty much ignored.

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That is true- I don't know what mods would be really offensive or as you said 'really nasty' - although, some of my FC members have posted some really... really.. odd screens of actual mods

Personally I gave up and went back to Lalaland
(Come on, it's a funny one !)

I worked my *** up to get some customization options, spent endless nights in PoD and Pillars ti get those hairstyles and am finallyt tired of seeing clones of me everywhere.

Good bye cute bunny, it was fun but not as intense as I would have wanted it to be :/

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Originally Posted by Celef

Personally I gave up and went back to Lalaland
(Come on, it's a funny one !)

I worked my *** up to get some customization options, spent endless nights in PoD and Pillars ti get those hairstyles and am finallyt tired of seeing clones of me everywhere.

Good bye cute bunny, it was fun but not as intense as I would have wanted it to be :/

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I'm actually switching back to Au Ra in a few days myself. The limitations have just been wearing me down over time. I can't use the hairstyles I have bought in-game, no garentee that we can use any of the new ones ever, some of my favourite hats I can't use, and what I CAN use on the head have placement issues, clipping issues, floating issues... I was excited to make a wolpertinger glamour on Viera, but... The antler placements /puke

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Originally Posted by Celef

Personally I gave up and went back to Lalaland
(Come on, it's a funny one !)

I worked my *** up to get some customization options, spent endless nights in PoD and Pillars ti get those hairstyles and am finallyt tired of seeing clones of me everywhere.

Good bye cute bunny, it was fun but not as intense as I would have wanted it to be :/

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Funny, I have most hairs in the game unlocked (wish I had that summer style rainmaker I think).. It really does suck not being able to use them and combine them with an outfit.

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Originally Posted by NessaWyvern

I'm actually switching back to Au Ra in a few days myself. The limitations have just been wearing me down over time. I can't use the hairstyles I have bought in-game, no garentee that we can use any of the new ones ever, some of my favourite hats I can't use, and what I CAN use on the head have placement issues, clipping issues, floating issues... I was excited to make a wolpertinger glamour on Viera, but... The antler placements /puke

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That's sad to read, I think you were one of the last like true holdouts. I've switched back and forth to viera 3 times. Viera - Miqo'te - Viera - Au Ra - Viera - Miqo'te (current)! :p I used to make excuses that it was because of SE that I was switching, nah I just like to fantasia simple as that, I have found.

Gotta say though being miqo'te has really opened up a ton of glamour options, even versus au ra. I use the small horned au ra and she has a really skinny face, rather very odd looking with a lot of hairs, miqo'te doesn't have that issue and looks better in more hairs. I'd assume you are going with fish fin au ra.

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Originally Posted by Kiba_Whitewolf

The first new hairstyle seemingly developed after the launch of the expansion and the new races can't use it. If any of you had hope these races would slowly be built up this should be a sign that you should abandon any hope of that happening.

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They did 2 unfinished half races. If only they had done 1 none of this problems would be here. We were just simply lied to. They told us we would onyl get 1 gender of each and more customization. What we got was 1 gender with way less customization

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Originally Posted by zeylos

They did 2 unfinished half races. If only they had done 1 none of this problems would be here. We were just simply lied to. They told us we would only get 1 gender of each and more customization. What we got was 1 gender with way less customization

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Male-and-female Hrothgar would still have design restrictions regarding visible hats. They said from the start that this is a design choice. The only difference would be that if-and-when we got any Viera at all, they might not have restrictions as a side effect (on the assumption that it's the reason they're restricted now).

As I've said before, I don't think the restriction for Hrothgar is about time limits but that hats wouldn't work in conjunction with how their hair is implemented - and I don't think their hair works that way due to time limits but customisation-template limits.

Also, they never promised "more customisation". They said "unique customisation", which is true, and people heard what they wanted to hear and never stopped to fact-check it.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Male-and-female Hrothgar would still have design restrictions regarding visible hats. They said from the start that this is a design choice. The only difference would be that if-and-when we got any Viera at all, they might not have restrictions as a side effect (on the assumption that it's the reason they're restricted now).

As I've said before, I don't think the restriction for Hrothgar is about time limits but that hats wouldn't work in conjunction with how their hair is implemented - and I don't think their hair works that way due to time limits but customisation-template limits.

Also, they never promised "more customisation". They said "unique customisation", which is true, and people heard what they wanted to hear and never stopped to fact-check it.

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It's a good thing that we don't have unique customization either! No new "unique" styles, limited hairstyles to begin with for viera, faces locked to hairs on hrothgar, customizable fur patterns that nobody sees, etc. 5 months after release. Both races are a joke to SE.

You'd think, okay well no headgear, then their faces, hairs, etc. must be really cool and expansive to make up for it? NOPE. Buy a fantasia hrothgar if you want to change it, and viera I hope everyone likes having the exact same style and face, 15 times in town.

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Originally Posted by NessaWyvern

I'm actually switching back to Au Ra in a few days myself. The limitations have just been wearing me down over time. I can't use the hairstyles I have bought in-game, no garentee that we can use any of the new ones ever, some of my favourite hats I can't use, and what I CAN use on the head have placement issues, clipping issues, floating issues... I was excited to make a wolpertinger glamour on Viera, but... The antler placements /puke

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Are there any other horns you could use? Or do other ones not display? The antlers didn't look *that* terrible to me either, even if it's not very good.

Worst case, if you're switching to Au Ra you could put the bunny crown on and approach your wolpertinger costume from the other side...

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Originally Posted by NessaWyvern

I'm actually switching back to Au Ra in a few days myself.

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I can't take au ra animation any more. I don't want to see my character as a cute doll. Even if I use a fantasia, it's only for minor changes in my appearance.

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Originally Posted by Aelissa

I can't take au ra animation any more. I don't want to see my character as a cute doll. Even if I use a fantasia, it's only for minor changes in my appearance.

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It's especially bad for Xaela. I kind of wish they'd had the resources to do a mid/highlander split with the au ra, with more civilized raen and more savage xaela.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

It's a good thing that we don't have unique customization either!

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I didn't say it was a good thing. But there's a difference between complaining about what has been done and complaining about them not doing things that they never said they were going to do.

Viera do suffer greatly from overly-similar faces. They're not similar enough (probably) that they didn't actually put the work into four separate face models, but they're puzzlingly "samey".

I'd be very interested to see an actual poll on how many players change their hairstyle frequently (and also one for the dev team). Personally I feel like my characters' hairstyles are part of the design I've picked for them, and in the ~two years I've been playing with four different characters, I've changed one's hair permanently, and one temporarily. It's what they look like, and they don't look right with other styles, especially as they often change the apparent shape of the face.

I've never seen another player with my face, but I haven't exactly spent a lot of time looking either.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I didn't say it was a good thing. But there's a difference between complaining about what has been done and complaining about them not doing things that they never said they were going to do.

Viera do suffer greatly from overly-similar faces. They're not similar enough (probably) that they didn't actually put the work into four separate face models, but they're puzzlingly "samey".

I'd be very interested to see an actual poll on how many players change their hairstyle frequently (and also one for the dev team). Personally I feel like my characters' hairstyles are part of the design I've picked for them, and in the ~two years I've been playing with four different characters, I've changed one's hair permanently, and one temporarily. It's what they look like, and they don't look right with other styles, especially as they often change the apparent shape of the face.

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They did say they would give viera new "unique" hairs, and hrothgar probably new faces. We have yet to see a single new hair, and god forbid a new face for hrothgar in 5 months, and to this threads intent, there was no effort made to even adapt this newly added hair for viera, at least not enough to make it available for viera.

It's probably a combination of everyone pretty much using the exact same hair styles, and the faces not having huge variations from eachother. Don't get me wrong, I love viera, I really like face 1, but they suffer greatly from the "same face" syndrome. If people want an attractive viera face (and most people do) they look similar. The biggest variations would be from people making their viera purposefully ugly, or having a lesser used skin tone. I made my veena especially pale on purpose for this reason (also for the snow bunny aesthetic).

Funny that you say that, me personally, I change them on the daily. Depending on what outfit I am making or using... unless I am viera (because I HAVE NO OPTIONS). My au ra mostly used the straight asian style, but that's when I wasn't changing or designing outfits, that hair clips horrendously with almost everything. (This game is kind of barbie doll simulator for me)

I have a couple images I put together for fun when I was playing around with outfits on my miqo'te..

https://i.imgur.com/zltt4IG.png
https://i.imgur.com/ZiLxkz2.png

I love my Viera but I'm not gonna keep my subscription active for such limited hairstyles and I'm not gonna reward SE by purchasing a phantaisa. I really don't even want to play any other race anyway.

Whatever, I'm not heart broken. I've played this game since 1.0 launch and have come to realize years ago that they just don't implement features that would keep me subscribed. So free log in campaign and a few months sub for expansions is what I have been doing for the past 3 or 4 years.

Hey SE, wanna get me hooked?

Remove glamour restrictions (FFXI does it right)
Add more character customization, hair styles, face paint, etc. (Give highlander men real eyebrows!)
Let me change eye and skin color through the Aesthetician. (Sometimes I just want a tan and some contact lenses)

Yes, I'm a filthy casual who just wants to collect pretty gear and play dress-up.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Male-and-female Hrothgar would still have design restrictions regarding visible hats. They said from the start that this is a design choice. The only difference would be that if-and-when we got any Viera at all, they might not have restrictions as a side effect (on the assumption that it's the reason they're restricted now).

As I've said before, I don't think the restriction for Hrothgar is about time limits but that hats wouldn't work in conjunction with how their hair is implemented - and I don't think their hair works that way due to time limits but customisation-template limits.

Also, they never promised "more customisation". They said "unique customisation", which is true, and people heard what they wanted to hear and never stopped to fact-check it.

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A design choice. Stick figures are also a design choice.
When you program, you don't program for limitation but for the baseline. If it's true that they designed it as such it sounds terribly lazy. In addition, if it's assumed that they limit viera because of hrothgar, then really stick to one race. This just screams to me messiness that took place in the planning process.
Yes, they did promise more customisation, specifically hrothgar faces, which I honestly have little hope in.

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Originally Posted by VirusOnline

A design choice. Stick figures are also a design choice.
When you program, you don't program for limitation but for the baseline. If it's true that they designed it as such it sounds terribly lazy. In addition, if it's assumed that they limit viera because of hrothgar, then really stick to one race. This just screams to me messiness that took place in the planning process.
Yes, they did promise more customisation, specifically hrothgar faces, which I honestly have little hope in.

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want to make it clear that I feel that theres a strong concensus that that race should not necessarily be both male and female viera. Both male and female hrotgar (or anything else, for whats worth) would have, at least in my opinion, been way better than this

As someone who's been enjoying the hell out of Viera lately who will probably never use the Modern Legend hairstyle (Not a fan of short hairstyles on women in general), this is something that shouldn't have been overlooked and is unacceptable. If you're not going to release hairstyles that all races can use, then at least release hairstyles that are exclusive for the others as well as the planned one so that nobody gets left out. And yes, you should make the unlockable/purchased hairstyles a priority for the new races.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Funny that you say that, me personally, I change them on the daily. Depending on what outfit I am making or using... unless I am viera (because I HAVE NO OPTIONS). My au ra mostly used the straight asian style, but that's when I wasn't changing or designing outfits, that hair clips horrendously with almost everything. (This game is kind of barbie doll simulator for me)

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"Barbie doll simulator" is a pretty good description of it really, and I do lots of playing with glamours across my various characters. Choose which doll to play with, choose their outfit... but hairstyles are still tied pretty tightly to the individual dolls; anything complex at least. My favourite Barbie had a pretty hairstyle with one of those twisted plaits that wasn't ever going to go back in if I took it out (I assume Mum pointed this out to me as it's not really "kid logic"), but it was held together with fluoroescent rubber bands that matched her original costume but looked awful with just about anything else, and I couldn't change it.

I think with hairstyles a lot of it is down to keeping character consistency - if I change it, I want it to still look like the same character wearing their hair differently, and that means picking out something with a similar length, hairline and ideally which side it parts on, and that narrows down to only one or two options. Aurelie could use the simple ponytail (if we could switch alongside glamours I'd use it for crafting) and a fancy bun from one of the Hyur-specific options, but that's about it or it starts not looking like her.

But perhaps this comes back to me seeing it as "creating characters" and not just an avatar I'll alter the appearance of when I feel like it.


Oh man... this inspired me to actually go get my box of Barbies out of the back of the cupboard... all the rubber bands have perished and Miss Favourite has something on her face that I think is the line of glue from under her hairline. I'm a bit worried she'll disintegrate if I get her out of the box. :(

It is kind of a strange precedent to set.
They used time restrictions as their reason for viera and hrothgar not getting all the options but you'd think 6 months later newly released stuff would work on everyone.... or maybe some of the old ones.... or a new batch of headgears... or anything at all

I'm all for races and classes getting their own set of unique looks but the generic stuff and headgear needs to work eventually

It was mostly the new warg set for me that made me switch back to my old character. Even though I don’t wear helms much, previewing a helm on my toon is a basic function of the game that both veria and hothgar get left out on. I shouldn’t have to go to the loadstone or third party to see helms.

It’s like if blizzard made Tauren not have helms displayed or previewed for that exact reason. At least let me preview the damned things like everyone else.

Note: As for the hair, store and newly made should have not been overlooked or an issue. If I continue I’ll just be echoing everyone else.

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It was mostly the new warg set for me that made me switch back to my old character. Even though I don’t wear helms much, previewing a helm on my toon is a basic function of the game that both veria and hothgar get left out on. I shouldn’t have to go to the loadstone or third party to see helms.

It’s like if blizzard made Tauren not have helms displayed or previewed for that exact reason. At least let me preview the damned things like everyone else.

Note: As for the hair, store and newly made should have not been overlooked or an issue. If I continue I’ll just be echoing everyone else.

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I don't even care to use most hats or helmets, like you said, but the fact I can't even try any of them on drives me a bit up the wall.
Someone links me a hat CHECK THIS THING OUT "Nope sorry I can't see it".

Well I could still take or leave hats, it's the hair I'm really losing my patience about.

That one clearly needs a push! New live letter on 14.12.2019. Pls send in questions related to our concern. We need an answer. Pls don't forget Viera!

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Originally Posted by LyraMaru

That one clearly needs a push! New live letter on 14.12.2019. Pls send in questions related to our concern. We need an answer. Pls don't forget Viera!

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First question in thread about viera and hrothgar hairstyles. But i think it should be about unlockable hairstyes, not new.

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Originally Posted by Aelissa

First question in thread about viera and hrothgar hairstyles. But i think it should be about unlockable hairstyes, not new.

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First question in an "ask questions to the sound director" thread. That's going to go well.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

First question in an "ask questions to the sound director" thread. That's going to go well.

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Well, I hope they won't ignore that either.

I'm hoping that 5.2 preview in the live letter doesn't forget Viera and Hrothgar...

Else, I hate to say it, but I'm thinking I might go back to cat. I'd rather not but, y'know. I can see these limitations just getting more frustrating over time, and I'd rather not have to worry about whether or not they'll add something that looks cool that I can never use purely because of my choice in race.