Marriage feedback [inofficial Poll]

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Originally Posted by Atomisk

I guess the main problem is, do the two getting married really love eachother? Or is it just for a tax break. And when my significant other stops playing for a year and i want to re-marry, can i get a divorce? Will they get half? :(

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Originally Posted by Keisuna

They'll get custody of the chocobos, the house, and half of your gil.

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Originally Posted by Atomisk

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Fixed. [click on image]

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

Kei's drawing skills are throwing off the opposition O_O

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I'll oppose something else, and argue from all 3 sides on a different topic... Kei's art kind of won the internet, me thinks. So am getting out of the pool on this one... Had Kei drawn something like that 60 pages back, i would have not needed to waist the ink to reply or post in this 60 pages...

PS: made those in to my desk top back ground... cant... stop.... admiring... art..... skill

Well the meaning behind Kei's picture is really the point to make. Since after all there's people behind those pixels all with different beliefs and opinions. Yes, pixels do matter.

THe odd thing is, 5 linkshells combined into one over the topic with now 126k members to devide over shells equally the colors of the rainbow. IF they really want to make a stink about it, they actually may. Depends on how important it is to them that SE seperates political and religious ideology from reality.

Poor horse still been beaten ;o . My advice to everyone is to respect our Host and stop demanding things...we are the guests in this game...just like Yoshi-P answered the question of weathers in areas "if we implement weather changes in each area it will be set to Japan's weather because the game was made here" same thing should apply for marriage it should be done the way they see it fit best...can't throw a tantrum because your host doesn't offer you certain kind of drink you like when in that house that drink is not consumed.

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Originally Posted by Warlock

Poor horse still been beaten ;o . My advice to everyone is to respect our Host and stop demanding things...we are the guests in this game...just like Yoshi-P answered the question of weathers in areas "if we implement weather changes in each area it will be set to Japan's weather because the game was made here" same thing should apply for marriage it should be done the way they see it fit best...can't throw a tantrum because your host doesn't offer you certain kind of drink you like when in that house that drink is not consumed.

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How many times do people have to say: Yoshi-P asked us personally for feedback.
We are not begging, we are providing him with our opinion that he asked for. If you keep saying that it just makes it seem like a last ditch effort to throw off the topic in your favor.

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

How many times do people have to say: Yoshi-P asked us personally for feedback.
We are not begging, we are providing him with our opinion that he asked for. If you keep saying that it just makes it seem like a last ditch effort to throw off the topic in your favor.

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He was just extremely cautious with that answer to not just be like "HAHAHAHA. NO." he was like "Ehhhh" while scratching his head...he obviously didn't jump "of course it will be added too! why do you even ask!" he clearly doesn't have the mindset for that he is not a 20 y/o going with the new wave same as Wada

I just can't express enough how much of a bad idea that marriage even be put into the game. It invites too many problems. People from different viewpoints at each other's throats because of who can marry whom, and however Yoshi decides to do it, a whole group of people will not be pleased. Best to just leave it out of the game, because too many people take it way too seriously. Just mho.

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Originally Posted by Warlock

He was just extremely cautious with that answer to not just be like "HAHAHAHA. NO." he was like "Ehhhh" while scratching his head...he obviously didn't jump "of course it will be added too! why do you even ask!" he clearly doesn't have the mindset for that he is not a 20 y/o going with the new wave same as Wada

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How can you even begin to think that? What sort of person says "Yeah, please give us feedback" only to ignore them the whole time? That's scummy and nothing like Yoshi. That's why these threads even exist in the first place.

Why would your mind immediately go to that? Yoshi says one thing but means the opposite? And you act like the alternative is not only acceptable, but also a good thing?

The dev team has been working close with the community and it can be evidenced by the dev responses and the translation thread. Do not deny or pretend that our feedback is nothing to the people who have worked 2 years on restructuring this game.

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Originally Posted by Warlock

He was just extremely cautious with that answer to not just be like "HAHAHAHA. NO." he was like "Ehhhh" while scratching his head...he obviously didn't jump "of course it will be added too! why do you even ask!" he clearly doesn't have the mindset for that he is not a 20 y/o going with the new wave same as Wada

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I don't even begin to know where you come up with that assumption... He clearly asked us for feedback. Very clearly.

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

I don't even begin to know where you come up with that assumption... He clearly asked us for feedback. Very clearly.

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That's the most neutral answer he could come up with in such short notice

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Originally Posted by Warlock

That's the most neutral answer he could come up with in such short notice

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Now you're just in denial.

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

Now you're just in denial.

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Yoshi-P's stance on the matter is very clear to me that's not been denial ...if he was all for it he shouldn't need feedback at all ...but at the end of the day he is just a very fair man

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Originally Posted by Warlock

Yoshi-P's stance on the matter is very clear to me that's not been denial ...if he was all for it he shouldn't need feedback at all ...but at the end of the day he is just a very fair man

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No, he stated that since it's a touchy subject, there will be only opposite sex marriage at start but he wanted our feedback on the matter.

I will state again,

He did not:
A.) State his preference on the matter.
B.) Say anything about his companies stance on the matter.
C.) Say that this was a permanent choice.

He did however:
A.) Say that it will be this way at launch.
B.) That it was because it's a touchy subject.
C.) Ask us for feedback on the matter.

Why are you arguing his words when you can look them up?

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Originally Posted by Warlock

Yoshi-P's stance on the matter is very clear to me that's not been denial ...if he was all for it he shouldn't need feedback at all ...but at the end of the day he is just a very fair man

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What reason do you have to believe it?
I have evidence of the opposite.

If this is just about the marriage thing, I can understand why it would not be added for political reasons, but not adding same sex marriage does not negate the fact that they value our input.

holy balls this thread is still going??

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Originally Posted by valetarkus

holy balls this thread is still going??

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For it or against it, it's an important issue for some people.

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Originally Posted by valetarkus

holy balls this thread is still going??

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Simple...
Make a Poll, "With, Against, Don't Care (not gonna get married)", BUT
Those who choose to disagree with same sex marriage, will only be able to marry to different sex gender in game.
and those who choose to agree with same sex marriage, will only be able to marry same sex gender in game.
And those who choose "Don't Care", will not be able to get married at all in game.
(Every one who vote is linked with his FFXIV account, so it is easy to know who picked what and implement it in the game) lol.

Then see how many people will actually want same sex marriage... you would be surprised the people who liked the "Same sex marriage" post will disappear because they don't really want to marry same sex in game and choose to like the post just because they don't really care. (But when they will be forced to same sex marriage, then they will care) lol..

Then take the opposite-sex vs same-sex numbers and see who win.
It might be harsh, but it is the truth.

(This post is not about people wanting to support the implementation of the system or not, but more of to show how many people really that don't care about same-sex, but chose same-sex just to have some laughs)

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Originally Posted by SedoSan

Simple...
Make a Poll, "With, Against, Don't Care (not gonna get married)", BUT
Those who choose to disagree with same sex marriage, will only be able to marry to different sex gender in game.
and those who choose to agree with same sex marriage, will only be able to marry same sex gender in game.
And those who choose "Don't Care", will not be able to get married at all in game.
(Every one who vote is linked with his FFXIV account, so it is easy to know who picked what and implement it in the game) lol.

Then see how many people will actually want same sex marriage... you would be surprised the people who liked the "Same sex marriage" post will disappear because they don't really want to marry same sex in game and choose to like the post just because they don't really care. (But when they will be forced to same sex marriage, then they will care) lol..

Then take the opposite-sex vs same-sex numbers and see who win.
It might be harsh, but it is the truth.

(This post is not about people wanting to support the implementation of the system or not, but more of to show how many people really that don't care about same-sex, but chose same-sex just to have some laughs)

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This makes absolutely no sense. First of all, this isn't about how many people would actually have a SSM, it is about how many people support the choice being available regardless of what their reason for supporting it is. That doesn't matter at all.

It is utterly stupid and nonsensical to suggest that a person should be forced into the opposite of what they would actually want to do just because they did the right thing by supporting someone else's wish to have a SSM out of fairness.

The only thing your suggestion would show is how to force a false result via negative reinforcement and expectation of punishment for choosing the "wrong" answer.

this "poll" doesn't express more than a coarse opinion tendency anyways, since it has the possible inaccuracy factor that people can vote for both.
so you can't figure out how many people actually took part anyways.

and we don't know if the results are similar if they had actual consecuences in the game given the premise by Yoshi-P that he'd act in accordance to a (new and accurate) poll.

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Originally Posted by Wynn

This makes absolutely no sense. First of all, this isn't about how many people would actually have a SSM, it is about how many people support the choice being available regardless of what their reason for supporting it is. That doesn't matter at all.

It is utterly stupid and nonsensical to suggest that a person should be forced into the opposite of what they would actually want to do just because they did the right thing by supporting someone else's wish to have a SSM out of fairness.

The only thing your suggestion would show is how to force a false result via negative reinforcement and expectation of punishment for choosing the "wrong" answer.

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Actually it does make perfect sense, if you read my last sentence you would see that this post was made to show that the numbers in the first 2 polls (like this thread if u r with/ like this thread if you are against) are not accurate, and most of them just clicked like because it would be fun to piss those who are against.

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Originally Posted by SedoSan

Actually it does make perfect sense, if you read my last sentence you would see that this post was made to show that the numbers in the first 2 polls (like this thread if u r with/ like this thread if you are against) are not accurate, and most of them just clicked like because it would be fun to piss those who are against.

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Please, tell me more about how you can read hundreds of anonymous minds.
http://i.imgur.com/bOVVh.jpg

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

Please, tell me more about how you can read hundreds of anonymous minds.
http://i.imgur.com/bOVVh.jpg

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He assumes what people are thinking based on polls, >.>

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Originally Posted by Forgo

He assumes what people are thinking based on polls, >.>

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I don't think I've ever seen such an arrogant statement that one can claim to know why most of over 500 people voted for something. It's as absurd as saying you can read minds.
It's also really condescending and belittles those who voted for it for legitimate reasons, like myself.

i think what he means is that in general a non-binding click of a like-button isn't necessarily a serious statement.

the thread provides a platform for exchanging Pros and Cons, but not much more.

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Originally Posted by Phe

i think what he means is that in general a non-binding click of a like-button isn't necessarily a serious statement.

the thread provides a platform for exchanging Pros and Cons, but not much more.

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True and people tend to forget that its just that and turn it into a debate about what is and what isn't right in the world... I'm not saying I know what people are thinking and won't say that a lot people think the way I do with this statement but what was the start of this tread seems to have been lost to the "war of words" as i like to call it and people are just fighting for reasons unknown

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Originally Posted by SedoSan

Simple...
Make a Poll, "With, Against, Don't Care (not gonna get married)", BUT
Those who choose to disagree with same sex marriage, will only be able to marry to different sex gender in game.
and those who choose to agree with same sex marriage, will only be able to marry same sex gender in game.
And those who choose "Don't Care", will not be able to get married at all in game.
(Every one who vote is linked with his FFXIV account, so it is easy to know who picked what and implement it in the game) lol.

Then see how many people will actually want same sex marriage... you would be surprised the people who liked the "Same sex marriage" post will disappear because they don't really want to marry same sex in game and choose to like the post just because they don't really care. (But when they will be forced to same sex marriage, then they will care) lol..

Then take the opposite-sex vs same-sex numbers and see who win.
It might be harsh, but it is the truth.

(This post is not about people wanting to support the implementation of the system or not, but more of to show how many people really that don't care about same-sex, but chose same-sex just to have some laughs)

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Still want same sex marriage.. bet it!

btw who r u to decide what care to who? >.<
Then even who liked opposite sex marriage don't care! >.<

Sometimes I really surprise about some post O.o

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

http://i.imgur.com/bOVVh.jpg

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Another reason why need need to make more Final Fantasy fan art... this is amazing work!

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Originally Posted by Phe

i think what he means is that in general a non-binding click of a like-button isn't necessarily a serious statement.

the thread provides a platform for exchanging Pros and Cons, but not much more.

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Asking people a simple question as to whether they support something or not is pretty straight forward and to suggest that 550 people would just vote in favor for the ha-has is really nothing more than a pathetic attempt by someone in the minority opinion to justify how it is possible for more people to disagree with them than agree.

Furthermore, asking people whether they support something but forcing them to vote as they would themselves choose to do is not logically sound. It makes the assumption that their opinion of whether to support the option and their own choice were, and should be, mutually exclusive.

That is so ridiculous it is beyond words and anyone who thinks that would be somehow a more reliable way of determining what people's opinion is on this issue has a serious lack of scruples and/or brain function.

See, this is exactly why I think marriage should be left completely out of the game. ARR hasn't even come out yet, and people are already at each other's throats. It creates too much bad blood between players. Opens up the the proverbial can of worms, well actually, more like opens up the floodgates of hell. It bodes ill.

here's an argument... if SE is willing to make kefka... then SSM should be fine... I mean seriously... at the end of the game he's floating above a tower resting on a demon and on this tower are half naked men all who look like him and a bust of a woman... I think enough is implied there...
A lot of SE games cast a highly flamboyant male or butch female as the villain... If they are willing to make represent us in the games and perpetuate that we may be evil. Why NOT let us marry

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

Please, tell me more about how you can read hundreds of anonymous minds.
http://i.imgur.com/bOVVh.jpg

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its the real world, stop being in denial.

It also occurred to me, you guys want SSM because u say its your freedom, well, my freedom is not to see SSM.
Quiet shocking isn't it?

Actually, you know what, YOU Please, tell me more about how you can read hundreds of anonymous minds. (are you sure those who did the poll actually are supporting?).

This thread is actually quiet amusing, lol~ keep on with your campaign while it lasts. :)

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Originally Posted by SedoSan

its the real world, stop being in denial.

It also occurred to me, you guys want SSM because u say its your freedom, well, my freedom is not to see SSM.
Quiet shocking isn't it?

Actually, you know what, YOU Please, tell me more about how you can read hundreds of anonymous minds. (are you sure those who did the poll actually are supporting?).

This thread is actually quiet amusing, lol~ keep on with your campaign while it lasts. :)

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You play an elezen... dear god your argument is invalid... seriously... login to 14 1.0... use /pose... use /happy Your character likes men...
I mean like seriously... the /happy is pretty much a duplicate of a move from "Dancing Queen"
/pose is a typically female movement but often commonly used by gay male models as well as sassy gays...

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Originally Posted by SedoSan

Actually it does make perfect sense, if you read my last sentence you would see that this post was made to show that the numbers in the first 2 polls (like this thread if u r with/ like this thread if you are against) are not accurate, and most of them just clicked like because it would be fun to piss those who are against.

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Seriouslyyyy?
Wheres the fun on it after all?
LOL, and the difference whould be so big????
May i ask how old are you sir?
Want it or not, its something that's out there (ppl that love same gender ppl), and what's the society trying to do is scare them to a point where they are forced to be unhappy, just because the society thinks about them as "aborts" or something like it.
People need to grow up and let others do what they want and respect them.
Society isnt a god that can force ppl do what they dont want to, and they are also nothing to tell others what's right or wrong about this.
I actually dont get what's so wrong about this subject where society wont evolve at all about it and jsut let it be... It sounds like some kind of virus that will kill ppl on sight, instantly, or make them change sexual tastes just because they seen it. Or it kinda also sounds like, ppl are afraid that an homo will kidnap them, abuse them and make them change sexuality..... i dont get why ppl are so stupid around this subject.

Also, its obvious that ppl want Same Sex Marriage, some because they are IRL, others because they have boyfriend/girlfriend playing with same genders, and i dont think it is healthy for a game to limit males to pick male chars and females to pick female chars. Most of my friends play with female chars because they dont want to stare at a man's char all the day while playing.
Just because its possible to Marry same gender doesnt mean you HAVE TO do it too... Its an option, like there always been one that lets you be a Man playing a Woman char.
Also i'm sure there are plenty of man using a woman char that marries man that uses a male char, whouldnt u be against that too? Seriously...

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

I don't think I've ever seen such an arrogant statement that one can claim to know why most of over 500 people voted for something. It's as absurd as saying you can read minds.
It's also really condescending and belittles those who voted for it for legitimate reasons, like myself.

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I don't think they can believe that so many people could possibly be supportive of SSM, even if they aren't gay. So much that they want to throw out some stupid reasons to invalidate a poll that shows they are a vast minority.

"553 people voted for yes but didn't really mean it! Derp" Yea right....

In a fair world, everyone would mind their own business and go on about their lives. In a fair world, people would understand to live and let live and not to try to control other peoples' lives. Bu the thing is, we live in a world that is FAR from the one I described. People of different religions, races, and beliefs are always going to try to convert others' to their way of thinking, forcefully more often than not. It's their way of validating their own beliefs; if they can use what they believe to assimilate or destroy others, then it seems to them to be that much stronger. There is safety in numbers, and only the strong shall survive. It's like the basest instincts of the most dangerous animals.

That's why I think marriage should be kept out of MMOs. It ignites the war of the many tongues, it creates unnecessary and unneeded conflicts, and there are too many people who are not willing to leave alone those they don't agree with. Allowing marriage in MMOs is akin to allowing religion in MMOs, it won't go off well. Now, in my opinion, I really don't give a crap about SSM being in an MMO. Sure, it's not my way, but then again, my character won't be marrying anyone of his sex, so who cares? SSM is like any other feature in the game like holiday quests, it's not manditory to beat the game, and you can either do it or not, it really doesn't matter. I just wish Yoshi hadn't decided to add this feature. It's already a pain in the butt.

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Originally Posted by SkyeWindbinder

That's why I think marriage should be kept out of MMOs. It ignites the war of the many tongues, it creates unnecessary and unneeded conflicts, and there are too many people who are not willing to leave alone those they don't agree with. Allowing marriage in MMOs is akin to allowing religion in MMOs, it won't go off well

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Why deny 2 of the most facinating aspects of humans to games?
the 2 aspects that EVERY OTEHR form of art has studied and analize and deconstruct through the ages of mankind.

Now on this particular mater od same sex marrige, there are TONs of players who play with characters that are not they own gender 90% of the mithras in FFXI were males playing females. so what is the problem with 2 clusters of poligons that represent the same gender in a game geting married?