Please Stop Genderlocking Gear

Please keep genderlocking gear, SE. I really dont like seeing more male viera wearing tangas and crop tops. 14 is a battle and story focused mmorpg and not a pride parade.

Meaningless comment. The genderlocking has already been softened enough such that anyone who wants to dress like that, will be dressing like that. This is an mmo he says. You're acting as if this is some sort of fashion theocracy. Insane.
Furthermore it is curious how you single out men dressing like that but are probably fine with females dressing scantily? The hypocrisy and sexism in that is mind boggling.

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Originally Posted by itachi-otsutsuki

Meaningless comment. The genderlocking has already been softened enough such that anyone who wants to dress like that, will be dressing like that. This is an mmo he says. You're acting as if this is some sort of fashion theocracy. Insane.
Furthermore it is curious how you single out men dressing like that but are probably fine with females dressing scantily? The hypocrisy and sexism in that is mind boggling.

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Meaningless comment? They commented on the topic of the thread. People are allowed to disagree if they want to.
Personally if it was just up to me, I also wouldn't wanna see men dressed like that. Same with women who I find ugly. But I want to dress how I want without being judge so I give everyone else the same courtesy.
But not wanting to see someone that you aren't attracted to be sexualized seems normal to me. Doesn't have to be hypocrisy or sexism. Just a preference.

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Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn

Meaningless comment? They commented on the topic of the thread. People are allowed to disagree if they want to.
Personally if it was just up to me, I also wouldn't wanna see men dressed like that. Same with women who I find ugly. But I want to dress how I want without being judge so I give everyone else the same courtesy.
But not wanting to see someone that you aren't attracted to be sexualized seems normal to me. Doesn't have to be hypocrisy or sexism. Just a preference.

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Did you not just say people defending lgbt people should ignore comments that are anti lgbt and now you’re attacking people defending lgbt people instead of just ignoring it? Get real, you’re just mad people are defending lgbt people. Otherwise you’d have followed your own advice and ignored it.

It is absolutely sexism when you argue to FORCE your hypocritical preferences on everyone. Can you really not see that?

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Originally Posted by Interitum

Did you not just say people defending lgbt people should ignore comments that are anti lgbt and now you’re attacking people defending lgbt people instead of just ignoring it? Get real, you’re just mad people are defending lgbt people. Otherwise you’d have followed your own advice and ignored it.

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I said to not make it political. This is in actual topic of the thread here. Both people who agree or disagree are allowed to voice their opinions.
I never even mentioned anything about LGBTQ at all. Stop trying to make all things political.

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Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn

I said to not make it political. This is in actual topic of the thread here. Both people who agree or disagree are allowed to voice their opinions.
I never even mentioned anything about LGBTQ at all. Stop trying to make all things political.

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But the person being responded to did. “ 14 is a battle and story focused mmorpg and not a pride parade.” You think that’s not political? Really?

Exactly, it becomes inherently a political topic when people don't think through their responses and show us what they really mean. Basically doing anti LGBT hate speech as their only argument for opposing lifting genderlocks. Like can they really not think of a better argument than hate speech, really?

Even if what you guys are saying is true and they meant it as an attack. Does that mean their opinion on the game is invalid?
I've always seen topics on forums to be like a vote. Some will agree, some will disagree. Majority wins.

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Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn

Even if what you guys are saying is true and they meant it as an attack. Does that mean their opinion on the game is invalid?
I've always seen topics on forums to be like a vote. Some will agree, some will disagree. Majority wins.

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It was obviously an attack. And once again you are not complaining about that guy making it political, only those who aren’t tolerating hate. Clearly you agree with him and are hiding behind the guise of wanting to remain apolitical. Stop pretending, it’s so obvious.

I mean yeah if it's hate speech it kinda of is invalid is it not? I am not a pro censorship guy so they can voice their opinions. Anyway what I meant was it was a foolish comment, it was extremely hypocritical and made no logical sense other than hating on gay people. That's not a constructive comment in this debate.

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Originally Posted by Interitum

It was obviously an attack. And once again you are not complaining about that guy making it political, only those who aren’t tolerating hate. Clearly you agree with him and are hiding behind the guise of wanting to remain apolitical. Stop pretending, it’s so obvious.

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Did I mention anything about their comment at the end? Nope. That's all you guys. I've been consistently talking about the right to disagree with the topic.
I already gave my stance for being pro gender unlock in game. I don't have to defend my political stance to random people online.

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Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn

Did I mention anything about their comment at the end? Nope. That's all you guys. I've been consistently talking about the right to disagree with the topic.
I already gave my stance for being pro gender unlock in game. I don't have to defend my political stance to random people online.

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That’s the point. The only people you are telling to stop talking is those refusing to tolerate hate.

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Originally Posted by Interitum

That’s the point. The only people you are telling to stop talking is those refusing to tolerate hate.

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When did I say to stop talking? I said to let people disagree when someone claimed it was a pointless comment.
Only thing I've said to stop talking about is politics.
With that, I am done with this convo. I wish you all a good day.

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Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn

When did I say to stop talking? I said to let people disagree when someone claimed it was a pointless comment.
Only thing I've said to stop talking about is politics.
With that, I am done with this convo. I wish you all a good day.

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You literally told people to stop talking about politics but you only told that to people not tolerating hate. When a person literally was hateful you ignored it and the person who called that person out you told them to stop talking about politics. So to you it’s okay to hate lgbt but you’d had better not stand up for them because that’s political. Lmao.

I didn't even realize there was a difference between the M and F version of the set until I saw this thread. This is such a bummer I hope they un-genderlock it

I'm just going to say this now:

unless you are a cishet white male in America, your existence is political, and it would be silly to deny it. Identity has very become a core of politics and capitalism in America, thus anything related something other than "the norm" is political. And gender expression is political. I'm sorry to the mods but trying to avoid politics on this is an absolutely fruitless effort as it is a part of identity and identity is a major part of politics.

I mostly suggest, to the mods, to get this up the ladder asap instead of... sitting around moderating a political discussion because, at the core of this, is the fact we all thought we were getting stockings, and that was a false advertisement (the first ever photo of this equipment is the patch notes showing a female aura), so at this point I would settle for any f FUTURE pictures showing major discreppencies in gender beforehand.

Though I would adore gender variants and genderlocking to stop entirely.

You know I'm happy to have gender locked gear....Jesus I'm so tired of gender neutral gear it look hideous like thanks for literally making semi hood gear....shame it doesn't have 2b boots cheeks but tiss good.

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Originally Posted by Majatok

People say this crap and then walk around like this. You do look cute though.

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Stay away from me satan. :monkaChrist:

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Originally Posted by Interitum

You literally told people to stop talking about politics but you only told that to people not tolerating hate. When a person literally was hateful you ignored it and the person who called that person out you told them to stop talking about politics. So to you it’s okay to hate lgbt but you’d had better not stand up for them because that’s political. Lmao.

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Alrighty looks like I lied. I have one more comment to give.
For starters, the don't speak about politics was a general comment for the whole thread. Not just for one side.
Following. I explained my point of view on the "hateful" comment. That I can totally understand why you wouldn't want to see it (half naked men). The part about pride parade I didn't feel like was worth responding to. Considering y'all see it as political, aren't I just following exactly what I said earlier? To not talk about politics.
The person I "called out" as you say. I was talking to since they tried saying a comment was meaningless. Nothing to do with political views.
And lastly. You've done nothing but try and slander me as an anti LGBTQ when you know literally nothing about me.

Attacking anyone that disagrees with you on anything will just create more vitriol in the long run. It's not like someone will change their mind simply cuz someone on a game forum called them out.

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Originally Posted by Zakuyia

You know I'm happy to have gender locked gear....Jesus I'm so tired of gender neutral gear it look hideous like thanks for literally making semi hood gear....shame it doesn't have 2b boots cheeks but tiss good.

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This is cosplay glamour, based off of a FF5 character, so there was never a world where it would have been unisex. This means the gender locking didn't give you the tights, but it did take them away from other players who wanted them.

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

Truth be told, I don't even know how to report posts on the forum.

Though I wouldn't be surprised if its as obtuse and unwieldy as reporting players in-game.

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The bottom left button with an exclamation point is how you report posts

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

Truth be told, I don't even know how to report posts on the forum.

Though I wouldn't be surprised if its as obtuse and unwieldy as reporting players in-game.
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Nah, I don't personally think bigots should be allowed to have opinions or "vote", especially when it impacts other people negatively. If they're going to act like crap, they ought to be flushed, not allowed to bob around stinking the place up.

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Nah, I don't personally think bigots should be allowed to have opinions or "vote", especially when it impacts other people negatively. If they're going to act like crap, they ought to be flushed, not allowed to bob around stinking the place up

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Not how a democracy works. And honestly a very ridiculous thing to say because in that case that goes both ways for the people of the opposite opinion. But go you, how stunning and brave ! Surely showing off how extreme you are on that topic is a great look.

If disagreement and discussion were really so bad, then there probably shouldn't be forums in the first place. If you bring political reasoning to the table, you invite comment on it-- whether that's against tos or not should be left to the mods, since more meta-conversation only derails the thread further.

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

Nah, I don't personally think bigots should be allowed to have opinions or "vote", especially when it impacts other people negatively. If they're going to act like crap, they ought to be flushed, not allowed to bob around stinking the place up.

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If you want people with a different fashion opinion than yours to be silenced - this would be an unreasonable aversion and bigotry. Going by what you desire in your comment - it would be goodbye to your freedom of opinion and voting.
(A truly awful and authoritarian desire).


Politics on a gaming forum, this is tiring.

Everyone is screaming and frothing at apparitions that do not exist, the thin slice of external reality and large cast shadow propaganda pushed by social media algorithms & their preferred news media outlet that they consume, are by default impossible to interpret with anything remotely equivalent to reality. And yet are further misinterpreted during the data correlation and seeking phase as they are often skipped entirely in people's eagerness to apply an emotion and reaction. An eagerness to confirm bias and for narcissism to be perceived as correct by those around them.

"My misinterpreted reality is more correct than yours"

Lets leave out politics. And just have gear unlocked so people can do what they want in the game. End of.

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Originally Posted by Zakuyia

You know I'm happy to have gender locked gear....Jesus I'm so tired of gender neutral gear it look hideous like thanks for literally making semi hood gear....shame it doesn't have 2b boots cheeks but tiss good.

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Good thing that's not what we're asking for. We just want to be able to wear both. Nothing else, just piece of clothing.

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Originally Posted by SophiaDL

Not how a democracy works. And honestly a very ridiculous thing to say because in that case that goes both ways for the people of the opposite opinion. But go you, how stunning and brave ! Surely showing off how extreme you are on that topic is a great look.

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If democracy leads to oppression and bigotry, dictates who I love and how I live in a way that effects me and people I care about, I will oppose Democracy.

Basic human rights need to be protected at all cost and should not be used as things to be voted on or debated on, It's extreme to think we can just vote away human rights in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Evermomo

This is cosplay glamour, based off of a FF5 character, so there was never a world where it would have been unisex. This means the gender locking didn't give you the tights, but it did take them away from other players who wanted them.

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That's really not my problem. I'm not here to play someone personalize ff14 game. Gender locked is nice for fashion reasons. Yet making tons of gender neutral gear leaves boring ideas. My personal take keep gender locked or make a button to toggle fashion between male female.

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

Good thing that's not what we're asking for. We just want to be able to wear both. Nothing else, just piece of clothing.

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No wonder fashion is boring I'm hoping occult gear is to your liking then it's gender neutral just the way you like it.

I came here to the Forums because I wanted to suggest the same thing. Some outfits came with a second gear swatch that was simply looking different (like the new bouncers gear). It would not be a problem to give an outfit two options, in this case one option being the pants and one the straps. It doesn't need to be one or the other, it can be both. Like having two cakes!

So Players themselves can decide which one they want to have. I have friends that play female characters that would love to have the male version sometimes, so it's not only a male PC problem.

Plus, I assumed that the whole graphic update was part to make things like this more viable/easier to code. I hope that it's true, and we might see with options added in the future.

((It would also make more money if both genders can have both outfits))

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Originally Posted by Rithy255

If democracy leads to oppression and bigotry, dictates who I love and how I live in a way that effects me and people I care about, I will oppose Democracy.

Basic human rights need to be protected at all cost and should not be used as things to be voted on or debated on, It's extreme to think we can just vote away human rights in my opinion.

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So in order to avoid the alleged oppression of your own community, you want to oppress a different community.

That honestly doesnt sound very healthy to me.

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Originally Posted by Zakuyia

No wonder fashion is boring I'm hoping occult gear is to your liking then it's gender neutral just the way you like it.

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Wooow that’s cool. Now can I wear both version on single character now?

Rhetoric aside, I shall repeat: I want players to have the choice to wear both variants (looking at you neo ishgardian set grrr…). If one keeps interpreting that request as “So you want 1 unisex gear!”, I honestly start to think misconstruing ideas eloquently to be a quality they’re specifically looking for when they hire whoever’s in charge of parsing players’ feedbacks.

EDIT: they can probably extend players’ stay in the content since now they have to grind for another set if that’s what they’re into. Hey! More reason to stay in the content!

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Originally Posted by SophiaDL

So in order to avoid the alleged oppression of your own community, you want to oppress a different community.

That honestly doesnt sound very healthy to me.

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I didn't even say that but you sure do love assuming.

My take is that Democracy is usually better then alternative of no one having a voice in a dictatorship, democracy is usually a good thing but it's not fool proof it's proven to be unreliable at always delivering positive.

The problem is that a lot of the population (a majority of them) have no investment in my rights or anyone elses who maybe LGBT, so the fact that we have so much misinformation and harmful opinions spreading, more so then ever that can lead to rights being taken away (and has done), yes I'd be against people voting upon basic things such as loving someone of the same gender or expressing yourself.

Is it oppression to be against peoples rights to vote against peoples freedoms? would it be correct to discriminate on people based on race, gender, orientation because 51% of the population agrees with that? I don't think that's "oppression" personally but I don't think you even know what oppression is you probably assume seeing a man in a pink cute outfit oppresses you, so I don't really think you understand half the things you talk about, you just want to seem cool and edgy most likely.

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Originally Posted by Zakuyia

That's really not my problem. I'm not here to play someone personalize ff14 game. Gender locked is nice for fashion reasons. Yet making tons of gender neutral gear leaves boring ideas. My personal take keep gender locked or make a button to toggle fashion between male female.

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Outside of dancer fashion we have been at some of the highest amount of gender neutral items in the game with Dawntrail. And excluding the Yuweyawata pants debacle, I think this has probably some of the best designed gear since Shadowbringers.

You don't need a gender lock to make fashion good. You need good designers to step up.

Not to mention, I know PLENTY of women playing female characters who want the less slutty options men get or the more dapper options.

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Originally Posted by Zakuyia

That's really not my problem. I'm not here to play someone personalize ff14 game. Gender locked is nice for fashion reasons. Yet making tons of gender neutral gear leaves boring ideas. My personal take keep gender locked or make a button to toggle fashion between male female.

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Over half of the gear items your character is wearing right now are not gender-locked. It's possible to make feminine glams and unlock them for all players. The 2b leggings are an example of this.

Toggles work by hiding or unhiding a portion of the model (like with hats and visors), so to do that, you would have to have an entire separate version of the costume constantly loaded. I think the most feasible thing to do is make feminine designs available to everyone from the start-- like they did with the rest of Lenna's set, with the chaotic gear, parts of the eden raids, crafted glams, and the previously mentioned national uniform of limsa.

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

I'm not talking about the people with "different fashion opinions" I'm talking about the ones who are outright attacking/insulting people who aren't straight or cis. (Who keep getting their posts deleted I might add, so clearly the mods don't like their tone or input either.)

I'm not obligated to tolerate their intolerance, and I'm not the bigot for telling homophobes/transphobes to STFU and GTFO because their opinions and voting are part of why my country (USA) continues to be such an embarrassing craphole.

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There's been a whole lot of intolerance from both sides in this thread (and the other similar one). Both heterophobia and homophobia, I agree none of it is ok (if people outright attack people personally for who they are, their comment should be removed as it's not about the forum topic).

No one should have to tolerate intolerance either, but wanting to outright silence people and remove their ability to vote, to circumvent democracy - would be the highest form of intolerance and a fast route to tyranny. It would be becoming what one claims they are fighting against. The great thing about free speech is everyone on this thread straight, gay, green, red, blue can be an A hole whether they want to or not, and whether they realize it or not. If they want to, others will probably point it out or ask why (or comment removed). And if someone doesn't realize they have offended someone, they can be made aware. I remember that US politician RFK Jr said his family would sit around the dinner table and with different political opinions; be able to find common ground by communicating.

Also I've never come across a single person (IRL) who has issue with who someone sleeps with or is attracted to.** Any grievances or concerns such people have often stem from their own ability to be left alone and to live peacefully, apparently without that being impeded upon. It's like a blame game of who is stepping on who's toes. **I'm not suggesting by the way that such people do not exist, they certainly will. I'm with you on that (and would defend you if someone bullied you for who you fancy). Just remember life is never so black and white as 'you' and 'them' or 'good' and 'bad', humans are too complex and with too many experiences to be categorized like this. The only people the idea of 'you' and 'them' benefits are nefarious governments and corporations.

Heterophobia! Be serious.

Indeed. The comments made by Sweet Baby Inc and Red Thread Studio employees about straight people involve harm and murder. If you have not witnessed something, this doesn't mean it does not exist.

When you've watched various ideological groups from the outside, you quickly realize all humans have the capacity to be awful. Especially the groups that believe they are beyond reproach - these are the most dangerous.

I pretty much only wear more traditional outfits for my sex (M) and would never run around in a dress or whatever. I don't personally think it looks good.

But I agree with OP - anyone can put on an article of clothing and people should be able to wear whatever they want, regardless of my own preferences.

I'm mostly offended the Lix top, which finally is an outfit that is new that I'd like given I enjoy more classical attire, removes my tail so I cannot use it. It had some nice details. Oh well, I'll stay shirtless.

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Originally Posted by Doomed_Raven

When you've watched various ideological groups from the outside, you quickly realize all humans have the capacity to be awful. Especially the groups that believe they are beyond reproach - these are the most dangerous.

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The difference between "heterophobia" is that you are the long standing majority, the "default" theirs no threat of actual oppression and your rights being took away because your hetrosexual, theirs no countries that have made being hetrosexual illegal.

I don't really want to debate if it actually exists I'm sure theirs some people who are against straight people (for whatever reason), but to put it on the same level as homophobia is wild to me.

The fact is also certain things should never be a vote for democracy, certain guard rails need to be put in place that protects people otherwise that said democracy can lead to bad outcomes which shouldn't be the result of a voting system, if 51%+ of the people voted for slavery to return it would be a outright bad outcome despite if it was done through democracy or not, there are cases where certain things need to be protected, this includes simple things such as being able to date the same gender ect. Some things shouldn't frankly be a "debate" and shouldn't be political in the first place.