Sell Fantasia on the Mogstation

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Originally Posted by makii

One thing will lead to another, that's how it starts.

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I'd like to place at least a bit of trust in them.
For all the speeches that Yoshi-P has done about 'not going free to play' and keeping the game on a subscription model, I'd say you'll have no worries about Cash Shop game breakers.

As this game doesn't have investors, it's coming out of the companies pocket, they don't need to make a quick buck off of items such as the likes Guild Wars 2 offered. There is no-one demanding a return on their investment, the long haul of subscriptions (should numbers stay high) would cover the development for this game and beyond over a long period of time. FFXI is the perfect example, the profits from subscriptions made Square Enix filthy rich.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

True as that may be, an option to change your characters race and such things is strictly not pay to win.
I'll object when they start charging for stuff like exp boosts, special mounts/pets, cashshop vanity gear, and things like that. Character redesigns and server transfers aren't game breaking nor do they bring any exclusive content to buyers. You need to set reasonable boundaries.

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The problem is p2w is subjective as is what is "reasonable", I have seen this in other games people saying blablabla it not p2w, it doesn't affect others and then 2 years later the same people are bemoaning the xp stones, raid timer bypasses etc etc and claiming it's p2w and wondering why there has been remarked decrease in people actually partying together.

Slippery Slope, this is a p2p game lets leave it at that. This is not to say I am against these things some of you want, I just want it added in an intelligent fashion, I never played WOW and never will because p2p and cash shop= equals no no and it's people that encourage this kind of thing which has led to truly subpar games like Neverwinter, STO etc etc.

Add these thing but make it content we will get access to via our normal MONTHLY SUB like it should be.

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Originally Posted by Asmodeus

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the thing with the games you listed is that none of them are actually P2P games -- they've been marketed as F2P cash shop from the get-go. you say you never played wow and that's kind of ironic, as that game is probably the closest example of a cash shop done right, where the only items it offers are cosmetic things that have zero effect on gameplay. selling character recustomization is completely harmless and isn't going to all of a sudden lead to B2W. it might lead to mounts/minions you can buy with real cash, but nothing significant to your gameplay experience. this isn't a f2p MMO so the devs don't need to nickle and dime you with some mandatory cash shop -- they're already getting their subscriber's money each month.

I would love to redo my characters looks from time to time. I'm already set to go on my first fantasia.

I'd prefer to have it cost seals or some other grinding type means in game. I wouldn't like paying real money for it, but if they had to choose that path I don't think I could pay more than $5 for it.

I wish this button would work
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Originally Posted by Stormsoul

the thing with the games you listed is that none of them are actually P2P games -- they've been marketed as F2P cash shop from the get-go. you say you never played wow and that's kind of ironic, as that game is probably the closest example of a cash shop done right, where the only items it offers are cosmetic things that have zero effect on gameplay. selling character recustomization is completely harmless and isn't going to all of a sudden lead to B2W. it might lead to mounts/minions you can buy with real cash, but nothing significant to your gameplay experience. this isn't a f2p MMO so the devs don't need to nickle and dime you with some mandatory cash shop -- they're already getting their subscriber's money each month.

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Maybe for Neverwinter, I threw that one in there because it's recent, but STO did not start off as a F2P game neither did DDO or Swtor etc etc and look where those have gone.


Like I said there will always be someone to say it's not p2w to them because it is just XYZ but to another that XYZ may be p2w. For example if your the kind that wants to enjoy owning every type of pet or mount yet some are cash shop only it then becomes p2w for that type of player.

For me if I pay a sub it's because I want to have access to ALL the CONTENT available with out being nickle and dimed, that includes things like storage, pets, mounts, cosmetics etc etc. IF any of this not available via my monthly sub then wth am I paying for?

If I am going to have to pay via a cash shop for these things even though I am already paying a monthly sub they might as well turn this into a f2p game because that is what it will be in my eyes no matter how it is worded or how they try to "spin it" to me.

You know some f2p cash shop games start out okay but they all gth eventually and worse thing is they use the same excuse that the items are not necessary to play the game or complete it etc, it's only for "convenience". -Slippery Slope

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Welp, I just called SE to charge me so I can get Fantasia, but they said "NOPE, wait 25 days." I also asked him if they will add Fantasia or other services to the Moogle station but he said there is no information about it... =.=

I was actually annoyed when they said they were extending the free period because of the server issues. "Nooooo! Take my money! I want my Fantasia now!"

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Originally Posted by Lucipurr

Welp, I just called SE to charge me so I can get Fantasia, but they said "NOPE, wait 25 days." I also asked him if they will add Fantasia or other services to the Moogle station but he said there is no information about it... =.=

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Support won't know anything about future services.
If the service doesn't exist or is 'planned to be launched soon' they'll have no idea if it even exists.

Your best just waiting for the community rep's to answer this thread.

1 Fantasia as an one-timer (for 1.0 accounts a two-timer) and the barber shop (that would cost gil) for the rest of the time should be enough.

Appearence doesnt give you an advantage so it just Sounds like a bunch of broke people commenting on here

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Originally Posted by Felis

1 Fantasia as an one-timer (for 1.0 accounts a two-timer) and the barber shop (that would cost gil) for the rest of the time should be enough.

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You can't change your race/gender with a barber shop.
If you're stuck with a character you don't like, it kinda ruins the game. I personally want to go back to Male Miqo'te or Male Highlander.

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Originally Posted by Nales

Appearence doesnt give you an advantage so it just Sounds like a bunch of broke people commenting on here

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Replies like this one sound like spoiled children with moms credit card missing the point.
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You can also use gametime card and get fantasia now.

But I'd personally really enjoy something like 1 week cooldown. Wouldn't feel so ripoff when I like to change race often.

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Originally Posted by Tsaza

You can also use gametime card and get fantasia now.

But I'd personally really enjoy something like 1 week cooldown. Wouldn't feel so ripoff when I like to change race often.

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Unless like me, where you've already received, used and regretted the change.

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Originally Posted by Tsaza

You can also use gametime card and get fantasia now.

But I'd personally really enjoy something like 1 week cooldown. Wouldn't feel so ripoff when I like to change race often.

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NA can't charge now.

I have the biggest issue with how we are being taxed on ultimate game cards seriously for Canadians who only get $20 card. We can only add like 1840 crysta to our damn accounts because they are seriously taxing us on this crap. Can we please have time cards here in Canada because honestly I won't be resubscribing once my next 30 days run out because of this rip-off. Get time cards in Canada then I will be coming back.

Why not just add an in game item that can't be traded or sold on market and has a 30 day Cd on it? I know first 30days will give people a free one, but after that why not just make something in game and avoid micro transactions all together?

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Originally Posted by Luciendardc

Why not just add an in game item that can't be traded or sold on market and has a 30 day Cd on it? I know first 30days will give people a free one, but after that why not just make something in game and avoid micro transactions all together?

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As long as it isn't easy to obtain it might work.
I guess its up to Square Enix what to go for.

I really hope they bring this out, if anything sooner than later :(

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Originally Posted by iPlayBad

I guess f2p games have ruined me because I have no problem with paying cash for extra things like that. But why a cool down? If I pay 20 dollars every day for one, isn't that good for them?

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WKC2 did the same thing, had no limits but cost $10 to change your character, even name, but that was a F2P, which ended up dying.

Agreed, and signed. Would love to be able to change my character's appearance now and again, not harming anyone.

I wanna change my race already, again!

Would love a cooldown. I already used up my bottle and forgot to change the face and already look like a lesbian, or that android from Alien Resurrection, as you can see.
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My biggest desire right now is for an optional name change with "Fantasia". I really can't see myself using it to change my race, unless I can change my name too. Somehow it seems really strange for a female character to turn into a male and still keep her name, same with a male to female. It only seems right that we be able to change our names with it to match our new appearance.

Yes. We need another way to get Fantasia, be it via in game (crafting them with ridiculous mats), be it in Optional Services, w/e. It's sucks to know that you can only change your appearance once (idk about legacy players, so the only way getting this is via vetaran rewards), and then for the rest of the game's life you're stuck with that face.

There's always be a case, "Oh I want a new look!" "Damn I wished I choosed X Race!" etc.

Name Change also a necessary, I don't want to see female player with name "John Smith" running around the city just because they can only change the appearances but not the name. lol.

Better yet, give us free Fantasia pot for every X months we're subscribed. huehjuheuheuhueh

I want to know how appearance change or name services are P2W, and why they must be limited to F2P games even tho WoW does it and is P2P. People need to think things through. It doesn't even need to be selling of fantasia, they could just do it from the mogstation/account management, Just-like-WoW. Should be easy since they wan't to do damn near everything else Just-Like-WoW too.

Can I sell the 2 I have now? I'm never going to use it o.o it's just taking up space :P

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Originally Posted by DivineOracle

WKC2 did the same thing, had no limits but cost $10 to change your character, even name, but that was a F2P, which ended up dying.

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Yet people ignore the fact that P2P MMOs offer the same service and haven't failed.
There's a reason the word 'optional' is there

Once they start selling ingame gear/items THEN we have a problem.
If its just world transfers/appearance changes well be fine.


Being able to change from a Miqo'te to a Highlander won't break the game.

Eh, this falls under account services. It's been offered in other P2P MMORPGs and is completely acceptable.

Hmm.. After thinking about it, before/if they add this, SE should give 2.0's their free phials first.

We should all be on equal footing before they start adding additional services.

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Originally Posted by EmeraldSerenade

Hmm.. After thinking about it, before/if they add this, SE should give 2.0's their free phials first.

We should all be on equal footing before they start adding additional services.

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That was my guess, that a service like this might not roll around until 2.1 's barber shop. So that everyone will have used or considered using their Fantasia. That'd be November/December.

I agree, TC. A buyable Fantasia potion would be amazing.

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Originally Posted by Asmodeus

Maybe for Neverwinter, I threw that one in there because it's recent, but STO did not start off as a F2P game neither did DDO or Swtor etc etc and look where those have gone.


Like I said there will always be someone to say it's not p2w to them because it is just XYZ but to another that XYZ may be p2w. For example if your the kind that wants to enjoy owning every type of pet or mount yet some are cash shop only it then becomes p2w for that type of player.

For me if I pay a sub it's because I want to have access to ALL the CONTENT available with out being nickle and dimed, that includes things like storage, pets, mounts, cosmetics etc etc. IF any of this not available via my monthly sub then wth am I paying for?If I am going to have to pay via a cash shop for these things even though I am already paying a monthly sub they might as well turn this into a f2p game because that is what it will be in my eyes no matter how it is worded or how they try to "spin it" to me.You know some f2p cash shop games start out okay but they all gth eventually and worse thing is they use the same excuse that the items are not necessary to play the game or complete it etc, it's only for "convenience". -Slippery Slope

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I agree with this completely. Maybe I want access to all the mounts and pets in the game, and everything cosmetic. :P I shouldn't have to pay real money for it. This is a subscription game, and it's why I prefer subscription games.

Maybe they could offer a bottle of fantasia every 3-4 months or something with the veteran rewards. That way you get what you want, and so do I. :P

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Originally Posted by AlyssaImagine

I agree with this completely. Maybe I want access to all the mounts and pets in the game, and everything cosmetic. :P I shouldn't have to pay real money for it. This is a subscription game, and it's why I prefer subscription games.

Maybe they could offer a bottle of fantasia every 3-4 months or something with the veteran rewards. That way you get what you want, and so do I. :P

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Yet they still charge for world transfers.

I can guarantee that the price is there as a premium (yet optional) service, it really doesn't cost Square Enix anything near the amount they charge to transfer servers, as such a small volume of data from one server to another, not even in labour or administration costs would hit even a 20th if that amount.
That's why they would use a cash exchange to reduce the frequency of people buying and using them, adding a cool down to it would help as well.

"Oh dear it's £20 a bottle, I'd better think this through carefully".
Square Enix gain money whilst remaining a degree of consistency in world, as people simply won't pay for a service like this every week.


Ingame items are easily to obtain, and seeing as these Phials were meant to be a 'one off' thing, I only realistically see them adding it as a charges service.

If it was an ingame item, I'd be over the moon, but it'd never happen.


(However this is my opinion not fact)

please implement this square! :(

I'd gladly grind for more of these :P I have already used both.

Probably Grand Company seals would be best? just like the stat reset 10k/piece sounds reasonable. It's easy but not that easy, plus you can only have one at a time.

Well I'd like to use one now. :(

On the one hand, the slippery slope principle is a sad truth that people fall for constantly, all the while disgustingly insisting that there's no such thing.

But a highly restricted yet available means of obtaining something like this wouldn't be a bad thing. As suggested prior-no less than $20, month-long cooldown, etc. Enough that the option is available, but no one would ever waste time or resources pursuing it unless they absolutely wanted to.

Besides, Square Enix has a long history of unfinished ventures. They added jack to *PlayOnline after launching it, and all the of Play Arts/Trading Arts/Monster Collections fall grossly short of encompassing as much as they could. In this case, it does them good; if they opened a cash shop with this one item, chances are they wouldn't slide down that slope.

*Granted, PlayOnline was largely unpopular, but I liked it. Several years later Steam comes out and does largely the same thing, and it's a smash hit, but leaves me wary.

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Originally Posted by Jamesruglia

On the one hand, the slippery slope principle is a sad truth that people fall for constantly, all the while disgustingly insisting that there's no such thing.

But a highly restricted yet available means of obtaining something like this wouldn't be a bad thing. As suggested prior-no less than $20, month-long cooldown, etc. Enough that the option is available, but no one would ever waste time or resources pursuing it unless they absolutely wanted to.

Besides, Square Enix has a long history of unfinished ventures. They added jack to *PlayOnline after launching it, and all the of Play Arts/Trading Arts/Monster Collections fall grossly short of encompassing as much as they could. In this case, it does them good; if they opened a cash shop with this one item, chances are they wouldn't slide down that slope.

*Granted, PlayOnline was largely unpopular, but I liked it. Several years later Steam comes out and does largely the same thing, and it's a smash hit, but leaves me wary.

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It was unpopular because it was hideously slow and cumbersome, those memory constraints for loading in data made it EXCRUCIATINGLY slow.

But back on track, I agree. $20 or in and around would be perfect. Just a simple optional service, no fuss, no frill, nothing extra.
Just what we want.