Order of the Blue Garter: Open Recruitment Season

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

It's not the achievement, it's rubbing their alleged greatness in people's faces

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You have a point, I have always liked to rub my greatness in people's faces.

Open Recruitment Season, more like Open Season on Blue Gartr? Am I right? guys.... c'mon that was a decent joke. but in all seriousness, you all were very brave to seek recruits in General Discussion. this place is essentially Arkham Asylum.

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Originally Posted by Twentytwo

As I said before WE did not make that public. Someone outside our LS posted that persons app, it was not a member of BG by any means, so before you go point fingers and accusing us of not being classy, please read the thread of even at least the most recent page before you post.

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Fair enough, in this particular instance it was posted by somebody outside the LS, so I'll give you that. If the intention is not to have them viewed by the public, why have them viewable by anyone outside the LS to begin with? It seems like a system designed to be abused. It's not hard to lock down a section of a forum.

I'll also just reiterate what other posters have already said, fixing that intro page will go a long way towards improving first impressions of your LS. When I first started this game, I came across your LS site and was very much turned off by that intro page. You say in there that you guys want a relaxing atmosphere, but every single line after that indicates otherwise.

Competitive is fine, 'holier than thou' is not.

I'm not an officer so I'm going to refrain from addressing the negativity in the thread.

I just wanted to stop by and thank everyone who has applied so far. We've had some great applications in my opinion.

Also I appreciate all the good words from those people here who understand what BG is really about.

Everyone on Durandal - I'll see you in game.

Let's have some fun ô¿ô

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

Fair enough, in this particular instance it was posted by somebody outside the LS, so I'll give you that. If the intention is not to have them viewed by the public, why have them viewable by anyone outside the LS to begin with? It seems like a system designed to be abused. It's not hard to lock down a section of a forum.

I'll also just reiterate what other posters have already said, fixing that intro page will go a long way towards improving first impressions of your LS. When I first started this game, I came across your LS site and was very much turned off by that intro page. You say in there that you guys want a relaxing atmosphere, but every single line after that indicates otherwise.

Competitive is fine, 'holier than thou' is not.

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It's view able outside the LS so applicants can view and edit their apps once they've submitted them, it's a feature of Guildwork (the host for our website) that we do not control, so there's not much we can do about it. If people are ashamed or embarrassed by their apps then maybe they should work on them harder? It hasn't ever been a problem in the past 2 years.

You're right out "about us" page is outdated, so we'll take a look into it.

As far as "holier than thou" goes, it seems most of the community is very far off on this one, and I don't see the right to judge unless you've been around our shell or on our vent. Everyone gets along very well and 90% of the time we're joking and laughing about stupid stuff on vent, or talking about food...

I don't really think asking for intelligent, mature, English-speaking non-douchebags is all THAT demanding, or how any of those contradict having casual atmosphere.

(if you're talking about the about page on Guildwork, anyway)

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Originally Posted by Twentytwo

As I said before WE did not make that public. Someone outside our LS posted that persons app, it was not a member of BG by any means, so before you go point fingers and accusing us of not being classy, please read the thread of even at least the most recent page before you post.

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Going to assume you're talking to Molly because I quoted Rau and didn't mention BG in my post. Though this does beg the question of how he obtained a link to that application. I'd have to assume the application forum is public, which is just silly.

edit: Nevermind, answered above.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

It's not the achievement, it's rubbing their alleged greatness in people's faces and treating everyone that hasn't achieved as much as them as some sort of lower class of people. Fortunately, not everyone in the LS is like that, but the cases where it has happened stick out like a sore thumb. I do see a genuine interest by some to change that perception, but it's going to take a while (that about page has got to go, as I said- that's too far). They can do it if they really want to though, and I recognize a few people like the OP who aren't intending to rub things in, as it were.

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You never did CC!? *kicked*
You never did AV? *kicked*
You never did DH? *kicked*
You never did Ifrit, Garuda, Moogle!? *kicked*
How dare you be in a LS other than ours!? *kicked*
Not using add-ons and bots!? *kicked!* HOW DARE YOU FOLLOW SE's TERMS OF SERVICE!?

If they truly wanted a laid-back and relaxing atmosphere they wouldn't even make apps a requirement in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Yucie

If they truly wanted a laid-back and relaxing atmosphere they wouldn't even make apps a requirement in the first place.

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Even though I have nothing against them personally I remember viewing their app requirements once and it said you had to submit a video of your gameplay and gearsets -- whether that was joking or not it's very offputting for the 'layman' gamer who may be seeking an end-game shell.

It's worth noting that it's pointless to take applications from people on other servers at this time, because there is no indication of if or when they'll offer another server transfer.

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Originally Posted by AsterBarnivere

You never did CC!? *kicked*
You never did AV? *kicked*
You never did DH? *kicked*
You never did Ifrit, Garuda, Moogle!? *kicked*
How dare you be in a LS other than ours!? *kicked*

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An endgame shell not accepting people that never even tried doing endgame content?

Preposterous!

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

Even though I have nothing against them personally I remember viewing their app requirements once and it said you had to submit a video of your gameplay and gearsets -- whether that was joking or not it's very offputting for the 'layman' gamer who may be seeking an end-game shell.

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LOL. Really? I hope that's a bad joke.. or these people are really far too full of themselves.

In order to inspire a laid-back atmosphere, it should be an LS that is ready to take on new members, and prep those members for endgame in whatever ways they can. Applications are stupid, silly, and not necessary.

In XI, to apply to -any- shell, you pretty much needed an app which could include:
Job lists
Gear lists
Content you've done
Content you've never done
your best-geared job
idle, PDT, MDT, TP, WS sets, etc
list of merits
and all sorts of other stupid shit that was never really necessary to put on an app.
And if you lacked access to certain content.. well.. then good luck on getting access in the shell you're in. More often than not, you'd be left in the dust and you'd have to play catch-up on your own.

Applications are silly.

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Originally Posted by AdvancedWind

An endgame shell not accepting people that never even tried doing endgame content?

Preposterous!

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We're losing the primal battles as they are now, which is essentially half of the 'endgame' content we currently have.
Aside from that, the rest is mostly spammable dungeons that you speedrun, and none of them are quite enjoyable in any form.
As I stated previously, a shell looking for a laid-back atmosphere should be willing to accept people who've never done the content. In turn, you teach them, they hopefully get better, and your LS grows that much tighter together.

But no, lets restrict people from content they've never done.. so they can never do it! That's a ridiculous notion.

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Originally Posted by AdvancedWind

An endgame shell not accepting people that never even tried doing endgame content?

Preposterous!

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You're being sarcastic, but real endgame often proves nearly impossible to break into. If you haven't done it, nobody lets you do it. Therefore the endgame population is effectively capped to those who have "already done it."

I had this problem in WoW. I wanted to get into endgame so I started looking for guilds to join. I needed to do endgame to get better gear than what I had. Guess what though? Every guild sad "sorry your gear score isn't high enough." So I need to do endgame to get better gear, but I can't do endgame because I don't have better gear. (Yes, in WoW, gear has a point value and if you don't have a high enough score nobody will let you do anything. Yet it's impossible to score higher without doing the things they aren't letting you do. It's a massive catch-22.)
I eventually quit WoW because the only thing I could really do was PvP with randoms- and while I do like PvP, I'd rather do it with a group of people I'm familiar with. So not being able to enjoy 90% of the content in the game at the time, I quit.

More shells need to take a fair look at people who may not have done events before, but really want to.

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Originally Posted by Yucie

We're losing the primal battles as they are now, which is essentially half of the 'endgame' content we currently have.

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But there's going to be new primal battles and there's a pretty recent interview where they pretty much state that the strategies required to win are going to be pretty much the same (I guess that what they meant is that the actual fighting part will be more or less the same thing.). So, yeah, I don't see how that's an argument against requirement in any way.

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Originally Posted by Yucie

Aside from that, the rest is mostly spammable dungeons that you speedrun, and none of them are quite enjoyable in any form.

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if people don't like and or don't want to do the dungeons, and don't like / don't want to do the primals....then why would they apply to a linkshell dedicated to do that stuff?

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Originally Posted by Yucie

As I stated previously, a shell looking for a laid-back atmosphere should be willing to accept people who've never done the content. In turn, you teach them, they hopefully get better, and your LS grows that much tighter together.

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This is something I sort of agree. However, I believe that having minimal endgame experience is not such a weird requirement for an endgame shell, hence my previous post.

Also, being competitive and goal oriented doesn't mean the actual atmosphere inside the shell can't be pretty laid back or fun.

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Originally Posted by Yucie

But no, lets restrict people from content they've never done.. so they can never do it! That's a ridiculous notion.

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Content they could've done with friends, casual linkshells or other groups like PUGs* before applying for something that requires prior knowledge and experience on them?

*I understand that many PUGs reject people without prior experience, and that indeed sucks. But that's not really relevant for why a linkshell would do the same, it's a different thing.

Laid back and relaxed means different things to different people. Fun means different things for different people. For me laid back and relaxed means that we can do <17 minute speed runs, and all the endgame content while chatting in teamspeak and just generally bullshitting around with little to no issue, and even though I really am not all for defending BG I am sure they would probably agree with me here on this. If you are unwilling to put 20 minutes of time it would take to make a decent app to join an ls so they can get a feel to whether or not you will mesh with them then you are probably unwilling to put the time and effort into learning the mechanics of the fights well enough to where they can be committed to muscle memory and every run can go incredibly smooth. This saves both the applicant and the linkshell recieving the application alot of time because an app from someone who doesn't give a damn about what he puts on the app probably doesn't give a damn about joining the ls anyways.

TLDR you all are idiots, different strokes for different folks.

BG is entitled to whatever rules they put forward. They are one of the best LSs in the game, one of which that is generous enough to share their strategies so others are in liberty to follow (and most do to the letter). Even tools such as parser are shared and used by all servers.

Most of their members are polite and helpful (Zozor, Twenty) and as for posting in general forums, will, if you are not convinced of their reasoning, who gives a @#$#? We have ppl that spams forums with all sorts of nonsense with a sense of entitlement its sickening (just look at first page).

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Originally Posted by Yucie

We're losing the primal battles as they are now, which is essentially half of the 'endgame' content we currently have.
Aside from that, the rest is mostly spammable dungeons that you speedrun, and none of them are quite enjoyable in any form.
As I stated previously, a shell looking for a laid-back atmosphere should be willing to accept people who've never done the content. In turn, you teach them, they hopefully get better, and your LS grows that much tighter together.

But no, lets restrict people from content they've never done.. so they can never do it! That's a ridiculous notion.

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laid back atmosphere and end game shell are not mutually exclusive. Sure they have a tight application process, and they want competent players willing to go the extra step to get end game loots, that doesn't mean the LS atmosphere is all serious business.

Instead of talking shit (the jealousy is frighteningly obvious) if the shell is not the place for you then simply move on.

I've been in vent with other BG members running through new content countless times.

The core group of BG will be running through new content not just a few, but literally dozens if not a hundred or so times in a single sitting in order to get a world first. Once the content has been beaten it's broken down and perfected over hundreds and hundreds of more runs. This requires enormous amounts of time together as a team.

If the atmosphere during all that were not fun and laid back no one would be interested. We're all good friends. Many of us (including myself) have met other members outside of the game.

Again I'm not an officer, but I think this is what we mean by relaxed atmosphere. BG members take the gameplay very seriously because taking it seriously and having a strong group of players is part of what makes the atmosphere relaxed. Having one or two members holding the rest of the group back causes problems for the rest, which disrupts that relaxed atmosphere.

BG members are extremely selfless. We share everything. It's common for members to trade the most valuable items in the game to other players for nothing in return simply because we understand that the trade will improve our chances of a world first. If we were up tight about our gear or didn't consider our friends to be important this wouldn't be going on.

All of this adds up to what our members consider a fun and enjoyable gaming experience, which is what it's about in the end.

I had applied and turned out I wasn't a good fit. I actually enjoyed the application process even though I was very nervous. But they never were mean to me nor did they make me feel bad, even when they said they were going to reject my application.

So, I just went and played with another reforming endgame LS. Sure many of them are still learning the ropes of AV but in time I will get to clear all the content. I just wont be able to do it day one with BG and I can handle that.

BG has the right to be whatever kind of LS as they want to and accept and reject any applicants they want to. Sure a person here or there might be a jerk but if you don't like them don't play with them.

Also, they were so right about "Game of Thrones"!

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Originally Posted by Twentytwo

Rocl was at 14 launch, but he doesn't play much at all anymore.

Sonomaa was part of BG just as we were changing to WoW so he didn't keep too much in touch with us, not sure what he's up to.

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plz rez 100g

If someone actually cared about this; I obviously play on Durandal occasionally when time permits. (Holidays, vacation, etc) and afaik Sonomaa won't be back to XIV until 2.0 and they stop making Bard come from Archer or something.

& i'm not in bg and am a total gimp in xiv

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Originally Posted by Twentytwo

As far as "holier than thou" goes, it seems most of the community is very far off on this one, and I don't see the right to judge unless you've been around our shell or on our vent. Everyone gets along very well and 90% of the time we're joking and laughing about stupid stuff on vent, or talking about food...

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That's just the impression I got from the about us page. Since I'm not on your server, and didn't know of you guys in XI, that's all I have to go on. Actually now that I think about it, I just got out of a meeting at work where this topic came up. As far as first impressions go, you've got about 20 seconds on average to form a first impression with somebody, that 20 seconds will stick in their mind regardless what comes next. It's extremely difficult turn around a first impression, good or bad. So yeah, I'd fix that page sooner rather than later.

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Originally Posted by AsterBarnivere

You never did CC!? *kicked*
You never did AV? *kicked*
You never did DH? *kicked*
You never did Ifrit, Garuda, Moogle!? *kicked*
How dare you be in a LS other than ours!? *kicked*

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If you didnt do those things you would prolly be better off in a social shell, an endgame shell wont be interrested in ya.
and that is only fair cause the endgame shell been there done that already, they dun wanna start doin' it again for you dude.

I have a long list of requirements before I apply the LS'es. Unfortunately, BG still doesn't qualify. :(

Don't mind me, just bumping this thread so everybody can see this mess.

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Originally Posted by YuriSan

If you didnt do those things you would prolly be better off in a social shell.

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How can you do those without people who can/want to do it? Despite popular belief not every social shell out there is capable of doing 'end-game content' so you can gain experience. Normally you join an end-game shell to get said experience. This is the main problem with the XIV community -- so unwilling to just open up and help people do things.

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and that is only fair cause the endgame shell been there done that already, they dun wanna start doin' it again for you dude.

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Problem number 2 -- if you're not willing to help people beyond your own personal goals, there's a problem. Some social shells have some end-game members, but guess what the general #1 rule is for end-game shells?

"You can only use our shell for end-game activities"

So honestly, this is the wrong attitude to have with such a small playerbase, especially because the new people who join will immediately get shrugged off on doing content simply because they're new and have no experience -- You know what will kill ARR? The community, not SE, especially if this type of attitude continues. Yes you can prefer people with experience, but how do you think said people even get experience to begin with?

I can promise that when you first started XIV and these content released you were in the same shoes as those you're shrugging off.

Their apps didnt say require you to have beat any content, they do however wants to see how you gear yourself to see whether you have common sense or have the min-maxing attitude when it comes to playing this game, and dont come here with stats doesnt matter in this game bullshit.. If you want people to respect you, starts by respecting yourself and dont dress like a retard.

Nobody that have skills, gears up poorly because they know how the game works. Unlike, some people that justifies their terrible gear by saying skills are more important. Its true to an extent but you are most likely not as good as you think you are.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

I can promise that when you first started XIV and these content released you were in the same shoes as those you're shrugging off.

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Actually, Yuri and I got groups together and just went for it as far as early end-game went. There's no reason anyone that's not in an end-game shell couldn't do the same to gain experience needed to apply to an end-game shell. Clearly there are other folks in the same boat, those that have got a few 50s but not much end-game experience. Just shout in uldah or in your social LSes for a training run. There's probably even a few more experienced players that wouldn't mind helping out. It's not hard to gain the experience, and you don't NEED an end-game shell to do so, you might for speed runs, but just to learn the game/dungeon mechanics better? Certainly not.


I personally feel that the "experienced players only model" is bullshit, but it's not a catch 22 scenario either as some others seem to think. But what would I know? my shell is sort of a best of both type shell.

/goes and reapplies ;D!

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Originally Posted by Chardrizard

Their apps didnt say require you to have beat any content, they do however wants to see how you gear yourself to see whether you have common sense or have the min-maxing attitude when it comes to playing this game, and dont come here with stats doesnt matter in this game bullshit.. If you want people to respect you, starts by respecting yourself and dont dress like a retard.

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By "not dress like a retard" do you mean:

A. Having triple+ melds

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B. Wearing gear that doesn't benefit your current class/job?

That's quite the bracket of possibility of what that could mean, since dressing for your job is common sense, but when you ask for gearsets what are you specifically asking for? Anyone can get the appropriate gear, however what is the specific gearset that's being looked for?

It's more of like having common sense, for example a single meld INT hat on BLM is better than AF hat. Hence wearing AF hat = dressing like a retard. It's not entirely specific, but there is alternatives which is far better than AF hat and easily obtained, whats your excuse for keep wearing AF hat other than not knowing whats better for your class? It just screams "I dont know shit about my class"

Jesus how much flak can 1 shell take from simply posting a recruitment thread?

If you dont want to apply/join then dont... Why the need to badmouth another LS about how they wish to go about recruiting people?

BG is obviously not desperate for members so they are in a position to be extremely selective as far as recruitment goes. I feel half the playerbase hates them for some random reason then turns around and uses their strats to kill things...

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Originally Posted by Crimzon

Jesus how much flak can 1 shell take from simply posting a recruitment thread?

If you dont want to apply/join then dont... Why the need to badmouth another LS about how they wish to go about recruiting people?

BG is obviously not desperate for members so they are in a position to be extremely selective as far as recruitment goes. I feel half the playerbase hates them for some random reason then turns around and uses their strats to kill things...

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lol, if they didn't want the attention, they shouldn't have posted in general chat. We all know what threads turn into in here. In addition, the intro page on their website is just asking for this kind of response.

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Originally Posted by Rocl

plz rez 100g

If someone actually cared about this; I obviously play on Durandal occasionally when time permits. (Holidays, vacation, etc) and afaik Sonomaa won't be back to XIV until 2.0 and they stop making Bard come from Archer or something.

& i'm not in bg and am a total gimp in xiv

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*life

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Originally Posted by Churchill

*life

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you have struck me to my core, i shall never recover dear winston

"Order of The Blue Garter XIV was founded in October 2010 by the merging of two like-minded groups of players. Most notably are the members of the original FFXI/WoW OrderofTheBlueGartr from Bahamut and Azshara. We have members ranging from a multitude of FFXI linkshells including Machina, Apathy, Spike Flail, Excellence, and LimitBreak."

*eyeroll* yea were totally not affiliated with the notorious add-on using LS from Bahamut...

lol at so many people qq'ing about 3p apps or "add ons" hahahahaaha.

so much hurt.

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Originally Posted by Churchill

lol at so many people qq'ing about 3p apps or "add ons" hahahahaaha.

so much hurt.

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lolyou

and lolApathy

I have my E:Body and HNM gear ty :P