wow, that's crazy...yeah this is a great step towards more active people owning homes. I have been lucky on my server, happened to check plots at the right time (more than once...) in the last few months, but everyone needs access to housing - so much fun :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tsunenori
Reclamation of Inactive Housing announced
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10-20-2015, 10:48 PMAyerinn
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10-20-2015, 10:52 PMPROBOUND
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10-20-2015, 10:55 PMValoiz
45 days is not enough, should be at least 70-90... ppl cant take vacations-breaks anymore?
SE HQ were relinquish cuz the 3 months of 0 content after HW? ¬¬ -
10-20-2015, 10:56 PMEye_GoreThey hiring where you work? I only get 10 days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valoiz
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10-20-2015, 10:59 PMSinisterJointss45 days is more than enough... this just means people cant unsubscribe for 90 days anymore only coming back for new content.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valoiz
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10-20-2015, 11:02 PMLaylaTsarraThere is tons to do. If you're the type with one role and don't do much of anything else but a combat role I can see where you may have little to do. Perhaps those who say there is nothing to do should try crafting, gathering or leveling another role. Although I think 45 days is a bit short and that perhaps 60 would have been a bit more reasonable, all in all I'm happy they are doing something about the housing situation because way too many homes are NOT being used and should be relinquished for active users to access.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valoiz
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10-20-2015, 11:04 PMSeryl199Players that want to take a break for any reason need to stay subscribed for nearly half of every patch cycle just to keep their house, for that 5 second login just to walk through the front door of their estate. It's entirely unfair to anyone owning a house.Quote:
Originally Posted by Risvertasashi
Now let's step it back, I know the argument. It's unfair to a subscriber to pay and not be able to own a house. I get that, I want everyone to have a house too. However, everyone means the casuals, the hardcores, FC's, bachelors, daily loggers, patch surfers, it means everyone. With this implementation, yes, we need a reclamation effort, because not everyone has access, but giving access to others potentially infringes on the access of a returning player; the result being not everyone has housing.
It's messy, it's imperfect, but the system is what it is for now. It gets currently subscribing players into houses, which is great. I just feel the margin between an unsubscribed player and an inactive player is too narrow, and that the system is implemented to prey on fear of demolition to maintain subscriptions where they might falter for a month or two. -
10-20-2015, 11:06 PMValoizThose are still "active" players who paid for a game/expansion and will pay again to play. The problem is the people who actually LEFT the game and still own houses. Many of my guild mates, for job trips (for example US Army workers) , long vacations (kids-youngers), have stop playing for even 90 days and then come back later- many of they owns really expensive stuff in their houses.Quote:
Originally Posted by SinisterJointss
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10-20-2015, 11:08 PMkarateorangutangNot saying its the best, but at least they would still be able to get those things back within a reasonable period. 3 months is quite a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valoiz
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10-20-2015, 11:09 PMValoizI already lv up and gear enough all the lv 60 jobs i like (even the crafting/gathering roles) - Check before talkQuote:
Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra
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10-20-2015, 11:11 PMSinisterJointssPaying for one month of sub every 90 days is not an "active" player.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valoiz
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10-20-2015, 11:12 PMAyerinn
I am an advocate of a longer grace period than 45 days, but remember if you need to take a break and must keep your housing plot - you only need to subscribe every other month and log in for 30 seconds at the start and end of the subscription.
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10-20-2015, 11:13 PMNeiraNot all items will be returned. In fact, some of the most expensive items will be destroyed. The mail box on my property costs over 15m on my server, and will be destroyed if my house is demolished.Quote:
Originally Posted by karateorangutang
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10-20-2015, 11:14 PMSinisterJointssQuote:
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10-20-2015, 11:15 PMKyonika
I'm assuming this 45 days thing is an ongoing thing and not just a one-shot deal.
Unfortunately, housing is infinitely desirable, but resources are tight to make it happen, and this game has only so much room to accommodate housing as it is. In other words... everyone wants one, but few spots are available, and the prices are set to gate people out until those that can afford them, can purchase them.
But in any case, I think that 45 days is fair.
Two kinds of scenarios here:
1) If it's a FC house, chances are other people are going to be logging in and visiting the house frequently enough to never run out the counter. So there's no problem there.
2) If it's a private estate (aka. a Barbie House), or a private FC-owned house (aka. a solo-player or power-couple stuffing all of her/his/their alts into) ... well, I hate to break it to you, but... if you own one of these, you have a responsibility to the game, since you added something that alters the geometry of the landscape. In other words, housing, in this game, is a privilege; not a right. So, being active is a small price to pay to keep it.
But, let's be honest here shall we? If you personally own one of these, it means that you have been able to acquire a stupid amount of Gil to afford it. That implies that you have to have been pretty active to make that happen, and assumes that you will likely remain active. If you need to take a break, you could always just switch your sub to like 90-days or something, and quickly login once every 40 days or so to keep it. Like, is that really so hard? ... Really?
Please allow me to be blunt. If you can't be arsed to take 5 minutes of your time once every 44 days to login and maintain your house, then you don't deserve it, and other players should have the opportunity to buy your unused space. So, suck it up buttercup. -
10-20-2015, 11:17 PMValoizThats why i type "active" ... but they are still clients... ppl who paid and havent left the game and prolly will after thisQuote:
Originally Posted by SinisterJointss
Worry bout many many friends and myself if.... after 2 years paying i want to stop/take a break for ¿2 months? -
10-20-2015, 11:18 PMkarateorangutangAh is there a list of items that will and will not be returned then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Neira
P.S. I'd like to know as I might consider letting my house go, but I'd rather not lose a large part of the investment. I don't use it that often and would rather someone had it that will. -
10-20-2015, 11:19 PMLaylaTsarraI don't need to check, I'm making a personal statement. If it doesn't apply to you fine. It will apply to others. The fact of the matter is housing is in short supply. Logging in once ever 45 days (although personally I think a longer time - say 60 - is more reasonable), isn't that much to ask. It's about time they did something about housing. It's not going to make everyone happy but it sure will open it up for lots who want one and take it away from those who left the game or who barely spend any time playing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valoiz
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10-20-2015, 11:19 PMSinisterJointssThen you dont need a house. Ifd you are the type that takes 2 month breaks after every content patch, you dont need a house. There are people who play every day who dont have one because of people like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valoiz
the same stuff that gives you the message when you place it. Mostly the primal/ct/raid stuffQuote:
Originally Posted by karateorangutang
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10-20-2015, 11:24 PM_slowpoke_
Great, finally. This'll solve some of the current issues until SE adds more housing.
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10-20-2015, 11:25 PMValoizThe more expensive ones will be lost, like crafting facilities, mailbox, airship, workshop, chandeliersQuote:
Originally Posted by karateorangutang
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10-20-2015, 11:26 PMValoizDude... as i said... i am a 2 year costumer... if i want to take a break i should not be punish to make new players happy.....Quote:
Originally Posted by SinisterJointss
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10-20-2015, 11:28 PMkarateorangutangSo this would mostly affect FC housing then unless someone has alot of gil at their disposal. Just wondering. Would still be nice if there was a published list.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valoiz
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10-20-2015, 11:28 PMSinisterJointssIf you cant be bothered to log in for 2 seconds every 40 days then you dont need a house. 2 year customer or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valoiz
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10-20-2015, 11:30 PMSweetPQuote:
Originally Posted by kamikrazy
CELEBRATION!!!!! -
10-20-2015, 11:31 PMNeiraWhen you look at some furnishings, some of them will say that they can not be removed once placed. Also, anything that actually slots into the home as a "fixture"(I believe is the term used), such as walls and floors. Someone else gave a fairly decent list already in reply to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by karateorangutang
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10-20-2015, 11:32 PMkarateorangutangJust didn't want to wait til I got home to make a mental list is all. /shrugQuote:
Originally Posted by Neira
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10-20-2015, 11:33 PMGeesusAnything that is in your house or yard that is bound to the property. Example. All the fancy garden stuff from primal fights etc such as Savage Arc Of Triumph. Inside. Ceiling lights. Things such as Armoire or Cooking stove, Smithing Bench. They all tell you when you place them that they cannot be retrieved. If you want a list, you will have to do a little work but you can at least FIND what you have and see if it is retrievable but, head here. http://en.ff14housing.com/ Or, just go in your house and try to take something out of it. if it let's you, you will if not, it'll tell you it will be lost AND it will tell you then ask you to confirm.Quote:
Originally Posted by karateorangutang
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10-20-2015, 11:34 PMStrejdaTomNot only new, I have been playing for 2 years, I had enough gil for a house for atleast a year, I have been scouting for a house for atleast a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valoiz
If you will decide to take a break for 2 months, you will unfortunately have to turn subscription off only for 1 and visit your house for a sec. This is not the best solution, it is not even absolute solution as many people will be without houses, but even as a member of FC with a house I am tired of walking Goblet full of abandoned houses.
This idea has been already turned down once because of people who wanted to take break every 2 months, sorry, but I don't see it happening again and this time I support SE. -
10-20-2015, 11:36 PMNeiraI've been debating this for I think literal months at this point, sorry. I'll post when and how I can, and I'm still amazed(not really, to be honest) at how naive some people seem to be in thinking that this will change anything other than SE's income, but don't expect the majority to grasp what you're talking about. My only hope at this point is that is backfires in SE's face, when people who are burned out and tired want to quit playing and paying but feel tied to the game, or in a half a year or so when people are still complaining about not having a house because this didn't add any extra housing.Quote:
Originally Posted by kamikrazy
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10-20-2015, 11:36 PMValoizIf u want a house so bad, and fast, u could move/create ur char in a server who still have free plots, like Goblin for example... but noone can force u to do it cuz u... as client, can decide when and where you want to play.... if i want to take a break for 50 days thats my desition and i should not be punish for that (even more if i am still paying suscription but not logging).Quote:
Originally Posted by SinisterJointss
I am just saying than 45 days off is not, from my experience, a player who actually left the game necesarily, and those are the ones who are provoking the lack of plots on many servers (ppl who havent log/pay suscription for several months)
BTW almost ALL MMO are promoting/offering stuff to players to return, refunding only 80% of the gil and making ppl lose the expensive items is not a good welcome for returning players... just saying
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10-20-2015, 11:39 PMGeesusQuote:
Originally Posted by Valoiz
This ^^^^ SOOO Much this.Quote:
Originally Posted by SinisterJointss
If you're not there, why should someone else who is, not have the property and USE it? And I've been a customer since OB of 1.0, played through ALL the craziness, paid when people lost their minds, flamed SE for paying for a broken game etc. Soooo ... your point is? O.o For right now, this is a temporary but NEEDED solution. As Sinister said, if you can't log in for 2 seconds and bail for the next 30 days or so, then you don't need that house or property. I play and others play daily or close to it. We aren't bandwagon players who roll through new content and then sit on our hands crying on the forums about lack of content and rinse repeat. We pay and we play. -
10-20-2015, 11:40 PMSevenHeavens
im so happy about this
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10-20-2015, 11:41 PMSweetP... . . .... wat?Quote:
Originally Posted by Valoiz
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10-20-2015, 11:43 PMWaryax
So, is it now better to just leave your house be if you want to get rid of it, because you get the gil back? Or are they going to make it so that you get the same amount of gil back if you demolish it anyway?
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10-20-2015, 11:43 PMAphel
The most expensive small plot of land on the most expensive servers cost 5 million before devaluation. You get 4 million back should you leave it to rot, minus all the shiny stuff you placed in there but haven't as much as cast a glance at them for 45 days straight. If you foresee yourself logging on once every 90 days then I suggest you sell that house. Who knows you might even make a profit!
If you bought the most expensive 87.5mil large house on the most expensive plot for personal purposes, then you stand to lose 17.5mil. Dafuq are you doing with a large personal house? Collecting dust bunnies?
There are players (and more importantly, FCs) who have the money and have the passion to start their own homes and maintain it, as well as making full use of the benefits that come with it. And you sit there logging in once a month using the word 'Punish' as an excuse to keep your house which you barely even touch.
There's limited space and housing is a premium. Now it's not a question of who was there first, but rather of who is more active. -
10-20-2015, 11:50 PMOfTheWhitewind
I dunno... I feel like this is pretty fair. Housing is in such high demand that I'm not really surprised they're taking a harsher stand on it and it's not like it'll happen without warning. Plus with the demand so high they have to put prioritization SOMEWHERE and it's unfortunately going to be to the people consistently subscribed, always. That's the way these things work, man.
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10-20-2015, 11:50 PMSeryl199They aren't being naive, they're being receptive of an implementation that directly affects them, good for them. Some of the people that have been clamoring for housing will get their chance at it. They'll be competing against droves of other players to get a house the moment it's demolished, and those who have set their alarm clocks for 45 days after the server reset of 3.1 (I don't doubt this will happen, if you think getting a house after this will be easy, you haven't prepared enough aside from amassing gil) will finally get their house. The housing problem persists, but they've joined the few. It's no more than a step forward, but at the very least, abandoned plots will be refreshed. As long as housing fails to encompass 100% of the player base, it hasn't been properly implemented.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neira
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10-20-2015, 11:50 PMGeesusWhy do other people have to move a server because you and others like you can't be bothered to be in game? Paying or not, and I get and understand your point but, if you pay, you should be playing. AND if you are unable to actually play, it takes 2 mins at most to log in at your house and reset the timer. Is that too much work to do for you? To understand some people who play didn't have the gil to purchase at the ridiculous prices that housing started at? A lot of us. myself included were told personal housing was not going to be anywhere NEAR the cost of FC housing and that was a lie. I could have bought a medium FC plot a few weeks prior to the sale of personal housing for 2 mil. But I didn't because I was in an FC already and I was told not to worry. BAM! Release and that same plot was now 20 mil!Quote:
Originally Posted by Valoiz
And this isn't true. A lot of players have what they have in housing just like the do in gear as a "status" or "Epeen" need. They may have great gear built are carried through the content and suck at their jobs. They have a crap ton of gil for whatever reason, legit or not and they bought a mansion day one and don't use it. it has 3 pieces of furniture that their retainers brought and they can't sell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valoiz
Just quit your complaining and freaking log in. if not, sell your house and move on. Then you don't have to worry about it. FFS. -
10-20-2015, 11:53 PMDyvid
I think SE should add an option to just sell their house for 80% out right for those who just want to get rid of the house without waiting.