you guys went overboard with this new relic

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Originally Posted by zosia

what would I be mad about exactly?

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life? the world? who knows. maybe you wake up, log on the forums and stir the pot a bit to get your day going. but usually when you post it leaves little to a constructive conversation and more to just be in disagreement with people for the sake of being on the opposing side of views to net responses so as to have someone to talk to. but who knows, the world is full of mystery

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Originally Posted by Brill_

5. Roulette tome bonus are only earned on a level 60 job. Now I have to decide if I want to use my leveling roulette to level or waste on a 60 job just to get tomes. It'd be nice to get the tome bonus on a non-60 job if the relic quest is open in your quest log.

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For Leveling roulette specifically, it's usually not worth it to do it on a level 60 job. It gives 100 law tomestones, which is the same amount you get for running Fractal Continuum, but most of the leveling dungeons won't be done as fast as Fractal could be. Sometimes you get lucky and draw like, Ifrit NM, though. High Level and Trials, on the other hand, face this conundrum and it bothers me a bit.

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Originally Posted by Kyuuen

Differing motivations. Differing experiences. Your motivations =/= My motivations. My Experience =/= Anyone else experience.

Just because something comes easy to you does not mean it will be so for someone else, especially considering each servers economies are fairly different.

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I agree, but you're just as guilty as I am. You want to conform the game to your expectations. Your expectations that the relic should not require crafting are not shared with everyone.

It's a legendary arm of lore, it should be a multifaceted process involving all the components of the game from crafting and fates to trials, raids, and dungeons. Just because you don't like one of those components means that it should be excluded from the process?

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Originally Posted by zosia

I agree, but you're just as guilty as I am. YOu want to conform the game to your expectations. Your expectations that the relic should not require crafting are not shared with everyone.

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But if you didn't have any crafting jobs and your relic would cost you 30 mil on your server you would have no issues paying that, "go start farming" would be your motto, right?

and none of your freinds are crafters or play anymore. Should be no problem.

Again, I don't think tying crafters into this is a problem in itself. Crafting is a big part of the game and crafters should be useful for something.
The amount needed / difficulty of the recipe might be a bit over the top and driving prices up, but to be honest: we need to let time pass to allow a settling of prices.

OFC they're going to be insanely expensive in week 1.

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

But if you didn't have any crafting jobs and your relic would cost you 30 mil on your server you would have no issues paying that, "go start farming" would be your motto, right?

and none of your freinds are crafters or play anymore. Should be no problem.

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Yup, that's what I would do if I was in their position. Farm gil. But don't you think that situation is a bit contrived? Should game development be geared to take into account every possible scenario that could occur? Even in that situation you listed, I would recommend that person pick up a gathering profession and start to farm items to sell. With the cost of some mats, dawnborn/furymint/rocksalts, a person could easily produce 30 mil within a month of casual gameplay.

Also, 30 mil? Please, these mats are depreciating faster than the titanic sunk.

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Originally Posted by zosia

I agree, but you're just as guilty as I am. You want to conform the game to your expectations. Your expectations that the relic should not require crafting are not shared with everyone.

It's a legendary arm of lore, it should be a multifaceted process involving all the components of the game from crafting and fates to trials, raids, and dungeons. Just because you don't like one of those components means that it should be excluded from the process?

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Just as your expectations that the relic should be involved with crafting, are not shared by everyone. So we're at a standstill.

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Originally Posted by Kyuuen

Just as your expectations that the relic should be involved with crafting, are not shared by everyone. So we're at a standstill.

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Except, my PoV is already in game. So, yeah, I am happy with this standstill.

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Originally Posted by zosia

Yup, that's what I would do if I was in their position. Farm gil. But don't you think that situation is a bit contrived? Should game development be geared to take into account every possible scenario that could occur? Even in that situation you listed, I would recommend that person pick up a gathering profession and start to farm items to sell. With the cost of some mats, dawnborn/furymint/rocksalts, a person could easily produce 30 mil within a month of casual gameplay.

Also, 30 mil? Please, these mats are depreciating faster than the titanic sunk.

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lol? "easily" produce 30 mil with casual gameplay..i don't know what world you are living in but i would love to go there, because its all sunshines and rainbows. That world were different servers with different economies don't exist as well.

But to quote someone on these forums, Those who benefit from a system rarely sees it's flaws.

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Originally Posted by Kyuuen

Must be nice to be on a server where it costs that little.

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What?! You're on balmung, same server as me, the items are all less than 200k, we have one of the cheapest prices for these items. Now glamour is whole 'nother story.