Carbuncle mounts have arrived!

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

The fact that you're comparing the optional items sold in the mogstation, to companies that are using lootboxes, is just hilarious. Do I think the prices could be a little lower? Sure, or perhaps the same price and getting both Emerald and Topaz versions. Is the mogstation anywhere near EA/Activision levels of greed? Not really. At least in the mogstation, you know what you're getting, instead of gambling for it.

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Its the same reason just SE is taking a different path. Tell me why they NEED to have outfits exclusive and mount exclusives in a subgame? At least in Destiny and Battlefront there are not monthly subs.

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Originally Posted by Lathander81

Its the same reason just SE is taking a different path. Tell me why they NEED to have outfits exclusive and mount exclusives in a subgame? At least in Destiny and Battlefront there are not monthly subs.

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Also worth mentioning that just because square enix isn't being the most evil possible, doesn't mean they're doing the right thing.
Yes, it could be worse, no it's still not good.

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Originally Posted by Lathander81

Its the same reason just SE is taking a different path. Tell me why they NEED to have outfits exclusive and mount exclusives in a subgame? At least in Destiny and Battlefront there are not monthly subs.

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Unless you play on console, technically there is a monthly sub for online play.

I prefer buying what I want vs lootboxes anyday, and I will pay a bit more to ensure that continues. It's why I like games like this and Warframe.

They need exclusive outfits to generate a few sales. Yes, you may not buy it, but there is always someone out there that will. and thats OK considering these items are purely optional. I still remember spending back in the day 35 bucks on a WoW mount.... if it makes you happy, do it. If it doesnt, don't.

Dude, XIV would still be printing money for SE even if the mog station didn't exist... They don't "need" all 183 macrotransactions.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

There's no need to be bitter about it. There's no shortage of special mounts and minions to earn in-game that grant a feeling of accomplishment. As for whether or not something is a waste of money that is up to the individual spending it to decide, not anybody else.

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How many items do they have to gate off for people to be concerned? You already paid for the items with your sub. Everyone seems to be so excited to pay again and I dont get why.

I don't mind that they offer things in the cash shop, but they need to be careful about how many thing they do. Even if it's optional, you don't want to have two tiers of players, normal fish and whales, who have a large difference in glamour via real money spending. And the more they rely on the shop, the more the temptation grows be unethical and use lootboxes/gacha. I kind of feel that video games in general are moving to price most of their fans out of being fans with the sheer amount of cost to enjoy content. SE is much better than most when it comes to that, but there are so many $15+ optional things that I worry a bit.

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Originally Posted by silverlunarfox

Unless you play on console, technically there is a monthly sub for online play.

I prefer buying what I want vs lootboxes anyday, and I will pay a bit more to ensure that continues. It's why I like games like this and Warframe.

They need exclusive outfits to generate a few sales. Yes, you may not buy it, but there is always someone out there that will. and thats OK considering these items are purely optional. I still remember spending back in the day 35 bucks on a WoW mount.... if it makes you happy, do it. If it doesnt, don't.

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See thats the point though. People are so brainwash with this "its just optional" or you dont have to buy it. Its not about that its about SE taking my sub fee, taking my money from my retainer and taking the box sales and saying thats not enough let me sale you more stuff that I know you want. Its not right and I have a right to say it isnt.

I must make all the SMNs jealous.
https://i.imgur.com/RfERIan.jpg

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Originally Posted by BluexBird

Then don't bother with the Carbuncle mount.

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I think you missing the point. Its not about how much people use items...im pretty sure that no one uses EVERY mount they get all the time. The point is that SE decided they wanted more money and they are making you pay extra for it. Its not enough to pay your sub, or for the game or for SPACE TO PUT YOUR IN-GAME ITEMS (no one ever address that we pay for space in a sub game) but now they are putting exclusive emotes, outfits, mounts and housing items in the cashshop. Fact is I dont like this mount at all..the point is people shouldn't have to come out of pocket this much for a game that ask for a montly sub from millions of players.

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Originally Posted by Lathander81

How many items do they have to gate off for people to be concerned? You already paid for the items with your sub. Everyone seems to be so excited to pay again and I dont get why.

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They're still making mounts available in-game. I'll start worrying when that is no longer the case. It's a common business tactic in the present day for MMO's to have optional items for sale regardless of the presence of a subscription fee. Is it ideal? Not necessarily - but then many people, if given the opportunity, would rather have everything for free. That Square Enix has multiple ways to acquire more money should not be a surprise to anybody.

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Originally Posted by Lathander81

I think you missing the point. Its not about how much people use items...im pretty sure that no one uses EVERY mount they get all the time. The point is that SE decided they wanted more money and they are making you pay extra for it. Its not enough to pay your sub, or for the game or for SPACE TO PUT YOUR IN-GAME ITEMS (no one ever address that we pay for space in a sub game) but now they are putting exclusive emotes, outfits, mounts and housing items in the cashshop. Fact is I dont like this mount at all..the point is people shouldn't have to come out of pocket this much for a game that ask for a montly sub from millions of players.

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In theory I get what you are saying, however a lot of what is made for the cash shop wouldn't even have been developed. These are extras.

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Originally Posted by Ayer2015

In theory I get what you are saying, however a lot of what is made for the cash shop wouldn't even have been developed. These are extras.

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They are only extra cause they are making you pay for it...when you already paid for it. smh

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Originally Posted by Lathander81

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But.....it IS optional....you DONT have to buy it. It's there for those who WANT too.

This does not affect you in the slightest if you don't buy the optional items. You're still getting what you paid for. Some just get more cuz they want to pay more for it up front.

It's totally right since thats how literally everything is sold in a retail market. Yes you have your entitlement to your own opinion, but look around how things are sold. It's not a shocker the game industry is a copy of every industry out there. Its like when I have to buy glasses. Theres five different lenses and 10 different coatings. do I NEED them all? no. Do I WANT some of them? yes. Do they cost an exuberant amount? absolutely. But I made the choice to pick up those options vs just a basic pair of lenses.

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Originally Posted by Ayer2015

I must make all the SMNs jealous.
https://i.imgur.com/RfERIan.jpg

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OMG you are glorious

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Originally Posted by Lathander81

They are only extra cause they are making you pay for it...when you already paid for it. smh

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If they weren't charging for it, the items would never have been made in the first place.

The real problem would be if the cash shop ever becomes the favored outlet over the base product such that we see less playable game content. I don't think that has been the case to date.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

They're still making mounts available in-game. It's a common business tactic in the present day for MMO's to have optional items for sale regardless of the presence of a subscription fee. Is it ideal? Not necessarily - but then many people, if given the opportunity, would rather have everything for free.

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Im not surprise..I am surprised that so many people are ok with paying more for things they should get for their sub. Nothing in the game is free..we all pay for it and most people pay over the $15 sub fee just have space in the game to hold items. Just because this is a common tactic doesnt mean we should except it. Lastly, it really doesn't make sense to say "they still make mounts available in-game" of course they do, they want to give people a reason to not fight against them when they charge you another sub fee for amount that could have been in the game along with the other items you paid for.

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Originally Posted by silverlunarfox

But.....it IS optional....you DONT have to buy it. It's there for those who WANT too.
This does not affect you in the slightest if you don't buy the optional items. You're still getting what you paid for. Some just get more cuz they want to pay more for it up front.
It's totally right since thats how literally everything is sold in a retail market.

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First of all games are not like other industries. We pay service fee on top of the purchase of the game. The exclusive cashshop items that have become increasingly more abundant should be apart of what you pay for period. It affects everyone my friend because believe it or not your characters aesthetics are apart of the game and SE knows it.

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Originally Posted by Lathander81

How many items do they have to gate off for people to be concerned?

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I wouldn't even mind the amount of items if I could pick which are made available for me ingame and which go to the mog station. There's a slew of items I dislike in the game that my sub automatically buys me access to, but several items I do like are behind an extra paywall, which not only puts a damper on the mood, it also puts a damper on the motivation to play the content and get the rewards, as several of these rewards are just plain "meh" to me. Cue me spending more time on the forums over it.

I'd be fine just being able to trade really, even at a 3:1 conversion rate I'd still get value out of that. But I guess there's a reason the pig suit is an ingame item and not on the mog station - it wouldn't reap as much profit.

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Originally Posted by Ayer2015

If they weren't charging for it, the items would never have been made in the first place.

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But what would the guy they're paying to make it be working on if cash shop items weren't occupying his time? Guess we'll never know.

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Originally Posted by Claviusnex

The real problem would be if the cash shop ever becomes the favored outlet over the base product such that we see less playable game content. I don't think that has been the case to date.

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The amount of playable content being added per patch has shrunk over time.

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Originally Posted by Ayer2015

If they weren't charging for it, the items would never have been made in the first place.

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I agree with you. So now what you are saying is that you are ok with SE making items to sell to you when you already pay a sub? Why am I paying a sub when they could just live off the money in the cashshop then? If thats how they want to monetize it. When I started playing this game there were no emotes or mounts in the cashshop...there were outfit but only event ones. Not this is slowing looking like a ftp cashshop.

This game is going crazy with the cash shop for a game that is not a F2P.
I have been playing the game since patch 2.0 and I can't understand why we should pay this amount of money for exclusive mounts and emotes.
I mean we are playing a based paid game with a monthly fee so I was OK for SE to put old event items in the cash shop but this is going insane now with all these exclusive items in the MogStation.
So what can we expect as next step SE ? A new Job to buy exclusively on MogStation for the next expansion ?

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Originally Posted by Sakuraluna

The amount of playable content being added per patch has shrunk over time.

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I don't think that is related to the cash shop though.

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Originally Posted by Lathander81

I agree with you. So now what you are saying is that you are ok with SE making items to sell to you when you already pay a sub? Why am I paying a sub when they could just live off the money in the cashshop then? If thats how they want to monetize it. When I started playing this game there were no emotes or mounts in the cashshop...there were outfit but only event ones. Not this is slowing looking like a ftp cashshop.

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Slepnir mount would like to have a word with you. This have been a thing since 2014. Yoshi-P has already stated the "Cash Shop" helps pay for things like new server.

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Originally Posted by Claviusnex

I don't think that is related to the cash shop though.

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So you mean to say that there's not a problem until after cash shop content begins to overshadow playable content added to the game.

I mean, it's slow going but it will get a lot worse before we cross that threshold. I'm simply looking at how things have progressed over time so far.

Seen a few of these around now, ridden by various races.
They look good for lalas, but seem a bit squashed for the larger races.
Maybe a bit more scaling up needed?

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Originally Posted by Teraluna

Seen a few of these around now, ridden by various races.
They look good for lalas, but seem a bit squashed for the larger races.
Maybe a bit more scaling up needed?

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You leave my squished children alone they're perfect as they are. The Yokai Watch mounts are also some of my favorite for the precise reason they look so utterly ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Sakuraluna

So you mean to say that there's not a problem until after cash shop content begins to overshadow playable content added to the game.

I mean, it's slow going but it will get a lot worse before we cross that threshold. I'm simply looking at how things have progressed over time so far.

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It's been almost 4 years now and I can count the "must have" mounts on one hand. So when is the sky suppose to fall exactly?

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Originally Posted by Teraluna

Seen a few of these around now, ridden by various races.
They look good for lalas, but seem a bit squashed for the larger races.
Maybe a bit more scaling up needed?

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No kidding, poor carby looks to be in agony.

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

Slepnir mount would like to have a word with you. This have been a thing since 2014. Yoshi-P has already stated the "Cash Shop" helps pay for things like new server.

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Right you are about that mount I almost forgot. Still the point is they have more than enough to pay for the servers with subs and retainers alone. Lets not even talk about the collectors additions, music, statues and all the other out of game purchases people make to the game. Basically you are telling me that SE needs people to pay double subs to run their servers?!

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Originally Posted by Lathander81

Still the point is they have more than enough to pay for the servers with subs and retainers alone.

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For the servers, maybe. Then there's the actual costs of production, design, implementation, MAYBE the occasional increase in manpower, music, copyrights for music, copyrights for characters, PR, actually producing physical copies of the game, sums required for their agreements with steam and the like...
For the servers? Sure, they have enough (probably not but let's roll with it). But the game has a lot of other expanses. Those patches don't make themselves.

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Originally Posted by Lathander81

Right you are about that mount I almost forgot. Still the point is they have more than enough to pay for the servers with subs and retainers alone. Lets not even talk about the collectors additions, music, statues and all the other out of game purchases people make to the game. Basically you are telling me that SE needs people to pay double subs to run their servers?!

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And how much does it cost to operate FFXIV on a daily basis because I don't have a clue. I'm telling you want was told to us 4 years ago when Mog Station first came about. Now the question for everyone is, would you accept a sub price increase to do away with cash shops or leave it as is?

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

For the servers, maybe. Then there's the actual costs of production, design, implementation, MAYBE the occasional increase in manpower, music, copyrights for music, copyrights for characters, PR, actually producing physical copies of the game, sums required for their agreements with steam and the like...
For the servers? Sure, they have enough (probably not but let's roll with it). But the game has a lot of other expanses. Those patches don't make themselves.

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Don't forget having to pay companies to actually produce statues, collector edition items, CD and Bluray music disc, books, etc...

This tread will eventually die off and be forgotten until SE put the next cash shop items that players want but do not want to pay for and another tread will be created to vent on that item...

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

It's been almost 4 years now and I can count the "must have" mounts on one hand. So when is the sky suppose to fall exactly?

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The fact that you have a "must have" mount locked behind an additional paywall is already an issue. Why do people have to get crushed before they realized the sky fell?

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

And how much does it cost to operate FFXIV on a daily basis because I don't have a clue. I'm telling you want was told to us 4 years ago when Mog Station first came about. Now the question for everyone is, would you accept a sub price increase to do away with cash shops or leave it as is?

Don't forget having to pay companies to actually produce statues, collector edition items, CD and Bluray music disc, books, etc...

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So you think that SE is hurting so bad they need to pay someone to make exclusive items that cost over a normal sub? Are you serious? There are F2p games that are more reasonable than that.

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

Don't forget having to pay companies to actually produce statues, collector edition items, CD and Bluray music disc, books, etc...

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I intentionally left out most things that were not directly contributing to the creation and constant maintenance of the game. But if I already brought that up, working with experts to help fend off the DDoS attacks we suffered from recently. That also costs money (an unplanned expense to boot, mind) and is required for the game to actually function. It's not hard to come up with things these carbies are helping to pay off.

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Originally Posted by Lathander81

There are F2p games that are more reasonable than that.

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Do these F2P games need to deal with the same amount of active players/characters? Do they offer the same amount of immediately available storage? Armory chest space? Mount/minion/orchestrion logs storage? Because if they operate on a lower scale, of course they'll be able to charge less.
I am not even being hyperbolic here. If you want to win people over with this, you need to start offering numbers.

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Originally Posted by Lathander81

The fact that you have a "must have" mount locked behind an additional paywall is already an issue. Why do people have to get crushed before they realized the sky fell?

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Please note I used quotation marks because it's subjective from person to person. I'm sure a lot of people didn't buy Slepnir or Fat Moogle Bungle mount nor did they purchase emotes or gear from the shop.

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

Don't forget having to pay companies to actually produce statues, collector edition items, CD and Bluray music disc, books, etc...

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lol

The cost per item vs the cost they charge the end customer is vastly different.

Has anyone got a video of the emote? Preferably on a FemRoe?

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Originally Posted by Roda

Yep putting my hands over my eyes and going "lalalalala" whenever I hear a mount whistle totally makes it so that the mog station isn't being rubbed in my face! 100% completely ignored! It's like there isn't over $1000 worth of content gated away from me!
I can also just color my chocobo blue and name it "carbuncle" for my carbuncle themed character and FC and House and... Wait... no... that's not how that works at all...

And yes "this boils down" to me being angry that once again my gameplay experience is valued less than someone who could play this game on a spreadsheet and have fun. I'd like to see you restrict yourself to "base game" level 50 content and try to have fun while everyone else has fun with the full game around you. 'Cause no amount of fussing over my opinion is going to stop me from, sometime in the future, determining that this game costs more than its worth.

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You sound so ridiculously entitled

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Originally Posted by Roda

Dude, XIV would still be printing money for SE even if the mog station didn't exist... They don't "need" all 183 macrotransactions.

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You do realize that the vast majority of items in the Cash shop were at one point available in-game, right? Insinuating that all 183 items are all content designed exclusively for the cash shop is incorrect.

As for your signature, you're way too upset about this. Maybe you should take a few steps back to simmer down. Don't like the cash shop? Then don't buy from it. It's that simple. It isn't going away, and it's not some doom-and-gloom premonition about the game becoming P2W or whatever. It's vanity. Yes, even the outfits with the "stats" on them. Because unless those carby outfits are going to get people Savage or Ultimate clears, they can hardly be called "paying to win" anything.


Reading the post above me: good lord. Just take several steps back from the PC now, please. You are way too upset over this.

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Originally Posted by Grey-Satyr

You sound so ridiculously entitled

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Explain how her comment was entitled?