[DEV Question] Why is this allowed?

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

And I still think that your potential with an i110 head, hands, waist and feet and other gear i270 including the weapon should not be miles above having an i110 weapon and all other gear i270.

Yet, I'm still convinced that, if you join a party with someone having a really low body piece, you wouldn't even notice, since the DPS would be fairly acceptable for the fight. Especially on A9 which is pretty low on party-wide damage.

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You would notice when the DPS use Blood for Blood and get one shot since body gear also dictates how much HP you have as well as your defensive stats. Maybe not on A9, unless Faust cleaved them, which would probably be more on the OT facing it the wrong way. Probably. However, 10, 11 and 12 get target specific mechanics that would kill them off, especially if it's more than one piece of gear. The harder pieces to notice would be accessories; they don't provide HP nor any real amount of defense.

The weapon will always be miles ahead of the others since, as I've said, it's what SE decided to use as a stat capper. Even if it were another piece, say an accessory, if it somehow decided where the stats would start meeting soft and hard caps, that would be the most important thing to upgrade. The weapon is really the only real hard cap I see (though I could debate critical RATE and just RATE being more toward hard capped than soft). Everything else has a lot of soft capping (AKA diminishing returns).

Everyone missing the real important issue...check out those stats lol
http://i.imgur.com/neJW25A.jpg

Anyway for duty finder content LVL 60 content should require LVL 60 gear. If you have LVL 50 gear equipped it should bar you from queue and commence (like if you switch job in queue you have to switch back). If you do full party it wouldn't have that requirement.

I have current i270 bis on my monk right now and figured I could shed some light on how important the weapon is. Through some SSS dummy work using i110 Glanzfaust and i110 Gloam Tabard I found that I did 1600 dps with the weapon and 2400 dps with the chest piece. You can see how big a difference the weapon makes.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

Mmh... not sure if I like that tbh - while I do see the problem here with questlines like the relic and weapons being the ultimate reward from raids I can understand that they're giving the most boost when it comes to damage - just like armor gives you more HP/protection for incoming damage. The weapon is what deals damage, the rest of the gear is what protects you - seems pretty intutive to me...

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Weapons could give something else that pure damage. That's pretty much what people requested for the Relics since 2.0. And it would introduce an interesting customization as you wouldn't automatically chose the highest ilvl weapon.
And, frankly, no one really cares about "protection". BiS is determined by what gives you the most DPS.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

And its also a bit more "interesting" - we dont have that many choices in the game after all, but if every piece of gear basically does the same those options get even lowered when it doesnt matter if you get a new weapon or a new bodypiece.

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That's still not a choice. Like I said above, in 7 weeks, you can earn 3150 capped tomestones. However you spend them, if you want to increase your DPS the most, you buy the weapon.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

Had a tank in DV recently, best accessory was a level 39 earring, everything else was way below.

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lvl 39 as best accessories is really pushing the undergear to the limit.

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Originally Posted by enthauptet

Through some SSS dummy work using i110 Glanzfaust and i110 Gloam Tabard I found that I did 1600 dps with the weapon and 2400 dps with the chest piece.

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That's my point, the gap is too much considering the cost of both those items.

It's still a better idea to just make it so that weapons meet the minimal ilvl of the Duty :T
Or at least be level 60 so we don't get people with Level 50 or less weapons in the Duty.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

[Dev Answer] Because that's how average numbers work.

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That is how an average of a metric of varying real value works. They easily could, however, base the metric on consistent real value, which would weigh a weapon differently from, say, a ring.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

That's my point, the gap is too much considering the cost of both those items.

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Agreed. Or, alternatively, we should either be paying a bit more for weapons or a bit less for gear. In either case, we should be paying a roughly equal per-stat cost, just as ilvl should be stat-based. The only determiner after that should be how we weigh Defense.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Maybe you should have read the next sentence...

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Maybe you should have read the sentence you wrote which I quoted....

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

If the game decided that this BLM was able to enter, then it's not a problem that he's here in that state.

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^You, in plain readable English, said that if the game let the BLM enter then "it's not a problem".

Which was the reason for my last response to you.

Yes you said this after....

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Building on that, the discussion is how the system could be tweaked to ensure that "Required ilvl" is a proper measurement.

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But how does this^ sentence somehow remove or backtrack the opinion you clearly wrote in your first paragraph that "it's not a problem"? Your second paragraph doesn't somehow invalidate the first paragraph you wrote....like you are really confusing me.

Building on that? No...that isn't what the thread is about. No matter if he queued using it or changed it inside it is still a problem because no matter how he did it level 50 i110 weapon in level 60 content is massively inappropriate and the game shouldn't have let him queue with it or change to it. It's fine about your idea to make the weapon less significant, while I might not agree with that approach I have no issue with your ideas/opinions on that.

My issue was you claiming "if the game lets you enter it's not a problem". Which is why I posted that example in my last post, which you didn't comment on for some reason, about Queueing as a tank for level 60 dungeons with full crafting gear and healing accessories on.

http://i.imgur.com/6GJ85IT.png

This is a tank queueing for a dungeon wearing all crafting gear and healing accessories and level 50 weapon going into level 60 content. The game let me do it. So I guess it isn't a problem?

Again, as soon as you say that it isn't a problem because the game let them queue then what I just did in that screenshot is 100% no problem at all. That's why you just cannot support that kind of reasoning because in the end you just turn into a hypocrite. Anyone who plays this game knows that screenshot is a serious problem. (btw I have less VIT than a level 40 something tank)

Now my example doesn't have much to do with the topic because honestly I've never seen someone do what I just tried to do (I really hope no one would be dense enough to do it either; the potential is there it is just unlikely), but using "the game let them enter" as a reason why it is no problem that the BLM was there in that state... that's where it becomes ridiculous. You just can't accept that and that is what my example is showing.

Yes the game let him queue, or the game let him change to that weapon in the instance, but weapon by itself is too important which is why I advocate a simple change to the DF system where it checks your weapon when you try to queue and inside the instance will bar you from changing to a massively inappropriate weapon also.

Just because the game lets you queue doesn't mean there are no flaws with the DF system. It obviously isn't perfect looking at the screenshot I just took. If it was perfect it wouldn't let someone queue in a state where they cannot do their job for the content and extremely hard (if not completely impossible) for you to clear the content.

Note: I hit withdraw, not going into a dungeon like that :/

You believe if the game let him enter then there is no problem and that there is only a problem if he changes gear inside the instance, but in the end you are just ignoring the fact that the reason for this thread is the fact that he could actually queue with that weapon (I checked on my BLM and equipping an i110 weapon only brought me down to i240), or he could switch to it inside the duty, and BOTH scenarios are a problem.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

And this right here is the reason this behavior isn't discouraged enough. "Its ok because we cleared it"

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Perhaps going afk shouldn't be punished too if people can still kill the boss.

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Originally Posted by Miste

Which is why I posted that example in my last post, which you didn't comment on for some reason, about Queueing as a tank for level 60 dungeons with full crafting gear and healing accessories on.

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I didn't comment on that because I said, pages ago, that gear should be more rescrited towards job that can wear it.

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Originally Posted by Miste

but in the end you are just ignoring the fact that the reason for this thread is the fact that he could actually queue with that weapon (I checked on my BLM and equipping an i110 weapon only brought me down to i240), or he could switch to it inside the duty, and BOTH scenarios are a problem.

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I wouldn't suggest changes if there wasn't a problem.

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Originally Posted by Miste

[B]Just because the game lets you queue doesn't mean there are no flaws with the DF system.

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That's your opinion, mine is that there is a flaw in gear weighting.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

I didn't comment on that because I said, pages ago, that gear should be more rescrited towards job that can wear it.

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Restricting gear has a negative aspect with it since it removes certain glamour options for people; while simply fixing the DF so that it cannot be misused doesn't remove glamour options. So, sorry this isn't the better option over just fixing the DF instead.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

That's your opinion, mine is that there is a flaw in gear weighting.

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It's not really just an opinion after showing factual evidence that it is flawed. Are you really still denying it?

I can't believe you can look at that screenshot and not see it as a flaw. If someone did queue like that they would be unable to even complete the instance no matter what group they got. Yes it is unlikely that anyone would seriously do that, but the potential is still there, which makes the system definitely not perfect. Not perfect = it has flaws; which means there is room for improvement.

The example I put forth with the tank screenshot has nothing to do with gear weighting. Even if they altered the weight of the gear the DF system would still let me queue with that i150 gear. I was queuing for an i145 dungeon while almost all my gear slots were between i140-i150 (in case you don't understand what I mean it means ALL my gear was actually within acceptable proper item level for the content...it was just the wrong gear that had no tank stats on any of it).

So even if the ilevel weights changed I would still be able to queue like that due to the flaws in the DF system right now that it does not check that your main stat/weapon is proper. This is a flaw since people cannot do their job in the content and the game lets them queue and doesn't tell them it is improper when they do things like this BLM did or what my tank in the screenshot did. I just hopefully doubt someone would equip all that improper gear while weapon is just one piece so way more often I have seen people knowingly or unknowingly abuse the system using very improper ones.

While I agree with you that gear weighting can be seen as flawed as well (since the item level system weighs all pieces equally when they actually aren't), you cannot say the gear weighting is flawed without acknowledging the DF system is flawed as well in this particular case.

The flaw in the ilevel weights OR the DF system makes it so people can use very improper weapons and still queue but they cannot do their job in the content. While the DF alone also lets people queue with absolutely no gear on that increases their main job's stats which also makes it so people cannot do their job in the content.

Both are the same nature of flaw. So you supporting one while denying the other makes zero sense. Fixing the DF would fix both these issues listed while fixing the weights only fixes one of them. While the weapon issue is the main one because the other I have never seen someone do yet it still would be beneficial for SE to fix both.

I choose to fix the DF flaw over the weight flaw and I understand you choose to fix the weight flaw...but you deny the DF flaw even exists which really makes no sense at this point and is the main reason for my recent responses to you. You really need to look closely at what I have been saying to you.

Basically if we fix the weighting we can possibly fix the weapon issue this is true (I feel this method will cause more problems than it helps since it is directly connected to too many aspects of the game, so I still don't agree), but if we fix the DF, just adding a few more checks, not only do we fix the weapon problem but maybe SE will fix the other issue of the tank example I gave to end this improper gear problem altogether and we also won't lose any glamour over it since the game won't let people queue with crafting gear and improper accessories anymore even if they can wear it.

Your opinion to fix the weighting is fine, but if you don't understand by now what I mean about denying the DF system problems then I am done bothering. Sorry, but I am just going to end up repeating myself.

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

like it says in game but this is not a true average on how the different slots are weighted differently in stat giving and improvements. Now if we take my suggested weights earlier we get:

weapon 255 x10 = 2550
head 260 x3 = 780
body 260 x5 = 1300
hands 260 x 3 = 780
belt 270 x 1 = 270
legs 270 x 5 = 1350
feet 260 x 3 = 780
earring 270 x 1 = 270
neck 260 x 1 = 260
brace 270 x 1 = 270
ring 260 x 1 = 260
ring 270 x 1 = 270

9140 / 35 = 261

because of my weapon it pulled my average down then what the game says, and with good reason to do so. This will prevent all the complaints presented in this thread, like padding the right to pass an ilevel check with wrong stats.

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You are not asking for a true ilevel average, but for a main stat average

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Originally Posted by Miste

It's not really just an opinion after showing factual evidence that it is flawed. Are you really still denying it?

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No, I'm not denying. There is a flaw between ilvl requirement and the impact of the weapon.
To remove that flaw, you thing ilvl requirement should be changed to match the current impact of weapon, I think the impact of weapon should be changed to match the current calculation of ilvl requirement.

Its funny to watch your pain in ass, i tested how lower dps will be if i change my 275 weapon to 115 and i lost about 30% my dps and still can beat A12S so like Yoshida says, Casual players can have 270 ilvl and do less dps than hardcore players in 110 ilvl. To confirm this, few days ago i make a new character and beat A11S as "New Adventurer" with crap gear (250 ilvl crafted) when on twitch i can see "statics" who can't beat A9S with full 270 ilvl.

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Originally Posted by Kondor

Its funny to watch your pain in ass, i tested how lower dps will be if i change my 275 weapon to 115 and i lost about 30% my dps and still can beat A12S so like Yoshida says, Casual players can have 270 ilvl and do less dps than hardcore players in 110 ilvl. To confirm this, few days ago i make a new character and beat A11S as "New Adventurer" with crap gear (250 ilvl crafted) when on twitch i can see "statics" who can't beat A9S with full 270 ilvl.

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Has zero relevance.

You are still doing less damage than you should be doing, doesn't matter the individual skill level. If you wanna show how little it matters then it should be your entire group using them. Something I doubt was done and the rest of your group had their gear making up for your shortfall.

Yes this system is bad, I left a dungeon because a dragon wanted to wear vit gear. I refuse to be carrying people that are lazy because the system lets them pass. Also I should not have to take a 30 minute cooldown because of issues like this and allow DPS to be out damaged by a healer.

The current system would be fine if people had self worth and some self respect for themselves and others, but that is clearly not the case, people need to be hand held with stricter and more specific requirements for entry.

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Originally Posted by Kondor

Its funny to watch your pain in ass, i tested how lower dps will be if i change my 275 weapon to 115 and i lost about 30% my dps and still can beat A12S so like Yoshida says, Casual players can have 270 ilvl and do less dps than hardcore players in 110 ilvl. To confirm this, few days ago i make a new character and beat A11S as "New Adventurer" with crap gear (250 ilvl crafted) when on twitch i can see "statics" who can't beat A9S with full 270 ilvl.

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As what job? and 250 is hardly "crap gear"

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

Yes this system is bad, I left a dungeon because a dragon wanted to wear vit gear. I refuse to be carrying people that are lazy because the system lets them pass. Also I should not have to take a 30 minute cooldown because of issues like this.

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You got pouty because you didn't get the perfect party you wanted, and could have had if you got friends to run content with or even used PF, and ragequit. Yes, you do deserve the penalty.

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Originally Posted by Clethoria

You got pouty because you didn't get the perfect party you wanted, and could have had if you got friends to run content with or even used PF, and ragequit. Yes, you do deserve the penalty.

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A perfect party would be everyone in full 270 gear, melded and all knowing their job.

Asking a DRG to wear their accessories is hardly asking for the world... I personally wouldn't have taken a penalty and kicked them but whatever xD

I would say getting "pouty" about being expected to wear appropriate gear (not even BiS) is more indicative of an entitlement complex.

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Originally Posted by Underdog2204

A perfect party would be everyone in full 270 gear, melded and all knowing their job.

Asking a DRG to wear their accessories is hardly asking for the world... I personally wouldn't have taken a penalty and kicked them but whatever xD

I would say getting "pouty" about being expected to wear appropriate gear (not even BiS) is more indicative of an entitlement complex.

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And my point is that it's entirely possible to have this instead of rage quitting a Duty Finder.

Party Finder>Please do the thing>set ilevel requirement Wow, that was easy.

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Originally Posted by Clethoria

And my point is that it's entirely possible to have this instead of rage quitting a Duty Finder.

Party Finder>Please do the thing>set ilevel requirement Wow, that was easy.

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Keep your passive agressiveness to yourself, you are making yourself look foolish as the entire point has gone over your head.

A DRG can wear ilvl 260 tank accessories and still get in that PF group. So yeah "wow that was easy" to bypass >.>

Show me where the person you responded to said they wanted a group in full ilvl 270 gear and it wasn't something you just made up with your kneejerk white knighting. I'll be waiting.

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Originally Posted by Clethoria

And my point is that it's entirely possible to have this instead of rage quitting a Duty Finder.

Party Finder>Please do the thing>set ilevel requirement Wow, that was easy.

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Ilvl doesnt matter in this case, thwy wete wearimg fending accessories. they probably still met the ilvl req.

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Originally Posted by Clethoria

You got pouty because you didn't get the perfect party you wanted, and could have had if you got friends to run content with or even used PF, and ragequit. Yes, you do deserve the penalty.

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Do not pull that with me. I hardly require a perfect party. You do not know me and I find your tone very offensive.

People are sick of bypassing the system. Trying to bypass the system like that is toxic. I do not have to accept it and be forced to carry someone like that.

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Originally Posted by Underdog2204

A perfect party would be everyone in full 270 gear, melded and all knowing their job.

Asking a DRG to wear their accessories is hardly asking for the world... I personally wouldn't have taken a penalty and kicked them but whatever xD

I would say getting "pouty" about being expected to wear appropriate gear (not even BiS) is more indicative of an entitlement complex.

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I did try the kick motion, it failed, so I left, I will not be carrying people like that, I do not have to, and expecting me too is offensive. I called a GM on the bypassing matter and they said they will look into it, so it is enough for them to do an investigation at least and that is enough for me to show I do not have to deal with it.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

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No, I'm not denying. There is a flaw between ilvl requirement and the impact of the weapon.

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I never said you were denying the flaw in the ilevel requirement and impact of the weapon....you are reading before responding right?

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Originally Posted by Miste

flaws in the DF system

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Originally Posted by Miste

acknowledging the DF system is flawed

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Originally Posted by Miste

you deny the DF flaw even exists which really makes no sense at this point and is the main reason for my recent responses to you.

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^I said you were denying the flaws in the DF system. All my recent responses have been about THAT; nothing about the weighting idea of yours

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

If the game decided that this BLM was able to enter, then it's not a problem that he's here in that state.

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^Initial statement you made denying the problems with the DF system. All my recent responses to you goes back to this quote from you. You still haven't responded about why you think that is an okay mentality to have even with all the evidence I've given you on why it isn't okay.

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Originally Posted by Miste

My issue was you claiming "if the game lets you enter it's not a problem"

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^Me telling you this is the issue I have with your post, not your weighting idea or anything to do with the ilevel weights at all actually.

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Originally Posted by Miste

Just because the game lets you queue doesn't mean there are no flaws with the DF system.

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^Showed you, with a screenshot, the scenario I described proving the flaw in the DF system that would let a tank queue while in a state that is completely unable to tank the content at all.

So yeah please point out where I said you denied the ilevel and weapon impact because that isn't what I've been talking about this whole time <.<
I've been talking about you saying that special statement you made "if the game decided you can enter, then it's not a problem"

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Originally Posted by Clethoria

You got pouty because you didn't get the perfect party you wanted, Yes, you do deserve the penalty.

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http://i.imgur.com/6GJ85IT.png?1

So....if you got a tank like this ^ in your DF party when you loaded into a dungeon.

Would you be upset?
Would you leave?
Would you vote kick?
Would you be mad they wasted your time?

Seriously curious. If you say Yes to ANY of those, you are a hypocrite.

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Originally Posted by Underdog2204

Keep your passive agressiveness to yourself, you are making yourself look foolish as the entire point has gone over your head.

A DRG and wear ilvl 260 tank accessories and still get in that PF group. So yeah "wow that was easy" to bypass >.>

Show me where the person you responded to said they wanted a group in full ilvl 270 gear and it wasn't something you just made up with your kneejerk white knighting. I'll be waiting.

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That's what counts as passive aggressive these days? If anything you've got the tone of someone doing it.

Anyway, they didn't. You're the one who brought up the definitive "perfect." And so what if I do white knight? I'll gladly defend players who just want to get by and enjoy the game they paid for. "But it wastes other people's time" some will argue. Simple solution, make friends and stop dealing with people you dont like.

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Originally Posted by Miste

So....if you got a tank like this ^ in your DF party when you loaded into a dungeon.

Would you be upset?
Would you leave?
Would you vote kick?
Would you be mad they wasted your time?

Seriously curious. If you say Yes to ANY of those, you are a hypocrite.

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I dont look at other people's gear like that so I wouldn't know. In fact, the only time I ever use DF is if I can't get a full party with friends or I'm running PotD/PVP. I practice what I preach and will almost always have a personal, full augmented tank and or healer at my side.

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Originally Posted by Miste

Would you be upset?
Would you leave?
Would you vote kick?
Would you be mad they wasted your time?

Seriously curious. If you say Yes to ANY of those, you are a hypocrite.

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There is no way I be healing that, vote kick would take place right at the 5 min mark or id end up leaving. Also I believe I shouldn't HAVE TO WAIT 5 mins to kick something like that, maybe just make a better system for gear checking? Also I assume you rejected the queue or fixed gear on entry? lamo

Also Clethoria yes you are being passive-aggressive and being offensive to people (so far)

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Originally Posted by Clethoria

I dont look at other people's gear like that so I wouldn't know. In fact, the only time I ever use DF is if I can't get a full party with friends or I'm running PotD/PVP. I practice what I preach and will almost always have a personal, full augmented tank and or healer at my side.

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You should notice that on the first pull without checking gear. Then again I am an aware person as a healer. Then again I guess it takes wiping a few times for you to.

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Originally Posted by Clethoria

I dont look at other people's gear like that so I wouldn't know.

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So...you wouldn't notice if a tank had less than a third of their usual HP and was dying in like 3 hits due to low armor?

That's "a tad" oblivious.

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Originally Posted by Clethoria

That's what counts as passive aggressive these days? If anything you've got the tone of someone doing it.

Anyway, they didn't. You're the one who brought up the definitive "perfect." And so what if I do white knight? I'll gladly defend players who just want to get by and enjoy the game they paid for. "But it wastes other people's time" some will argue. Simple solution, make friends and stop dealing with people you dont like.

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I don't deny I do, difference between me and you is I know what I'm talking about you clearly do not.

Oh so we don't just wanna get by and play the game? Only people who wanna cheese a system do that... Ofc that makes perfect sense... I do wonder though do you offer this advice to the players who do cheese the system or do you just blame the rest of us for being meanies? I'm guessing the latter. One rule for them another for us eh?

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Originally Posted by Clethoria

You got pouty because you didn't get the perfect party you wanted.

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Mhmm sure I'm the one who brought it up :P

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Originally Posted by Clethoria

I dont look at other people's gear like that so I wouldn't know. In fact, the only time I ever use DF is if I can't get a full party with friends or I'm running PotD/PVP. I practice what I preach and will almost always have a personal, full augmented tank and or healer at my side.

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So... you're basically just closing your eyes and look the other way when it comes to problems like this? And when someone encounters such a tank/healer/dps its their fault for not having their pocket tank/healer/dps and just wanting to play and enjoy the game?
This is a great attitude, really...

I always like to ask myself the question: Would a person with gear/skill like that get past this dungeon/boss in a single-player game? If not, what would they do? Get better gear? Get better at the game? Quit the game? Ask a friend to do it for them? If anything, they would HAVE to do something because they couldnt progress and the game is telling them that - here, you've got up to 23 other people carrying your ass, why is that okay?
We NEED the game telling people that its not - even a fluffy little themepark needs some rules.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

So...you wouldn't notice if a tank had less than a third of their usual HP and was dying in like 3 hits due to low armor?

That's "a tad" oblivious.

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No, I dont have this problem at all. I ask to be catered to, and I receive because, as I've said, I almost always have a personal tank and or healer at hand. If I can get neither, Party Finder. Why should I have to deal with problems that can easily be avoided? Because I really don't think I should.

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Originally Posted by Underdog2204

I don't deny I do, difference between me and you is I know what I'm talking about you clearly do not.
Oh so we don't just wanna get by and play the game? Only people who wanna cheese a system do that... Ofc that makes perfect sense... I do wonder though do you offer this advice to the players who do cheese the system or do you just blame th rest of us for being meanies? I'm guessing the latter.



Mhmm sure I'm the one who brought it up :P

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Sure, call me passive aggressive and retaliate with full snark. I speak on experience and I've experienced enough to know that ragequitting doesn't have to be a thing if you take the strides to avoid it.

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Originally Posted by Clethoria

Sure, call me passive aggressive and retaliate with full snark. I speak on experience and I've experienced enough to know that ragequitting doesn't have to be a thing if you take the strides to avoid it.

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No you go a step further and say bad behaviour and disregard for others you may come across is ok coz it's their own fault for daring to do a roulette/trial/raid without a full group >.>

Sure call me pointing exactly what you said you didn't do as "snark" xD

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Originally Posted by Clethoria

And so what if I do white knight? I'll gladly defend players who just want to get by and enjoy the game they paid for. "But it wastes other people's time" some will argue. Simple solution, make friends and stop dealing with people you dont like.

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I rest my case.

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Originally Posted by Underdog2204

No you go a step further and say bad behaviour and disregard for others you may come across is ok coz it's their own fault for daring to do a roulette/trial/raid without a full group >.>

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You gonna continue that? (oh apparently you did) Cross Party Finder makes it easier than ever to get what you want. So the first run didn't work out, ok. But I know the 2nd will if it gets some use and you, the player, makes an effort to say "Ok I want this and that to do a thing."

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Originally Posted by Clethoria

You gonna continue that? Cross Party Finder makes it easier than ever to get what you want. So the first run didn't work out, ok. But I know the 2nd will if it gets some use and you, the player, makes an effort to say "Ok I want this and that to do a thing."

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"Lf group for Roulette, want DRG wearing strength acessories, Healer wearing MND acessories, Tank wearing Fending acessories". None of these things need to be said... It's basic practice and logic. Can still get a DRG wearing Fending accessories a healer wearing INT ones in this group, it's cool though coz the game lets them and they pay for their game... Something the rest of us don't do....

Am not continuing anything that is your stance on this from your own posts. Don't like it then that's not my problem, it's yours.

Gonna be honest here. This is a total non-issue. There are enough ways to avoid this that the devs shouldn't have to play mommy and daddy. I had this happen to me once during an A10 run and it wasn't a big deal. We got through it with no issues and went on with our lives afterwards.

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Gonna be honest here. This is a total non-issue. There are enough ways to avoid this that the devs shouldn't have to play mommy and daddy. I had this happen to me once during an A10 run and it wasn't a big deal. We got through it with no issues and went on with our lives afterwards.

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Thank you for summarizing how I feel, though not intentionally.

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Originally Posted by Clethoria

Thank you for summarizing how I feel, though not intentionally.

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then lets get rid of min gear level requirements completely.

They are there and it is an issue.

Just because you are a DPS and not healing it does not mean it is not one

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

then lets get rid of min gear level requirements completely.

They are there and it is an issue

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Will raise you one further, unlock all the job gears and make them wearable by everyone.

Apart from my goggles... You can't have them! >.>

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Will raise you one further, unlock all the job gears and make them wearable by everyone.

Apart from my goggles... You can't have them! >.>

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LOL! was like that for 1.0, why not?

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LOL! was like that for 1.0, why not?

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I will say I'd love to see the "Why you should use Ninja gear on PLD" topics xD

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Gonna be honest here. This is a total non-issue. There are enough ways to avoid this that the devs shouldn't have to play mommy and daddy. I had this happen to me once during an A10 run and it wasn't a big deal. We got through it with no issues and went on with our lives afterwards.

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So...the party you had happen to be able to carry the person who had the improper weapon then...but what if this happened and you didn't get through it with no issues? What if you wiped multiple times or are unable to clear due to the DF not properly screening gear... is it still a non-issue then too?

What would you do then?

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So...the party you had happen to be able to carry the person who had the improper weapon then...but what if this happened and you didn't get through it with no issues? What if you wiped or are unable to clear due to the DF not properly screening gear... is it still a non-issue then too?

What would you do then?

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They won't accept your point of view until it happens to them.