ARR often feels very contradictory in its design (long)

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Where is this info se released. The last info se released stat wise showed that the majority wasn't even in coil thats why it made sense to implement CT because "most" are just getting to coil "now". Also idk where you got that +1 info I',m on Levi one of the most populated NA servers and I see plenty shouting/PF for Titian HM for relics. You even had posters in this thread i believe complaining they want a titian HM nerf because they can't get their relic. Most that play this isn't hard core this game is kind of wowish. Again this game isn't about super grinds only super grind they have now is FC housing. Finally I have no problem with them nerfing T5, I'd like to get in there b4 that and down her but if I don't no biggie. I'm on T5/Primal X farm atm I haven't beat T5 yet lol

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ok i will find that info on weapons, and i believe that i had this conversation before about people on coil they said 5% of the community is on endgame, which is utter bull. I wouldve believed 5% are not at endgame yet, and 60% hasnt beaten coil 5 yet id believe, but 5%? Also its from the same people who whe we complain certain jobs are horrible, SE just straight out says we play it wrong, or lag in titan is cause our cameras arent zoomed out. are you joking. Right now for most people aside from EX fights, Coil 5 is the only thing they havent beat. In a game where the end game is pretty much only coil, cause lets face it CT is a zergfest mess.

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Greetings,

Since the number of adventurers that are earning the relic +1 weapons is higher than we originally anticipated, the team felt that increasing the item level of the Binding Coil weapons would prove to be a nice motivational boost that would encourage more players to challenge this difficult content.

I agree in all your points. Granted, I'm not a huge open world person, I did play early 1.0 and know what you mean. I certainly like to be able to teleport around, but they could have stuff in remote areas of maps, and having NMs isn't a terrible thing, it would just be something extra, let them drop ilvl 60 so you can gear up alts, or have new players get some raid boss type experience.

As for the Armoury system I totally agree and have said the same to friends. They built this awesome system, they make per character lock-outs instead of per class. Give me 1 roll, per class, per week in CT. Coil would be a bit harder, if you did it the same way you'd miss out pretty bad on a "lucky" run that lots of your gear dropped, but it would streamline the luck process and allow people to run it more and help friends learn it etc.

In the long run, I think this game will slowly lose any rational consumer. At best, this game will be a niche mmo after WS and EQ hit the scene. This development team is too prideful to listen to any legit concerns, complaints, or suggestions. All meaningful and well written criticisms or suggestions are always met with "we have no plans to do that at this time." Essentially this forum is just players offering their thoughts to other players. The CM posts only serve as a reminder that the development team is going to do what ever they wish regardless of what players want, how players feel, or what is right.

its like i said before this game wont last. not even half as long as 11

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In the long run, I think this game will slowly lose any rational consumer. At best, this game will be a niche mmo after WS and EQ hit the scene.

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It's always like this. "Game will decline when the next MMO launches". I bet you all my gil that the Wildstar and Everquest forums will also have a lot of complaints, doomsaying and "they don't care about us" posts.

I'm being a bit hypocrite here because I also made some "they don't care about us" complaints. But that's how MMORPG forums goes... the next game is always better (until it launches, then people remember that nothing is perfect).

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its like i said before this game wont last. not even half as long as 11

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Thank you for your continual monthly sub, it will help this game grow and succeed!

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It's always like this. "Game will decline when the next MMO launches". I bet you all my gil that the Wildstar and Everquest forums will also have a lot of complaints, doomsaying and "they don't care about us" posts.

I'm being a bit hypocrite here because I also made some "they don't care about us" complaints. But that's how MMORPG forums goes... the next game is always better (until it launches, then people remember that nothing is perfect).

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I agree with your statements. I was one of the people saying give SE some time back in the fall. This is not a new game anymore and I think even people who would be long lasting players, like myself, are growing ever more cynical of FF14, SE, and the development team.

I see CMs post shit like this:

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Greetings,

There are currently no plans to add any end-game style content for Disciples of the Hand.

Once free company housing becomes a bit more widespread we expect the demand for furniture to increase, and as the maximum item level is increased, we will of course be introducing new recipes to create higher-level items.

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and I feel like no matter how much time we give this game, it will go to hell in a hand basket. With developers this blind, any triple A mmo would have a bleak future.

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meh probably wont be for much longer, honestly think i could have more fun loggin back into 11 sometimes. 2.2 will probably be it for me this game has gone in a direction i cant stand anymore.

If anything here is ever addressed it most likely wont be until an expansion, or at least a level cap increase or two.

While I don't want to go back to the days of version 1.0 it almost felt like the team knew a bit more of what they were doing. In 2.0 here it doesn't seem as much. Regarding the crafting system I've grown to love and adore it now, something I hardly cared for in 1.0 due to how boring and random it felt. It still is a little random but they breathed new life into it. Yet, it's virtually damned near pointless to do. Yoshi-P's vision appears to be having it in just as a "feature" that all MMO's have but push it to the farthest corners and forget it exists. It has little use, is too easy to cap, and just about any armor, weapons, or even items you may craft are utterly obsolete in favor of a dungeon or token system drop.

I've actually been struggling to get myself to get hooked on this game like I had in 1.0 but it's difficult. I have little interest in logging in most days, and it's because that same magic or feel that 1.0 had is gone. It's not there's too little to do, or too much to do. It's not that the content is lacking, or is boring. I believe FFXIV is trying to be too much like every other MMO out there but it isn't working too successfully. I'm straying off topic.

I have yet to play enough to be affected by the lockouts, but I can already tell that had I been a much more active player they likely would have already. And I can agree it does feel as if it contradicts a lot of what the Armory System was about. Multiple jobs on one character but you'll have to focus primarily on one and only one until you finish gearing up that job, and then you have to move onto the next to gear up that job. Meanwhile you're looking at months apart before you'll even have maybe one job fully geared up sufficiently.

The item level is flawed, badly. Materia-infused gear can quite possibly rival some of the ilvl80 gear if properly melded, maybe even ilvl90 gear. Don't quote me on that since I've never did the comparisons. The point however is item level means nothing beyond a "gate" to more difficult content you need to meet or beat to access. Yet this whole system doesn't count superior or highly-infused crafted gear, and the ilvl requirements for quite a few dungeons is either too low or makes no sense for the gear that's said to drop from it.

The only thing that keeps me playing is this. I loved FFXIV 1.0... that is to say, 1.23. It was GARBAGE in 1.0

...but by 1.23 I actually fell in love with the game. I freaking miss it honestly. We'll never get it again, but this is a new FFXIV.

2.0 isn't garbage by any means but its broken. It's a sinking ship. It took a year and a half for 1.0 to go from being a turd, to something of a beautiful stone. It was no diamond, nor gem... but I won't ever forget it.

So 2.0 has that opportunity. It has the time to become greater. The only problem I feel is that it will not, because of the forced PS3 compatibility. Our zones are smaller, they're broken up, because of PS3 limitations, and this is forever going to stunt the game unless they drop PS3 support and work exclusively on PC/PS4 platforms, or give PC/PS4 platforms a brand new client.

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So 2.0 has that opportunity. It has the time to become greater. The only problem I feel is that it will not, because of the forced PS3 compatibility. Our zones are smaller, they're broken up, because of PS3 limitations, and this is forever going to stunt the game unless they drop PS3 support and work exclusively on PC/PS4 platforms, or give PC/PS4 platforms a brand new client.

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What could be better if the game was PS4/PC only?
Besides graphics (the game is already beautiful, though).

A lot of the stuff from 1.0 was planned under the old direction, the biggest example is Hamlet Defense and Beastmen Strongholds, they also planned some sort of guild company system that eventually turned into Grand Companies and finally Free Companies. It always felt like just a small dedicated crew was left working on 1.0 slowly finishing these incomplete concepts and gameplay elements because their framework was already there, while the bigger part of the team was working on ARR behind the scenes, if you look at all the patch notes there weren't major content additions until around 1.17-1.18 and the majority were system fixes.

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What could be better if the game was PS4/PC only?

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It's not just 'graphics'. The video memory on the ps3 is what is limiting texture and model count, as well as the size of the zones. It's not that the PS3 can't handle large zones, it just needs to be able to do this and load all the people in said zones, and it already does a poor job of this as it is. The sad part is, while the PC/PS4 will perform better, the core structure of the game HAS TO accommodate the PS3 hardware. Do you think zones got broken down into small segmented chunks on purpose? Did you know the previous version of this game had NO zone borders? When you stood on the cliffs of La Noscea and saw Limsa Lominsa in the horizon, it was Limsa Lominsa. Not a fake model of it with a blurry 2d backdrop. This goes beyond graphics, that's immersion. Do you know how breathtaking it is to walk in an unbroken world? The only game that has managed to do this with strength is, ironically, World of Warcraft, but anyone who played Vanilla in that game can tell you, it's what got them hooked in the first place.

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Do you know how breathtaking it is to walk in an unbroken world? The only game that has managed to do this with strength is, ironically, World of Warcraft, but anyone who played Vanilla in that game can tell you, it's what got them hooked in the first place.

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Yes... I know. And now we have flying mounts to skip all that mass of useless land. The novelty wears off after the first time and it becomes a chore to get through it. I know 1.0 had no zone borders... I also know that it had long corridors to hide loading times, and even more laggy than 2.0.

People are always blaming the PS3 for things they don't like. Besides the UI, nothing else is confirmed as "PS3 limitation".

I must be too old to think that cosmetics doesn't and never will make good gameplay.

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Yes... I know. And now we have flying mounts to skip all that mass of useless land. The novelty wears off after the first time and it becomes a chore to get through it. I know 1.0 had no zone borders... I also know that it had long corridors to hide loading times, and even more laggy than 2.0.

People are always blaming the PS3 for things they don't like. Besides the UI, nothing else is confirmed as "PS3 limitation".

I must be too old to think that cosmetics doesn't and never will make good gameplay.

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except theres hundreds and hundreds of threads proving that ps3 limitation are true but you people seem to just ignore them. they even removed belts from the game to alleviate stress on the ps3. and the fact of waiting on people who skipped cut scenes but still take like 3 minutes for their games to actually load just happened in a CM run.

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except theres hundreds and hundreds of threads proving that ps3 limitation are true but you people seem to just ignore them. they even removed belts from the game to alleviate stress on the ps3. and the fact of waiting on people who skipped cut scenes but still take like 3 minutes for their games to actually load just happened in a CM run.

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Having belts on my character wouldn't make the game better. There was official posts saying they were removed due to ruining the look of sets, anyway.
You know slow loading also happens with people who have slow HDs and low RAM memory, right?

You guys don't remember how many others "failed" MMORPG with awesome cosmetics are out there.

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Having belts on my character wouldn't make the game better. There was official posts saying they were removed due to ruining the look of sets, anyway.
You know slow loading also happens with people who have slow HDs and low RAM memory, right?

You guys don't remember how many others "failed" MMORPG with awesome cosmetics are out there.

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true and yes but they are also lazy with stuff for instance my tail as a miqote. Back in 1.0 they made the gear around the tail made certain gear look nice with the split made for the tail, now the tails just clip through and looks sloppy and stupid. and i dont feel like it ruin sets with belt the LEAST they couldve done is add a hid belt option. i liked the way my drg use to look with a scarlet sash on.

I agree with the OP on every part.I have given this game the 6 months I said I would and now it is time to decide if I should waste my money on this game any longer. I played XI for years and I have played 1.0 to 2.0 and 2.0 has been nothing but utter disappointment. I have no idea what Yoshi is trying to make this game into but at this point I dont think he even knows what he should do.

I have seen a lot of players that I use to play with, as well as a lot of players in different ls and fc's report they are loseing players. These players are not logging in anymore and it seems to be a safe bet they have dropped their subs. This game has potential but can Yoshi and co unlock it before it is too late.

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I agree with the OP on every part.I have given this game the 6 months I said I would and now it is time to decide if I should waste my money on this game any longer. I played XI for years and I have played 1.0 to 2.0 and 2.0 has been nothing but utter disappointment. I have no idea what Yoshi is trying to make this game into but at this point I dont think he even knows what he should do.

I have seen a lot of players that I use to play with, as well as a lot of players in different ls and fc's report they are loseing players. These players are not logging in anymore and it seems to be a safe bet they have dropped their subs. This game has potential but can Yoshi and co unlock it before it is too late.

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happened to about 12 people i use to play with in ls they all quit cause they dont have pride in this game anymore. i feel bad a couple irl friends just bought the game i dont see them lasting long either. they like challenge and story, ARR has neither

Would like to see this thread not get buried without at least a response or acknowledgement, as it's probably one of the better worded cases on some of the issues quite a few people have been voicing to the dev team.

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I'm pretty sure that's the only way things will change. Bad press or a huge decrease in subs.

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I feel like no matter how much time we give this game, it will go to hell in a hand basket. With developers this blind, any triple A mmo would have a bleak future.

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You sir get a quote, my thoughts exactly. Crafting really seems to be there just because it was in 1.0. Technically the game could function perfectly without it. IT really needs some love lol.

Its a shame not seeing any comment yet from the dev team or reps. I hope the Japanese made a thread like this one....

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Its a shame not seeing any comment yet from the dev team or reps. I hope the Japanese made a thread like this one....

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SE doesnt care what anyone thinks now there in there comfort zone.
we had threads like this since beta in 1.0 then beta in 2.0 no one touched them but the fanboys saying everything was perfect and we dont need anything changed "go back too wow".

im all out of crysta now dont plan on buying anymore. login to grind dungeons then get locked out till reset is fail.

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You make a lot of correct statements. I have to say I feel about the same. Even with the open world content. Once you do all the dungeons all the quests and get good end game gear on one class you realize that almost everything you have been doing is instances. After the story I feel the world becoming boring, and fates don't seem to make the world more interesting because I am not able to go to a place to find or fight what I want in my own convenience. I have to wait for the fate and this makes me not want to do the fate because from my experiences with doing fate quests it could take 30 min to an hour for the fate I want to spawn. In 1.0 I never felt this way, it might be because the world was bigger (because most of time you wanted to save anima so you walked to places) and there was a lot of open world NM and interesting places with lvl 70-90 monsters. This thread seems to have a fix for the armory system issue you brought up http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Economy-crisis.

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but the fanboys saying everything was perfect and we dont need anything changed.

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I made 3 big posts on reddit, closer to when this game was new and got downvoted into oblivion because everyone was "honeymooning." It seems like people are starting to come to their senses because a lot of things the "trolls" were saying at release are what everyone is saying now lol.

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen..._in_this_game/

- A thread on how TP in this game doesn't bring a SINGLE ounce of fun into this game.

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...pose_in_ffxiv/

- A thread on how crafting could be taken out of this game and no one would notice.

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...ame_by_design/

- A thead on how the skills in this game leave a lot on the table, (focuses on a PLD standpoint more than anything). Funny how nowadays everyone says PLD is just a 123 rotation bot.

I was thinking about this today. I have no idea what Yoshi's doing; everything's just so watered down and miss-matched.

1-50 and partially though End Game: It's like hopping around smushing Bunnies with a Mallet while whistling a catchy tune.

One step deeper into End Game: Suddenly "HARDCORE EXP ONLY! LET’S GET THIS DONE! DISBANDING AFTER 3RD WIPE FOR OUR SANITIES SAKE"

And seeing how there's no open world content or a sense of danger out there, there's nothing (exciting) to explore. *sigh* I recall mining in Ifrit's Cauldron way back when. Running around in my mining clothes, using sneak/invis pots, looking on in awe at the dangerous NMs that no one would fight. If I could have just skipped in there while decimating everything in my path while swinging my Pickaxe, I wouldn't even remember the zones name today.

So… I don't see myself re-subscribing after my times up. If they add actual decent content later on, I'll probably come back, but if it's more "EXTREME SIMON SAYS: YOU LAG YOU DIE! Edition" I'll continue to spend my time elsewhere.

People seem to be lamenting 1.0 and completely forgetting what a nightmare it was and why there were so few dedicated players that actually stuck around. While I agree with OP that there are issues with the game in it's current state, it is still a far cry from the mess people are lovingly comparing it to.

I am in agreement that there seems to be a clear lack of vision (unified or otherwise) and that aspects of the game are suffering because of it. I've avoided crafting in most MMOs since it is usually the weakest aspect in any game, tagged on simply because players expect it with no real goal to make it an integral part of the game. And that holds true with FFXIV atm as well, although it has been fleshed out far greater than other MMOs and should really be one of the games strengths. Instead we feel this hollow accomplishment, like we've done something great by maxing out a crafting class and it all feels worthwhile but just quickly fades into obscurity since nothing is required from them.

OP has very valid points and it would behoove the devs to pay attention and take this on board. No there doesn't seem to be any clear vision and the players are noticing in larger numbers that parts of the game don't meld together and others just feel tagged on. However, I have seen so much good come from the devs in the short time that the game has been operating and there have been some great advances that players have asked for, that I feel will continue to come. I don't fret for the game in it's current state and I don't lament 1.0, 2.0 has been a great start and 2.1 made some much needed changes. Now with a little constructive feedback, the devs can continue to improve and maybe find that unified vision.

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I was thinking about this today. I have no idea what Yoshi's doing; everything's just so watered down and miss-matched.

1-50 and partially though End Game: It's like hopping around smushing Bunnies with a Mallet while whistling a catchy tune.

One step deeper into End Game: Suddenly "HARDCORE EXP ONLY! LET’S GET THIS DONE! DISBANDING AFTER 3RD WIPE FOR OUR SANITIES SAKE"

And seeing how there's no open world content or a sense of danger out there, there's nothing (exciting) to explore. *sigh* I recall mining in Ifrit's Cauldron way back when. Running around in my mining clothes, using sneak/invis pots, looking on in awe at the dangerous NMs that no one would fight. If I could have just skipped in there while decimating everything in my path while swinging my Pickaxe, I wouldn't even remember the zones name today.

So… I don't see myself re-subscribing after my times up. If they add actual decent content later on, I'll probably come back, but if it's more "EXTREME SIMON SAYS: YOU LAG YOU DIE! Edition" I'll continue to spend my time elsewhere.

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And that's probably the biggest issue this game has; it just isn't exciting. I got suspended earlier this week from 14 and I couldn't have cared less. I only had 4 days left on my sub and didn't plan on renewing.

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I got suspended earlier this week from 14 and I couldn't have cared less. I only had 4 days left on my sub and didn't plan on renewing.

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I love how people are just making up blatant lies at this point lmfao...your account is suspended but you can still post 8D amazing

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I love how people are just making up blatant lies at this point lmfao...your account is suspended but you can still post 8D amazing

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If you weren't an idiot you'd know that you can be suspended from the game without being suspended from the forums and vice versa.

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If you weren't an idiot you'd know that you can be suspended from the game without being suspended from the forums and vice versa.

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That's the second time he's jumped to just calling people liars.

havent logged in for a few days now and every time i even start to log in i just think on how im gonna sit there with nothing to do and i just end up exiting before game loads. you people say 1.0 is bad, yes it was but 1.23 was way better than 2.0 more stuff do do, crafting was worth it , hamlet with crafters was cool it was actual content for crafters besides just crafting. 1.23 was the reason i was begging my friends to play and they like how it looked, then they join 2.0 and are like wtf is this, i feel like an ass for and im embarrassment hyping up a game and them wasting their cash.

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havent logged in for a few days now and every time i even start to log in i just think on how im gonna sit there with nothing to do and i just end up exiting before game loads. you people say 1.0 is bad, yes it was but 1.23 was way better than 2.0 more stuff do do, crafting was worth it , hamlet with crafters was cool it was actual content for crafters besides just crafting. 1.23 was the reason i was begging my friends to play and they like how it looked, then they join 2.0 and are like wtf is this, i feel like an ass for and im embarrassment hyping up a game and them wasting their cash.

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Please just quit...trust no one cares.

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... but crafters need to be able to actually make something people want. Right now they really don't, and supply far outstrips demand.

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...reason why we have nothing to sell is because EVERYONE can gather and craft EVERYTHING...

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^This

*Need to make this longer so it will post

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Please just quit...trust no one cares.

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Wow. You're just full of useful, informed opinions today aren't you?

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Please just quit...trust no one cares.

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You must be all the rage in your parties aren't you?

I love how people urge others to quit if they don't like it.
As if they see the people abandoning in lifeboats as shedding excess weight to keep the sinking ship afloat.