Viera and Hrothgar Megathread

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Originally Posted by BunnyChain

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6lErcEV...jpg&name=large

oh look what I found on twitter for "viera hats"... I wonder how it was done, must have been magic since Yoshi-P told us it's not possible... :rolleyes:

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Apparently, according to the modders that did this, it didn't even take long for them to do it, a couple of hours. And as someone who has checked it out, it actually looks completely fine ingame. Sure, some hats look really bad, but alot of them look absolutely ok for playthrough. I think they don´t want to release it because of quality (since the earhairs clip through since there are no natural holes in the hats for the ears).

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Originally Posted by Tsumdere

I compared male Viera Face 1/Face 4 to Disney princes with their smooth skin, large eyes, big noses, and strong jaws. Then got told that Disney princes were feminine, which was the point that I really just gave up. I don't know how anyone can look at Beast, Naveen, Flynn, or Eric and think... yes... looks like a woman.

Is it really just the eyelashes throwing people through a loop or what?


But yeah the facial hair sucks and looks like Jafar. SE isn't really known for good facial hair.

Disney on the brain.

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disney princes are clearly not feminine. all disney princes have more masculine feautures, like stronger jaws/noses. disney princes are designed with western beauty standards in mind - they don’t look androgynous like male viera do. i agree face 1 especially might count as a disney prince (because of the stronger feautures - and that‘s the face i‘m personally going for)

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male viera draw much more from asian features (beauty standards), softer features/jaws, no beard (good full beards would be hard to pull off on male viera) - a more androgyous look in general
they remind me more of:

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https://otakukart.com/wp-content/upl...1/04/suho.jpeg

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i love how the males turned out and it‘s different from what we‘ve seen so far. let‘s hope for a improved cc in the futures, for people that wanted something different \o/
especially something along the lines of this would be nice, the artwork is amazing!

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Originally Posted by VirusOnline

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Originally Posted by Fukuro

disney princes are clearly not feminine. all disney princes have more masculine feautures, like stronger jaws/noses. disney princes are designed with western beauty standards in mind - they don’t look androgynous like male viera do. i agree face 1 especially might count as a disney prince (because of the stronger feautures - and that‘s the face i‘m personally going for)



male viera draw much more from asian features (beauty standards), softer features/jaws, no beard (good full beards would be hard to pull off on male viera) - a more androgyous look in general
they remind me more of:


i love how the males turned out and it‘s different from what we‘ve seen so far. let‘s hope for a improved cc in the futures, for people that wanted something different \o/
especially something along the lines of this would be nice, the artwork is amazing!

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It was a response to face four. Check face four and the first disneyprince. They look the same.

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

It was a response to face four. Check face four and the first disneyprince. They look the same.

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they are still more andro and delicate looking. (softer features - following asian beauty standards) compared to the pictures of the princes i‘ve posted before.
this is my rava face 4 i created some days ago, i even used the stronger jaw.
https://i.imgur.com/CZd6Nsq.png

don‘t get me wrong - i absolutely love them! (future viera main here) but comparing them to disney princes, who were created with western beauty standards in mind doesn‘t add up (at least in my opinion - such things are often subjectiv as we know! ;) )

Yeah, I don't think male viera look like disney princes, nor do I think they qualify as "pretty". Face 4 in particular has these bulging eyes, and the face looks off in general to me. Face 1 is permanently mad, and needs bangs to soften it's features, face 2 is too boyish, too round, and looks too small in comparison to body size, and face 3 is just ripped out of an anime. They need stronger jaws, more face definition, and less (none at all) permanent mascara to look more masculine. I get some people really like them, but the entire gender is effectively just different brands of the same flavor. It pains me to say it, but male miqo'te actually look better to me, and have a wider variety of face options, in my opinion. It's too bad SE didn't make them closer to miqo'te, in face range.

So my hubby had a go at the character creator. I was really impressed with the character he came up with. In general, I like the male vieras but still feel with female vieras they look more like an angsty teenage son than they do as a counterpart to the amazonian warrior princess. However, his character totally read to me as mature. I think it's because he looks tired like we do lol.

https://i.imgur.com/ASKZpWv.png

https://i.imgur.com/CeIbRBO.png

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Originally Posted by LittleArrow

So my hubby had a go at the character creator. I was really impressed with the character he came up with. In general, I like the male vieras but still feel with female vieras they look more like an angsty teenage son than they do as a counterpart to the amazonian warrior princess. However, his character totally read to me as mature. I think it's because he looks tired like we do lol.

https://i.imgur.com/ASKZpWv.png

https://i.imgur.com/CeIbRBO.png

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he did a very good job on that!

I don't know, guys. They look pretty Disney Prince to me. Not any in particular but if you slapped a male Viera in front of me and said this was from Frozen 6 I'd believe you.

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Originally Posted by VirusOnline

Your post really got me thinking. I drew this for better lack of words of what I wanted, facial hair wise and masculinity wise.
No matter how I drew it, it's too true that a slightly more masculine face of face 4 is needed. I like male viera. But we all have the perfect scenario of our character.

https://i.imgur.com/mZxeL3I.png

Mind you, this isn't a complaint, perhaps a mixture of a request and a wish lol. The state of the faces now make it near impossible for facial hair to be believable.

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That's amazing art and it really shows what i was trying to say !

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Originally Posted by LisSquid

I don't know, guys. They look pretty Disney Prince to me. Not any in particular but if you slapped a male Viera in front of me and said this was from Frozen 6 I'd believe you.

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I see the asian beauty standards with the facial expression of a disney prince but nothing more. The designs of disney and FFXIV are very different outside of that.

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Originally Posted by Juzjuzz

I see the asian beauty standards with the facial expression of a disney prince but nothing more. The designs of disney and FFXIV are very different outside of that.

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Yeah, definitely not the style but the vibe for me.

I'm still waiting for a Men in Tights glam.

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Originally Posted by Fukuro

they are still more andro and delicate looking. (softer features - following asian beauty standards) compared to the pictures of the princes i‘ve posted before.
this is my rava face 4 i created some days ago, i even used the stronger jaw.
https://i.imgur.com/CZd6Nsq.png

don‘t get me wrong - i absolutely love them! (future viera main here) but comparing them to disney princes, who were created with western beauty standards in mind doesn‘t add up (at least in my opinion - such things are often subjectiv as we know! ;) )

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Guess we will have to agree to disagree. The pictures I have seen of face four instantly take me to the human version of the beast and others. I think I have seen one single male viera that I thought looked more female than male according to western beauty standards. The rest look like young men to me. I hope you enjoy your bunny :)

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

The pictures I have seen of face four instantly take me to the human version of the beast and others. I think I have seen one single male viera that I thought looked more female than male according to western beauty standards.

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Prince Naveen is best prince. Change my mind.
TBH I'm 100% biased. I despise the basic Disney princes. The Princess and the Frog is top tier Disney movie, princess, swamp, prince, music, and all.

Face 4 can be quite feminine as well. My face 4 viera end up being quite fem boy zenos.
If I'm honest, male viera are almost how I expected female viera to look like, of course a touch more feminine.

These are purely my personal thoughts. Please no attac. Except for disney princes. Naveen I protecc.

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Originally Posted by VirusOnline

Prince Naveen is best prince. Change my mind.
TBH I'm 100% biased. I despise the basic Disney princes. The Princess and the Frog is top tier Disney movie, princess, swamp, prince, music, and all.

Face 4 can be quite feminine as well. My face 4 viera end up being quite fem boy zenos.
If I'm honest, male viera are almost how I expected female viera to look like, of course a touch more feminine.

These are purely my personal thoughts. Please no attac. Except for disney princes. Naveen I protecc.

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I honestly dont care for disney characters :P I just dont get how people say male vieras are more female than female viera or that they look like girls. It is strange to me that they view their faces like females when to me they are quite clearly male. Especially since I play female viera and I find female viera to be very feminine. But it is what it is and I don't really care enought to keep on discussing it more, really.

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

I honestly dont care for disney characters :P I just dont get how people say male vieras are more female than female viera or that they look like girls. It is strange to me that they view their faces like females when to me they are quite clearly male. Especially since I play female viera and I find female viera to be very feminine. But it is what it is and I don't really care enought to keep on discussing it more, really.

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The disney part was more generally directed. I am just being a lazy poster atm.
Ah well on your last post of this topic, you did bring up a good point. Female viera are 150% feminine. It's near impossible to mistake female viera for male.
Male viera ? Sure, you can tell he's male. But he's not 150% masculine. Sometimes, I even have to double take ! That's where the disconnect comes in for me.

But I won't bother you anymore.

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

I hope you enjoy your bunny :)

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thank you, the waiting for november is killing me
https://s.keepmeme.com/files/en_post...63ce49c216.jpg

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Originally Posted by Fukuro

thank you, the waiting for november is killing me
https://s.keepmeme.com/files/en_post...63ce49c216.jpg

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Same, my alt is going male viera so I am excited about it. I am stuck on the options on my main femviera: should I go max height or go a bit shorter since my husband will probably go max height male viera? Part of me like the idea of being taller than him, but he has been male miqote now for a while and I feel like a giant next to him (IRL I am alot shorter than him lol). I am changing her skincolour anyways (a bit darker than now) so was thinking about height at the same time.

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

I honestly dont care for disney characters :P I just dont get how people say male vieras are more female than female viera or that they look like girls. It is strange to me that they view their faces like females when to me they are quite clearly male. Especially since I play female viera and I find female viera to be very feminine. But it is what it is and I don't really care enought to keep on discussing it more, really.

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I think it's because they're not like Hugh Jackman or Henry Cavill with stubble/ burly-ness type masculine.
It's more anime boy than 'manly' BUT I love the male Viera & the effort that was put into them-- it makes me more hopeful for female Hrothgar (and hopefully the SE design team will update the older races too)
I get it- Male Viera is not super "beast" looking or goes anywhere near a rugged looking beast race that people seem to have wanted for male Viera?
there's not much age variation among them- they all look in their early years basically. There isn't a "mature" face like male miqo'te have

BUT You don't need a big beard to look masculine
The jawlines in FFXIV are severely lacking, very thin & can come off more feminine in features or even Alien headed--- but just play around with the chin/ jaw because there is always a "broad" option that adds a certain detail to the character I think many players don't explore (much like people only ever choosing super pale characters with when there are so many options & combinations)

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Originally Posted by VirusOnline

The disney part was more generally directed. I am just being a lazy poster atm.
Ah well on your last post of this topic, you did bring up a good point. Female viera are 150% feminine. It's near impossible to mistake female viera for male.
Male viera ? Sure, you can tell he's male. But he's not 150% masculine. Sometimes, I even have to double take ! That's where the disconnect comes in for me.

But I won't bother you anymore.

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Isn't really a bother, just more a discussion I don't really see going anywhere. But yes. I think it might have to do with what we compare with and also with the concept of being masculine vs being a male. So I guess we agree, mostly. Except the viewing the body of male viera - they are very obviously male.

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Originally Posted by HeyMcFly

there's not much age variation among them- they all look in their early years basically. There isn't a "mature" face like male miqo'te have

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Which makes sense, given that Viera stop aging at around age of 20 according to Matsuno. Miqo'te mature face is closer to 40s-50s, and is usually used on NPCs of this age or slightly younger. A'aba Tia (2.0 Scion) was 35; X'rhun Tia (Red Mage story) is 42; H'raha Tia (Monk story) is/was 56. This indicates that SE treats Miqo'te face 2 as an option for characters that are at least well in their 30s or noticeably older, so having this type option simply wouldn't line up with a race that stops aging at an age that just reaches adulthood.

Not to say that having a more mature face would hurt (it wouldn't), but I can see why they didn't include it.

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

Same, my alt is going male viera so I am excited about it. I am stuck on the options on my main femviera: should I go max height or go a bit shorter since my husband will probably go max height male viera? Part of me like the idea of being taller than him, but he has been male miqote now for a while and I feel like a giant next to him (IRL I am alot shorter than him lol). I am changing her skincolour anyways (a bit darker than now) so was thinking about height at the same time.

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if you like your female viera tall, you should go for max height! the difference in height is not that apparent anyways - otherwise to be shorter than him you must pull the height below 50%. i kind of find it cute you guys are the reverse height of the real world. since canonically in xiv the males are shorter - your bf should even go min height imo to make the reversal worth it xD

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Originally Posted by Fukuro

if you like your female viera tall, you should go for max height! the difference in height is not that apparent anyways - otherwise to be shorter than him you must pull the height below 50%. i kind of find it cute you guys are the reverse height of the real world. since canonically in xiv the males are shorter - your bf should even go min height imo to make the reversal worth it xD

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He already chose max height in the benchmark. I think I might go max height, I am almost there already. Isnt it like 6 cm in difference or something when they are both maxed?

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

He already chose max height in the benchmark. I think I might go max height, I am almost there already. Isnt it like 6 cm in difference or something when they are both maxed?

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yeah i think it‘s 5cm and it‘s not that visible, or is it?
bringing the meme back :D
https://i.imgur.com/1gi0tg8.jpg

jokes aside, you can go max for both genders in the benchmark and compare them side by side. i‘m not sure yet if i‘ll go 180cm (my irl height) or just go max height to tower over hyurs and miqo‘tes xD

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Originally Posted by juicybug

Yes, that's most likely - that and possibly paid ones and *fingers crossed* more racially unique ones for them in the future! Hopefully no vanilla ones.

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I hope both genders and not only female Vieras...
more unique ones are also good :)

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Originally Posted by juicybug

Yes, that's most likely - that and possibly paid ones and *fingers crossed* more racially unique ones for them in the future! Hopefully no vanilla ones.

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Why hopefully no vanilla ones? If they can easily get them to work I don't see why it'd be bad to unlock them, the more options the better.

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Originally Posted by BunnyChain

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6lErcEV...jpg&name=large

oh look what I found on twitter for "viera hats"... I wonder how it was done, must have been magic since Yoshi-P told us it's not possible... :rolleyes:

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Looks fantastic AND it was scaled appropriately.....cant say the same for other races (like roes) where the hats are too big even for them xD

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Originally Posted by Akimori

Looks fantastic AND it was scaled appropriately.....cant say the same for other races (like roes) where the hats are too big even for them xD

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There are two factors there though: modding and hairstyle choice.

Headgear only the game has to be sized to fit over any hairstyle, so it sits where it would need to meet with the widest fluffiest hairstyles, and short or tied-up styles are left with it sitting oddly loose as a result.

The character in the picture is using the sort of hairstyle that would fill the hat in any case, and additionally could be modifying it to fit perfectly.

It's just not the same situation as the one-size-for-all structure of the unmodded game.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

There are two factors there though: modding and hairstyle choice.

Headgear only the game has to be sized to fit over any hairstyle, so it sits where it would need to meet with the widest fluffiest hairstyles, and short or tied-up styles are left with it sitting oddly loose as a result.

The character in the picture is using the sort of hairstyle that would fill the hat in any case, and additionally could be modifying it to fit perfectly.

It's just not the same situation as the one-size-for-all structure of the unmodded game.

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It is hair that conforms to the hats, not the other way around.

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Originally Posted by Fukuro

yeah i think it‘s 5cm and it‘s not that visible, or is it?
bringing the meme back :D
https://i.imgur.com/1gi0tg8.jpg

jokes aside, you can go max for both genders in the benchmark and compare them side by side. i‘m not sure yet if i‘ll go 180cm (my irl height) or just go max height to tower over hyurs and miqo‘tes xD

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To be fair I have a friend that is 5'11 and that is how they feel around people 6" like come on man just one more inch but it is a massive cliff.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

There are two factors there though: modding and hairstyle choice.

Headgear only the game has to be sized to fit over any hairstyle, so it sits where it would need to meet with the widest fluffiest hairstyles, and short or tied-up styles are left with it sitting oddly loose as a result.

The character in the picture is using the sort of hairstyle that would fill the hat in any case, and additionally could be modifying it to fit perfectly.

It's just not the same situation as the one-size-for-all structure of the unmodded game.

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I'm not saying you're wrong because it's likely how it goes, but that doesn't really justify how that hat actually looks good on races like Miqo, Lalas or Midlanders, but for Roes it feels they just went *click, enlarge, done* without any control check whatsoever. Big races may not be popular by demand, but half assing it when it comes to them only adds insult to injury.

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Originally Posted by HollowedDoll

It is hair that conforms to the hats, not the other way around.

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I don't think so. Other than having a "lower half only" model that it switches to when wearing hats, I've never seen hair adjust shape to fit hats.

I will test it next time I'm in the game, but for now I doubt it.

I know I've tried on things like the baseball cap in the past and seen that it fits badly on my Miqo'te who has a high ponytail hairstyle.

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Originally Posted by Fukuro

bringing the meme back :D
https://i.imgur.com/1gi0tg8.jpg

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Me, standing 6'4":

http://memes.ucoz.com/_nw/18/14234081.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/DyVjJOK.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/MEN5B5n.jpg

I made these two, well actually I’ve made several, but I’m deciding between these two as the one I want.

I wish they would release some pics of what is to come. I really want the paid hairstyles! Waiting for endwalker is becoming a pain :/

o3o bump it up

It definitely would've been nice if they'd at least showed some concept art (assuming there's any) of female Hrothgar... but after 6 years of people clamoring for the OG Au Ra designs (can you blame them..), and most recently people disappointed that male Viera don't look like (some of) their HW concept art, I suspect they'd rather not gamble with expectations like that again

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Originally Posted by Tsiron

people disappointed that male Viera don't look like (some of) their HW concept art, I suspect they'd rather not gamble with expectations like that again

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But they look just like the concept art.
I think people have gotten to used to some of the Fanart that painted this perfect picture of how they wanted Male Viera to look, and forgot the original concept art they were looking at.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

But they look just like the concept art.
I think people have gotten to used to some of the Fanart that painted this perfect picture of how they wanted Male Viera to look, and forgot the original concept art they were looking at.

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I assume they mean this concept art, specifically. They look taller, more conventionally "manly", broader shoulders and etc. in comparison to the ones we're getting
https://i.imgur.com/KOYXK46.jpeg

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

I wish they would release some pics of what is to come. I really want the paid hairstyles! Waiting for endwalker is becoming a pain :/

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Yeah we only got to see the one example, I'd also love to see what else we can expect.

As well as what's in store for Hrothgar now they're 'changing the specifications'.

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Originally Posted by Tsiron

I assume they mean this concept art, specifically. They look taller, more conventionally "manly", broader shoulders and etc. in comparison to the ones we're getting
https://i.imgur.com/KOYXK46.jpeg

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Honestly...they look about the same of what we got. Cant say they look any taller, that design in game could still translate to the exact height they are now. They still have soft youthful faces just like what we are getting...yeah no, I think they look exactly as intended/drafted YEARS ago. So I remain convinced honestly, that people just kinda imagined something that wasn't there, and just had their own ideas. I fall into that later part cause...even though I wasn't really Team Male Viera, even I had my own idea of how they should have looked, and now that the concept art is coming back up....yeah I can admit my imagination flew higher then the early drafted concept.

The bottom Left looks abit more feminine, but it might be the attire.
And Bottom right they were just obviously having fun, gotta do that once in a while when you are drafting designs, it could spark other ideas.

I wan to point out as well that there's nothing in that concept collage to show any sort of definite height. In fact, the bottom row kind of implies they were going to be slightly shorter all along.

Just glad m viera really did capture the old concept feel, unlike female au ra.


But en ee weigh, I just want to know how many hairstyles will be unlocked for viera in EW. We saw a female wearing the ponytails style in the AF armor display, so that one is up. Will male viera roll out with the same liberties? Is it only going to be select styles? Questions that haunt me in my bubble bath.