So, now Monk/Dragoon have to compete with yet another class?

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Originally Posted by Alexia89

Please, EVERYONE who believes this, do me a favour.
Go in game, open your character sheet and hover over Dexterity.
"Affects physical ranged damage, as well as parry and block rates".

Logic dictates they will use STRENGTH.

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So happy to be able to quote people like this with a huge 'I told you so' now that we have confirmation that NIN uses dex as per the latest live letter.

So many people in this thread look silly now.

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Originally Posted by Exstal

06-16-2014 05:22 PM

Please check dates before you post.

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Never~

Still relevant. Huhu~

Inc the well-deserved "told ya so"'s :3c

It seems to me that since NIN is a DEX based job it is most likely they will share bard or get their own set ... they only share MNK gear up to 2.3 because by damn its cheaper that way.


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Curses! Foiled by the Necro bump once again!!!!

I think SE is going to go back and put dex on all monk gear retro activity then they will share gear with monk going forward.

I think it more likely they share BRD gear up to 2.3 stuff, simply because their main stat is Dexterity.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

I think SE is going to go back and put dex on all monk gear retro activity then they will share gear with monk going forward.

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Most likely. They did that with a lot of pre-50 DoM gear that has both MND and INT on the same piece. It's only post-50 do we really start seeing gear divergence.

Also, I'm glad they are taking the more lore-focused approach I predicted months ago instead of just taking the easy way out that everyone was so sure they would do.

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Originally Posted by Jaykos

For the people that thought a stat which increases ranged attack damage was going to increase damage with a class that uses daggers yes it was.

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Originally Posted by ZReport

Not needed. Also is shows you have general incompetence on how development works. They could simply make Dual Wield damage be based on DEX. Yoshida even claims it to be a special weapon type. If this is not the case, nothing is stopping them from making DEX affect these weapons regardless of the type.

Either way, both STR and DEX exist on much of the DPS gear, so most people who level DRG, BRD and/or MNK and are interested in NIN are pretty much covered.

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Point I'm trying to make is, no one knows what the job will entail as far as abilities, or how stats will affect said abilities. NIN might be STR based, and have abilities primarily affected by DEX. It might have a special weapon type, of which the damage is tied to DEX. It might be STR based as normal. It might not. No one knows.

However, I'll tell you what -- someone on reddit just recently found that there have been Rogue traits added to the game's data files already. And with those traits DEX traits were added as well. Anyone can see it themselves on FFXIVDB under 2.28 Abilities.

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Shoutouts to Jaykos on all of Page 13.

I'm fairly sure a dev or in a live letter long before quoted it was likely going to be DEX based. For anyone to be surprised now, doesn't really pay attention. I long felt it would be DEX based because I felt they had said so already. Of course people were fast to assume, "I hit with weapons, I must be STR based.". They also use something akin to Magic, that makes perfect sense to use on an STR stat for that.

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Originally Posted by Havenchild

I'm fairly sure a dev or in a live letter long before quoted it was likely going to be DEX based. For anyone to be surprised now, doesn't really pay attention. I long felt it would be DEX based because I felt they had said so already. Of course people were fast to assume, "I hit with weapons, I must be STR based.". They also use something akin to Magic, that makes perfect sense to use on an STR stat for that.

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Actually, I'm pretty sure that they first announced that it would be STR based. But it could have been something lost in translation.

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Originally Posted by Sousoulsu

Piercing Talon, Shield Lob, and Tomahawk are not affected by DEX.
They are very clearly "Ranged attacks".
The stat descriptions ingame are absolute nonsense with only the vaguest suggestion for what the stats do.

Rogue and Ninja will use Dexterity.

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Keep making the same argument in every thread you possibly can, it won't change the fact that ninja is going to be a STR melee dps.

Also, nice necrobump.

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Originally Posted by ZReport

Not needed. Also is shows you have general incompetence on how development works. They could simply make Dual Wield damage be based on DEX. Yoshida even claims it to be a special weapon type. If this is not the case, nothing is stopping them from making DEX affect these weapons regardless of the type.

Either way, both STR and DEX exist on much of the DPS gear, so most people who level DRG, BRD and/or MNK and are interested in NIN are pretty much covered.

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Point I'm trying to make is, no one knows what the job will entail as far as abilities, or how stats will affect said abilities. NIN might be STR based, and have abilities primarily affected by DEX. It might have a special weapon type, of which the damage is tied to DEX. It might be STR based as normal. It might not. No one knows.

However, I'll tell you what -- someone on reddit just recently found that there have been Rogue traits added to the game's data files already. And with those traits DEX traits were added as well. Anyone can see it themselves on FFXIVDB under 2.28 Abilities.

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Since I feel like this post here is really nice for what I want to ask, I'm just going to quote it.

Since it's already been mentioned several time now, that the Dual Wield is a special weapon type, I'm just going to ask how this will work?
Will it be the same way the Monk-Weapon works, so you have equipped one weapon but you're basically holding one in each hand, or will it be that you can equip a second dagger to the Shield slot to make it an actual dual wield?
I think that the latter makes more sense in this case, since they've said it's a special weapon type. And I don't really mind it that way :3

If DEX is the main stat, woudlnt Nin just compete against Brds for accessories? O_O

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Originally Posted by Kuraran

Since I feel like this post here is really nice for what I want to ask, I'm just going to quote it.

Since it's already been mentioned several time now, that the Dual Wield is a special weapon type, I'm just going to ask how this will work?
Will it be the same way the Monk-Weapon works, so you have equipped one weapon but you're basically holding one in each hand, or will it be that you can equip a second dagger to the Shield slot to make it an actual dual wield?
I think that the latter makes more sense in this case, since they've said it's a special weapon type. And I don't really mind it that way :3

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It will be liek mnk, and take up a single slot. Was announced a long time ago.

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Originally Posted by RoninDarkchild

If DEX is the main stat, woudlnt Nin just compete against Brds for accessories? O_O

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No more free pass for Bards!

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Originally Posted by Kiroh

Keep making the same argument in every thread you possibly can, it won't change the fact that ninja is going to be a STR melee dps.

Also, nice necrobump.

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Choo-choo - All aboard the Incorrect Express, one-way trip to Wrongville!
:3c

How exactly will MNK/DRG be competing with ninja? If Ninja can roll need on it, then it would be the same if it was just another MNK or DRG.


It's no different.

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Originally Posted by Kerberon

Agility is a synonym for Dexterity. They both mean the same thing. Unless you are meaning something non-standard for AGI it would be kind of repetitive and pointless to add it in.

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They aren't really: Dexterity means how adept someone is with their hands/feet. Agility is more related to litheness of body eg flexibility, reaction speed etc. They are both very related terms, but not exactly the same .

Eg: A billiards player can be dextrous but not agile and a high jumper can be agile without being dextrous.

In XI, agility was the ranged acc stat and also the evasion stat. Dex was the crit and melee accuracy stat.

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Originally Posted by Kiroh

Keep making the same argument in every thread you possibly can, it won't change the fact that ninja is going to be a STR melee dps.

Also, nice necrobump.

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They literally said it was going to be dex based. Don't say "fact" unless you have support claim it as so.

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Originally Posted by Alberel

So happy to be able to quote people like this with a huge 'I told you so' now that we have confirmation that NIN uses dex as per the latest live letter.

So many people in this thread look silly now.

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But still use Monk gear

I have bet that it would be Str+Int, like Monk did during 1.x

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Originally Posted by Alberel

So happy to be able to quote people like this with a huge 'I told you so' now that we have confirmation that NIN uses dex as per the latest live letter.

So many people in this thread look silly now.

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It doesn't make sense to use DEX as a primary stat before, still doesn't now. Alas, my mistake for thinking SE was being nice and clean with their stat system, can count me wrong for that.

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Originally Posted by Velhart

It doesn't make sense to use DEX as a primary stat before, still doesn't now. Alas, my mistake for thinking SE was being nice and clean with their stat system, can count me wrong for that.

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Nearly every game uses dex for thief and ninja classes. Absolutely nothing prevents from modifying the stat description to include damage for those classes. The mistake is thinking an mmo that's going to run for years will never change and will always be rigid despite getting entirely new classes.

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

Nearly every game uses dex for thief and ninja classes. Absolutely nothing prevents from modifying the stat description to include damage for those classes.

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Again and again. This is not other MMO's. The stat systems were established as STR = melee DPS and DEX = ranged DPS. Its simple, and easy for anyone to understand. Now you start mixing it up, now this job needs this stat, and this one procs off this one now. Know what happens afterwards? Dedicated gear sets have to be made for them. Know what happens next? That gear is thrown into Coils and other raids, which means the loot tables get bigger, harder to manage, and less chance of you getting your set pieces. If SE actually stuck to their formula, they could of just thrown NIN into the MNK category for gear (like they are doing for gear from 2.0 to 2.3) and would of been fine. Like if Dark Knight ends up being a DPS, it could be thrown into the Maiming set with DRG. It keeps things clean and the loot tables less hectic than they are now. It only gets worse from here if SE decides that certain jobs need be under certain stats.

Ever heard the story of "If you give a mouse a cookie?"

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Originally Posted by Velhart

Again and again. This is not other MMO's. The stat systems were established as STR = melee DPS and DEX = ranged DPS. Its simple, and easy for anyone to understand. Now you start mixing it up, now this job needs this stat, and this one procs off this one now. Know what happens afterwards? Dedicated gear sets have to be made for them. Know what happens next? That gear is thrown into Coils and other raids, which means the loot tables get bigger, harder to manage, and less chance of you getting your set pieces. If SE actually stuck to their formula, they could of just thrown NIN into the MNK category for gear (like they are doing for gear from 2.0 to 2.3) and would of been fine. Like if Dark Knight ends up being a DPS, it could be thrown into the Maiming set with DRG. It keeps things clean and the loot tables less hectic than they are now. It only gets worse from here if SE decides that certain jobs need be under certain stats.

Ever heard the story of "If you give a mouse a cookie?"

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I facepalm so hard at this post. If they use DEX, then they give them the Aiming gear, it's as simple as that. Which means no increasing Coil stuff, they'll just be using the same stuff as BRD. THINK before you post please.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

I facepalm so hard at this post. If they use DEX, then they give them the Aiming gear, it's as simple as that. Which means no increasing Coil stuff, they'll just be using the same stuff as BRD. THINK before you post please.

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Yet they didn't, they gave them their own set past 2.4 and let them use MNK from 2.0 to 2.3. What makes you think they wouldn't do it for other jobs? Why didn't they let them use the same gear as ARC/BRD? Can you answer that for me? Want to hear a better reason than how BRD gear looks. I have a basis for my argument. If they put NIN's gear on BRD, I wouldn't be complaining here right now. If they do it the first time, they will likely do it again, and the pieces will stack up.

I get the feeling that in 3.0 once the loot tables get big enough we'll see 3 gear drops per raid, as opposed too 2.

This way they can get away with creating unique gears sets for coil as much as possible and still have the same chance of any given gear dropping in a run.