Tank dps harrasment

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

And yet the culmination of all of this back and forth is still the pro-tank DPS side of the 'debate' literally doing the thing that pages ago we largely argued did not occur - dismissing someone based purely on their fflogs.

I have argued for parsers, for healer DPS, for a general sense of responsibility that every member of every party should have about any content they run. People have called me an elitist, they've told me to 'get off my high horse' and 'casual players matter too!' literally since I joined this forum.

I have been accused of being the kind of person who would take someone's fflogs and use it to justify public disrespect despite never doing anything like that. I argued back that no one was really that low and that my 'opponents' were exagerating their claims for how scummy the playerbase could be about using these tools to enforce or support their standards.

Now I have to go and eat my words because I guess I'm wrong, this sort of bs does happen. Super disappointed right now, also kind of ashamed.

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I think mostly everyone can largely agree that randomly bringing up someone's FFLogs is uncalled for unless it was brought to attention prior (by the person themselves). Someone's opinion shouldn't be made lesser just because "oh I happened to look at your logs," especially when that person did not claim to be the best at their class and/or the game, or mention their logs at all. Even if FFlogs was somehow officially supported, I just feel like it's a weak and/or an argument that's a bit too personal, if not a bit underhanded. When comparing it to one's own logs, it just sounds like flat out bragging or attempts to undermine someone else. I have already said in this thread in the past that FFlogs is mostly just used as something to inflate egos, or more appropriately, a ****-measuring tool. So of course it happens, just like it happens with parsers. It just doesn't happen in volume.

I was mostly defending that while they were rude in their stance, Kaldea did not say the post was meaningless.

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Originally Posted by Oscura

I was mostly defending that while they were rude in their stance, Kaldea did not say the post was meaningless.

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While I agree some people do use FFLogs as e-peen status, (which I do with friends for fun) which is only between me and them and not the randoms we run with. I think while this person was blunt and mentioned someones log, I don't think the person didn't post it just to say ''hey look at me I'm better''.
There are serval reasons why someones log is bad; group comp, uptime as melee (which is a tanks job as well, to keep the boss to melee as much as possible) ilvl etc. While that been said, there is only so much you can output and do while having all of that, the real thing you need is skill. There are PLENTY of people here, that really talks like they KNOW how to play. I'm not going on a witch hunt on their logs, I don't need to because I already disagree with their statements and others to do. The worse part is many new players or current ones often think what they say is correct. I was in a roulette yesterday, where a healer used medica 2 when there was absoluttely no aoe. I would think, hey they did it to have an extra regen on tank, so they could dps. Did they? Nope. I didn't even ask them to, not my business if they wanted or felt comfy enough to do so. However, I asked politely why medica 2 was used and the group said, it's because it's good healing...While I agree it does give you good heals, it's bad to spam it when there is no aoe around. Just because you are a healer, doesn't mean your job is to spam heal. You have to controll your spells and output offensive spells too.

To make it short, some people here did mention their own logs, some doesn't, and those who don't, nobody should mention their logs, however if someone talks like they know how to play, someone will eventually look at their logs and compare to lets say their own, just to state what the other person is doing wrong or not. As much as it sounds like ''e-peen'', some people DO talk too much and can't even backup why it's good.

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Originally Posted by KaldeaSahaline

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You did almost 1/3 the DPS of your co-tank in O1S today. I did almost 30% MORE DPS than you do now when I was ilvl 298 doing Lakshmi EX. I'd be curious what ilvl you are.
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I was curious and had to look, but he died 1 time as well, so you have to count that too.

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Originally Posted by Elspath

Sounds like the same group of people that expected Healers to DPS because.... of reasons?

If the dungeon is finished with no one dying and you never loose hate then a tank has done theyre job, to hell with those thinking anything. Especially dpsers who will never tank because they don't get theyre numbers high -laughs-

I am a full time Main tank and Healer. I will block anyone that starts complaining saying im not doing enough dps on either. They can go find another group and go back waiting in there long ass Queue

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Aside from the spelling mistakes which I fixed I want to put this post in my signature, as a fellow tank main, lol. the primary job of a tank is tanking. DPS is a bonus. Yes even in raids.

Also one thing I noticed with FF logs is unless you've done TONS and TONS of ex primals and savage raids your numbers are going to be irrelevant and useless as they seem to have to be manually uploaded by people, which means the sample size will be too small for usage.

I wish they would just encrypt the data so FFLOGS would no longer work or any other parser for that matter. There being misused to the detriment of the community and need to go away. If the boss is dead, we are not and we got the encounter done, then that is all that matters. I could care less about your whatever parse...

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Originally Posted by Hyperia

I wish they would just encrypt the data so FFLOGS would no longer work or any other parser for that matter. There being misused to the detriment of the community and need to go away. If the boss is dead, we are not and we got the encounter done, then that is all that matters. I could care less about your whatever parse...

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Literally the only people that use parsers to harass are the “tryhards”. Real Savage raiders don’t care about dungeon parses. A parser is an invaluable tool that I have used to help me personally grow, as well as help other groups, including my old static, progress through harder content by using the in-depth analysis that FFLogs provides. Don’t blame the tool just because a few twats decide to misuse it; it is incredibly invaluable to personal and group progression.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Literally the only people that use parsers to harass are the “tryhards”. Real Savage raiders don’t care about dungeon parses. A parser is an invaluable tool that I have used to help me personally grow, as well as help other groups, including my old static, progress through harder content by using the in-depth analysis that FFLogs provides. Don’t blame the tool just because a few twats decide to misuse it; it is incredibly invaluable to personal and group progression.

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Yeah a parser is fine and even desired by many people as a personal improvement tool, but that's about the limit for how it should be used.

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Originally Posted by Hyperia

I wish they would just encrypt the data so FFLOGS would no longer work or any other parser for that matter. There being misused to the detriment of the community and need to go away. If the boss is dead, we are not and we got the encounter done, then that is all that matters. I could care less about your whatever parse...

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So you do care?

And I couldn't care less about your opinion that a tool should be disallowed because it's possible to misuse it.

Just thinking... if someone other uploads my data on fflogs without my consent, isn't he violating my privacy?

I can upload my data, but other's names must be anonymous and not taken in logs. Thus, fflogs must get from the log only data from characters that have fflogs account and discard (or set anonymous) everything else.

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

Just thinking... if someone other uploads my data on fflogs without my consent, isn't he violating my privacy?

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Not because they're uploading them from public battle logs having been in the same party with you. It's like uploading a screenshot from your party chat.

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

Just thinking... if someone other uploads my data on fflogs without my consent, isn't he violating my privacy?

I can upload my data, but other's names must be anonymous and not taken in logs. Thus, fflogs must get from the log only data from characters that have fflogs account and discard (or set anonymous) everything else.

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No? It's publicly available information even without parsers and FFLogs. Anyone in your groups or even remotely close to you in the game cans see the data that's aggregated by parsers and uploaded to FFLogs.