Delay the Rogue/Ninja class till expansion.

I don't get it half the forum topics say are we are bored give us something new! Square gives you guys something new and people respond with it's not good enough or we didn't want more dps!

I'd hate to mention it but look at a game like Maple Story. It's added so many jobs over the past 3 years and it's still managed to valence out between the previous jobs. Just because a new job is added, doesn't mean everyone's going to play it. There are people who do like the current jobs.

I want my rogue now!!... I was waited so long for a DPS class using a dual dagger/sword...

I will curse u , if Rogue/Ninja got delayed because of this .

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Originally Posted by Mariel_Crystallie

I want my rogue now!!... I was waited so long for a DPS class using a dual dagger/sword...

I will curse u , if Rogue/Ninja got delayed because of this .

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The "petition" has 34 likes out of 7060 views and 163 replies. It's not going to be delayed because of this.

My way of dealing with this: Stay as my white mage till the hype has died down in a week or two, keep getting my insta ques. Switch over to play the new class (which i'm very excited about) once balance is restored, and enjoy the fun of not waiting too long once again :)

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Originally Posted by Gerolan

Why are people so quick to say SE is lying, when their is still two live letters to go, the JP one and the final one, who knows they might reveal another secret in each one
Especially since the advert says "new classes" and so far they have only announced once class and one job

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If you want to talk semantics, they lied because they didn't mention new jobs in the ad. Yes, we all know how meticulous SE is when it comes to wording and never making mistakes or leaving anything to the imagination or misinterpreting. Taking every single word as literally as possible, instead of with a grain of salt, is just setting you up for disappointment. Granted, I'm not saying there WON'T be "classes", just to not set your standards so high...

edit: just saw the MSK thing, but still don't know the role. They might pull a Sharla from Xenoblade Chronicles.

srry i will have to say No

For you OP ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qLz1L9YqIs

;P

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Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang

OP

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Well, this sort of demonstrates how hard it is to please everyone, which is impossible. I think they got the majority of the player base excited for Rogue/Ninja so in my opinion, mission accomplished. They also said they would be adding classes in major patches as well as expansions so...wasn't a surprise to me at all. As to your "petition" though, I strongly disagree.

@OP - Is it too oversimplified if I say, you don't have enough information to make a statement as it is factual?

If not, you don't have enough information to base this long statement as truth.

@Dev-Backend, Frontend, QA, entire team, Thank you for listening to the players and also keeping a promise, that was stated a while back, saying a new job will be out before the expansion.

Thank you.

@OP No just no no no.

How about no

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGDIZoXXdg8

Reading over after my own argument with him, I can respect the OPs view on the current situation, and see how it's a valid argument. However, I see it from Yoshi-P's point of view as well, as producer and director. FFXIV: ARR is now one of the top leading MMOs out there, if we are going by subscription numbers. So now, he has to act based on this fact.

The dynamic in a typical MMO has always had a rogue/stealth type class. Even more so, the rogue/stealth class is usually one of the more popular ones alongside ranged dps. It would make more sense for him as director to fill this niche as soon as possible, so that players do have that variety and that choice. It also means he can now plan and balance content that adds this new dynamic into the mix. It's a win-win for everyone involved.

The OP comes from the stance that, it will unbalance the order of things because it is a new class; not only is a DPS class, which is most favorable to players, but it's also quite possibly the only job to be added in the interim between 2.4 and the expansion. Also it's a freaking Ninja job, who doesn't like Ninja? To this end, he fears that tanks and healers will outright abandon their roles to flip out and kill things as Ninja. I do believe at this current time and by 2.4 people won't do this enmasse, but it will just be a time period of Ninja leveling esctasy, which will likely last no more than 2 months, then everything goes to normal and order is restored.

I'm glad I can understand the OPs sentiments, but Yoshi-P's stance overtakes this one.

I was looking for a good reason to use this...seems like it can't get better so here we go:
http://i.imgur.com/wqMWK7z.gif

i think speculation that duty finder wait times will be insane is unfounded. if anything, it might make melee dps wait times longer. it might push melee dps wait times closer to ranged dps wait times. but I seriously doubt that wait times will increase to hours.

Everyone that is saying no here: don't come crying when your queue times are 1 hour or longer lolol.

http://i.imgur.com/Z8Wnl.gif

Lala Ninja says NO.

it doesn't matter if ninja is released with a tank or healer class/job the vast majority of players will play DD's the ques for DD's will still go up. tanking and healing require a bit more of this thing called paying attention, and people wanna watch Netflix while running dungeons or w/e... and People will cry people will whine people will get upset and say forget this then go back to their other classes. things will calm down and stabilize, then People like me will level our ninjas after making a boat load of money off of other peoples impatient need of now now now. Happy leveling :)

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Originally Posted by Mandudez

Everyone that is saying no here: don't come crying when your queue times are 1 hour or longer lolol.

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Sastasha exp party... 'do you need it'?

First room clear and back out, ROG only.

I literally canNOT with these official forums.....


https://31.media.tumblr.com/2b091033...iolxo1_250.gif

i know im in the minority but i think they should wait if they are only adding ninja and no others at the same time. ninja is very cool and welcome addition, but everyone is going to jump on the new class/job (and rightfully so), its going to outnumber all other class/jobs. i say introduce new class/jobs at least two at a time.

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Originally Posted by DragonHunterG

i know im in the minority but i think they should wait if they are only adding ninja and no others at the same time. ninja is very cool and welcome addition, but everyone is going to jump on the new class/job (and rightfully so), its going to outnumber all other class/jobs. i say introduce new class/jobs at least two at a time.

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Initially when people try out the class/job, yes there will be a TON of rogues and ninjas. However! After a few weeks it WILL settle down.

http://www.dreamwidth.org/userpic/2792260/621408

as if 1+ hour queues don't already exist. Let NIN come when they want it. Overall its up to us how queues are.

Well here is the thing that gets me about the whole "Add more tank" thing. People expect OTHERS to play tank which isn't going to help when everyone thinks this way (yes am aware some do like playing tank just not majority). They could add 15 tank classes right now and ninja i would as well as 80%+ of people still start off with playing ninja, so how does that help anything? its just the way it is nothing can ever fix it.

Uh..no. How about YOU just don't play it until the expansion?

I fail to understand how having ROG/NIN pushed back to the expansion will help with queues, UNLESS you're leveling a lowbie or one of said new jobs. It's not like the new tank or healer class is going to be insta-(whatever the max level will be). People that are complaining about "end" game queue times will STILL have super long queue times. There is absolutely ZERO correlation with pushing a new DPS class back to coincide with any other new class that will help alleviate a majority of people's complaints with queue times...none.

People will play what they want to play, period. If people want to tank, they'll level up a tank and queue as a tank. If they don't want to tank then they won't queue as a tank, and guess what? There's a shortage of tanks. I agree with you here, the problem is us, not the classes we have at our disposal.

If people want more tanks then they should consider being less abusive to the current stock.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...h-level-haters.....

As of right now the only thing that adding more tank classes would do is diversify the current stock of tanks, you wouldnt see more tanks, just less pld/war.

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Originally Posted by Moheeheeko

If people want more tanks then they should consider being less abusive to the current stock.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...h-level-haters.....

As of right now the only thing that adding more tank classes would do is diversify the current stock of tanks, you wouldnt see more tanks, just less pld/war.

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To be fair, I see a lot of tanks being the ones instigating a conflict. Even when people offer them advice it's pretty much "my way or the highway" in their minds. Some people take a tank, which is also a sort of leader for the party wayyy too seriously. Now, I'm not saying they are the culprits, but some don't help the situation being the very problem you seem to think they have. Some of it comes down to the community in general, though. People expect perfection so they deride a tank for performing below their expectations, which would probably make them defensive by nature, I get that and I probably couldn't blame them either. That said, it's an issue that spans across all roles/jobs/levels.

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Originally Posted by ZReport

Reading over after my own argument with him, I can respect the OPs view on the current situation, and see how it's a valid argument. However, I see it from Yoshi-P's point of view as well, as producer and director. FFXIV: ARR is now one of the top leading MMOs out there, if we are going by subscription numbers. So now, he has to act based on this fact.

The dynamic in a typical MMO has always had a rogue/stealth type class. Even more so, the rogue/stealth class is usually one of the more popular ones alongside ranged dps. It would make more sense for him as director to fill this niche as soon as possible, so that players do have that variety and that choice. It also means he can now plan and balance content that adds this new dynamic into the mix. It's a win-win for everyone involved.

The OP comes from the stance that, it will unbalance the order of things because it is a new class; not only is a DPS class, which is most favorable to players, but it's also quite possibly the only job to be added in the interim between 2.4 and the expansion. Also it's a freaking Ninja job, who doesn't like Ninja? To this end, he fears that tanks and healers will outright abandon their roles to flip out and kill things as Ninja. I do believe at this current time and by 2.4 people won't do this enmasse, but it will just be a time period of Ninja leveling esctasy, which will likely last no more than 2 months, then everything goes to normal and order is restored.

I'm glad I can understand the OPs sentiments, but Yoshi-P's stance overtakes this one.

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I think 2 months is a bit too much. Sadly it will dissapear soon because the whole experience will be atrocious. Which is as i said before, low standars gamers bring on themselves. Just because instant gratification.

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Originally Posted by AndytheRaven

Well here is the thing that gets me about the whole "Add more tank" thing. People expect OTHERS to play tank which isn't going to help when everyone thinks this way (yes am aware some do like playing tank just not majority). They could add 15 tank classes right now and ninja i would as well as 80%+ of people still start off with playing ninja, so how does that help anything? its just the way it is nothing can ever fix it.

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If they add 1 tank alone it will also hurt the DF and the class balance. The point is not adding classes alone, not only that, adding classes which are equally appealing to the player base from the iconic FF classes.

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Originally Posted by Abraxis

I fail to understand how having ROG/NIN pushed back to the expansion will help with queues, UNLESS you're leveling a lowbie or one of said new jobs. It's not like the new tank or healer class is going to be insta-(whatever the max level will be). People that are complaining about "end" game queue times will STILL have super long queue times. There is absolutely ZERO correlation with pushing a new DPS class back to coincide with any other new class that will help alleviate a majority of people's complaints with queue times...none.

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You have 10 people. Those 10 people are already tired of the same flavor candy. So you offer them 1 new flavor candy. How many people will go after that 1 new flavor? Most of them.
Now, if instead of 1 new flavor you add 3 new flavors, that "most of them" will spread between the new flavors and not just go for the only new one.

Players will play what they want? BUT OF COURSE! but, if you add variety of choices, players can move between choices and not just rush a single one and make what is supposed to be a good, fun and satisfactory experience in something to better be forgotten.

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Originally Posted by Moheeheeko

If people want more tanks then they should consider being less abusive to the current stock.
As of right now the only thing that adding more tank classes would do is diversify the current stock of tanks, you wouldnt see more tanks, just less pld/war.

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Holy balls! So much truth it hurts. It doesn't matter WHAT you call the next tank class, if people are douche mountains and cause the current tank player base to dislike/hate/fear or in any other way not want to queue up, the queue timer will not change. In fact, if the "elitists" and arseholes continue to belittle and bring on the vitriol, you'll have to wait even longer, because you'll be losing even more tanks that bother to queue, they'll be exclusive to their server, FC or just not bother.

This is also in no way saying that current tanks flex that digi-wang and pretend that your milkshake brings all the boys to the yard. Be civil, is that so hard? Well i'm sure some of you would say yes, if that's the case...seek help.

<Thanks for the offer, but I'll have to pass.>

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Originally Posted by Mandudez

Everyone that is saying no here: don't come crying when your queue times are 1 hour or longer lolol.

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ohh.. so leveling only via dungeon??... lol to you then...

FATE , Leve , Quest... helllooo??? they gone?? lol really ... before the roullete ever exist... before the exp from dungeon got boosted... we all leveling via FATE / Leve / Quest.. please don't make people think you can only gain level via dungeons ... rofl

OMG!! you're fears are validated.... :P Just look at this Random Trial Duty Roulette I did today.

https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/...15359548_n.jpg

And for those counting, technically that was 6x ACN in one group (2sch/4smn) Random Duty Roulette Party....we one shotted it and laughed our asses off. Because sometimes it's fun to see 'OMG look at all the SMN'S!' ....and we all know the game is currently balanced enough that this shouldn't be a normal occurence.

No one waited longer than normal for their queue.
We all had a blast.

Sounds successful enough right?

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Originally Posted by Grizzlebeard

I'm struggling to understand how the majority of posters in this thread can be so frigging short-sighted. Who do they think is going to tank and heal the parties they plan on mass-levelling their ninjas in because by that time pretty much everyone will have those jobs levelled and have zero intention of playing them. The queue times are going to be sickening when everyone and their dog is sitting on their shiny new DD class and QQ'ing because they're facing 90+ minute waits for Sastasha onwards.

Maybe S-E will come up with an ingenious solution like rewarding players with a minion for tanking Coil 2 onwards...

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who says you can only level from DF/dungeons?

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Originally Posted by Kinseykinz

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dat class stacking

Most ridiculous and "WTF IS THIS" thread yet.
Just goes to show that MMO communities will come out with a thread complaining about every single addition to a game. But this one definitely takes the prize.

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Originally Posted by Silverharp

Hey, remember when that online video game petition actually caused something to happen?
Neither do I.

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Haha, same came to my mind...

This forum is so predictable, SE announces/introduces something, the very next moment some "Petition against"-Thread pops up...

@OP

You all forget that Yoshi himself said that the party makeup is and was eventually, supposed to be like: 2Tanks 2Healers 2PureDPS 2Hybrids(8mans, adjust ratio for other party sizes). I have a feeling party layout is going to change to reflect ninja coming out, and the Duty finder wont be as bad as people thinks.

On a side note, after reading some post for this topic. The only way to truly balance this out with ninja coming out, would be to have Samurai( which is obviously going to be a tank) come out the same time or between 2.3 -2.4. This would solve all issues. As I know I would be main'n Samurai for the life-time of this game, and I wouldn't even look at ninja, even with how cool it looks.

It makes sense the more I think about it. Cuz ninja's are coming out of Doma, (doma the same city that our samurai friend from ff6, was from). There is also, the npc, that wanted you to find all the samurai scale piece for his armor. Doma seems to be the start of an Asian themed city, for this game. (knowone is even studying Samurai as the moment, it would blow minds if this actually was announced tomorrow)

Imagine he is letting us all down with the gun class, cuz we are really getting Samurai along with Ninja. and it would make sense that they both come that state of Doma.


...... today's the day we find out. ^^ make it happen Yoshi