Is there too much soy in this game's community

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

You conflated them. At me. Called my part “bs” saying it’s used to justify the other. This is all on you making a mountain out of a molehill. Trying to fight multiple fronts. Point the finger at yourself

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Please, re-read my posts. I never once said your part was bs. Please clam down.

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

But people need to grow a spine. Get thicker skin. Not every criticism is a personal attack or life ending. But the community, at least the vocal community is starting to swing their reactions in that direction. Simultaneously acting with a behaviour they claim they are fighting against

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I pity the son or daughter who is taught that "a spine" or "thicker skin" is the answer to verbal abuse. "Just ignore it, it will go away" is very poor advice.

If one truly believes in that nonsense about "thicker skin", a negative reaction to criticism should be brushed off as well. Yet, a negative reaction to what one might consider a valid point appears to wound the critic.

While it is true that "not every criticism is a personal attack", not every reaction to criticism is unwarranted. In the same manner one advises others to "grow a spine", perhaps they should be taking that advice to heart. Except that it is poor advice to begin with.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

Please, re-read my posts. I never once said your part was bs. Please clam down.

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Reread it. Found it for you.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

All of this "you can't say anything anymore" bullshit is actually a thinly veiled attempt to censor people who disagree with backwards views. It's telling 'the woke' to shut up and put up with bigotry.

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

Reread it. Found it for you.

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And where did I say that's directed at you? It's actually directed at the TC, and the argument I was countering. The argument I was saying you shouldn't conflate with constructive criticism.

If you're only arguing about constructive criticism, then that doesn't apply to you.
Are you saying it does?

You've misunderstood and misrepresented me, several times now, and got offended every time.
You're right. You really do have to walk on eggshells around here.

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

I pity the son or daughter who is taught that "a spine" or "thicker skin" is the answer to verbal abuse. "Just ignore it, it will go away" is very poor advice.

If one truly believes in that nonsense about "thicker skin", a negative reaction to criticism should be brushed off as well. Yet, a negative reaction to what one might consider a valid point appears to wound the critic.

While it is true that "not every criticism is a personal attack", not every reaction to criticism is unwarranted. In the same manner one advises others to "grow a spine", perhaps they should be taking that advice to heart. Except that it is poor advice to begin with.

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Not everything is verbal abuse. That’s a key part of this. Criticism is valid and can be used to grow. Just because it hurts your feelings or makes you uncomfortable doesn’t equate it to abuse.

People don’t like being made feel negative. But it’s how we handle it and what we do with it. Treat all criticism as abuse and let it consume you, then what you were criticized on will always be there. Instead learn from it. Grow from it. As per my earlier example; stop standing in the bad in duties and the team progresses easier. Or keep standing in the bad and blame the healer for your own shortcomings you aren’t mentally or emotionally equipped to deal with

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

And where did I say that's directed at you? It's actually directed at the TC, and the argument I was countering. The argument I was saying you shouldn't conflate with constructive criticism.

If you're only arguing about constructive criticism, then that doesn't apply to you.
Are you saying it does?

You've misunderstood and misrepresented me, several times now, and got offended every time.
You're right. You really do have to walk on eggshells around here.

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I pulled the quote from your response to me. Swallow your pride

Ladies and gentlemen, the true villain; Miscommunication.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

There's a world of difference between taking offence at someone trying to help you with constructive criticism, and taking offence at a blatantly racist joke.

The fact is, if people don't like what you're saying, they're allowed to disagree with you.
All of this "you can't say anything anymore" bullshit is actually a thinly veiled attempt to censor people who disagree with backwards views. It's telling 'the woke' to shut up and put up with bigotry.

Meanwhile players who get constructive criticism for their performance, and take it badly, are likely that way because they've become used to other players being aggressive and judgemental. As I said, these are actually entirely opposite issues. Players get defensive about their performance because of aggressive, highly competitive players who try to police everything.
They shouldn't get defensive about constructive criticism, but they shouldn't have to get defensive either.

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Nah people are snowflakes if constructive criticism upsets them that much. Also weird you say people are policing performance and you are here trying to police how people talk. You,nor anyone can control what people say so no point in trying.Perhaps try not being offended at every little thing. Shrug it off and move on. Most people in life you will have limited interactions anyways.

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Originally Posted by Skiros

Back in Heavensward and Stormblood you can insult people and mock them and they'll just insult and mock you back. Banter, friendly or unfriendly, was the norm.

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Not my experience. At all. Insults and mockery are reportable offenses. That the OP did not experience a ban for such behavior probably speaks more against the players they associated with. I have observed that behaviors such as described above do tend to be the norm for First Person Shooters and MOBAs.

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

Not everything is verbal abuse ... Or keep standing in the bad and blaim the healer for your own shortcomings you aren’t mentally or emotionally equipped to deal with

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A classic example of ignoring the fact that what one says is verbal abuse. At least we know exactly what the writer thinks about people who do not follow their advice.

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

Not my experience. At all. Insults and mockery are reportable offenses. That the OP did not experience a ban for such behavior probably speaks more against the players they associated with. I have observed that behaviors such as described above do tend to be the norm for First Person Shooters and MOBAs.



A classic example of ignoring the fact that what one says is verbal abuse. At least we know exactly what the writer thinks about people who do not follow their advice.

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It’s not about how they follow advice. It’s about their reaction to anything non positive. You demonstrated part of the problem. You misrepresented the comment.

If you melt down over criticism, you aren’t equipped to deal with it.

Had nothing to do with not following orders