Viera and Hrothgar Megathread

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12-04-2021, 04:52 PM
Ranhansha

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Originally Posted by Halivel

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So... as much as we all hoped that they will unlock everything at once, where do they say that they will add everything at once? Unless I'm blind - they didn't. All they said is that males are done with no issue females used to have from the beginning (which supposedly should mean that it should be easier to add new haircuts in future, be it unlocking old ones or designing new ones).

I get the feeling of dissapointment, which is justified, but accusing developers of lie when there was no lie in the first place doesn't seem like a right way to make a complaint nor argument.

Yeah, maybe shady practice is starting to sound better. Announcing a class will have no limitations to boost hype and fantasia sales and then just releasing 3 new styles, which is fewer than the female counterpart, which has limitations... Weird...
People now seem disappointed and frustrated about hairstyles, wonder why. Maybe these people will fantasia back. Moar money. I've been on this boat for 2 years and this is disgusting, tbh. Why weren't they honest from the beginning? Was it that difficult? "Hey we will release more heirsyles for females AND males in the future even though they have no restrictions" They knew this moment was coming. THEY KNEW. They have been reading about viera and hrothgar for 2 years and they added the styles and built males differently for a reason, but suddenly decided to keep quiet about that for no reason? Not buying excuses any more.
12-04-2021, 06:30 PM
Yencat

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

It just feels rushed, like some of the other hairs just look kind of... bad.. as well. That hairband is just particularly egregious. I guess they wanted the PR, or didn't want female viera to feel left out that male viera got some hairs? Granted, I'm not sure if the hairs for males look any good either..

I don't think it was a pity or a PR thing. Male Viera got the same amount of "new" hairstyles as female Viera, and basically the same ones at that. They got Snow instead of Lightning and a different legacy hairstyle but the others are the same and I assume they look the same on them as well.
12-04-2021, 06:34 PM
SturmChurro

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Originally Posted by Yencat

I don't think it was a pity or a PR thing. Male Viera got the same amount of "new" hairstyles as female Viera, and basically the same ones at that. They got Snow instead of Lightning and a different legacy hairstyle but the others are the same and I assume they look the same on them as well.

Maybe they were made like this on purpose.. to be all like: "see, this is why we never bothered in the first place!", "Now stop bugging us!". :p
12-04-2021, 06:49 PM
Yencat

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Maybe they were made like this on purpose.. to be all like: "see, this is why we never bothered in the first place!", "Now stop bugging us!". :p

Personally I don't really mind all that much how it looks, I mean it looks really bad but I just thought it was funny how adamant people were that the mods looked trash and SE would never put anything out looking like that. :D
12-04-2021, 07:34 PM
reivaxe

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

It just feels rushed, like some of the other hairs just look kind of... bad.. as well. That hairband is just particularly egregious. I guess they wanted the PR, or didn't want female viera to feel left out that male viera got some hairs? Granted, I'm not sure if the hairs for males look any good either..

If anything, that headband shows how lil resources they are willing to put into making custom hair for this race.
Like, I PERSONALLY can logic it away as being "2 hair clips!" but like ... you couldn't give that a hair texture to cover it up? No lock of hair to go over it, like on the top of the head? Was this not complete?

They REALLY don't like making custom hair, which is why they didn't want to do this in the first place. I actually think they shoulda stuck with their "We're only gonna make unique hair for them" stance, cause most of these 6 look lame or outdated. Like, who out here cares about basic ponytail or 9S hair? The Karen hair is the clear winner, woulda preferred Early to Rise over most of the others.
12-04-2021, 07:41 PM
SturmChurro

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Originally Posted by Yencat

Personally I don't really mind all that much how it looks, I mean it looks really bad but I just thought it was funny how adamant people were that the mods looked trash and SE would never put anything out looking like that. :D

Better than nothing, I guess? :(

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

If anything, that headband shows how lil resources they are willing to put into making custom hair for this race.
Like, I PERSONALLY can logic it away as being "2 hair clips!" but like ... you couldn't give that a hair texture to cover it up? No lock of hair to go over it, like on the top of the head? Was this not complete?

They REALLY don't like making custom hair, which is why they didn't want to do this in the first place. I actually think they shoulda stuck with their "We're only gonna make unique hair for them" stance, cause most of these 6 look lame or outdated.

I think I remember seeing a more recent quote by them, stating how they weren't going to do any further hairs, and then referencing these ones. Which was news to me. Maybe somebody recalls this? Might be in this thread even. Anyway, yeah, they don't seem too willing to do more than the minimum racial hairs they start with, and not much custom work to begin with - which may be why I suspect they still haven't done hempen sets.
12-04-2021, 07:45 PM
Iscah

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

I am very happy about bunnymen, but this expansion is just so weird to me. They have reskins of multiple gear for instance...

I haven't got into dungeons to see what is new or recycled there, but it's entirely normal for them to be recycling gear, particularly the crafted sets. Some of the colour scheme choices seem odd though, plus revisiting recent dyeable sets over older ones yet to be made dyeable.
12-04-2021, 07:48 PM
Yencat

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

"We're only gonna make unique hair for them" stance, cause most of these 6 look lame or outdated.

They were never going to do that, look at what they posted when they announced these.

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We’d previously announced we’d be unable to add more hairstyles for Viera and Hrothgar as they are designed in a special way compared to other races. However, we saw an extreme number of requests from across the globe, so the development team set out to rework the system and finally made it possible to add more hairstyles after almost two years.

They never actually "announced this" previously or we wouldn't have been impatiently waiting and asking when the stuff they actually announced would be coming, but as it turns out they were straight up unable to add anything to either Viera or Hrothgar before they did their rework, and now the long delay makes sense.

Now that female Viera has received their rework and male Viera has it baked-in we'll see what it means going forward in terms of hairstyles, but if this is truly the best they could do I don't know if expecting they'll be able to remove the Fantasia restriction for Hrothgar is even an option.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I think I remember seeing a more recent quote by them, stating how they weren't going to do any further hairs, and then referencing these ones. Which was news to me. Maybe somebody recalls this? Might be in this thread even.

I think I just quoted that bit before I saw your post. But yeah it's not saying they're not going to do more after this, it's saying that apparently even though they told us we'd see more in Shadowbringers they're now claiming told us previously they would be unable to add more before they did this rework. Silly us for misunderstanding, right? :confused:

The work is done now so we can assume (but not expect) it won't be another 2 years, but they definitely fudged the facts about what they originally told us a bit.
12-04-2021, 08:22 PM
SturmChurro

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Originally Posted by Yencat

I think I just quoted that bit before I saw your post. But yeah it's not saying they're not going to do more after this, it's saying that apparently even though they told us we'd see more in Shadowbringers they're now claiming told us previously they would be unable to add more before they did this rework. Silly us for misunderstanding, right? :confused:

The work is done now so we can assume (but not expect) it won't be another 2 years, but they definitely fudged the facts about what they originally told us a bit.

Yeah, that's what I was referencing, because I remember initially them saying that viera would get hairs, and then they said they would get custom or racial specific hairs, but now they are saying they told us previously they were unable to add any additional hairs? I don't remember them EVER saying that, in all the discussions we've had on here, you'd think somebody would have brought up a quote stating that? :confused:
12-04-2021, 08:26 PM
Halivel

Do we play some different game and listen to different developers..?

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Originally Posted by Ranhansha

Announcing a class will have no limitations to boost hype and fantasia sales and then just releasing 3 new styles, which is fewer than the female counterpart, which has limitations... Weird...

First of all, this isn't true. Both female and male Viera have 17 racial haricuts, 1 common haircut anf 5 unlockable haircuts:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...-04_134948.png https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...-04_134904.png

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Originally Posted by Ranhansha

Why weren't they honest from the beginning? Was it that difficult?

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Q: Are there plans to add more hairstyles for Viera and Hrothgar?

A: Of course we'll continue to add new hairstyles, so please look forward to future patches. It still has to be race-specific so it won't match the pace of the other races, but there will be more hairstyles added

This was his original answer from Gamewatch interview back from June, 2019, shortly before 5.0 release. This is pretty much the only thing I'm able to find right now as it was translated from Japanese to English by reddit team and can be easily tracked down in their discord. Old English interviews and are a bit hard to find now that there are too many fresh search results that match the key words.

However: From the very beginning Yoshida said that they have issues with adding existing haircuts for them. From the very beginning he said they can't promise they will add all of them. From the very beginning he said they can't promise that they will even add male Viera (which iirc was an answer from moderator here on Forums?), which they did in the end. It quite obviously was harder than people think it was.

I don't know what kind of honesty you expect at this point, really. They were as transparent as they likely could be consideing that a lot of information about development is under NDA even for higher ups. He can't just give every single bit of info on a gold plate just because players demand it. His vague "sorry, I can't say that for now" answers during letters about various things people ask about show as much.

They said that male Viera don't have same restriction that they had to fix for female Viera. They, in fact, don't. They come from the box with additional haircuts that weren't available to female Viera on their release. They provided exactly what they said.

Once more: I get the dissapoitment. I had the hope that they will add more haircuts, if not all of them, right away just as much as everyone else did. However, calling DevTeam shady and saying they lied when in reality they didn't lie isn't a right course of actions. It's not any better than what some people did at 5.0 release with throwing threats and curses on them for the abscense of Male Viera.
12-04-2021, 08:34 PM
Yencat

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Originally Posted by Halivel

I don't know what kind of honesty you expect at this point, really.

Agree with most of your post, but you don't think these are contradictory statements?

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Q: Are there plans to add more hairstyles for Viera and Hrothgar?

A: Of course we'll continue to add new hairstyles, so please look forward to future patches.

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We’d previously announced we’d be unable to add more hairstyles for Viera and Hrothgar.
12-04-2021, 08:54 PM
Strongfat900

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

I am very happy about bunnymen, but this expansion is just so weird to me. They have reskins of multiple gear for instance, viera only got 6 hairstyles and honestly most of them do not look good (there is a strange bump on the legacy one, the 2B band is ...ooof) and they added a bunch of companion mechanics during the story to "show you around areas" and whatnot that couldve just been avoided but instead now take up alot of ones time. I spent hours playing yesterday before finally reaching a dungeon. Some of their choices are just strange to me and this with the hairs for viera is one of them.

In my opinion, I would say that they're simply testing hairstyles from in-game, unlockables and mogstation for both genders in their servers. I mean, while there's issue of the battleready hairstyle for female Viera(should have simply remove the hairband), the rest are pretty normal to me. I'm glad that they added the hairstyle in your avatar though. Hopefully, we'll get more hairstyles in future patches. Strange bump?
12-04-2021, 08:57 PM
LuciaMirain

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I haven't got into dungeons to see what is new or recycled there, but it's entirely normal for them to be recycling gear, particularly the crafted sets. Some of the colour scheme choices seem odd though, plus revisiting recent dyeable sets over older ones yet to be made dyeable.

It is, but there is basically nothing new so far. That is what is strange to me. Some reskins are nice to have, sure. But there are recolours of already recoloured gear. And when I look at npcs they have amazing garbs which to me says they have no issues coming up with new gear, they just dont seem to have the time to implement it for the players. Same as the hairs, it is a bit botched.
12-04-2021, 08:59 PM
Halivel

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Originally Posted by Yencat

Agree with most of your post, but you don't think these are contradictory statements?

They do, and I'm not sure why he said that one honestly, given that he also said on several occasions that they will work on that, starting as early as right after 5.0 release when people bombarded them with the question. As much as I want, I can't read his mind on this one. For the most part he was consistent with answers on the matter, so I assume it's safe to stick to what he usually said. /shrug
12-04-2021, 09:01 PM
LuciaMirain

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Originally Posted by Strongfat900

In my opinion, I would say that they're simply testing hairstyles from in-game, unlockables and mogstation for both genders in their servers. I mean, while there's issue of the battleready hairstyle for female Viera(should have simply remove the hairband), the rest are pretty normal to me. I'm glad that they added the hairstyle in your avatar though. Hopefully, we'll get more hairstyles in future patches. Strange bump?

The one I am using atm has a bump in the back from certain angles. I dont know how to describe it, but it is like the skull is lifted there. The lightning and the karen one look fine, while the ponytail is horrible. The 9s is fine but I never liked it to begin with and the 2B is just.....I dont understand why they would do it like that, it feels very unfinished.
12-04-2021, 09:04 PM
Yencat

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Originally Posted by Halivel

They do, and I'm not sure why he said that one honestly, given that he also said on several occasions that they will work on that, starting as early as right after 5.0 release when people bombarded them with the question. As much as I want, I can't read his mind on this one. For the most part he was consistent with answers on the matter, so I assume it's safe to stick to what he usually said. /shrug

Oh I'm not expecting you to mind read or answer for him of course, but things like this cause a lot of frustration.

Given that it took this long I think it's safe to say they were actually unable to add more until the rework, we just didn't know that because no one told us lol
12-04-2021, 09:09 PM
Halivel

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Originally Posted by Yencat

Oh I'm not expecting you to mind read or answer for him of course, but things like this cause a lot of frustration.

Given that it took this long I think it's safe to say they were actually unable to add more until the rework, we just didn't know that because no one told us lol

Most likely so. Here's the hope that now with the lift of said restriction they'll be able to add next haircuts faster (or at least add new unlockable ones at the same time they add them for everyone else).
12-04-2021, 09:17 PM
Yencat

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Originally Posted by Halivel

Here's the hope that now with the lift of said restriction they'll be able to add next haircuts faster (or at least add new unlockable ones at the same time they add them for everyone else).

Cheers to that :)
12-04-2021, 09:55 PM
Strongfat900

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

The one I am using atm has a bump in the back from certain angles. I dont know how to describe it, but it is like the skull is lifted there. The lightning and the karen one look fine, while the ponytail is horrible. The 9s is fine but I never liked it to begin with and the 2B is just.....I dont understand why they would do it like that, it feels very unfinished.

I like the pony tail though, rofl. Hmm, well, it makes her looking like how women used to look back in the 60's. I guess is simply because Viera heads obviously have different head meshs to say the Elezen for example. Like, when I mod hairstyles for the Khajiit in Skyrim using Humanoid hairstyles, you had to adjust the hairstyles using Outfit studio program to fit on the Khajiit heads. The Humanoid races in Skyrim all use the same head mesh btw with different face gen data. obviously that's not the case in FFXIV which each race have their own unique head mesh. By "bump" if you mean the bump at the top-back of the hair then it's always been there. I think that the rabbit ears makes it more obvious to see than in say the Elezen like here.
https://i.ibb.co/K2DGLVz/Capture.png
12-04-2021, 10:01 PM
KaTnIs

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

It just feels rushed, like some of the other hairs just look kind of... bad.. as well. That hairband is just particularly egregious. I guess they wanted the PR, or didn't want female viera to feel left out that male viera got some hairs? Granted, I'm not sure if the hairs for males look any good either..

"rushed" Is the right word for it. The "new" hairstyles looks not good on both...
12-04-2021, 10:04 PM
Yencat

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Originally Posted by Strongfat900

https://i.ibb.co/K2DGLVz/Capture.png

Everyone except Miqo'te has a massive awful conehead with that hairstyle. I'm glad it seems to fit better on Viera, I can explain away the slightly more noticeable bump on the back as back-combing in my mind. :p
12-04-2021, 10:04 PM
LuciaMirain

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Originally Posted by Strongfat900

I like the pony tail though, rofl. Hmm, well, it makes her looking like how women used to look back in the 60's. I guess is simply because Viera heads obviously have different head meshs to say the Elezen for example. Like, when I mod hairstyles for the Khajiit in Skyrim using Humanoid hairstyles, you had to adjust the hairstyles using Outfit studio program to fit on the Khajiit heads. The Humanoid races in Skyrim all use the same head mesh btw with different face gen data. obviously that's not the case in FFXIV which each race have their own unique head mesh. By "bump" if you mean the bump at the top-back of the hair then it's always been there. I think that the rabbit ears makes it more obvious to see than in say the Elezen like here.
https://i.ibb.co/K2DGLVz/Capture.png

The ponytail causes a huge forehead. Granted, I haven't used it before on other races so I have no idea how it looks on them, but on my character it looks so bad. https://imgur.com/a/WVQzQEB
She looks like she is starting to be bald.
12-04-2021, 10:50 PM
Strongfat900

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

The ponytail causes a huge forehead. Granted, I haven't used it before on other races so I have no idea how it looks on them, but on my character it looks so bad. https://imgur.com/a/WVQzQEB
She looks like she is starting to be bald.

I guess it depends on the face really. Mine isn't bad at all.
https://i.ibb.co/2Z1G2zG/FFx-MVZt-XIAEt-Ah-J.jpg

I mean, to be fair, all of the races seem to have big foreheads with the hairstyle as well like Lalafell and etc.
https://res.cloudinary.com/lmn/image...tyle-28909.jpg
https://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/lds/...20150116_2.jpg

I mean, hell, the adventurer hairstyle also gives them a large forehead as well.
https://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/t/c6...62d44b7b_1.png
12-04-2021, 10:51 PM
Strongfat900

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Originally Posted by Yencat

Everyone except Miqo'te has a massive awful conehead with that hairstyle. I'm glad it seems to fit better on Viera, I can explain away the slightly more noticeable bump on the back as back-combing in my mind. :p

Me too, rofl. The ears does give this feeling as well.
12-04-2021, 10:59 PM
Starshower

From what I understand male viera don't have limitations on adding hairstyles, indeed. However, they don't want to add all of them for males because it would be unfair to the females. So they are only adding to the males the same ones they fix for the females to be fair. But it would be possible to just patch all hairstyles for males, they just want parity and fairness. More hairstyles will probably come in future patches as they fix them.
12-04-2021, 11:09 PM
LaylaTsarra

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Originally Posted by Halivel

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...-04_134948.png https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...-04_134904.png

Thank you for the pics male and female. i was wondering if the males had the same ones. Wish the character showed all that were available without having to own them. Showing and being able to use should be two different things.
12-05-2021, 12:23 AM
BiddyBatnana

They could have included some male hairstyles to the viera female and vice versa.
12-05-2021, 01:26 AM
LuciaMirain

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Originally Posted by Strongfat900

I guess it depends on the face really. Mine isn't bad at all.
https://i.ibb.co/2Z1G2zG/FFx-MVZt-XIAEt-Ah-J.jpg

I mean, to be fair, all of the races seem to have big foreheads with the hairstyle as well like Lalafell and etc.
https://res.cloudinary.com/lmn/image...tyle-28909.jpg
https://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/lds/...20150116_2.jpg

I mean, hell, the adventurer hairstyle also gives them a large forehead as well.
https://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/t/c6...62d44b7b_1.png

I think the hairstyle on your bunny looks pretty bad, it looks fine on the hyur though.
12-05-2021, 01:27 AM
LuciaMirain

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Originally Posted by BiddyBatnana

They could have included some male hairstyles to the viera female and vice versa.

This, some of the male ones are really cute.
12-05-2021, 02:31 AM
HeyMcFly

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

The ponytail causes a huge forehead. Granted, I haven't used it before on other races so I have no idea how it looks on them, but on my character it looks so bad. https://imgur.com/a/WVQzQEB
She looks like she is starting to be bald.

It looks exactly like that on other races too
That hairstyle is terribly designed & a horrible choice
12-05-2021, 02:34 AM
HeyMcFly

I would like to see Y'sthola'd Moddish hair added to Viera as well as the other miqo'te variants (the ones with the gold & silver bands & the ends)
Those are the hairstyles I wear the most & would switch to Viera if they had access to cute hairstyles that exist- the ones added are not cute
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...o_to_viera.png
12-05-2021, 02:38 AM
Strongfat900

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

I think the hairstyle on your bunny looks pretty bad, it looks fine on the hyur though.

Like the camera angle.
12-05-2021, 02:41 AM
Strongfat900

Btw, did they fix the male viera posture?
12-05-2021, 02:43 AM
Roda

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Originally Posted by Strongfat900

Btw, did they fix the male viera posture?

yesish
It's not as pronounced, but they still lean back a bit. (they just dont roll their hips weird)
12-05-2021, 03:44 AM
Rokke

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Originally Posted by Strongfat900

Btw, did they fix the male viera posture?

The slouch is less exaggerated so gear doesn't turn inward around the stomach like it did in the benchmark
12-05-2021, 03:46 AM
Strongfat900

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Originally Posted by Rokke

The slouch is less exaggerated so gear doesn't turn inward around the stomach like it did in the benchmark

Oh, yeah. I don't mind the posture, but it shouldn't have created some kind of beer belly, esp wearing certain gear.
12-05-2021, 03:47 AM
Strongfat900

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Originally Posted by Roda

yesish
It's not as pronounced, but they still lean back a bit. (they just dont roll their hips weird)

Yeah, figured because the male Viera posture looked differently from the Benchmark. Glad they fixed that.
12-05-2021, 04:42 AM
juicybug

Why they won't hold a viera/hrothgar hairstyle design contest just for them makes me sad. another hairstyle contest in general so more artists can submit fresh ideas 6 years later would also be appreciated, but thats another topic.
12-05-2021, 04:42 AM
juicybug

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Originally Posted by Strongfat900

I guess it depends on the face really. Mine isn't bad at all.
https://i.ibb.co/2Z1G2zG/FFx-MVZt-XIAEt-Ah-J.jpg

I mean, to be fair, all of the races seem to have big foreheads with the hairstyle as well like Lalafell and etc.
https://res.cloudinary.com/lmn/image...tyle-28909.jpg
https://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/lds/...20150116_2.jpg

I mean, hell, the adventurer hairstyle also gives them a large forehead as well.
https://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/t/c6...62d44b7b_1.png

no, its pretty bad. that hairstyle in general is just ugly all ways around.
12-05-2021, 07:44 AM
Jettinson

I tried the new hairstyle, it has potential but compared to the old vieras ones.. not much
It does not help they added very few hairstyles, I was curious to see how the viera would look with style such gyr abanian

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