Why are PC players being so stuck up to ps3 players?

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Originally Posted by ZyloWolfBane

Neither do you, cause other than the server culling there's a known GPU Driver problem. Try again.

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Right, something PS3 does not have to worry about, now you're trying to hard. i don't care for this PC vs PS3 BS, i am simply telling you that your views on it are false and you're being very prickish, but then again, that is exactly what i sought to look for for this problem, so one good thing did come out of you. you proved the douch part.

This seems to be a touchy subject for people. Let people run their FC's / Groups the way they want to. If they don't want to play with PS3 users, that's their right. I also will not party or invite knowingly a PS3 user to my FC simply because they are not playing the game to the optimal limit. In HM Titan / Bahamut's Coil we need people to have a good frame rate, good coordination and excellent execution of their abilities which I feel is hindered by controller / PS3 play. Racism only exists because people keep talking about it. Shut up and play.

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Originally Posted by KentuckyWildcat

This is the best thread to watch while servers are down. The people that actually believe consoles are equivalent to PCs are the best.

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I know people at my work who honestly believe thier consoles are stronger than the most powerful PC's available.

Also that they can buy a gaming laptop and it'll be stronger than a desktop.

I have to hide my power level there so hard it hurts.

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Originally Posted by ZyloWolfBane

That's server culling, has nothing to do with your computer. It's a serverside problem as I was explaining above.

Guild Wars 2 did the same thing.

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Is the server only sending me information about models 'close' to me? This is extremely problematic. In some other games, all model information was still 'sent' to you, but your game would decide how many models it could handle on the screen at once (thus allowing you to prioritize certain types like I said earlier). Granted, there are a LOT of people in one area at once. I'm not sure how sending me information about every single one would do... I predict a lot more Coerthas zone crashes.

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Originally Posted by KentuckyWildcat

This is the best thread to watch while servers are down. The people that actually believe consoles are equivalent to PCs are the best.

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Yea but on a console i can play on a couch, be comfortable and use a controller, you cant do stuff like that on the more versatile and powerful PC...

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Originally Posted by DivineOracle

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Seems like you're the one being a douche here, I'm not calling anyone out or talking down to anyone here. I'm stating the obvious limitations to the console Vs PC and why people would exclude them.

Did I once say that I would be one of those people? No, we have a console healer in our HM Titan fights every night and he does just fine, but even he complains about the lag during most other high profile fights with a lot of people.

The fact that you decided to jump on my ass for stating a fact proves that YOU'RE the one with a problem here, not me sir/madam.

Besides, you're the one trying awfully hard to split hairs and overlook the obvious truths. And game crashes happen to both platforms regardless, driver problems just make certain ones appear more often but they'll eventually be fixed or people can rollback to an earlier one, can you do that with the PS3 or upgrade it's hardware? Not without buying a PS4.

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Originally Posted by Ryuko

Is the server only sending me information about models 'close' to me? This is extremely problematic. In some other games, all model information was still 'sent' to you, but your game would decide how many models it could handle on the screen at once (thus allowing you to prioritize certain types like I said earlier). Granted, there are a LOT of people in one area at once. I'm not sure how sending me information about every single one would do... I predict a lot more Coerthas zone crashes.

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yea im not toally sure, but i think its only sending you the closet say like 100 things, prettymuch all games do this. or they will atleast send you the data but your client will only then render so many.

it definatly does need to be customisable what you see though, not being able to see fate bosses but 3 millions pets is dumb.

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Originally Posted by Ryuko

Is the server only sending me information about models 'close' to me? This is extremely problematic. In some other games, all model information was still 'sent' to you, but your game would decide how many models it could handle on the screen at once (thus allowing you to prioritize certain types like I said earlier). Granted, there are a LOT of people in one area at once. I'm not sure how sending me information about every single one would do... I predict a lot more Coerthas zone crashes.

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Currently as others have pointed out the way they have it coded is giving priority to the wrong things, which is why you'll see people you aren't grouped with while your whole team is offscreen entirely along with the boss. Most times even when you're in the boss' face you still wont see it or even the AoE markers on the ground.

But yeah, unlike GW2 SE hasn't quite made it work right.

If they were to give us an option as to whom we would rather see during these fights it would make things go a lot smoother, no sense being able to see anyone other than your actual team and the boss.

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Originally Posted by Superseed

This seems to be a touchy subject for people. Let people run their FC's / Groups the way they want to. If they don't want to play with PS3 users, that's their right. I also will not party or invite knowingly a PS3 user to my FC simply because they are not playing the game to the optimal limit. In HM Titan / Bahamut's Coil we need people to have a good frame rate, good coordination and excellent execution of their abilities which I feel is hindered by controller / PS3 play. Racism only exists because people keep talking about it. Shut up and play.

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Ugh... I'm on PS3 and did HM Titan just fine.

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Originally Posted by SKYeXile

Yea but on a console i can play on a couch, be comfortable and use a controller, you cant do stuff like that on the more versatile and powerful PC...

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uhh...and why not?

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Originally Posted by SKYeXile

Yea but on a console i can play on a couch, be comfortable and use a controller, you cant do stuff like that on the more versatile and powerful PC...

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On a PC, I can use a controller if I want, a wireless keyboard/mouse, hook up my monitor to my tv, alt-tab and do cool things, and STILL not get performance issues ;)

This thread is a bit of a laugh.

Progression raiding will be difficult on the PS3, if only for the fact that you have to use a separate device to handle communications. It's doable, and certainly fine if you're just a listener, but I can't ever imagine a raid leader running on a PS3 unless they're mic's always on (and how annoying would that be). If you have to take your hand off a controller for push-to-talk, you can't react to what's happening on-screen. I don't care how good of a player you are, that's adding to your reaction timing. Is endgame doable in a situation like this? Sure. Will it have a high learning-curve that a lot of players will struggle with? Highly likely.

The rest of the game outside of progression raiding? Very enjoyable on a PS3. My couch is quite comfy :).

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Originally Posted by ZyloWolfBane

Stuff.

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No, you are, because your reason for them being excluded is dumb, it may have limitations but none of them other then during FATES in any visible way outright puts a team at a disadvantage. and i have yet to run into a single problem caused by PS3 to PC players other then "omg this games looks so much prettier" in most cases games will perform better on a PC because well, it's PC it's componets can be changed at will, unlike consoles.

You were coming off as a douch because your "the people who play with you" comment as if i am bringing my team down on a ps3 which i am most certainly not. but you seem to be having issues when trying it, which is a personal problem. That type of stuff depends on player skill. has very little to do with systems.

In other words, the egotism PC players are having towards PS3 is meaningless and outright retarded.

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Originally Posted by Superseed

This seems to be a touchy subject for people. Let people run their FC's / Groups the way they want to. If they don't want to play with PS3 users, that's their right. I also will not party or invite knowingly a PS3 user to my FC simply because they are not playing the game to the optimal limit. In HM Titan / Bahamut's Coil we need people to have a good frame rate, good coordination and excellent execution of their abilities which I feel is hindered by controller / PS3 play. Racism only exists because people keep talking about it. Shut up and play.

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I healed HM Titan on my girl's account with an old 40GB PS3. Took 4 tries. Why? My fellows PC users kept getting smacked off the stage. You're just bad with a controller. Keep hating things your small mind can't comprehend.I've seen it all now that I read your post, at its finest ladies & gents.

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Originally Posted by Vayastrike

uhh...and why not?

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*sighs*

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Originally Posted by Vayastrike

uhh...and why not?

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Originally Posted by KentuckyWildcat

On a PC, I can use a controller if I want, a wireless keyboard/mouse, hook up my monitor to my tv, alt-tab and do cool things, and STILL not get performance issues ;)

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*sighs*

On a PC i can subtlety post sarcastic comments console users always use as flawed arguments as to why consoles are better than PC. :)

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Originally Posted by SKYeXile

*sighs*

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ok that's not a response..but everything you said can be done on a pc.

Ignorance is bliss.

Well for me it's simple fear of change. I'm not saying I hate console players, just that I am seriously concerned for the future of PC's. I make a living on my PC developing .net code and working with Microsoft Sharepoint. Everything I know how to do to make ends meet is on this PC of mine. It just also happens to be how I game. The current market as of 4 years ago seem to be shifting to a future where PC's would die. Stores like best buy stopped selling Computer Cases, Trimmed down their power supply stock, etc. Walmart stopped carrying Graphics Cards... The overall consumer demand for PC's has gone down. And if it wasn't for Gaming Consoles being as powerful as they are the demand for PC's would still be high just from gamers.

I for one, am a tech guru, capable of building my own computers, building websites, developing software, I've done work in c, c++, x86 assembly, you name it. And the concept of me having to use some cloud based laptop to develop software on terrifies me. There could come a day when I need to spend 10,000$ on a powerful computer to develop with because the demand is so low. But that's only a piece of the problem. The cloud is rising, Virtualization is rising, (e.g. CloudShare), cloud based gaming is rising, tablets and cloud connected laptops will be the primary computer source for everyone 10 years from now. A future where people have a room in their house with a desk in it with a big beefy powerful desktop computer on it is disappearing.

I feel like an endangered species.

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Originally Posted by SoopaMan2K

Ugh... I'm on PS3 and did HM Titan just fine.

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Congrats, on the kill!

You still missed my point completely.

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Originally Posted by Vayastrike

uhh...and why not?

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Originally Posted by SKYeXile

*sighs*

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Skyexile please see:

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Originally Posted by KentuckyWildcat

On a PC, I can use a controller if I want, a wireless keyboard/mouse, hook up my monitor to my tv, alt-tab and do cool things, and STILL not get performance issues ;)

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Good job picking the weakest response to criticize with your weakest possible reply.

When I see things like this I cannot help but point out its the moment someone knows they're wrong and decides to do anything they can to not accept it.

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Originally Posted by DivineOracle

You were coming off as a douch because your "the people who play with you" comment as if i am bringing my team down on a ps3 which i am most certainly not. but you seem to be having issues when trying it, which is a personal problem. That type of stuff depends on player skill. has very little to do with systems.

In other words, the egotism PC players are having towards PS3 is meaningless and outright retarded.

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Again, stating a fact. Just because YOU think you're not a hinderance doesn't mean everyone else agrees, it's not a DOUCHE thing to say (At least spell it right damn), it's simply a fact. You're assuming everyone is perfectly happy with your performance and you can't possibly know that, which means you're 100% full of yourself and thinking that because your personal experience is "Ok" by your standards that it somehow makes it a blanketed fact that the PS3 isn't inferior.

So, again, you have the problem.

I haven't seen this but if that's how they want to make a FC, who cares? It's no different than FC's organized around sexual preferences or whatever other craziness people found a FC around.


I wouldn't hold being a console user against anyone but I am kind of disappointed that this game was ever made for consoles. MMORPGs are PC games. They are best on PCs. This game's design is tainted in a lot of ways to make it playable on an outdated console with a controller that's not ideal for the way MMORPGs usually flow. Just because something can be done passably doesn't mean it should be done, when the alternative is perfection.


They didn't do a terrible job with it, but I'd still prefer a PC only game with all of the richness and robustness of a typical PC-only MMORPG.


Just my opinion. I'm sure people who don't have PCs don't quite agree. ;)

Y U no see sarcasm FFXIV community?

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Originally Posted by ZyloWolfBane

Rage.

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If I am not at a hinderance what does that say? if i have no issues then that means any normal human won't have issues if they actually learn how to use it, how the hell is that full of my self. PS3 pad appears to be to complicated for some people. and i guess you are one of them? and when did i assume everyone was perfectly happy with it? Stop putting words in my mouth. you failed again at reading and did not see what i am trying to tell you.

so i'll say it again for you as i am not about to go pages arguing with some guy over PC vs PS3 performance. PS3 issues do not make any noticible hinderences to PC players, as such there is no reason to not play with one just because they use that system did you get all that? i hope so.

It's worth noting that for every bad PS3 player, there's a bad PC player (maybe more). Bad players are always bad players, regardless of the system. The mouse/keyboard setup is traditional, tested, and already learned by a lot of players, whereas game pad is not. A bad player on a traditional setup will have an edge over a good player on a game pad, but that will change with time. I think we'll see a lot of extremely good PS3 players before all is said and done.

I do have to wonder a bit if Japan has a lot of players on PS3. I wonder if they have similar debates...

I actually think all of the PC "elitists" in here are projecting. All of them who say things like, "I would never let you in to my Titan HM runs!" aren't even on those fights yet. It's pretty obvious they've discovered they aren't the awesome players they thought they were and are now trying to force a bunch of people below them in order to make themselves feel better.

I mean, look at Kentucky Wildcat. He's using level 28 and 38 accessories, a level 42 axe, and hasn't even completed the story, but here he is saying all these other people suck just by virtue of playing on a different system. So if you want to talk about "clearing content effectively," maybe you should look at yourself first.

I have never actually seen a shout for PC players only while playing the game.

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Originally Posted by ZyloWolfBane

Again, stating a fact. Just because YOU think you're not a hinderance doesn't mean everyone else agrees, it's not a DOUCHE thing to say (At least spell it right damn), it's simply a fact. You're assuming everyone is perfectly happy with your performance and you can't possibly know that, which means you're 100% full of yourself and thinking that because your personal experience is "Ok" by your standards that it somehow makes it a blanketed fact that the PS3 isn't inferior.

So, again, you have the problem.

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Don't act so elite just because you're on a PC, like some of us. Go talk to all those bad wow players since wow is pc only and we still have tons of bad players. It doesn't matter if a player uses a pc or a ps3, if they're bad then they're bad and if they're good that's great. What's a hindrance to a group is the overall performance, because I'm dam sure there are a ton of bad pc players here too.

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Originally Posted by nameis2

Don't act so elite just because you're on a PC, like some of us. Go talk to all those bad wow players since wow is pc only and we still have tons of bad players. It doesn't matter if a player uses a pc or a ps3, if they're bad then they're bad and if they're good that's great. What's a hindrance to a group is the overall performance, because I'm dam sure there are a ton of bad pc players here too.

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Big difference between bad players as a whole, and people using a platform/control style that adds to the problem simply because they refuse to admit that their chosen playstyle isn't as optimum as a keyboard/mouse on a well built PC.

It's like trying to argue that "Clickers" or "Keyboard turners" are equally capable as people who use macros and hotkeys, are you going to try and defend that too?

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Originally Posted by JyoonB

I healed HM Titan on my girl's account with an old 40GB PS3. Took 4 tries. Why? My fellows PC users kept getting smacked off the stage. You're just bad with a controller. Keep hating things your small mind can't comprehend.I've seen it all now that I read your post, at its finest ladies & gents.

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Once again some other PS3 user seem to misunderstand what I'm saying in my post. I have no disrespect for any PS3 player, play how you want to. I simply will not invite someone I know is on PS3 because I limit my player pool to those on PC. It's my choice and you're making me out to be an elitist or something by stating my preferences. I'm sure there are plenty of PS3 players that are skilled and capable.

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Originally Posted by Superseed

Once again some other PS3 user seem to misunderstand what I'm saying in my post. I have no disrespect for any PS3 player, play how you want to. I simply will not invite someone I know is on PS3 because I limit my player pool to those on PC. It's my choice and you're making me out to be an elitist or something by stating my preferences. I'm sure there are plenty of PS3 players that are skilled and capable.

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Don't try and argue with them, I tried to make the same statement and it became an argument as to why I'm a douche for explaining why PC players might not want PS3 players in their groups.

Logic and basic human reasoning are not present here.

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Originally Posted by ZyloWolfBane

Don't try and argue with them, I tried to make the same statement and it became an argument as to why I'm a douche for explaining why PC players might not want PS3 players in their groups.

Logic and basic human reasoning are not present here.

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You're being extremely condescending in your posts, I feel like you're edging them on. We all pay for the same game, voicing your displeasure publicly in such a manner is going to yield lashback.

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Originally Posted by Superseed

You're being extremely condescending in your posts, I feel like you're edging them on. We all pay for the same game, voicing your displeasure publicly in such a manner is going to yield lashback.

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Eh, if people refuse to actually read what I say instead of attacking me then beating them over the head verbally till they get it will suffice. If that comes off as condescending then maybe they should use their brains and read before posting.

I'm not going to lie. I'm on PS3 and I see it now, that the 24 man raids are going to be bad. Maybe not too bad as FATEs where there's damn near 50+ people. Good thing I will get this on PS4 for free so, I have my first PS4 game already.

I'm not sure what's so hard to understand: There would not be a PS3 version if you could not complete all the content on it. They made each and every dungeon, quest, instance, and battle with both KB/M and controller in mind. AK? Titan HM? Bahamut's Coil? All of it can be done on the PS3.

Saying that you don't want PS3 players in your FC is an absurd amount of pointless elitism. But maybe that's a good thing, since that means we never have to deal with you? Because God knows there would be other things twisting your knickers. I can just imagine it... "Sorry but we don't allow left handed players." "I don't run dungeons with people older than 35." "Do you live in Wyoming? Yes? *leave*"

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Originally Posted by Voqar

This game's design is tainted in a lot of ways to make it playable on an outdated console with a controller that's not ideal for the way MMORPGs usually flow. Just because something can be done passably doesn't mean it should be done, when the alternative is perfection.

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I absolutely hate this side of the argument.

I play on the PC, and I use a controller. I can easily switch between 3~4sets of macros without wasting time (micro-managing between the GCD and not losing DPS or Healing time), and I 100% guarantee you I would be fumbling over myself if I tried to do that with a keyboard and mouse. Targeting issues? My mouse is literally inches away from me, and if needed I can instant target someone and cure with my left hand. It's not the tools you have, but how you utilize them to your maximum efficiency.

I'm also part of the FGC (Fighting Game Community), and a similar argument appears there too: gamepads vs. arcade sticks. In the end, the performance comes down to the individual, never the tool you're using.

To be fair, there are games/genres that have clear and superior methods of playing them. Starcraft comes to mind -- I couldn't see a gamepad user micro-managing just as well as a mouse/keyboard user.

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I'm also part of the FGC (Fighting Game Community), and a similar argument appears there too: gamepads vs. arcade sticks. In the end, the performance comes down to the individual, never the tool you're using.

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This is exactly how I feel about that situation.

Its not PC vs PS3 its, PC vs console, the pc vs console wars have been going on since forever nothing new.

So....um....what happens when PS4 version launches? >.> I'm all for consoles AND PC's, played XI on PS3 (60GB version), up until Seekers nipped PS out of the picture. I thoroughly enjoy both XI and XIV on PC just fine, preferring gamepad either way though as that's what I'm just accustomed to. So truthfully if I were to play on PC and use KB/Mouse combo, I really feel I'd be hindering rather than helping my groups lol. I will say though, after playing XI on PC and adjusting graphics, dayuuuum...had no idea what I was missing there xD. I love story/gameplay, but a sharp picture is always appreciated :) Aaaaand I'll end it with this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DmYLrxR0Y8

I don't particularly care how others play. I play on PC, but utilize an XBox 360 controller for most gameplay issues, and if precision targeting is needed, I can quickly reach for the mouse, acquire target of desire, and even punch in a key command before going back to the controller. I refuse to out a PS3 player simply because he's able to accomplish the same thing without buying a computer. Good on him. If you plan to get hardcore into raiding/tanking/healing, it may not be a terrible idea to look into a PS3 compatible KB/Mouse (I'm certain they exist), but even without, it's quite possible. They may wish to dive a bit deeper into the macro system for ease and speed, but the tools are there to accommodate both players. You can even enable mouse control on your controller, which was actually surprisingly fluid, given practice.