Post Your Healing Horror Stories.

I was witness to one recently. I wasn't the healer myself, but I'm sure the SCH that had started Amdapor Keep (Normal Mode) with low item level gear was going "WTF!?" to the Tank as much as I was. Sure, I'm an overgeared DPS in the party (the other was a SMN with low item level gear too), but that doesn't mean take off and pull massive mobs of enemies when two of the members are low on item level, especially the healer! The Tank should be glad it was Amdapor Keep NM, as I was amazed at how the SCH was (barely) managing to keep the Tank alive long enough for me to wipe the floor with the trash mobs.

Surprisingly, everything went smooth up until the final boss. USUALLY when I end up at this spot just before the final boss where the two big armored enemies are, the parties I work with just make it a point to kill them quick if any member of the party is spotted. Instead though? The Tank just activates sprint and takes off past them with no intention of aggroing them. Usually, this is fine... if no one is spotted that is. The healer ends up getting spotted as soon as the Tank just zooms off on us as we try to keep up. The second one spots the Tank anyway. Normally, at this point any other party I worked with would just kill them quick for spotting us...

... instead, the Tank just keeps running, face-aggros the boss, and then proceeds to just hit the boss while the first of the two adds continues to wail on and chase the healer. Noticing this, I promptly decide to just start killing the two adds (starting by Stun Jumping the add chasing the healer so that the Healer actually has some breathing space). The Tank FINALLY starts aggroing the adds after a bit into the fight. (Earlier before this point, the healer had already started spamming heals on himself and the Tank, and eventually me) Things end poorly as quickly as I thought it would and we wipe. The very first thing that pops up into the chat menu upon the situation becoming even more of a mess than it already was?

"Why'd you hit it? I was going to reset them."

... excuse me Tank? THAT was your plan? Really? You ignore the plea of the healer being attacked, run all the way to the other side of the room while face aggroing the boss, and then say you intended to "reset the adds?"

No. It doesn't work that way. If you're intention was to simply reset the adds, what you SHOULD have done was:

A: Stop before aggroing the boss and let yourself die with no one helping you.
B: FREAKING TELL US VIA PARTY CHAT THAT WAS WHAT YOU INTENDED!
C: Alternatively, stop at the dividing line between the boss room and the rest of the dungeon and let someone else aggro the boss towards you.

Seriously, why the hell do we even have a party chat screen if you aren't even going to use it? Freaking hell... Besides which, it went to hell anyway the moment the healer got spotted, making the plan a failure to begin with. No communication, executed very poorly, and failure to realize the healer was in trouble, and thus automatically blames me for trying to correct the issue.

I hate these kind of Tanks. I seriously do. Commend went straight to the healer instead for that run.

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Originally Posted by Elysaine

We have asked repeatedly to the tank to switch to Shield Oath. Now we get an answer "Nah, don't need it Braw. We managed fine so far!!" So I replied with yeah we managed with me Cure 2 spamming your behind. Ninja threatens to kick the tank if he doesn't change stance. Tank goes lol, lol, lol. Pulls next group and leaves halfway through. Which has us wiping...

We get a new tank. This time one who does use Shield Oath and with tank nr. 2 it was smooth sailing till the end.

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Reminds me of this:
http://i58.tinypic.com/mk2o4.jpg

And wow...

I don't play tank so I don't even pretend to check if the Tank doing something very wrong. But I have noticed there are tanks that can last more than 10 seconds, and then there are tanks that won't even last 3 seconds... and lose HP faster than can be healed.

While waiting for Maintenance to be done I'm just reading this and remember a time where I was a WHM (now a SCH) and... im assuming it was Vigil HM since the tank was such a jerk, and I mean A JERK!
I was rouletting with a fellow FC member and it was so difficult for me to keep up the tanks health. So we pretty much wiped on the first big pull of the dungeon. Can't remember if he used CDs at all since this was back at when ST loot was unlocked for a month or so.
Somehow we managed to get through to the last boss. i figure why not look at his Gear.... to my horror it was soooo terrible gear. I recall one piece of armour from ST and the rest were all ilvl 60 or lvl 50 job stuff. I mentioned this to the English tank. "Nup."
So we wiped two or three times, kept blaming me.
when we finally finish the last boss I said to the tank (It WAR, I remembered!) something along the lines of doing ST. the reply was astonishing;
"Nup. Bunch of idiots who don't know what they're doing"
- " It's worse if you have such terrible gear that the healer is having trouble doing the job"
"Use Cooldowns"
- "I have been"
"Cure II"
- "Durr"
Arguments continues until FC member left and suggested I did the same, no commendation I cried.

Mine wasn't really a horror-story moment, more of a facepalm/WTH?! moment.

Zoned into Snowcloak for the first time on my healer; compared to the Ironwork pieces the rest of group was wearing, the crafted/ST pieces kinda stood out a bit and the tank noticed as such.

"New healer, huh?"

I agreed, thinking he was going to show mercy...right? NOPE! Instead, decides to zip down and chain pull all the mobs down the first hallway. We wipe before we even get a yalm towards the first boss. -.-

Getting nerd raged at from the other healer because I kept eating orbs on phase 1 of ramuh



Hard mode :|

He blamed me for the multiple wipes to his ultimate aoe. I explained multiple times that orbs dictated how much dmg ramuh did and the aoe wipe was due to adds not being dead. Got called a lair and various names SE may not like me posting here, he got kicked and I solo healed until last phase when another healer joined. Ah the joys of DF....

FYI Ramuh's thunder is not buffed by orbs in HM, it's only in EX mode.

It's actually better to just leave all the orbs alone so that you have a massive amount of orbs to utilize in the Rolling Thunder phase.

i got whined at for dpsing in dzemael darkhold and the tank left so i solo'd the first boss and we cleared most of the dungeon without a tank

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Originally Posted by DreamWeaver

FYI Ramuh's thunder is not buffed by orbs in HM, it's only in EX mode.

It's actually better to just leave all the orbs alone so that you have a massive amount of orbs to utilize in the Rolling Thunder phase.

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Oh, various guides I've watched and read says it is. Even with me and a couple of others taking orbs we had no issues during rolling thunder.

What the hell happened with the forum avatar??

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Originally Posted by Theref

What the hell happened with the forum avatar??

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It is an April Fools joke by SE it will change back eventually

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Originally Posted by Ignnis

Oh, various guides I've watched and read says it is. Even with me and a couple of others taking orbs we had no issues during rolling thunder.

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Those guides are wrong, and it is possible to not have any issues during rolling thunder by eating the orbs early, it just makes it easier to save them.

Ran Aurum Vale, the tank is not overgeared, and not synced, new tank. 1 dps synced (dragoon), 1 not synced (monk). So I had to sleep the extra mobs to reduce the tank's pain. This dragon keeps, "Ring of Thorns"-ing the sleeping extra mobs.... I said dont attack the sleeping mobs, yet still attacking. Thanks to this, tank died party wiped several times during the trash mob phase. 1st boss, 1 wipe; 2nd boss, 2 wipe; 3rd boss, 2 wipe.
Last boss, when the boss sprouting new morbol fruits, these dps ignored the adds. I tried to Holy these, not fast enough, the fruit hatched to morbol seedlings, killed the tank because of the Germ stack, party wipe. Second try, same, DPS ignored the adds, and just crunch the boss. Wiped.
Then he posted on party chat that we're doing it wrong, then 2dps leave....

2dps joining in, kill the adds before it hatched, and killed the last boss swiftly.
What the hell, can you even survive last boss AV by ignoring these adds?
They hurt like hell, 1 attack 1 germ stack...

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Originally Posted by OlyverW

It is an April Fools joke by SE it will change back eventually

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Oh lol my char isn't even female. I guess it's random roll.

Hrm...

So I was lvling my WAR and got Brayflox on a Low Roulette,
Say hi, they say hi and so we go on the first room clear... uhm Healer then said something along the lines of "don't worry I will keep you alive!" but I died while he was typing such sentence D:
My answer with my innards painting the ground "uuuh sure D:"
Then they proceed to apologyse, but by doing so the DPS dies by lack of heals because they were entangled typing the apology D:

That was quite ironic but other than that it was a nice run :v

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Originally Posted by Bikpik

Those guides are wrong, and it is possible to not have any issues during rolling thunder by eating the orbs early, it just makes it easier to save them.

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This is referring to a couple of video guides I know are quite popular but oh well, regardless, he implied that eating the orbs caused judgement bolt to wipe us which is not the case and it does not condone his language either. He didn't free chaosd people either, even if he was standing next to them...

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Originally Posted by Arkenne

Hrm...

So I was lvling my WAR and got Brayflox on a Low Roulette,
Say hi, they say hi and so we go on the first room clear... uhm Healer then said something along the lines of "don't worry I will keep you alive!" but I died while he was typing such sentence D:
My answer with my innards painting the ground "uuuh sure D:"
Then they proceed to apologyse, but by doing so the DPS dies by lack of heals because they were entangled typing the apology D:

That was quite ironic but other than that it was a nice run :v

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Suggest the healer to put the apology on a macro http://i.imgur.com/MxmZRZV.gif

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Originally Posted by Theref

Oh lol my char isn't even female. I guess it's random roll.

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Lol i think it went by your own gender and not character gender or it could have been completely random. I just saw much less female avatars than male ones which i thought was funny if it exposed all the people playing as female characters and pretending to actually be a girl XD.

On a horror story note is it just me or has the weekly CT/ST/WoD been way more painful since the patch? Every run is hard and full of either trolls or very dumb people. I think there was some agreement somewhere that after the patch dropped they would troll runs because people will be running it for new stuff. Every single run has been a mess. The only other reason i can think of is the easter break for schools and there are a lot more kids about.

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Originally Posted by MXMoondoggie

Lol i think it went by your own gender and not character gender or it could have been completely random. I just saw much less female avatars than male ones which i thought was funny if it exposed all the people playing as female characters and pretending to actually be a girl XD.

On a horror story note is it just me or has the weekly CT/ST/WoD been way more painful since the patch? Every run is hard and full of either trolls or very dumb people. I think there was some agreement somewhere that after the patch dropped they would troll runs because people will be running it for new stuff. Every single run has been a mess. The only other reason i can think of is the easter break for schools and there are a lot more kids about.

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Reddit has a thread on that. http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...ally_gone_bad/

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Originally Posted by MXMoondoggie

On a horror story note is it just me or has the weekly CT/ST/WoD been way more painful since the patch? Every run is hard and full of either trolls or very dumb people. I think there was some agreement somewhere that after the patch dropped they would troll runs because people will be running it for new stuff. Every single run has been a mess. The only other reason i can think of is the easter break for schools and there are a lot more kids about.

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I wouldn't be surprised if there's an increased influx of players doing the CT weekly now that the Tomestone has started to drop from that weekly, as well as the fact that WoD got unlocked so a lot of players will be gearing up alt jobs.

Personally, LotA has always been bad since they implemented the CT weekly. I expect a lot of people dying during Bone Dragon, at least one wipe during Atomos, at least one wipe during King Behemoth, and 50% of the time a wipe on Archon renamed. A tank in my FC that I run LotA with actually insists on tanking KB all the time now since he can just sit on KB and not care about Meteor because of his near 11K HP and thus doesn't care if the Iron Giant isn't dead (which is almost always the case now). I personally prefer to go LotA on WHM just so I can "off tank" with my HP set if need be and can generally hold all the bosses and/or adds against derpy tanks (especially true for Bone Dragon since you'll generally need five competent tanks to handle wave 1 and 2 adds per phase and you only see 2-3 GOOD tanks per run).

WoD will always be a bit of a crap shoot but you can generally tell how good/bad a run is based on how many people die on the first wave of the first trash pull. I'm not looking forward to doing my weekly this week. Will probably post here if it's truly bad =p

So AK-hard from Expert Roulette...

A WAR and two BLM's ... are just not paying any attention.

When we get to the first boss room, the one BLM dies 3 consecutive times.

Then we get the same story with the WAR, where the WAR seems to be unable to make up their mind if they are trying to pull more or less, because of comments one of the BLM's made about dinner, and a phone call causes yet another wipe.

"Vote Abandon" comes up and I'm like... yes, I see nothing but fail with this group.

I got one for you guys, and I am telling this as myself, a Tank. Aurum Vale *waits for the groans*

It's my first time attempting it, which I mention and everyone at that point instantly becomes very helpful, and extremely patient with me. And I am very grateful they did because...I basically caused the party to wipe at least 10 times, before making it to the final boss. Hell, we didn't make it to the final boss at all. It was 2:30 in the morning, I was actually having to keep myself from getting so pissed off to the point I wanted to flip my keyboard table over...it was time to log out and go to bed, so I said my goodbyes and left the dungeon.

It just seemed no matter how much I spammed Flash, and my Enmity building WS's, I would always, always, have one or two mobs pull away and go after someone, and that's when the dying would start. My final straw was against a pair of Malboros. i go after one, trying to keep the other one from spotting myself or the group, thinking, "fighting one is going to be bad enough." but sure enough, the second one aggroed the healer somehow, and you can guess where it went from there.

Again, they were very patient with me and very willing to continue, but I was so ashamed of my lack of tanking, and getting very over the edge, I had to drop.

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Originally Posted by Theodin_Morgoth

It just seemed no matter how much I spammed Flash, and my Enmity building WS's, I would always, always, have one or two mobs pull away and go after someone, and that's when the dying would start. My final straw was against a pair of Malboros. i go after one, trying to keep the other one from spotting myself or the group, thinking, "fighting one is going to be bad enough." but sure enough, the second one aggroed the healer somehow, and you can guess where it went from there.

Again, they were very patient with me and very willing to continue, but I was so ashamed of my lack of tanking, and getting very over the edge, I had to drop.

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Sometimes the fault also lies with the healer or the DPS. It's easy to overpull accidentally in AV, but the rest of the party has to be mindful of their own positioning and enmity levels.

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Originally Posted by MXMoondoggie

On a horror story note is it just me or has the weekly CT/ST/WoD been way more painful since the patch? Every run is hard and full of either trolls or very dumb people. I think there was some agreement somewhere that after the patch dropped they would troll runs because people will be running it for new stuff. Every single run has been a mess. The only other reason i can think of is the easter break for schools and there are a lot more kids about.

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I read this post and the linked Reddit.
"WoD after lockout lift couldn't be that bad", I thought. "Not any worse than LoTA", I continued. "It'll be fine", I convinced myself.


If I or my alliance's SCH moved from healing our tank MTing, the tank died.
If I or our SCH healed their tank, our tank died.
If I or our SCH were healing their DPS, the MT died.
If I dashed for one of CoD's meteors, in the farthest end of the room, because it had no one was standing under it, our MT died.
Couldn't trust them with our tank/MT for 5 seconds.
I think all of the healers but myself and our SCH had jumped into Cerb's belly, leaving the two of us to bounce back and forth, trying to heal all the tanks and a few lingering DPS with Wolf Banes on them on opposite sides of the room. Needless to say, it didn't work well.

I'm glad I wasn't the only one to notice - our SCH felt the same way. "Healing Hardmode" xD

4 WHMs, yet mine and sometimes one other Regen were on the MT at any given time.
*lines them up, sticks hand up at head height, and walks....*

Frustrating.

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Originally Posted by Saseal

I'm glad I wasn't the only one to notice - our SCH felt the same way. "Healing Hardmode" xD

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Not sure about your data center, but over here at Excalibur/Primal seems like WoD just has a lot more people that want to be carried.

On the first round (I did WoD twice consecutively) everything was wonderful and nobody died repeatedly for stupid reasons. The second round... uh crap. 3 people on my team wipe out before even a minute passes. One of them gets locked out of the next set along with 3 others. Complete Wipe at the Dragon, everything else was passable, albeit taking longer than it should. One person (the same one who got locked out) made excuses to AFK twice.

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So I decided to go level my Arcanist job for a while so I can try SCH eventually, and the second dungeon run I get... I get one or maybe even two bots. The Tank (one of the suspected bots...) fails to use any skills at all throughout the dungeon. We're only saved by virtue of both myself and the healer recognizing that the Tank was going to be trash and I switched to the Tank pet instead. Vote Abandon was attempted but refused by (what I assume was the bot(s)) and the healer really wanted out, but stuck with it (probably to avoid penalties.)

I was in a WoD on my WHM. I had a SCH who couldn't be bothered to get out of Cleric, a MT who seemed rather squishy (they were full i110), and a Bard who didn't sing a single song (not even Paeon) but constantly complained for Goads.

When we got to the final boss, the Bard asked me why I even bothered to play WHM when SCH was clearly better in every possible way. I told them that both the healers had their pros and cons and they compliment each others' weaknesses with their strengths and I just happen to prefer WHM over SCH.

Well, apparently I was being super offensive because both the SCH and Bard started at me for not knowing my class at all. They asked me how much my t13 clear cost me and if I even knew what Shroud was (I was sitting on pretty low MP for the whole dungeon from the lack of assistance from my SCH). And it's just... sigh. I think I need a cup of hot chocolate and a good 12 hours of sleep.

I don't see the need for bashing any of the classes. It's really dependent upon the player and how they are using the tools they are given. Nor do I really feel like it was necessary for them to question my capabilities as a healer when they had just spent the past half hour letting me heal them. At least when it was all over I got commendations from the other 5 players in the party, so that was nice.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

Not sure about your data center, but over here at Excalibur/Primal seems like WoD just has a lot more people that want to be carried.)

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Couerl/Aether - I don't think any server is safe from that behavior, really. I see a lot of SCHs (sorry, I can't help but notice what my co-healer is or isn't doing) that are hoping for carries just letting their faerie do the healing while I'm mashing buttons all over the place. Not a physic was cast that day (just a note, I love having a SCH as my co-healer.... just not when I see them doing nothing but a bio now and then. No cast bars, no nothing). And a lot of WHMs that cast cure here and there and..... absolutely nothing else. This includes during cloud phase and DPSing the globes phase (sorry, name is escaping me atm). Sit and watch..... maybe toss a medica II for absolutely no reason.

Just all different horrors of WoD....
I remember having a full party of bards (dat party RNG...) and not one played any songs but swiftsong. They were pros at that.
Super squishy tank - blames inconsistent heals. He'd take half his HP in a single boss hit from just about everything, but he remained the MT for everything.
The three Chimeras. Very first trash mob. Near wipe.
5 headed dragon - Foes (gasp) pulled early and none of the tanks would hold hate, so it bounced around and cleaved the crap out of everyone with it's wide invisible range. Near wipe from the get-go.
The usual wiping at Angra... *slams face on keyboard*
No one killed the clouds at CoD with exception of a few, so of course she sucked up a ton and we wiped.
An Alliance WHM pulls with Aero. Wipe proceeds in the chaos.

and why is there an influx of WHMs that Medica II before everything? x.x

Separately - Hit trial roulette. Okay, Steps is up. like, 5 or 6 people say they're new. Immediately, people abandon ship. Then same people return. Then abandon. Went through 3 tanks. We finally had an awesome tank that - never did it before - was able to solo the daylights out of it.
The only nightmare there were the peoples lack of patience (and ADDs running amuck everywhere) for anyone new (which was a good portion of the party).
We fight through to the end with time up.
Hit trial roulette again.... Steps again. Luckily, only one abandon before we even take a step, this time.... but we got it by a landslide after one wipe. Dragon wasn't even near the gates before hitting the dirt....

I really never get that whole pre cast medica II before anything that's like the first big rookie mistake any WHM should be learning not to do. There are just a lot of things that happen in WoD that boggle the mind. People getting targeted by the gastric juice and ignoring it is one that is happening a lot more lately. Usually a melee and it's like all they do is watch their skill bar and mash buttons so they don't even see the target then the juice is under the boss or behind it in tail swipe range. Also melee dps who on cloud phase run around trying to stop meteors instead of focusing on cloud killing. I can understand it if it's a ranged they can stand on a circle and still kill stuff but really the dps should handle the clouds and healers who have nothing to do until the end of the phase can handle meteors since only like 3 at a time spawn and 6 healers can watch all zones.

Not that some healers even do that they just stand there next to the boss waiting for the end of the phase >.>. While i am on the subject why do people pile up at each side of the boss? Are they scared of the beams down the middle? When meteors spawn everyone is at one end of the map sprinting to get to the other in time. Should have one healer or ranged in the very middle since one meteor spawned there and the rest on either side of the middle since they can hit and heal from there then when meteors spawn the sides can run back and catch the 3 circles behind the middle. melee and tanks can get the ones at the front. But people seem to want to make it hard for themselves because they can't move out the middle to dodge a slow casting attack.

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Originally Posted by Selli

I was in a WoD on my WHM. I had a SCH who couldn't be bothered to get out of Cleric, a MT who seemed rather squishy (they were full i110), and a Bard who didn't sing a single song (not even Paeon) but constantly complained for Goads.

When we got to the final boss, the Bard asked me why I even bothered to play WHM when SCH was clearly better in every possible way. I told them that both the healers had their pros and cons and they compliment each others' weaknesses with their strengths and I just happen to prefer WHM over SCH.

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ugghhh.. you should've asked why the bard played a bard as their dmg is lower compared to melee (especially a songless bard).

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Originally Posted by MXMoondoggie

I really never get that whole pre cast medica II before anything that's like the first big rookie mistake any WHM should be learning not to do. There are just a lot of things that happen in WoD that boggle the mind.

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Yeah - I'll admit I used to do that (was either medica II or regen, I honestly don't remember) when I first started when the game came out of beta, people were still figuring out the game and I didn't understand hate/enmity. The last game I played on a constant basis (Ragnarok Online) didn't really have a normal enmity chart (it was a very strange one that made no sense and could be exploited by your standing position when you're a close-range DPS) and had no healing chart buildup (you can have a load of priests dropping non-stop heal and sanctuary bombs on a tank and it didn't matter). But by WoD, this should have been figured out already, if not pointed out by DF peeps somewhere down the line (this is how I learned). These aren't pre-50 dungeons anymore - I'm apt to forgive obvious newbies (like in LoTA) or in lower level dungeons but not so much when they're in WoD and poetics gear.

sorry, I'm prone to long windedness :| /seppuku

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While i am on the subject why do people pile up at each side of the boss?

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You know, come to think of it, I find myself doing that, too - and then wondering WHY people stay out of the middle while doing so.... but never really tried standing in the middle, myself - unless I ran to heal someone on the other side. o_Oa Must be some kind of psychology at work there. Only reason I can think of is just people splitting from particle beam and not bothering to fill in the gap again (even at a distance) - but that doesn't explain the start. Only last thing I can think of is habit - 'never stand in front of the boss with the tank'. So the tank ends up standing alone in front of her face as if they have some kind of room-length line-AoE cooties.... or just that the beam has had that much of a mental impact without realizing...

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Originally Posted by MXMoondoggie

I really never get that whole pre cast medica II before anything that's like the first big rookie mistake any WHM should be learning not to do.

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There is more than one way to play WHM, but ideally you save the healbombs for the raid-wide damage, otherwise you screw-over the tank. WHM's who think they're supposed to contribute significant DPS to a fight are often the ones that cast medica II, then switch to CS and spam DPS until it's up, and then repeat. The problem with this line of thinking, short of throwing the DoT's on a boss, is that it's not trying to be conservative with MP use at all. If you have a party with two healers who both use the same rookie playbook, it's going to cause some wipes.

Even in 4-man fights, I avoid using Medica II and Regen unless there really is a reason for it, but there's rarely a reason to use it unless your tank is trying to speed run everything, and you're having to spam as much HoT's before the Tank dies. Which just isn't smart. When there is a single boss, and it has an unavoidable AOE incoming, then you hit Medica II.

The (Coil) raids have different mechanics which invoke party healing more often because of this. If you don't pace yourself, you will run out of MP.

Back on the "bad groups to be in" stories. I'm really hating on Bards that don't use any of their songs. In the grand scheme of things you can tell when a Bard isn't doing it's job because their MP will be full all the time. A lot of this comes from there being no practical use for the songs in solo play. Not even the Job quests give any reason to use them.

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Originally Posted by Saseal

You know, come to think of it, I find myself doing that, too - and then wondering WHY people stay out of the middle while doing so.... but never really tried standing in the middle, myself - unless I ran to heal someone on the other side.

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The only dungeon that I specifically stand in the middle for are Trials/Mainstream boss fights, because that's where Party Healing is most effective and the easiest to target everyone. But this only works if the Tank takes the boss to the end of the room. Otherwise I will normally head to the left or right, mid-room, since the Melee's will pile up near the boss, and the ranged will be just close enough to solo heal.

However you do not want to do this if the Boss has ranged AOE's. Most Boss rooms involve a lot of AOE dodging by the Healer. So if you're standing near the Melee's closest to the boss, that AOE will force all the melees to move. If you're standing near the casters, then they have to move. Hence why most bosses I try to stand just outside the AOE cone away from everyone, even if it's in the center of the room.

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Talking about pre casting Medica II before a Tank pull. It's bad and you shouldn't do it. And boss wise it's talking about last boss in WoD. She has no frontal cleave and pretty much attacks only the Tank apart from her mechanics and a targeted AoE that follows the target. There is no reason a Healer can't stand in the middle for it. It's actually easier to target both sides of the room from the middle and safer because you don't have to worry about anyones beam hitting you. The rest of you said isn't relevant to what we were saying.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

Back on the "bad groups to be in" stories. I'm really hating on Bards that don't use any of their songs. In the grand scheme of things you can tell when a Bard isn't doing it's job because their MP will be full all the time. A lot of this comes from there being no practical use for the songs in solo play. Not even the Job quests give any reason to use them.

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I normally play Whitemage but occasionally I bring my Bard to a duty. For normal dungeons it's really not necessary to use my songs. Only times I use them is on a long boss fight and I see the healer's mana dropping low. I've met with mixed results.

Either
A. Healer doesn't notice it at all that he gets his mana back up.
B. He thanks me for it.
C. Basically pretty rude about having enough mana, so he doesn't need the *beep beep beep* ballad.

So yeah. Don't always blame the Bard for not playing songs. Some healers can be pretty toxic.

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Originally Posted by Elysaine

Either
A. Healer doesn't notice it at all that he gets his mana back up.
B. He thanks me for it.
C. Basically pretty rude about having enough mana, so he doesn't need the *beep beep beep* ballad.

So yeah. Don't always blame the Bard for not playing songs. Some healers can be pretty toxic.

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There are a few occasions you should be playing manasong. As soon as one of the healers die. Or when the fight is lasting way more than expected. Or dozens raises occured. But this is only possible when you're not in Requiem Foe anyway. If any of the above situations occur too early, you're likely under Requiem Foe and perhaps low on mana yourself. Won't blame any bard for that. It's fine, we'll wait until you get it back yourself, for a refill ;p

I've encountered absolutely none who would get rude about receiving mana in those situations. I play both as a bard and whm. And use macro for both.

as a bard "/p <<Mana Song>> for everyone. Stay close"
as a whm "/p Sing me a <<Manna Song>> please"

As a bard, I always keep an eye on the hp/mp bars (maybe because I'm a whm before anything, and can't help looking at it) and a whm will never have to ask me this. As a whm, I always have an eye on my mana, my buffs/debuffs and my position. I will know at all times where the bard(s) is. And believe me, all whm who have at least played a bit as such, know what the manasong buff icon is like. We know when we're being buffed ^^

If you have no thanks from it, it's the whm being rude indeed, or a quite terrible whm imo, for not recognizing the icon imo. This would be "bad", rather than "rude" ;)

If you have a SMN or BLM, then you should always be playing Foe's IMO.

Yesterday i was running haukke manor on my scholar. The two dps were both bards. Every time the tank would make a pull they would both start spamming their aoe attacks and start pulling enmity off the tank. Obviously this caused them to start taking a ton of damage and caused me great stress. About halfway through the dungeon the tank says "so are all bards retarded, or just you two?" They didn't respond, but they took the hint and cleaned up their act for the rest of the dungeon. It was overall pretty funny.

Got caught up with the recent stories. You guys need a lot of hugs.

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Got caught up with the recent stories. You guys need a lot of hugs.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Got caught up with the recent stories. You guys need a lot of hugs.

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Very much so.

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If you have a SMN or BLM, then you should always be playing Foe's IMO.

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But not before the pull. I've seen too many bards "accidentally" pull by using Foe's Requiem.

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Originally Posted by Sagittarian

But not before the pull. I've seen too many bards "accidentally" pull by using Foe's Requiem.

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True.

On the other hand, sometimes even this would please me. As BLM, I've been in too many parties with 1 or more bards and had to specifically ask for it. 50/50 whether or not I actually get it after asking.

As SCH I request it, too; once I had a bard claim that it wouldn't help much, anyway. I gently pointed out that his full MP bar wasn't helping much, either, and he started playing it.