The Monk Temple

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

These are the reasons I like my current opener, even though it has DK drop for ~1-2 skills. Everything is up for ToD and the reapplication of Demo (which also clips 1 tick at most), and overall up as early as possible, too.

Demo > BfB > Snap > IR > Snap > Steel > DK > Howl > Snap > DK > Twin > ToD > Demo > Boot* > True > Snap > DK > Twin > Snap > etc...

*Alternatively, one can replace this Boot with a DK, and make it so DK never drops. Should the DK here crit, it would be no different from a Bootshine anyway. On the other hand, if it does not crit, the DPS loss from it is theoretically greater than the DPS loss from having blunt resist down for 2 skills.

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This makes much more sense to me.

About your annotation, I don't see why DK's debuff should fall off at all in that sequence. I can always include ToD and still do a rear cycle without DK's debuff falling off.

Considering DK > Twin > ToD > Demo > Boot* > True > Snap > DK is just the usual alternating Flank/Rear cycle sequence with ToD added in, why would DK fall off for 2 skills?
Otherwise, I like this opener the best so far.

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Originally Posted by Allyrion

This makes much more sense to me.

About your annotation, I don't see why DK's debuff should fall off at all in that sequence. I can always include ToD and still do a rear cycle without DK's debuff falling off.

Considering DK > Twin > ToD > Demo > Boot* > True > Snap > DK is just the usual alternating Flank/Rear cycle sequence with ToD added in, why would DK fall off for 2 skills?
Otherwise, I like this opener the best so far.

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The DK used right after Perfect Balance ends does not refresh the debuff, that is why it ends up falling. I'll put in another color scheme to make it clear where the effects of PB end.

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

The DK used right after Perfect Balance ends does not refresh the debuff, that is why it ends up falling. I'll put in another color scheme to make it clear where the effects of PB end.

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Yea, I miscounted. My bad.

just curious, in full i90 with gl3 how much is the GCD?

Depends on your skill speed.

At minimum skillspeed (341) your gcd should be 2.125 seconds. Since there's no way to get you skill speed this low in full i90 your gcd will be necesarily faster. Though with current theorycrafting it won't be very much faster. 2.05 seconds or somesuch.

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Originally Posted by Instrumentality

Depends on your skill speed.

At minimum skillspeed (341) your gcd should be 2.125 seconds. Since there's no way to get you skill speed this low in full i90 your gcd will be necesarily faster. Though with current theorycrafting it won't be very much faster. 2.05 seconds or somesuch.

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The BiS gearset adds only 15 more skill speed to the base value (if you favor det and then crit). So it won't be much different.

That being said, it's perfectly fine to keep all buffs and do the optimal MNK combos anyway.

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

The BiS gearset adds only 15 more skill speed to the base value (if you favor det and then crit). So it won't be much different.

That being said, it's perfectly fine to keep all buffs and do the optimal MNK combos anyway.

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What do you consider to be the BiS? I have seen so many variations, and I enjoy reading what you write, so I am curious.

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Originally Posted by Rasabox

What do you consider to be the BiS? I have seen so many variations, and I enjoy reading what you write, so I am curious.

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http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/LR6J

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/LR6J

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Too high accuracy. It's been more or less confirmed at this point flank requires 460~ ACC, compared to the front which is closer to 480 (and is the source of those rare misses you'll see, spinning bosses or fighting adds which will be facing the raid occasionally).

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Originally Posted by Sleigh

Too high accuracy. It's been more or less confirmed at this point flank requires 460~ ACC, compared to the front which is closer to 480 (and is the source of those rare misses you'll see, spinning bosses or fighting adds which will be facing the raid occasionally).

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That's 460 for Asclepius in Turn 5 from the flank? I imagine rear is at most the same as flank if not lower.

Either way, I spend a lot of time hitting Asclepius from the front during Divebombs, so I would keep the high accuracy in this case. That being said, I could simply swap the head piece for Allagan and the earrings for Primal for anything where I don't need the accuracy.

Also, I would like to see the wealth of data supporting this theory that flank caps are different and lower. I have reports from my tanks that they have indeed missed when under 475 while off-tanking Twintania.

Keep in mind off-tanking Twintania includes:

1. Frontal attacks on wyverns.
2. Stray frontal attacks when Twintania turns to cast fireball.
3. Frontal attacks on snakes.
4. Stray frontal attacks on Dreads.
5. Moderate possibility of frontal attacks when Twintania turns to spam liquid hell 5x.

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

That's 460 for Asclepius in Turn 5 from the flank? I imagine rear is at most the same as flank if not lower.

Either way, I spend a lot of time hitting Asclepius from the front during Divebombs, so I would keep the high accuracy in this case. That being said, I could simply swap the head piece for Allagan and the earrings for Primal for anything where I don't need the accuracy.

Also, I would like to see the wealth of data supporting this theory that flank caps are different and lower. I have reports from my tanks that they have indeed missed when under 475 while off-tanking Twintania.

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1841651

Others and myself have tested it in both BC and on training dummies. Every single test has a lower hit % on flank than front (assuming accuracy isn't 100%), and likewise rear gives less misses than flank.

Anyway is fracture worthed it for monk's rotation along with demolish and touch of death (DPS wise)?

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Originally Posted by Empressia

Anyway is fracture worthed it for monk's rotation along with demolish and touch of death (DPS wise)?

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I would say unless you feel like you are amazingly comfortable playing MNK and have absolutely no TP issues, drop Fracture entirely.

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/LR6J

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good setup here but you dont need that hight accuracy exepte for T5.outside of T5,change myth head for allagan that will put you at 464 accuracy but you will gain 15 DET(well losing 6 crit but 15 DET is way better).you could also use deviled eggs instead of button in the blancket for T5.

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Originally Posted by Zakard

good setup here but you dont need that hight accuracy exepte for T5.outside of T5,change myth head for allagan that will put you at 464 accuracy but you will gain 15 DET(well losing 6 crit but 15 DET is way better).you could also use deviled eggs instead of button in the blancket for T5.

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Yup, I sub in Allagan Visor and Tremor Earrings for lesser content.

I like Buttons for the +Det.

Here's mine. http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/LGK7

Here's my list for 458 acc:

Allagan Belt
Allagan Boots
Allagan Bracelet Maiming
Allagan Chest
Allagan Earring Maiming
Myth Gloves
Allagan Helm
Myth Leggings
Allagan Necklace Maiming
Allagan Ring Striking
Allagan Ring Maiming
Allagan Weapon

Here's my list for all i90+ with no acc (forgot to include CT pieces so it may not be accurate). Ends up at 376 acc:

Allagan Belt
Allagan Boots
Allagan Bracelet Maiming
Allagan Chest
EX Titan Earring Striking
Myth Gloves
Allagan Helm
Allagan Leggings
Allagan Necklace Striking
Allagan Ring Maiming
Myth Ring
Allagan Weapon

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Originally Posted by Misake

Here's mine. http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/LGK7

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Hmmm... I really like this one.

@EasymodeX:
Not a fan of taking the Melee Gloves over the Allagan Gauntlets. Sure it's like 4 more Det, but I'll take 21 crit over 15 skill speed any day.

I'm a fan of whatever solver tells me on my spreadsheet ... lol.

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Originally Posted by EasymodeX

I'm a fan of whatever solver tells me on my spreadsheet ... lol.

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Fair enough. Even using your weights, was the difference even much between the 2 items?

I was sick a couple weeks ago and made a spreadsheet with the effective str weights of all the monk gear based on Easymode's stat weights. Ill put it up on g-drive for everyone to check out. (Hopefully i didnt make any math errors X.X)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2r...it?usp=sharing

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

Fair enough. Even using your weights, was the difference even much between the 2 items?

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The difference is never much between i90.

For those two items ... the difference is probably 0.1 dps.

Strategically it's probably better to simply use the Allagan Gloves because of TP.

I'd probably end up choosing based on aesthetics more than anything.

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Originally Posted by EasymodeX

The difference is never much between i90.

For those two items ... the difference is probably 0.1 dps.

Strategically it's probably better to simply use the Allagan Gloves because of TP.

I'd probably end up choosing based on aesthetics more than anything.

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The choice is entirely simple for me.

I have the Allagan Gauntlets. I have not bought the Melee Gloves.

Done.

:)

For me the gloves never drop :/ So ill be buying the gloves if they dont drop next week.... Shame as i know AFTER i bought them it will drop lol

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Originally Posted by KaosPrimeZero

For me the gloves never drop :/ So ill be buying the gloves if they dont drop next week.... Shame as i know AFTER i bought them it will drop lol

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http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps78a72020.gif

Dem feels

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Originally Posted by KaosPrimeZero

For me the gloves never drop :/ So ill be buying the gloves if they dont drop next week.... Shame as i know AFTER i bought them it will drop lol

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For me, it's the damn striking ring... and the cuirass.

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

For me, it's the damn striking ring... and the cuirass.

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Aside from the pants and earrings there has not been a single damned Coil drop that I could use.

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Originally Posted by KaosPrimeZero

For me the gloves never drop :/ So ill be buying the gloves if they dont drop next week.... Shame as i know AFTER i bought them it will drop lol

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practice zen like me, spend myth on something else and walk with hideous darklight sandals for months. Did I mention I'm the only MNK in our group? hehe

Oh the RNG...
Still waiting for my Gloves and Weapon, they never drop. :/

Talking about gear spreadsheets, I never did post mine in here. I made DRG, MNK and BRD solvers that have almost all the gear from darklight onwards, excluding PvP gear. The accuracy levels in them are based on the static values people used to use before the directional accuracy testing, but I will update them when exact numbers are found~.

You can download them here: http://bit.ly/FFXIVSolvers

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Originally Posted by Ihm

Talking about gear spreadsheets, I never did post mine in here. I made DRG, MNK and BRD solvers that have almost all the gear from darklight onwards, excluding PvP gear. The accuracy levels in them are based on the static values people used to use before the directional accuracy testing, but I will update them when exact numbers are found~.

You can download them here: http://bit.ly/FFXIVSolvers

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Well, this is the first time I've seen a relic and the +1 have different secondary stats.
I could be wrong.

Lol.

Monk gear that isn't gloves and boots drops in Coil?

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Originally Posted by Ihm

You can download them here: http://bit.ly/FFXIVSolvers

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Fascinating. Your solver results in a 0.01 higher result than mine even with the same logic and inputs. I actually went and manually entered the gearset that results from yours and it's 0.01 higher in my spreadsheet, meaning my solver is broken / I need to set it up differently to be more thorough / sensitive to changes.

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Originally Posted by TheGlow

Well, this is the first time I've seen a relic and the +1 have different secondary stats.
I could be wrong.

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I think you misread it?

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Originally Posted by EasymodeX

Fascinating. Your solver results in a 0.01 higher result than mine even with the same logic and inputs. I actually went and manually entered the gearset that results from yours and it's 0.01 higher in my spreadsheet, meaning my solver is broken / I need to set it up differently to be more thorough / sensitive to changes.

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If yours is based on Zigkids original solver then yeah, it is slightly off. I had to change the integer optimality to make it get the true best sets every time.

I've just reuploaded all the sheets with extra food and a few typos fixed (I'm so typo prone it hurts).

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Originally Posted by Shirai

Aside from the pants and earrings there has not been a single damned Coil drop that I could use.

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i think i saw bracers and earrings ..... and yea.. i have yet to see anything... else , at least i like how my AF 2 looks or thats what i tell myself

ive been i90 for so long, but I hate the myth gear so much. ive had allagan visors, gloves, belt, legs, and all accessories for striking/maiming/slaying forever now. few weeks ago I got allagan chest to finally drop, so I was full allagan except for the stupid boots. for 4~5 months of coil I had never seen boots drop from t4, until this week! finally full allagan monk (besides the stupid weapon that drops for every other monk but me). I was so excited over the boots I didnt even care about not getting weapon, again. (granted I still got the smn book this week for my alt)

#monkpride
#rngsux

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Originally Posted by Ihm

If yours is based on Zigkids original solver then yeah, it is slightly off. I had to change the integer optimality to make it get the true best sets every time.

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No, I made it a while before Zigkid developed his :D. I'll tweak that setting and see if it helps. I thought that affected the input for non-integers, not the output.

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Originally Posted by ryuuken

#rngsux

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25+ T1 clears (21 on main, around 5 or so more on an alt) and still have never seen monk pants, ever. At this point they are approaching Unicorn status for my group, along with tank boots.

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Originally Posted by Mishaela

25+ T1 clears (21 on main, around 5 or so more on an alt) and still have never seen monk pants, ever. At this point they are approaching Unicorn status for my group, along with tank boots.

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It took me 21 to get tank boots.

22 and counting on tank belt. Never seen it. Doubt I ever will.