did we ever get a flood of information?

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Originally Posted by sharazisspecial

GW2 has tons of voice acting so its story its already 10x better for me because auditory and i hate reading all that text. Like when i my npc buddy talk i feel more connected to them then freaking badaran with illegible pirate speaking or that npc who speaks 5 lines for every 1 a normal person would.

I like my npcs to have a voice. Instead of mute and blocks of text. I would really like more voice acting in FFXIV . I really liked that english voice of the thm taru .

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well voice acting does not make a game better anytime ;XD

i myself like it, that you sometimes have text dialogues like in old FF's (which have been the best btw) well at least in ARR regular quests are visualized in "Bubbles" not in a block of quest text window like in WoW or whatever. that made it always different (for me).

There has got to be a massive amount of final fantasy fans not playing the game due to its current state.

ARR is a chance to win these people back, I guess converting people from other MMOs would be tough and is where the initial development team went wrong. (Jack of all trades a master of none). Also from my brief time playing GW2, there is alot of "WOW has this .... Diablo has this... " I do not believe that you could ever make these particular people happy.

I guess any improvements need to appeal to existing final fantasy fans first. If they like what you have to offer, it will make it an easier sell to get friends/ family to try it out as well. It's about going back to your roots, your fanbase and getting them on board first and foremost.

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

You would chose a dumb ass AI over full control over a character that you could build yourself?

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Yes, because while FFXIII was very problematic, it wasn't completely awful, like FFVIII was.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

An RPG is indeed defined by story (Role-Playing Game..how do you get into a role of someone with no storyline?), well back when people actually were able to read and comprehend storylines in video games, these days sure an RPG isn't defined by story.

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The Wizardry franchise would like a word with you. Also plenty of RPGs think of gameplay first story later. Hell, a bunch of FFs do this.

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Originally Posted by Orophin

I guess I'm just too old school. I grew up with Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest. Dragon Quest started developing good stories around DQ4, IMO.

I do agree with your statement on FF8 though, I couldn't stand that game.

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SMT started in like 92, lol. The motherseries started sometime in the 80s.

You play an ff mmo for the Story , immersion and Graphics. (most certainly not for its terrible gameplay, mechanics and boring fights)

Voice acting improves story and immersion. That imperial guy would be more epic if he had a badass voice. I would feel for more characters if i could hear there voice . You also get more understand of emotions they are trying to convey. The world feels alot more alive and less like a game if people are talking instead of blocks of text.

Pirates of limsa are freaking annoying with all their on purpose spelling mistakes. Seriously a real life pirate would write proper sentences they wouldn't write their accent into their text.

I also dislike the mouth flapping with no sound coming out. Looks really dumb.

Though many people can live without this its a big negative for me .

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Originally Posted by sharazisspecial

Pirates of limsa are freaking annoying with all their on purpose spelling mistakes. Seriously a real life pirate would write proper sentences they wouldn't write their accent into their text.

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I hate Limsa for that reason alone. I know some people are pirate fans but my god I refuse to read anything that comes out of their mouth - I read the quest summary instead or use the map.

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Originally Posted by Ruisu

Yes, because while FFXIII was very problematic, it wasn't completely awful, like FFVIII was.

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Both are pretty awful games. At the very least VIII had a decent soundtrack.

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Originally Posted by Isaveron

Both are pretty awful games. At the very least VIII had a decent soundtrack.

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As did XIII and XIII-2. VIII had only a few tracks that was even worth listening to and you rarely hear them.

Is there any room for the argument that I'd rather not know every single thing in advance? I mean, I haven't been playing XIV since launch, so I don't feel this heavy betrayal that a lot of folks do about 1.x though I guess I can kinda understand it.

Not to get all crotchety and back in my day... about it but.........
Maybe this has changed with MMOs, but it used to be that we got excited about figuring games out while we were playing them. Now it's like no one wants to try a piece of content unless there are multiple published strategies for it, and the leet players bounce after 2 deaths because they don't want the stink of noob on them.

IDK, I guess I'd rather feel like a new player than a hateful jaded one who probably should have quit XIV a long time ago rather than waited around until ARR and demand everything but a free lunch from SE.

Probably a different argument.

I'd rather not know.

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Originally Posted by AzuraSin

Is there any room for the argument that I'd rather not know every single thing in advance? I mean, I haven't been playing XIV since launch, so I don't feel this heavy betrayal that a lot of folks do about 1.x though I guess I can kinda understand it.

Not to get all crotchety and back in my day... about it but.........
Maybe this has changed with MMOs, but it used to be that we got excited about figuring games out while we were playing them. Now it's like no one wants to try a piece of content unless there are multiple published strategies for it, and the leet players bounce after 2 deaths because they don't want the stink of noob on them.

IDK, I guess I'd rather feel like a new player than a hateful jaded one who probably should have quit XIV a long time ago rather than waited around until ARR and demand everything but a free lunch from SE.

Probably a different argument.

I'd rather not know.

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+1

We're on the same page.

I don't even like watching the strategy videos that everyone insists on watching before they ever even attempt new content...

We're on the same server Molly. We should hang out.

We almost did once, when you ditched an SB/XP party I was in because it was a gong show lol

I was like GDI I JUST WANT TO GET MY BRD TO 50 ................... ><

The OP is not asking about whether or not YOU want to know about information. What OP is asking is IF a flood of information, as promised by SE, happened.

@ OP, IMO ... No, because there is nothing tangible atm.

PS: /wave Molly ^^ <3

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Originally Posted by AzuraSin

We're on the same server Molly. We should hang out.

We almost did once, when you ditched an SB/XP party I was in because it was a gong show lol

I was like GDI I JUST WANT TO GET MY BRD TO 50 ................... ><

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lol sorry, was it in (or on the way to) the wolf camp? 'cause those really try my patience sometimes. :P

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Originally Posted by Elexia

I remember when Alpha was the end of september - early october and beta would be after the servers goes offline.

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Well... 2 weeks ago SE was hoping to get Alpha up and running before Haloweeen..... I hope so.

It is clear that bringing up the new servers with the test game is causing problems. The test game is nothing new. Just a place holder on the server. Sooooo.... the problem is with the servers themselves.

Regardless, everything stops on November 1 and comes down November 11.

Beta can't even start until Alpha has concluded successfully. Sooooo... expect Beta to start before Christmas.... assuming there is not a serious flaw in the servers. Remember these servers are expected to run the Next Gen version when it comes out. These new servers are highly experimental.

OK... So Beta is going to take 2-3 months, conservatively. This means A Realm Reborn may not get underway until next summer. Alas Alack... but this is reality...

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Originally Posted by sharazisspecial

Pirates of limsa are freaking annoying with all their on purpose spelling mistakes. Seriously a real life pirate would write proper sentences they wouldn't write their accent into their text.

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It's an environmental thing. If you're around pirates all the time, you're going to pick up on their mannerisms eventually. It's like living in different regions of the United States. I grew up in Arkansas, and you'd hear "ya'll" a lot. I've lived in Arizona for 12 years now and I've adapted to "you all" or "you guys", not so much because it's proper, but because it's what everyone else says and you pick up on it.

I took a trip back to Arkansas a few years back to catch up with some friends and listened to their accent and the way they talk and I thought to myself "This is how I used to talk?!". I even caught myself saying "ya'll" a couple times, just because I was back in my original setting and it felt natural.

Now that that's out of the way, I will agree, reading the pirate talk was REALLY annoying. Without voice acting though, there's no way SE could better convey how they imagined those NPCs would speak. It's easy to say you could leave it to the reader's imagination, but they wanted you to know how THEY wanted it to sound.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

lol sorry, was it in (or on the way to) the wolf camp? 'cause those really try my patience sometimes. :P

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Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeep you called it lol
And I totally don't fault you for it. That was a shit show. Pretty sure we never did make it to Wolf Camp.

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Originally Posted by Lurex

The OP is not asking about whether or not YOU want to know about information. What OP is asking is IF a flood of information, as promised by SE, happened.

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Thanks for clarifying?
Sorry for being subversive ... I was disagreeing with the premise/necessity of such a topic in the first place ... as I'm wont to do on these forums.

98% of the info we have received was already pretty obvious or they already told us. WoWHD you can have this, besides the job system that's the only thing different I see from GW2, WoW, and every other mmo out there.

HELL Secret World came out with more exciting news than FFXIV has all year. They are making ANIMATIONS BETTER not WORSE! Also adding real time combat like tera! Might have to try that game out now.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

98% of the info we have received was already pretty obvious or they already told us. WoWHD you can have this, besides the job system that's the only thing different I see from GW2, WoW, and every other mmo out there.

HELL Secret World came out with more exciting news than FFXIV has all year. They are making ANIMATIONS BETTER not WORSE! Also adding real time combat like tera! Might have to try that game out now.

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You've been quiet lately, whats up?

All I can hope is they really beef up their PR around beta since all this stuff right now is nice but it isn't the type of PR I was expecting. I love the demo runs and all that but it just doesn't seem enough for the entire audience. Like for me these stuff would get me hyped up but for players like say my wife she will just look at it and just go... so? it needs more impact!

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

You've been quiet lately, whats up?

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It was.... a nice vacation... >.<.

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Originally Posted by Orophin

Now that that's out of the way, I will agree, reading the pirate talk was REALLY annoying. Without voice acting though, there's no way SE could better convey how they imagined those NPCs would speak. It's easy to say you could leave it to the reader's imagination, but they wanted you to know how THEY wanted it to sound.

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They did such a good job I dont read it lol.

And the flood did not happen unless they consider recaps new information.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

They did such a good job I dont read it lol.

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Now the pirate talk It's hard to read it that way throughout 2 Paragraphs! :P. Its like every other word has a Err matey feeling to it. Its nice.. but they kinda overdid it with the whole pirate talk thing.. I usually just spam enter because reading it gives me a major headache! D:

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Originally Posted by Rokien

98% of the info we have received was already pretty obvious or they already told us. WoWHD you can have this, besides the job system that's the only thing different I see from GW2, WoW, and every other mmo out there.

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I wouldn't say "Only" thing different, because the other major difference from those games that you mention is that it is a FF title with FF fans to follow. Whether or not they will even be on board with ARR remains to be seen. Don't expect much.

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Originally Posted by Lurex

I wouldn't say "Only" thing different, because the other major difference from those games that you mention is that it is a FF title with FF fans to follow. Whether or not they will even be on board with ARR remains to be seen. Don't expect much.

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Oooo FF title! Let me just slap Final Fantasy on WoWs cover, there ya go, FF title. Just because it has FF elements(cheap ones mind you, instead of getting creative, they just looked at past ff games.) doesn't make it live up to FF11 standards.

This team has no creativity, period.

Ok, the devs have been really quiet, for like, a few weeks now. Give us something already =/

Idc, i'd rather them be busy working on the game than PR material.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

i would rather have his posts than the profanity directed towards someone else actually. some of us do have children that are old enough to read.

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Those children that are old enough to read and not old enough to play this game shouldn't be watching you read a forum for said game.

This forum isn't required to be at a "family friendly" standard, especially when the minimum age to play the game and post on the forums is 13.

Plus, #*&$^ doesn't really count as profanity. #*&%^ is not an actual word. While people are generally supposed to act civil towards eachother here, stuff does happen from time to time and it is your responsibility as a parent if you are one to ensure that your children aren't exposed to anything you don't want them exposed to- it's not *our* responsibility.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Those children that are old enough to read and not old enough to play this game shouldn't be watching you read a forum for said game.

This forum isn't required to be at a "family friendly" standard, especially when the minimum age to play the game and post on the forums is 13.

Plus, #*&$^ doesn't really count as profanity. #*&%^ is not an actual word. While people are generally supposed to act civil towards eachother here, stuff does happen from time to time and it is your responsibility as a parent if you are one to ensure that your children aren't exposed to anything you don't want them exposed to- it's not *our* responsibility.

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according to the tos then you are incorrect actually. rude or abusive comments are direct violations of the tos and profanity directed towards another member is exactly that.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

according to the tos then you are incorrect actually. rude or abusive comments are direct violations of the tos and profanity directed towards another member is exactly that.

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And it's up to SE to enforce the TOS, not up to us to protect your children. If a post offends you or anyone that can see your computer screen, then report that post. They do act on post reports. People are not going to get banned for letting their tongues slip here and there, but when people have clear intent to serve no other purpose other than to offend people it can happen.

I'm not legitimizing profanity here, I'm only pointing out that it's not everyone else's responsibility to protect your precious snowflakes. It is yours and yours alone.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

And it's up to SE to enforce the TOS, not up to us to protect your children. If a post offends you or anyone that can see your computer screen, then report that post. They do act on post reports. People are not going to get banned for letting their tongues slip here and there, but when people have clear intent to serve no other purpose other than to offend people it can happen.

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i know people tend to say things out of the way. i've done it myself and i'm not going to lie and say i haven't. it was a bit out of place though having my 6 year old who was sitting in my lap turn around and say "what is ...."

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

"what is ...."

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It means its a Rubber Ducky with a party hat on it's squeaky wittle head! :D

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Originally Posted by Starlord

It means its a Rubber Ducky with a party hat on it's squeaky wittle head! :D

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pretty much i just said "it's a word i better not hear you use"

and @alhan sorry if i came across rough. had to turn into a parent there for a moment.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

Oooo FF title! Let me just slap Final Fantasy on WoWs cover, there ya go, FF title. Just because it has FF elements(cheap ones mind you, instead of getting creative, they just looked at past ff games.) doesn't make it live up to FF11 standards.

This team has no creativity, period.

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Even the first Final Fantasy borrowed ideas from Dragon Quest, and other games that were inspired by D&D which was inspired by Tolkien and so on and so on.

Nihil novi nisi commune consensu.

ALMOST made a serious response to that post. Then noticed it's Rokien. Moving on...

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Originally Posted by Gokulo

ALMOST made a serious response to that post. Then noticed it's Rokien. Moving on...

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Well played sir.

"There are no new ideas. There are only new ways of making them felt." - -- Audre Lorde

as for the "expected flood" i would prefer the Dev team focus on making the game rather than pander to the whims of the forum. They will release more info in due process, i think Yoshi is smart for not releasing info on stuff untill he feels it is ready. if he released information for the sake of information then when they changed or tweaked it, the forums would go into another frenzy.

it seems thats all this forum does, fizz like a shaken bottle of pop. With the exceptions of a few level headed posters.

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Originally Posted by ZakarnRosewood

"There are no new ideas. There are only new ways of making them felt." - -- Audre Lorde

as for the "expected flood" i would prefer the Dev team focus on making the game rather than pander to the whims of the forum. They will release more info in due process, i think Yoshi is smart for not releasing info on stuff untill he feels it is ready. if he released information for the sake of information then when they changed or tweaked it, the forums would go into another frenzy.

it seems thats all this forum does, fizz like a shaken bottle of pop. With the exceptions of a few level headed posters.

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most of the problems people are going crazy over comes from limited information. they state they are changing something and are vague and only give partial information and people jump to conclusions both good and bad and then neither is happy when they get more details because they already have their minds set on what they expected.

if they want to give info it needs to be alot more precise than "we plan on changing this, but i can't tell you more information now" because that leads to debates and speculation and then anger when they find out they were wrong.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

most of the problems people are going crazy over comes from limited information. they state they are changing something and are vague and only give partial information and people jump to conclusions both good and bad and then neither is happy when they get more details because they already have their minds set on what they expected.

if they want to give info it needs to be alot more precise than "we plan on changing this, but i can't tell you more information now" because that leads to debates and speculation and then anger when they find out they were wrong.

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I might go so far as to say that people do not complain because they were given vague information upon which they built false expectations but rather that vague information is given to people because they complain which leads them to build false expectations.

>SE not rdy to release information because content is unfinalized
>player masses get angry because of lack of information
>SE releases tidbits of vague information to appease player demands
>players make false assumptions and expectation sbased on vague informations
>SE finalizes content and releases patch notes or official dev posts clarifying vague informations
>players complain about informations because they do not meet their expectations or standards
>start over at beginning ad infinum

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Originally Posted by Matsume

I might go so far as to say that people do not complain because they were given vague information upon which they built false expectations but rather that vague information is given to people because they complain which leads them to build false expectations.

>SE not rdy to release information because content is unfinalized
>player masses get angry because of lack of information
>SE releases tidbits of vague information to appease player demands
>players make false assumptions and expectation sbased on vague informations
>SE finalizes content and releases patch notes or official dev posts clarifying vague informations
>players complain about informations because they do not meet their expectations or standards
>start over at beginning ad infinum

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Yep this is exactly what happens 99.9% of the time!! :P

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Originally Posted by Matsume

I might go so far as to say that people do not complain because they were given vague information upon which they built false expectations but rather that vague information is given to people because they complain which leads them to build false expectations.

>SE not rdy to release information because content is unfinalized
>player masses get angry because of lack of information
>SE releases tidbits of vague information to appease player demands
>players make false assumptions and expectation sbased on vague informations
>SE finalizes content and releases patch notes or official dev posts clarifying vague informations
>players complain about informations because they do not meet their expectations or standards
>start over at beginning ad infinum

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ok in other words a terrible job by se and its pr department .... gotcha.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

most of the problems people are going crazy over comes from limited information. they state they are changing something and are vague and only give partial information and people jump to conclusions both good and bad and then neither is happy when they get more details because they already have their minds set on what they expected.

if they want to give info it needs to be alot more precise than "we plan on changing this, but i can't tell you more information now" because that leads to debates and speculation and then anger when they find out they were wrong.

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Agreed. This is why i dont like to see information for information's sake. i would rather a well thought out and properly translated and properly formed coherent update. something more official than the scraps of tidbits people glom on to out of lack of any better information. it would just be nice if people would calm down and realize the game is still being developed and to take information with a grain of salt.