Even our content creators cannot pretend to like the trashy writings of Dawntrail.

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Originally Posted by Skyclaw726

Honest question becuase this is something I have never fully understood but why should the playerbase care that content creator likes/dislikes something about the game?

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Cause Dev take into consideration what popular streamer say about the game. While it far from being the only factor the take into consideration, it has bigger weight in decision making than like everyone united in this thread. That just how things work.

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Originally Posted by Asari5

meanwhile the streamer i watch is completely satisfied without any complains. and many of their watchers agree... i do not.

but there are people who fully enjoyed the dt story without any criticism

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So people with bias.... yeah i would give them 0 credibility.

Everything and i mean EVERYTHING has + and -
if its only ++++ and no - then the person is biased or a blind fan.

And no mater how you look at it this expansion is extremely weak and has serious Spacing issues in the story.

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Originally Posted by Magikazam

Cause Dev take into consideration what popular streamer say about the game. While it far from being the only factor the take into consideration, it has bigger weight in decision making than like everyone united in this thread. That just how things work.

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That's very sad.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

You don't understand the role of public figures in society and why people care about them at least on a superficial level? Wow you must be sheltered. That's not unique to any game even, its a staple of humanity in general.

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You're trying to equate a game content creator to important public figures in society when most people simply will not see them that way.

There are more important things in people's lives than watching someone stream a game.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

You're trying to equate a game content creator to important public figures in society when most people simply will not see them that way.

There are more important things in people's lives than watching someone stream a game.

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Obviously she's talking about it in relation to the game. This really isn't hard to understand. Content creators have louder voices than the majority of players, and the devs have shown that they actively listen to them more. This is why people care about content creators' opinions.

Of course you don't have to care, it's just a game after all, but people asking "Why should I as a player care about someone with more tangible influence on the game's development voicing their opinions?" is just... Well it should be obvious.

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Originally Posted by SirShady

Obviously she's talking about it in relation to the game. This really isn't hard to understand. Content creators have louder voices than the majority of players, and the devs have shown that they actively listen to them more. This is why people care about content creators' opinions.

Of course you don't have to care, it's just a game after all, but people asking "Why should I as a player care about someone with more tangible influence on the game's development voicing their opinions?" is just... Well it should be obvious.

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Why should they have more influence on the games development though? Why aren't they treated as a single voice like the rest of us? It's very sad to me.

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Originally Posted by Skyclaw726

Why should they have more influence on the games development though? Why aren't they treated as a single voice like the rest of us? It's very sad to me.

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Because they have more influence on the game's playerbase. They speak for the portion of the playerbase that agrees with them, not just themselves. Plus in order to become a content creator you have to immerse yourself in the game, its story, its gameplay, and its systems. When playing the game becomes your job, you're going to be more outspoken, more influential, and usually more detailed and specific with your criticism.

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Originally Posted by SirShady

Because they have more influence on the game's playerbase. They speak for the portion of the playerbase that agrees with them, not just themselves. Plus in order to become a content creator you have to immerse yourself in the game, its story, its gameplay, and its systems. When playing the game becomes your job, you're going to be more outspoken, more influential, and usually more detailed and specific with your criticism.

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I can certainly understand it now. It's still quite upsetting to me. Makes it seem like my voice doesn't matter or the voices of others that don't follow the creators, or even the creators fans that have a differing opinion.

I'm reminded why I stay away from the forums.

At the end of the day this is a business and SE wants more money. Content creators bring or repel money to a product so a company will use and listen to them. It’s why they do a Media Tour a few weeks before expansion releases and invite content creators there to experience and then spread their info and opinion of the slice of game they got to play. But that is the simple explanation and the rule of business, it’s sad but true.

Maybe an unpopular opinion I think they should hire the writers behind FFXVI. Though it still ends with the power of friendship like most FF do, it at least had mature levels of writing for majority of the game. Dawntrail is at the 4kids anime levels of writing at its current stage.

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Originally Posted by Skyclaw726

I can certainly understand it now. It's still quite upsetting to me. Makes it seem like my voice doesn't matter or the voices of others that don't follow the creators, or even the creators fans that have a differing opinion.

I'm reminded why I stay away from the forums.

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Well, I'm sorry to say this, but that's just the reality we live in today. I mean..it's not just FFXIV. You just gotta look at Instagram for example. Influencers are taking over.
There are still a few people that see this critically but many just get...well...influenced and blindly consume the content they want to sell or adapt their worldviews as their own.

Tbh I think it's pretty sad too, but I don't know if this kind of development can even be stopped anymore.
It's been going on for far too long now.

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Originally Posted by LucienFaust

Maybe an unpopular opinion I think they should hire the writers behind FFXVI. Though it still ends with the power of friendship like most FF do, it at least had mature levels of writing for majority of the game. Dawntrail is at the 4kids anime levels of writing at its current stage.

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That's funny, because the main writer behind FFXVI was responsible for Heavensward. From what I understand, a lot of the XVI team worked on XIV before...
Honestly, I just want Natsuko Ishikawa back. Wouldn't be surprised if they did the same with her and now have her busy with a future single-player FF title.

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Originally Posted by Skyclaw726

I can certainly understand it now. It's still quite upsetting to me. Makes it seem like my voice doesn't matter or the voices of others that don't follow the creators, or even the creators fans that have a differing opinion.

I'm reminded why I stay away from the forums.

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I don't think they just blindly see the reaction of the creator as a single person and leave it at that. The MAIN reason they follow creators, is because there are many people watching them and commenting around them - I did remember them saying they also take a look at comments from these types of opinion videos they post. Usually creators have a huge following because their opinion resonates with others - and if it doesn't, then it's sure to get a reaction of people going against it. It's not as bad as it seems.
And I've also seen many of the devs comment in fanfest and other events that they read reddit, and they at least *say* the forums matter, so even though I don't think they'd be reading every single post here, if it's an opinion shared by a lot of people, be it from forums or influencers, it most likely will get to them somehow.

That's what I want to believe, anyway...

"Content Creators".

Content Vampires is nearer the mark. Square Enix is the studio that created the content. These chucklefucks are barely personalities providing commentary. I can't believe this is what media has become.

But then again, I'm a crotchety old lady, I suppose.

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Originally Posted by chizLemons

That's funny, because the main writer behind FFXVI was responsible for Heavensward. From what I understand, a lot of the XVI team worked on XIV before...
Honestly, I just want Natsuko Ishikawa back. Wouldn't be surprised if they did the same with her and now have her busy with a future single-player FF title.

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Yeah I'd love to have either back; they had different styles, but I liked both very much in their different ways, and it's what kept me with the game before.
Funny now to think back on when I got into FF14; I gave it a chance cause I wanted to replace my last main MMO cause its writing quality had nosedived and I wanted something I could care about again, ironically enough. Cause that's important to me if I'll be spending a lot of time in the world. ARR was nice enough, the end of the ARR patches told me this one was different and should get a longer chance, and Heavensward was what made me fall in love with it for real. Stormblood was nice with some highlights, Shadowbringers and Endwalker great again in different ways.
And now here we are, and I'm looking elsewhere again.

So if they brought back either of my favourite veterans in an emergency decree, I'd like that, and now would be the right time to announce it.

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Originally Posted by Dranni

Zepla is hardly alone in her criticism of the story, with the most recent example being Preach also calling the nonsense out as he plays through the MSQ:

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2193053068?t=1h45m1s

It's hard to disagree with either of them tbh.

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lol just look at chat during that LMFAO

they seriously cannot handle people not liking this 4-year-old cartoon storyline

FF14 cultists are a special breed

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2194738757?t=3h23m37s


Not even Yoshi's favorite streamer, Preach, can defend Wuk Lamat's VA any longer.

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Originally Posted by Creampi

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2194738757?t=3h23m37s


Not even Yoshi's favorite streamer, Preach, can defend Wuk Lamat's VA any longer.

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Real talk . . . I've played with JP voices since HW and haven't heard Wuk Lamat's english voice short of the DT cinematic and yikes . . . I see why people dislike the english VA. It's all over the place and very inconsistent with the accent. Not saying this is the fault of the VA per-say (could be bad direction) but yeah that's pretty damn bad.

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Originally Posted by Creampi

Zepla:

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2192405696?t=6h49m14s

https://imgur.com/a/1XYpgyo

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Content "creators" exist off of content that has already created, and gain notoriety from claiming, in a nutshell, that it was done wrong and that they could do it better.

I'll take a review, not paid advertisement for their opinion.

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Originally Posted by Drkdays

Content "creators" exist off of content that has already created, and gain notoriety from claiming, in a nutshell, that it was done wrong and that they could do it better.

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Content creators don't usually have the incentive to shit in their own beds, especially creators who focus majorly on one game. They want to enjoy the game and they do want the game to succeed. Case in point - Zepla was one of the most positive streamers up until EW MSQ, praising FFXIV left and right.

Then EW post-MSQ happened. Then DT MSQ happened.

It's become really challenging to stay positive.

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Originally Posted by Raim

Funny how people here say "They're not one of us" the moment a person finally criticizes XIV even if they played it since ARR. You guys aren't beating the cultist allegations.

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She isn't one of us when she became a TERF apologist

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Originally Posted by A_moth_called_rose

She isn't one of us when she became a TERF apologist

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No such thing has happened.

Low-quality bait.

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Originally Posted by Creampi

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2194738757?t=3h23m37s


Not even Yoshi's favorite streamer, Preach, can defend Wuk Lamat's VA any longer.

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Honestly, even if the voice acting was good, there was no saving this scene. I have no idea wtf they were thinking with this scene. She legit says nothing we haven't already heard. This was definitely supposed to be a "character realizes something and grows" sort of moment but what the hell does she realize?

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Originally Posted by Garolymar

I have no idea wtf they were thinking with this scene. She legit says nothing we haven't already heard. This was definitely supposed to be a "character realizes something and grows" sort of moment but what the hell does she realize?

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Assuming this question is in good faith, Wuk Lamat comes to understand what "peace" means to her in this scene. She was insecure about the vapidity of her inherited "love for peace" when her siblings so blatantly exhibit the qualities of strength and logic of Gulool Ja Ja. Whereas before she didn't see it as anything more than "the absence of war," in this scene she realizes that what makes her embody GJJ's love for peace is her appreciation of the different cultures of Tural and her desire to see the day-to-day moments of joy with the people she cares about.

Basically, she defines the "peace" she's been fighting for and now has a much more tangible goal in mind, strengthening her resolve.

Maybe that heart-to-heart scene would worked better if it was presented in a better way? That felt so godawful cringe and when Wuk shouted, I just facepalm and can only sigh in dissapointment at what I am watching

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Originally Posted by fioravictorine

Maybe that heart-to-heart scene would worked better if it was presented in a better way? That felt so godawful cringe and when Wuk shouted, I just facepalm and can only sigh in dissapointment at what I am watching

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I think this is true with a lot of the writing in this expansion. There is a good outline and a lot of good ideas, but execution kept falling flat with the actual writing.

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Originally Posted by Priddy

Assuming this question is in good faith, Wuk Lamat comes to understand what "peace" means to her in this scene. She was insecure about the vapidity of her inherited "love for peace" when her siblings so blatantly exhibit the qualities of strength and logic of Gulool Ja Ja. Whereas before she didn't see it as anything more than "the absence of war," in this scene she realizes that what makes her embody GJJ's love for peace is her appreciation of the different cultures of Tural and her desire to see the day-to-day moments of joy with the people she cares about.

Basically, she defines the "peace" she's been fighting for and now has a much more tangible goal in mind, strengthening her resolve.

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That is an interesting way to look at it. Maybe if Wuk had questioned herself more in previous quests or in general was a more serious character I would've came to a similar conclusion, but it honestly feels like to me that her ideology was just restated louder in this scene once again as if it was the first time we were hearing it. Obviously what I'm about to say is with hindsight and recollection but I feel like we already knew at this point why Wuk wants the thrown what her idea of peace was and that this moment wasn't really a revelation it was just a very cheesy moment that kinda came out of nowhere.

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Originally Posted by Priddy

Assuming this question is in good faith, Wuk Lamat comes to understand what "peace" means to her in this scene. She was insecure about the vapidity of her inherited "love for peace" when her siblings so blatantly exhibit the qualities of strength and logic of Gulool Ja Ja. Whereas before she didn't see it as anything more than "the absence of war," in this scene she realizes that what makes her embody GJJ's love for peace is her appreciation of the different cultures of Tural and her desire to see the day-to-day moments of joy with the people she cares about.

Basically, she defines the "peace" she's been fighting for and now has a much more tangible goal in mind, strengthening her resolve.

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The idea is great, but the execution is terrible, and that seems to be a huge problem and a recurring pattern in the story so far. Hanuhanu story. Goldsmith story. This Wuk Lamat bit. And this is just the first two zones.

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Originally Posted by Kaecilius

I think this is true with a lot of the writing in this expansion. There is a good outline and a lot of good ideas, but execution kept falling flat with the actual writing.

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Yeah Ishikawa was there for the execution in the previous two expansions

This time she just oversees from the top and approve probably. Good ideas, horrible horrible execution

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Originally Posted by fioravictorine

Maybe that heart-to-heart scene would worked better if it was presented in a better way? That felt so godawful cringe and when Wuk shouted, I just facepalm and can only sigh in dissapointment at what I am watching

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You'll get no arguments from me. The shouting was cringe.

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Originally Posted by Creampi

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2194738757?t=3h23m37s


Not even Yoshi's favorite streamer, Preach, can defend Wuk Lamat's VA any longer.

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Holy shit, is it really this bad? I'm still on post-Stormblood so I haven't seen any of it for myself yet. What's the next expansion going to be like? All jobs lose their weapons and we defeat the big bad by explaining to him why he's being mean and should be nice instead? Now let's all hold hands and sing 'we shall overcome'.

Trash writing doesn’t bother me. It’s the gameplay that puts me to sleep. So far I’ve went there, killed that, clicked on shinny objects and waited in areas. So disappointing.

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Originally Posted by Garolymar

Honestly, even if the voice acting was good, there was no saving this scene. I have no idea wtf they were thinking with this scene. She legit says nothing we haven't already heard. This was definitely supposed to be a "character realizes something and grows" sort of moment but what the hell does she realize?

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Yeah, it's like 3-4 layers of mess up going on here.

1. The writing
2. Voice Directing
3. Post-prod sound (maybe, more of an issue during fights)
4. Voice acting

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Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank

Yeah, it's like 3-4 layers of mess up going on here.

1. The writing
2. Voice Directing
3. Post-prod sound (maybe, more of an issue during fights)
4. Voice acting

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I'd reorganize that list 1>4>2>3, to be honest. That much becomes evident when comparing certain new characters to voices we've heard before.

I don't think that was an ordered list, but I would place a lot of the blame at the voice direction.

Even voices we've had for a long time had weird deliveries a lot of the time, as if they had no idea what the context for the line was.

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Originally Posted by koko-on-da-forumz

I don't think that was an ordered list, but I would place a lot of the blame at the voice direction.

Even voices we've had for a long time had weird deliveries a lot of the time, as if they had no idea what the context for the line was.

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I read a comment on Reddit I actually agree with.
This whole expansion story seems like they were not even interested in doing it.
It’s like they are doing FF17 and the B team got DT to play with. It sells anyway because of the EW hype.

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Originally Posted by koko-on-da-forumz

I don't think that was an ordered list, but I would place a lot of the blame at the voice direction.

Even voices we've had for a long time had weird deliveries a lot of the time, as if they had no idea what the context for the line was.

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That's how a lot of voice acting works. The voice actors don't see the scene, but just get the lines, most of the time even with zero context.

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Originally Posted by Voidmage

I read a comment on Reddit I actually agree with.
This whole expansion story seems like they were not even interested in doing it.
It’s like they are doing FF17 and the B team got DT to play with. It sells anyway because of the EW hype.

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As far as I recall, they mentioned that from 6.1 onward, the entirety of Dawntrail was penned by young interns. It was a collaborative effort to inject new talent into the team, prepare to pass the torch as the veteran members age, and appeal to a younger audience simultaneously.

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Originally Posted by koko-on-da-forumz

I don't think that was an ordered list, but I would place a lot of the blame at the voice direction.

Even voices we've had for a long time had weird deliveries a lot of the time, as if they had no idea what the context for the line was.

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The EN voice does make it worse, but as someone that always plays the game with JP audio - and the JP voice acting is always great quality, even in Dawntrail - the scene is still bad. It feels pointless and is embarassing to watch. I don't think the reaction would change much, the writing is more to blame than anything.

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Originally Posted by Creampi

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2194738757?t=3h23m37s


Not even Yoshi's favorite streamer, Preach, can defend Wuk Lamat's VA any longer.

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You linked an 11hr plus stream. What timestamp should we be looking at? Can't sit and scroll atm q.q