Naoki Yoshida's Comment in Regard to Jump Potions/Boost Potions

But yeah, do any of you commenting here get how bad it is want to play a game like WoW and have to do every single quest in the Burning Crusade, Cataclysm, Wrath of the Lich King etc, just to hit Legion? That's the equivalent here. That's why it existed in WoW.

A lot of you have these really weird worries that honestly make no sense and quite simply, aren't how the vast majority of people play MMOs. Those who would buy the game then pay to run to 60 to just do end game will be horribly bored, and they'll be wasting their own cash anyway. Nobody will want to play with these people, and they'll be out on their ear $100 out of pocket and miserable.

Sorry, but it's entitlement, through and through. Are y'all the same people who complain when they nerf relics and raid tiers once they're not current content? It's the same method of thinking. Nobody wants to do the tedium of fetch quests, and I don't blame them.

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Originally Posted by Frowny

ARR is still somewhat relevant even now. I really doubt HW content will die as fast as you claim it will. ARR may kick the bucket, but HW will still be around.

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Note I said content of substance, like extreme primals or raids , even dungeons what need if you are level 60 already will you have to go back and do level 59 and below dungeons other than on alt jobs that will be the only thing that saves the dungeons but then if you have the skip mindset then they will prob just level up in potd.

Alexander just like coil is now, will be pointless with a skip potion even fewer people will consider doing it ,new players will have no need to do this are even wana do it if they can just skip right to the most relevant content.

Extreme primals will just be more face roll unsync content, so basically players can skip potion, run potd, and get a head start on their cross class job starting at level 15 along with a leveling bonus, and unsync everything below level 60 yea that sounds like the formula thats gona happen. But in a game where things become instantly dead then I totally get the concept even if Im conflicted on the issue

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Originally Posted by Theodric

...and yet the story is a huge and very important draw for many players - especially the core target audience. Are the developers going to let the quality of the story suffer moving forward if and when the 'norm' becomes people demanding a focus on the fabled 'end game' and new content has to be pumped out at a quicker, more lacklustre rate?

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The quality of the story hasn't suffered, in spite of the fact that many players skip all of the cutscenes. Hell, the majority of the playerbase effectively skipped the 1.0 storyline and they're still dropping references, developing old characters, and tying up loose plot threads. Why would the ability to skip cutscenes en masse suddenly spur the developers to abandon that commitment? It's not like every new player's going to skip the story, just the ones who would have skipped it anyway.

The WoWfugess finally won, they did it. They couldn't just go back to WoW.

2.0 to 2.1's garbage and they should have condensed those quests, no FF game should have this much pointless filler

I don't have any problems with them implementing the potions. If people are in a hurry to run roulettes with their friends then let them.

if they have to jump, make it to level 30 so they can't just pay their way to content people took hours upon hours to reach, otherwise this game will become fairly worse for it due to the amount of people who would just skip the story the team worked so hard to make, you wouldn't go to a restaurant and skip everything to dessert, people who would skip everything to the end should just stick to games that don't have a story/have no real progression

I never really cared for the story, I would of bought this if it was offered when I started.
Whenever I duty finder something it's pretty hit or miss on people who do their job well anyways.

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Originally Posted by Jennika

I don't have any problems with them implementing the potions. If people are in a hurry to run roulettes with their friends then let them.

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What kind of "friend" tries to pressure someone to buy several 20$ potions?

Doesn't sound like much of a friend to me.

I'm not thrilled they went this route. I would've preferred they had adjusted content first. Now they have no incentive to adjust anything, they can just point at the cash shop. In WoW they usually reduced the exp curve for lower levels when they added a new expansion and raised the level cap. It's a shame SE skipped that step.

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Originally Posted by Yasuhiro

The WoWfugess finally won, they did it. They couldn't just go back to WoW.

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So how does this affect you? Use of hyperbole is forbidden.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

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All I saw was "people won't want to run stuff the way it was meant to".

People already level with PoTD but dungeons still do fine. I see pony farms now and then. If YOU want to do them synced (and I recognize you) then do as someone said in another thread: make a PF to run it synced.

It is a simple matter of, pot or not, content is superseded. Coils never interested me but for a while I saw PF up for it all the time. Content dies, just like in any game.

Edit: I'll sometimes see a PF for older Alex floors and it fills somewhat fast, same with other random things. Cross-server PF will help this too.

I love watching things burn, maybe if the story was actually interesting and not a giant wall of text, people would want to play from start to finish. I'm against this, but it doesn't matter this game has been going south and after the free trial I don't think I want to grind the same thing again in 4.0.

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Originally Posted by FinalWolf

What kind of "friend" tries to pressure someone to buy several 20$ potions?

Doesn't sound like much of a friend to me.

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Nowhere in my post did I mention or imply pressuring anybody.

Why not an over haul of the current completely bloated MSQ? An abridged version, an immediate chocobo, no need to level 3 classes for job cross class skills would get new players to 50 WITH the integrity of the story intact and a little bit of experience before hitting the end game.

If they're set on doing this cash grab I hope they flesh out the Novice Hall a bit more and make it compulsory.

I am honestly cringing at the thought of a brand new tank or healer hitting 50s dungeons with ZERO idea how to play their class.

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Originally Posted by Clawbriar

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Forgetting about story-skip potions, which I still don't like, and don't agree with, but I disagree even more with the job potions...I don't see why being against job potions would make me "entitled."


Like I mentioned before, we already have players that get to 60, and have no idea how to play the job, nor do they care. We have players unlocking the 3.0 jobs, not bothering to read tooltips, not bothering to learn their skills, heck, some don't even bother to do their very first job quest. While they aren't the majority, I just question how letting players buy leveling potions, and handing them all of their skills, will improve the quality of the player base. I know that bad and lazy players will continue to be bad and lazy, potion or no potion, but I feel like the job jump potions will encourage more of that. Especially since it seems like there's no Hall of Novice equivalent for those that use them in the Korean version.

Different regions have different player bases. So most of the Korean ones seem to be for alts. Who knows if that will be the case here, what with so many newer players complaining about how they want to be level 60 already so they can raid or do EX primals or whatever. It may be the same for the NA/EU/JP player base, or it may go entirely in the other direction. What with how so many people in the West basically want everything for free or for minimal work/effort, I just have the nagging feeling it's going to teeter in the opposite direction. I hope I am wrong.

Not to mention it seems like you get weapons and gear with it...and not just any gear. With the level 50 ones, sounds like they just hand you i120 poetics stuff (or items to exchange for it). What will they do with the 60 ones? Hand out i260 gear?

Maybe things will get worse. Maybe they won't. But that still doesn't change that adding those potions to the cash shop teeters on P2W, and I don't understand how just asking for this game to NOT go in that direction is being "entitled." First job jump potions, but where does it stop? Does it stop there? Or does it go further, by adding more jump/buff items? Purchasable relics? Gear? It's a slippery slope.

Again, I really hope that my fears and concerns are misplaced, and that I am wrong in worrying that this player base will go the complete opposite direction of the Korean player base.

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Originally Posted by Frowny

All I saw was "people won't want to run stuff the way it was meant to".
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I know it dies thats why I said what I said it will die even more now so is what I was saying. But I think this is an idea to play both routes , sub payments and expanding the cash shop this want be the end to things you can buy. And I dont have an issue with that other players will tho from the feedback Ive been seeing on the forums. But it will def make some content more dead than ever pf or no party finder.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

I'm against these potions. I could understand if we were preparing for the fourth or fifth expansion, but this is only the second one. And already there are story skip potions?

And job jump potions? Story ones I can unwillingly accept, but these? No! I can't!

We already have people unlocking the 3.0 jobs, not bothering to read the tooltips, and then entering DF without the foggiest idea how to play the jobs (don't get me started on the amount of DRKs that don't even know what Darkside is, or even want to use it because "MP management is too hard", or ASTs that don't know what their cards do because they can't be bothered to read the effects)...how are these potions going to make that any better? I understand that bad players will continue to be bad, with or without these potions, but...

The NA/EU player base is vastly different from the JP/CH/KR player base; that much is clear just based on how each player base handles different situation in duties. I just have a very uneasy feeling that a lot of people will purchase these out of laziness, and that they won't be used for alt characters or alt jobs. And I feel like the job ones do teeter on the edge of P2W. It gives you auto-level 60 (going off of what Yoshi-P said for the ones they would implement for post-Heavensward), with appropriate weapon and gear it seems, all of your skills, all quests marked as clear. How is that not P2W?

I don't know...just don't have a good feeling about this. That's my 2 gil.

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Would it be better to wait for the inevitable decline? WoW had such a luxury due to the lack of competition. Nowadays, the MMO genre, and gaming in general, is a heavily saturated market. The vast majority of game sales happen within the first few weeks. New players will be turned away when they discover having to slog through upwards of a 1,000 quests.

And how does that differ from people grinding fates or PotD? I had Dark Knight leveled to 60 before completing any of its quests post 50 or even unlocking Provoke. I just leveled through the aforementioned and Beast Tribe dailies. I took the time to learn the job myself, but could easily have just winged it. A jump potion isn't going to change that. Someone who wants to learn, will do the same thing I did: read their tooltip and research. Those who don't care, are never going to care. They'll live up the job and start doing content because "I pay for my sub. You can't tell me what to do." This isn't about laziness, but a preference towards gameplay. People don't want to be gated behind several hundred quests when they aren't interested in the story restricting them. How many brand new players are really going to spend $140 on a game they may not even like? People were up in arms over $50 season passes EA likes to throw around. This mostly appeals to raiders, experienced MMO players or people returning.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

I'm not thrilled they went this route. I would've preferred they had adjusted content first. Now they have no incentive to adjust anything, they can just point at the cash shop. In WoW they usually reduced the exp curve for lower levels when they added a new expansion and raised the level cap. It's a shame SE skipped that step.

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Would you have been okay with less new content for Stormblood? They have a budget of approximately $36 million. Any adjustments to ARR and HW will be taken out of that number. Thus, we'll be left with less in exchange for content we will never even seen.

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Originally Posted by Tigerlilley

Why not an over haul of the current completely bloated MSQ? An abridged version, an immediate chocobo, no need to level 3 classes for job cross class skills would get new players to 50 WITH the integrity of the story intact and a little bit of experience before hitting the end game.

If they're set on doing this cash grab I hope they flesh out the Novice Hall a bit more and make it compulsory.

I am honestly cringing at the thought of a brand new tank or healer hitting 50s dungeons with ZERO idea how to play their class.

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Just think about someone entering HW for the first time and then unlocked DRK... but not having every touched GLA and MRD. Level 30 DRK with NO cross class skills, yay!

Anyway, for SE to redo the entire 2.0 story (A Realm Re-Reborn), they would most likely have to delay content for veteran/up to date players.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

I know it dies thats why I said what I said it will die even more now so is what I was saying. But I think this is an idea to play both routes , sub payments and expanding the cash shop this want be the end to things you can buy. And I dont have an issue with that other players will tho from the feedback Ive been seeing on the forums. But it will def make some content more dead than ever pf or no party finder.

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That's the sad reality, potion or not. At least for me, sometimes it is best to move on from the content you loved and look ahead to the new stuff. And said "feedback", at THIS CURRENT TIME, is baseless paranoia. We can get worked up over hypotheticals all day, but we will get nowhere.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Like I mentioned before, we already have players that get to 60, and have no idea how to play the job, nor do they care. We have players unlocking the 3.0 jobs, not bothering to read tooltips, not bothering to learn their skills, heck, some don't even bother to do their very first job quest. While they aren't the majority, I just question how letting players buy leveling potions, and handing them all of their skills, will improve the quality of the player base.

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This is why its entitlement LOL, you're assuming everyone who's going to buy these are actually stupid, and not, idk, maybe buying them to raid on alts, or for RP purposes, or because, hell, they may actually look up how to play their class effectively and show a willingness to learn.

It's entitlement because "well, if they didn't learn/play like I had to, the hard way, then they shouldn't be playing at all!"

How great! When can we expect the free gear potion too? You know, just to catch up to our friends and everything. /s

I'm against any jump potion 100%. I understand this game has an issue keeping new players interested, but there are better ways to solve that problem than giving people a max level job they have no idea how to play inside a world they know nothing about. Sadly, this smells like an easy cash grab so chances are its going to happen no matter what.

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Originally Posted by SNights

I understand this game has an issue keeping new players interested, but there are better ways to solve that problem

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I've seen this mentioned a few times, but never with said solution. Can someone elaborate (beyond condensing the story, it'd require re-doing 2.0).

Good luck getting all the aether flow points for flying on mounts! Oh wait, Heavenward potion...Pay to win! Maybe not..

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Originally Posted by Nestama

So how does this affect you? Use of hyperbole is forbidden.

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Whatever answer I give you'll just brush over, so why do you care?
P2W was and always will be cancer. I'm waiting for the "So you don't have any reason" comments I simply don't care to say much more I'm mentally preparing myself for Stormblood.

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Originally Posted by Jennika

So what harm could a jump potion do?

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It can drop difficulty level even more to accommodate people who see their job for the first time... not that we alredy don't have that.

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Originally Posted by pinder2009

That is funny. There are many players who already don't perform to the "top of the role standards". Do you initiate vote kicks in every DF group you join already? Someone like you probably doesn't meet those standards either.

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Don't you worry, I know what is reqired of a healer quite well. By job standards I mean basic knowledge of what is required of your role and knowledge of all of your skills. I do not kick people who are willing to listen and learn. I would help people learn gladly unless we are in the endgame content which is not the place to start to read your skills. But I would not have patince for a cheater who was to lazy to play a game and now waisting my time. Do you really wish to get into a some high level duty with a tank who has no idea what tank is supposed to do?

Aye, I agree that experience in a job is needed before a free 'insta jump' else you end up with the curse of WoW. However, for those that may be like me that roleplay on multiple characters, this would be a blessing. Leveling three separate characters through MSQ can be pretty brutal.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

First job jump potions, but where does it stop? Does it stop there? Or does it go further, by adding more jump/buff items? Purchasable relics? Gear? It's a slippery slope.

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The only slippery slope is this argument, I seen the same things being said time and time again on SWTOR, WOW, ESO and other games forums when they added the shop to those games many years ago.
Well, nothing ever came from it, for any of those games, as it wont here.
If you don't like it, you should just say so for the reasons you believe, and don't try and go down this path of what-ifs to try and strengthen your disagreement with it.

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Originally Posted by Clawbriar

It's entitlement because "well, if they didn't learn/play like I had to, the hard way, then they shouldn't be playing at all!"

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Please point to me where I said that, because as far as I'm aware, I never made any references to the way that I play this game, or how I play should be the way everyone else plays.

I said I question what this will do to the player base, because there is already a bad/lazy pool of players, and I just don't want there to be even more, and I worry that this potion may (keyword here is MAY) encourage that.

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Like I mentioned before, we already have players that get to 60, and have no idea how to play the job, nor do they care. We have players unlocking the 3.0 jobs, not bothering to read tooltips, not bothering to learn their skills, heck, some don't even bother to do their very first job quest. While they aren't the majority, I just question how letting players buy leveling potions, and handing them all of their skills, will improve the quality of the player base. I know that bad and lazy players will continue to be bad and lazy, potion or no potion, but I feel like the job jump potions will encourage more of that. Especially since it seems like there's no Hall of Novice equivalent for those that use them in the Korean version.

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I never said that people should have to level the way I do, or play this game how I do. I don't think they should be able to buy their way to 60, because that makes this game P2W, and I don't agree with that. And because it will allow for more P2W items to be placed in the Cash Shop, which a lot of players already hate, and it's nothing more than over-priced glamour items, old event items, minions, and mounts.

And no where did I say that EVERY PERSON who buys a job potion will be, as you said:

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you're assuming everyone who's going to buy these are actually stupid, and not, idk, maybe buying them to raid on alts, or for RP purposes, or because, hell, they may actually look up how to play their class effectively and show a willingness to learn.

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I even said that I hope that I was wrong and that this didn't increase the pool of bad/lazy players that we already have. But I never said that EVERYONE buying the potions are stupid or bad or lazy.

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Originally Posted by JCharms

The only slippery slope is this argument, I seen the same things being said time and time again on SWTOR, WOW, ESO and other games forums when they added the shop to those games many years ago.
Well, nothing ever came from it, for any of those games, as it wont here.
If you don't like it, you should just say so for the reasons you believe, and don't try and go down this path of what-ifs to try and strengthen your disagreement with it.

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Not really trying to strengthen any of my arguments or disagreements with it. Just saying that those are reasons WHY I dislike it, whether they are founded or unfounded "what-ifs."

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Originally Posted by SakurazukaSeishirou

I would help people learn gladly unless we are in the endgame content which is not the place to start to read your skills.

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It's not endgame content, there will be a whole expansion to learn everything and we'll probably have to learn a lot of things too cause of the revamping on skills

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Originally Posted by Madepossible

Good luck getting all the aether flow points for flying on mounts! Oh wait, Heavenward potion...Pay to win! Maybe not..

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Wait, what? I needed to fly for end game...?

as someone who leveled everything to 60, i can tell you now, there is no reason to have a level jump potion, i know how to play my classes because i leveled them, why take that away from us who level, and grind everything? Whats next? Come out with Final fantasy 16, but you can just opt out of actually playing the challenge, and skip to the end credits and get the certificate of completion? really?

I played WOW, the increase of horrible players was tenfold, children maxing their character to max level and then not knowing how to play it, just spamming buttons and hoping to do a little damage, this is really horrible... You didnt do this in Final Fantasy 11, why do it to 14? WHY?

http://lparchive.org/Final-Fantasy-I...PSOGL2_445.jpg

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Pay to win?

Pay to win what exactly? It's not to 70. It'd be to the ass-end of Heavensward, and the gear they receive is just tome gear anyone can get! You've a really weird definition of winning if you think i260 gear at the start of an expansion -- that'd be outdated by halfway through the expansion -- is winning.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

Absolute nonsense. Several other ways to alleviate these problems could have been implemented, they just weren't as cash grabby.

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Exactly this. There is a great number of ways mentioned by the community and none were cash grabby.

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Originally Posted by Yasuhiro

Whatever answer I give you'll just brush over, so why do you care?

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Because I am genuinely curious how, in any way, it could affect you. We already have Palace of the Dead's 51st floor allowing players with a Level 1 Class (or untouched Level 30 HW Job) to be Level 60 the moment they enter. We already have some pretty terrible players in this game, but we also have some pretty decent, if not, fantastic players (it's just easier to talk about the worst runs we have because psychology). I personally believe nothing will change when it comes to the level boost potion. If someone uses it, then chances are they will either try to learn how to play it, they're on an alt, or they'll be bad (basically, nothing changes). A story skip potion will also change nothing. If you enjoy the story, you have nothing to worry about.

RMT's will never use these as it's a loss for them, not a profit.

Weeping City has not been nerfed.

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Originally Posted by Konata_Izumi

I played WOW, the increase of horrible players was tenfold, children maxing their character to max level and then not knowing how to play it, just spamming buttons and hoping to do a little damage, this is really horrible... You didnt do this in Final Fantasy 11, why do it to 14? WHY?[/IMG]

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I bet you played as a Forsaken Retribution Paladin, didn't you?

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Originally Posted by Imoen

Wait, what? I needed to fly for end game...?

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Granted you win XD

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Originally Posted by Clawbriar

I bet you played as a Forsaken Retribution Paladin, didn't you?

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warlock actually.

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Originally Posted by Imoen

Wait, what? I needed to fly for end game...?

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yes. or you will never reach let's say vanu beast tribe, alexander entrance, dozens of gathering points, some hunt mobs (depends on where they spawn), some treasure maps... GATHERING POINTS...

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Originally Posted by Konata_Izumi

warlock actually.

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Good thing you looked that up, you would've looked really stupid then.

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Originally Posted by Clawbriar

One last point:

Pay to win?

Pay to win what exactly? It's not to 70. It'd be to the ass-end of Heavensward, and the gear they receive is just tome gear anyone can get! You've a really weird definition of winning if you think i260 gear at the start of an expansion -- that'd be outdated by halfway through the expansion -- is winning.

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Even then, win WHAT? This isn't like you're buying something that can beat another player. Bar the possible influx of people learning their class... they're not beating/affecting you in any way.